>> our country will never be the same. that is the sentiment throughout france today. it is like france's version of mad magazine. a far left publication that regularly satirizes organized religions of the world. today, that newspaper and the world have been darkened by the terror attacks that killed a dozen people. he hope and suspect the paper's commitment to freedom of speech is stronger than ever. the weekly publication is 45 years old. it has a circulation of 30,000. some of the paper cartoons have

provoked muslims. in 2011 the paper joked -- the next week a cartoon with mohammed making out with one of the paper's cartoonists. >> after the shooting the attackers drove away. police say they found the abandoned car a mile and a half north of the office. french media later reported police were searching for the attackers 100 miles east of paris. we will report the latest as the news comes in. the attack is part of international terror. the cartoons for a danish newspaper got death threats after ridiculing mohammed. some believe the attack in benghazi, which stirs controversy more than two years later, was likely prompted in part by the american made film

"the innocence of muslims." >> some reports that the assailants have been captured or identified. let's bring in our reporter in paris to piece things together. at this hour, what do we know about the identity or the whereabouts of the suspects? >> at the moment the french interior ministry is still not confirming whether the three suspects have been arrested. according to the liberation newspaper, the liberation newspaper was saying earlier the suspects had been arrested. they published the names of these possible three suspects. two of them are brothers from french algerian descent.

one of them is an 18-year-old homeless man in paris. at the moment there is not 100% confirmation they have been arrested but apparently the police have identified and localized them. >> obviously this is a shocking thing. nothing like this has happened in the country before. talk about what it is like now that the country has reacted. >> pretty much the whole day around the headquarters at the scene of the shooting, the area was locked down by the police. at around 6 p.m., about four hours ago, people started to head to the republic square in a massive silence march, one of the biggest gatherings we have seen in paris for a long time. more than 10,000 people paying

tribute to the journalists who were killed. there was a very emotional moment at some point where thousands of people pointed their pens and press cards toward the sky to show their support for the freedom of speech. in these attacks, the thing that has been attacked is the freedom of speech from this satirical newspaper, that has been pretty controversial and pretty free in publishing some cartoons making fun of not only of islamists extreme islam, but also making fun of the pope, making fun of the president. the french president tonight has said we need to show unity national unity. it will be a national day of mourning tomorrow to show unity of the country against these attacks. >> there is obviously sadness today.

how much will this invoke division between different groups in the country? >> there was a lot of anger. there already was a lot of anger around christmas when we already had two smaller attacks in france. there were some attacks in a christmas market where some terrorists drove into a crowd, shouting "allahu akbahr." this will fuel more anti-islam feeling in france. 5 million people and most important is for the government to not mix these peaceful messages in france with these

terrorists. >> thank you so much. to me this is not a normal terrorist attack, because it is an attack on journalism. we assume the premise was punishment for speaking out in satire. >> if you place this in the context, it is not normal. on the other hand in the past 12 months we have seen a number of journalists beheaded in the middle east, not in europe obviously. it is the most dangerous time in the world to be a journalist, a satirist, or a cartoonist. or whether you are a foreign correspondent or writer covering the middle east. we don't know what their ties are, to isis for any other group.

the fear that many people have is that there have been a lot of french -- french government has announced 1000 french have gone to syria. if it turns out they are affiliated with the conflict in middle east, it will be a big story about the projection of that kind of terror outside of the region. >> the other thing i want to learn more is about how much security they had. part of what freaks everyone out about this is the notion it could happen to you, it could happen in your office. the reports of a security guard -- i want to know how those guys got into the building. whether they were impeded in anyway. they seem to have walked in relatively easy. it is a big question, how much do you harden every office building? >> we want to talk about the

broader implications. we had a conversation with a former counterterrorism coordinator in the state department under secretary hillary clinton. there are still a lot of unanswered questions about this attack. let's start with you trying to give us some sort of historical context for how this -- this continuum of behavior, the things we have seen in europe previously. >> there is a lot we don't know. france has been extremely fortunate but also very aggressive in its police work and intelligence. it hasn't had a serious terrorist attack in more than two decades. the fact this has happened now is obviously a pretty remarkable event. we have seen around the world, not just in europe, a rising

incidence of attacks by self-starters, by homegrown extremists who want to act out because primarily of the success of isis in iraq and syria. at the same time we don't know if that is the link here, if they are self-starters. they certainly seem proficient with weapons, which would make you think they are not health starters. there was one report that suggested they may have to do with al qaeda in yemen. there are a huge number of question marks right now. it is certainly a period of high tension with concern of returning fighters. there is too much we don't know. >> based on what we do know, in france and in the united states, what is the appropriate government response not to deal with these particular terrorists, but with an overall threat of targets and policy? >> there are two tracks that need to be pursued. one is with the intelligence and law enforcement effort to

apprehend the killers themselves. and find out where they came from, who they are connected with, where the hole in our home land security systems might be particularly in france and in the larger group in europe. the other thing that is absolutely essential is to not let this get out of hand. in europe there is a tremendous amount of anti-immigration sentiment. it has been all over the newspapers. marches in dresden anti-immigration sentiment in the u.k. highlighted by the new party. there is an awful lot of the same in france. the danger here is we see ever

greater confrontations provocations, and the like. that is a very difficult thing for the authorities to manage. they really need to speak calmly and clearly to the public about this and recognize that whoever did this, they represent a small minority in the muslim community in france, which is the largest in europe. >> you have been inside the u.s. government in dealing with these issues in the past. >> the most pressing question is where are they? the second is what is the phenomenon we are looking at? is this someone who infiltrated from yemen? is this someone who came from the depressed suburbs of paris? is there a relationship with isis? we used to hear about the chorus on cell, which was the target of some of the first bombing attacks in syria.

it is absolutely essential that there is some kind of assessment of where this is coming from. that is the essence of counterterrorism, ensuring you can run the first attack to ground so that you can put aside the fear of a follow-up attack. >> when you say the french are aggressive in dealing with this, what are the hallmarks of that? >> i think it is fair to say that many french officials would be quite frank that they are not as assiduous about observing civil liberties as their neighbors in the united kingdom, as their neighbors in germany, and also as in the u.s.. their police enjoy plenty of latitude to go into communities and be pretty forthright with tracking down people, and harassing people in some cases

but certainly making themselves known to people who may be showing some radical tendencies. a very aggressive surveillance and the like. this has contributed to their success over many years and certainly throughout the period we have been dealing with jihadist violence. >> thank you so much for being here with us today. that was dan benjamin, former state department counterterrorism coordinator. the ap is now reporting that french police officials have identified two suspects as french brothers in their early 30's. we will have more in just a minute and we will be joined by former presidential candidate rick santorum here in the studio. we will be right back. ♪

>> a few presidential candidates have made statements about the attack in paris tonight. senator rick santorum, thank you

for being here. do we know what the global implications are? what we do know what happened in paris? >> this is an example of the reinforcement -- whether it is al qaeda or isis or a lone wolf, whatever it is this is a continuing struggle. it is a battle that has certainly not subsided. if you look at what is going on in the middle east -- now it is not subsiding in its projection into the west. >> there is a bounds between free speech and islamic extremism -- >> part of the western values of free speech. >> news organizations have not been showing cartoons.

would you urge bloomberg and others to show the cartoons or not? >> you can either be intimidated by this violence or stand up to it. do you make yourself open to that same kind of thing? yes. but it is pay me later. >> would you post them on your website? >> we don't generally post things on our website. >> if you want to stand for freedom, stand for freedom of expression, why not -- i'm not urging you to do it, i'm saying hypothetically anybody can publish. >> i would say that media outlets have responsibility to publish relevant materials and not be intimidated by acts like this or other threats to not do so. >> if it turns out this is connected to a terrorist group whether it is al qaeda or isis operating in the middle east, if it turns out there is some connection there and some thought there might be true, this seems to be another stage

of a rapidly destabilizing situation. it seems like a few years ago the war on terror might have been won. >> it is connected. do we know if there is a formal connection or not? no. but it is clearly connected. what you see from isis is calls for people across the world to rise up and do things like we saw here today. whether it is a direct connection, whether you can find some sort of e-mail or text, is almost sort of -- it is important, don't get me wrong. but it is irrelevant to the understanding that this is part of the global jihad that isis, al qaeda, muslim brotherhood and others are calling on. we have an obligation to confront that. i think in a much more serious fashion than some have been calling for. >> two things happened after

9/11, targets were hardened -- the other was the balance between national security and civil liberties. do we need more hardening of targets, and do we need, as they do in france, more aggressive policing and intelligence gathering domestically? >> my feeling is that it is a combination of three things. the hardening of targets is the most expensive for society. the two most effective are as you mentioned, having an adequate intelligence capability to find out what type of activity is brewing in your community, and that includes everything from all this high-tech intelligence to simply just good work and understanding who is preaching what? if there is someone preaching violence, if there is someone preaching this type of activity,

i believe in freedom of religion. you will find no one stronger believing in freedom of religion. freedom of religion has limits. we need to have that information and we need to act on that information. again, concerns as to whether we are doing that. and finally, we have to go out to where the breeding ground is, and isis is an example. we have to destroy it where it is. i think the president has not taken the battle to isis very seriously. if you look at the number of strikes that are occurring to try to defeat isis, it is a drip, not an effort, to really defeat the enemy. i think that sent another message that we are not serious about confronting this problem. >> we will be back in just one minute to talk more with rick santorum right after the break. ♪

>> back with rick santorum, talking about stuff besides the news of the day. you had three groups with you the last time you ran for president. i want to know where they stand now. the iowans who voted for you in the caucuses, your small dollar donors, and your family. >> family, we are still working through that process. it is always how the family is doing at the time. when you have seven kids you have a lot of issues to deal with. that is one of the things we are working through right now. we have an organization called patriot voices. in the last year we had 65,000 donors. we still have some small donors, people who really responded to the message of what the campaign was all about, trying to help those folks in the middle of

america who are struggling. really doing some thing to revitalize the core, the center of america economically. that is what the campaign was about last time. it resonated with people. i think it resonates in iowa and i'm going to be in iowa five days this month. i will be going around and doing several county dinners, townhall meetings. trying to stay away from the buffet. we will get out there and talk to folks and see whether that message -- it is all about message. people say, you were the last man standing. why? because we had a message that resonated with people. >> i think you would acknowledge, you just talked about the economic message and you've talked about that a lot since 2012. there were a lot of your social

conservatives who would define you in a lot of ways. how do you keep that from happening if you decided to run? >> the reason i let myself get dragged away in many respects is because that was something -- i was an unknown. i came sort of out of the blue. i had to tell people who i was across the board. i don't think anybody had any questions now on the issues that got brought up over and over again in the campaign. i think everybody knows where i am. i haven't changed my positions. but there are issues in america that unite us. one of the things i am excited about and looking at a campaign in 2016 is having a message that not only unites republicans that can also bring democrats along. not just during the campaign but more importantly as we see the division in washington afterwards, to see we can have

an economic program or a program for america to make america strong again that can get bipartisan support. that to me is -- when people ask about what gets you energized to run. that gives me energy. >> as you ponder whether to run -- as you ponder it we would love to have you back and talk about stuff on a slower newsday. particularly on a day when we can talk about economic revitalization. >> the first thing you have to say is, please express my sympathy to the people of france and the families and the survivors. we stand with you in solidarity. >> thank you so much. we will be right back. ♪

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>> this is what i'm taking stock of today on january 7, 2015. the world grieves today after 12 people were shot to death at paris headquarters of the satirical magazine charlie hebdo. some outlets have identified three men as suspects in the attacks. french officials have denied reports of an arrest. leaders from around the world reacted to the shootings. >> this house and this country stands united with the french