>> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." >> julianne moore is always disappeared into but never more so than in her new film.

she plays a linguistic professor confronted with early onset alzheimer's disease. "validity" magazine writes that "moore publishes a powerful performance." here is the trailer for "still alice." >> i hope to convince you that by observing these baby steps -- >> i went for a run. >> you want dinner plans -- blue our dinner plans. >> i need to talk to you. >> what is going on? >> is he going to break up? >> have alzheimer's disease. early-onset.

i can see the words hanging in front of me and i cannot reach them and i do not know who i am. millennium, controlled. -- hedgehog. you cannot use your situation to get me to do everything. >> why can't i? >> because it's not fair. >> on your mother. -- i am your mother. >> have to try not going to go crazy. >> please do not say that. >> i am not suffering. i am struggling. struggling to be a part of things. tuesday corrected -- to stay connected to once was. the moment is all i can do.

live in the moment. >> i spoke with julianne moore earlier this year in new york. there is that conversation. there is a lot of buzz about this film. you want to toronto with the film and there was no distributor and now there is a distributor because there was a sense that this was a special. >> thank you. >> and it was the right actress at the right time. >> we felt so fortunate. you never know what is going to happen. we had a 4:30 screening on a monday, not auspicious for screening times. you go hoping people will see the movie and respond to it and afterwards as we went to the audience: we felt like we had a chanc. >> tell me about the film.

>> the character's name is alice, and she is a professor of linguistics at columbia university and has been married since she was quite young, in her 20's, and has three children, and children when she was young as well. she starts noticing little slips in her memory and does not mention it to her husband or anyone and gradually begins to realize something is going on. she goes to a neurologist and is diagnosed with alzheimer's disease. >> and that means what? >> when you're diagnosed with all divers under the age of 65 -- all drivers under the age of 65, that is -- alzheimer's under the age of 65, that is early onset. she is completely compromised at

that point in her life, she has to quit her teaching position and spend time with her husband. she is an target of decline pretty rapidly -- even called the decline pretty rapidly. >> so there is a character are. >> lori central salt is, who are we -- essential self is. >> what do i do when i cannot do the things i do? >> how does she cope, she presented herself, however she -- how does she present herself. >> when i was a little girl in second grade, my teachers only that butterflies do not live a long time and i was so upset. and my mother told me, they have a nice life. have a really beautiful life.

>> how did you prepare? >> it was extensive. i was so struck by the generosity of everyone i spoke to. i spoke to the alzheimer's association who put me in touch with women that start with. -- i skyped with . one was a woman that was 45 and she was one of my primaries. >> diagnosed at 45? >> 45 you. eah. then i went to mount sinai and i took the memory test. my results normal, thankfully. then i went to the new york summers association and spoke with women that were alzheimer's association and with women that were unbelievably.

unbelievably helpful. >>talked a lot about the isolation difficult it was to find someone who understands what is happening. the feeling that people do not know who they were because they did not understand how to communicate. there was one woman who said she was so defined by her ability was language and her intellect that once it was donny was difficult for her to speak to people when they do not treat her as someone that possessed the intellect. what i came away with was how hard people worked to communicate and to maintain the women were not these sense of fading away. people do not fade away, they continue to move forward. >> the terrible moments for people with alzheimer's cannot

recognize even a child. friends of mine said it is the moments of their lives. the worst moments of their lives. -- worst moments of their lives. >> is not so much about memory loss. there is a different kind of neurological reaction. people have issues, the men understand that -- apaspacial issues, they do not understand our doorknob turns. >> your husband said you empathy. >> that is what is great about acting, it forces you to yourself in someone else's shoes. what do i understand that this other person understands?

how do i enter into that life and try to understand that? i went to a long-term care facility and i was sitting at circle and a window was open and a woman turned around and said you better get out of that draft. i said that i am ok and she moved. i ran into her daughter and i was telling her and she said that is my mom, always worrying about other people. it was interesting to see how much she was still herself . >> the film is a call to action. you understand what it is like to live with alzheimer's. at the same time, one of the executive producers maria. >> she has ported bit of experience with alzheimer's interest -- want a bit of experience with alzheimer's in her family. >> also women's home: -- and

this film, alec baldwin. i am told it was your idea. >> it was my idea. i worked with him on "30 rock," and i love them. -- loved him. these are, don't do have a drama, and i said i was will report -- you would not do the part. presented to him and he said he would do it. the researchers you passion for life, so much vitality -- he has such a passion for life, so much vitality and masculinity. in a real marriage, they tried to hold onto that and deal with

that. is what he does. -- i think it is beautiful what you does. >> why did you become an actress? >> because i love to read. >> that led you to acting? >> i love reading because i like stories about people feeling of being inside the. that transformative thing that literature goes. when i -- does. when i started acting, when it is the best, you feel like you are inside a book. you are telling stories about who we are as human beings and what we can accomplish and how we can help each other and damage each other. it is all behavior, behavior is fascinating. >> there is something about you. my parents had a country store

and i had to work in the country store. my father was an only child and maybe to go -- made me go to work early. you want to talk to adults and you would ask smart questions because you did not have experience. politics and sports and also. -- gossip. >> you tell me what is important. >> your father was in the military? >> and my mother was a social worker. >> you had to adjust to different circumstances. >> people and culture and circumstance, whatever. what are you like? you learn that behavior is not character. >> you become observational. >> i do like to know, what is going on with you? where are you from? what is that accent?

are you married? >> you never become unpopular asking people questions about themselves. [laughter] i learned that early on. it is even true for teenagers, moving place to place. once you've decided, wasn't instant love what -- was it instant love once you have the chance to go on stage and hear your voice and applause. >> it was pretty much -- i could not do sports, i was not athletic. i did not play an instrument there were not any clubs. all i did was i read so you try out for the school play. i did that and it was something i could do. other than school, it was the one thing i could do and people are drawn to the things that come easily to them.

because it came easily, it is just like reading, i can do this. it was one step after another, and then i thought i want to be an actor, because i like this. >> what is the best advice you ever got about acting? >> i am trying to think. just be persistent. it is not what i heard, it is what i saw. >> in terms of learning and getting more roles? >> just work. work work work. the actors i admired were always working and in different genres and nothing bothered them, they just worked. >> i assume meryl streep. who else? >> meryl, number one. she was on the cover of "time" magazine when i was a kid and i showed my father and said i want to be like her.

and she is an actress on the cover of "time" magazine. i think vanessa redgrave is somebody i have always admired. >> me know what is great about her as she is still doing it. -- you know what is great about her is she is still doing it. >> she started when she was young and continues to work in many venues. it is a great thing. >> you consider yourself a late bloomer at all? in terms of not so much the skills being appreciated for the range. most people will say, as one director said about you, she brings intelligence gravitas, and an inner self. is it because of things they say about -- those are the kinds of things they say about meryl.

you have a wider range and bigger canvas. >> my career is incremental. i was talking to somebody and senator demint first movie when i was 29 -- said i did my first movie when i was 29. >> this was after the soap or pera. >> i did movies of the week but i was not in films until 29. everything was very incremental and there was never any big surge. >> in some ways it is better. >> it is great. item like a mouse chewing through a wall -- i am like a mouse chewing through all. one tiny bite at a time. and eventually you are through the wall. >> it builds not only experience but talent. you continue to be exposed to new ideas and new people and

that becomes a part of who you are. >> and there is no there there. there is nowhere to go. life and death, what are we in such a hurry to get to this part? if you hurry through it, -- >> you do not appreciate it. >> also: you do not want to get to the very end. [laughter] everything that you do has to be something you enjoy at the time. to be in the place you are in. >> any great regrets? >> i sometimes regret i did not go to graduate school for acting. >> like yale? >> or juilliard or something. i had a terrific undergraduate education but i think it would have been interesting to have a graduate knowledge. >> you look at this is something you will do the rest of your

life -- as something he will do the rest of your life. there is a sense it is fulfilling. >> "map to the stars." >> i cannot take anymore. >> how was remembered as a director -- is cronenberg as a director? >> wonderful. amazingly prepared, incredibly precise about everything he does. really easy days. >> one thing that would be great about being a director, you have a script that you love, you see what an actor as to your own sense of character -- adds to your own sense of character. because they add their interpretation. >> my husband said something interesting, what is interesting

is when an actor surprises you, you get so excited and you feel like you are holding dynamite. i thought that was a wonderful way to put it. >> i heard my nichols say what do you want from an actor, and he says that he wants an actor to surprise him with an architect surprises. >> in the scene, you do not know what they are going to do and they do something and you go oh/ . you get excited. >> nominated for an oscar for times. -- four times. do you feel good this time? >> i feel great. i am gratified people are so moved by it because that is what we wanted. it is very human and we wanted people who feel the humanity and

connect and understand and have an insight into what the diseases like. >> you do a film like this and you have an appreciation for how important it is to have a husband and be close to them. >> relationships. working with kristen stewart was very extraordinary, she is a very soulful girl and the extraordinary actress. and the idea of the mother and daughter bond, trying to communicate and missed communicating early in the film and you want to miss each other. -- watch them miss each other. it is not about a combative relationship, it is about not seeing things the same way, but not for a lack of love. you see people that are like this managed to meet. >> if you were not doing what you are doing, what would you do? what profession would serve the

same kind of -- >> creative. that is the thing, being an actor, there is so much you get to experience. what if i were a librarian, would that be enough? you have access to all these stories. i love furniture, i love interior design, what i have like to -- would i have liked that? i thought i might want to be a doctor, i like medicine. you don't do so many people. -- talked to so many people. >> and you go to interesting places. you do not like to cook. >> bart is doing the cooking right now. i do the laundry and the organizing. >> you do the family schedules. >> the doctor's appointments and

this and that in the other thing. >> if you were giving a class lecture, what would you say about acting? what would you want to say about this profession that is so interesting? proceed with caution. you have to love it to do it. >> i always people, if you do not like actually doing it, do not do it. if you do not like the process of being on the set her on stage, if you do not like the doing, do not do it. >> someone said, don't tell me you want to be a writer, tell me you want to write. you don't want to be somebody, you want to do something. >> to get so wrapped up you don't even know. you just like the actual doing. i used to love being an acting class, rehearsal, all of that. i like going to a film set in

the morning and seeing everybody and say hello and having everybody come together and bring their own expertise to figuring it out and shooting the scene. i like all of it. afterwards, sometimes i do not want to see it because i dislike the doing. >> -- just like be doing. >> how many times do you want your performances? >> twice at most. >> so not on netflix? >> my family will be like look and i will be like, turn it off. occasionally i see things now because i am much older. i went to see a documentary about andre gregory and they had clips and there were scenes with me and wallace shawn and i was like, who is that? that was a long time ago. seeing how physically changed i was, that was interesting.

>> thank you for doing this. >> thank you for having me, it was great. ♪ >> steven brill is here. his cover story was widely praised for shining a light on the astronomical cost of health care in this country. soon after publication brill became a patient diagnosed with an aneurysm that required surgery, which shaped the narrative of his new book. "america's bitter pill." it chronicles the affordable care act and considers the impact it will have on the health care industry going forward. i am pleased to have steven brill at the table. >> it is good to be here. >> tell me about what happened to you. >> as i was finishing the reporting on the book which is about how obamacare happened and what is going to do, only lasted

of enrollment in the insurance exchanges -- on the last day of enrollment in the insurance exchanges, i got a routine checkup from my doctor checked my pulse and said, it sounds strange. you have me do one kind of test in another kind of test -- c have me do one kind of test and another kind of test, and i was skeptical. the next day he told me i had to have open heart surgery. i have literally not missed a day of work for being sick, i was in great shape, so i thought. the explained that this is a bubble on your heart, and the bubble was big enough that i had a 70% chance, he said, in any given year, albeit bursting. and i would not even -- albeit nursing. -- of it bursting.

and i would not even get to the emergency room. and i asked, how many people continue the conversation, and he said you would be surprised. i was in the operating room within two or three days of the. at. my wife and i did not mess around. because i was so into writing about health care and hospital bills and obamacare, i thought i was dreaming. when you get into something, to do was sleep and dream about it and i thought that is what it was and it was not. a horrible mix of reality and dream which i recount in the opening pages. >> i cannot tell you how suing it was for me to read -- searing it was for me to read that because my mother had a cerebral and tourism. -- aneurysm. she did not know if she would

make it through the night because it was scheduled the next day. that was a long time ago. there were going to go around and bypass the weakness. >> i started reading when i recovered actually, before i recovered, when my wife and i were checking into the hospital the first thing you do is meet with the anesthesiologist. it was a team of three of them and that got my attention. i said, why is the team, and they said we have to keep you alive. we stop your heart so we have to keep oxygen and blood to your brain and lungs. and i said, stop your heart? in t -- and they said, what do you think happens when you have open heart surgery? >> out of this informant assessment -- how did this informant your assessment? >> you bring -- it brings home

one thing intellectually. health care is scary. people care about their health more than policy but when you're lying on the gurney you're are not thinking about your charge master bill and the exclamation of benefits -- explanation of benefits. if the doctor says you need for blood tests and six x-rays, you will get anything they tell you you need. that was really driven home. the other thing was that for all of what i write and report about costs and how the drug companies over bill and hospitals over go and everybody over bills, the fact is this is an industry that saves people's lives. >> the overbuilt to make money out of caution -- do they over bill make money or out of caution?

>> they do both. the coffin makes them money. -- the co makes them mone -- caution makes them money. it could be fear of a lawsuit. because we do not have court reform -- tort. reform. reduce more cat scans and mris than any other country and results are not better. >> you have said to me something to the point that the health care market is not a market at all. it is a crapshoot. >> think about your mother's experience, my experience. you do not know what you are going to buy or how much it costs or if you need it. the doctors of the honest players, i think. but when you get the bill, you

have no idea what it means. when you get the explanation of benefits, you have zero idea what it means. the ceo of the largest health your company in america sent me 36 explanations of benefits. when i interviewed him, he could not explain it. that is not a marketplace. you are not a savvy customer when you go to get health care unless you are getting lasik surgery or something that is truly voluntary and discretionary. you cannot judge quality, cost, anything. >> how did we get here? >> well, we got here through next year set of decisions during -- through and you set of decision -- an obscure set of decisions during world war ii. we cannot offer higher wages so let's offer health insurance.

in the 1940's, healthcare.gov be something that was starting to be expensive -- health care. to be something that was starting to be expensive. it was more than lying down indicting, they could actually treat people -- and dying, they could actually treat people. they offered health insurance as a benefit and it made an obscure decision that it would not count as a wage increase and the irs decided it would not count as income. so health care benefits were embedded into the employment context in the u.s. in way they are not in any other country and what that meant was that when franklin roosevelt and when truman said, we ought to have a national health care law the way other countries do, one of the leading opposition forces were the unions, the progressive unions. because they were offering it as a benefit.

and they said you cannot be doing it, it is how we recruit. >> it is paternalistic. we will take care of you and make sure you have benefits. >> that is one of the great ironies. >> one of the other ironies? -- what are the other ironies? >> one of the ironies about obamacare people do not realize is it is a more conservative version of a plan proposed by richard nixon and a more conservative birds of what mitt romney -- version of what mitt romney did in massachusetts. democrats were pushing for single-payer and got nowhere and gradually got worn down. finally, with obamacare, the democrats in the senate and the white house said, but still with the republican plan. -- let's go with the republican plan. imagine their surprise when the republicans still opposed it

because it was obama's. imagine their surprise more when we went republicans opposed it was saying this is a government takeover of health care. it is exactly the opposite. the government, through the taxpayers, paying for subsidies so people can buy insurance, it is the government giving the private sector all of this money to serve tens of millions of new customers. >> what is the best health care in the world? terms of quality and access and cost. >> are debates. some people say france, the u.k., canada germany. what nobody says is the united states of america, both in terms of the results and obviously in terms of cost. >> why have we been so -- >> once we went down this path of keeping it in the private

marketplace i am not a lefty, but the notion of keeping something like health care private just those that work. -- does not work. we tried this great experiment, but be the only country in the world that does it this way. and every other country does it that way. what we end up with -- do we end up with? cost 50% higher per capita. and results not better. >> would we have been better for single-payer? >> yes, but we can't do that now. what i propose is something radically different, more republican, which is you let the large health care systems that are expanding, the large hospitals that are buying up doctor practices and clinics, you let them expand and compete as brands.

you regulate them and let them s their own health insurancee. -- sell their own health insurance. what i mean is, when i went to new york presbyterian and got care, they have a network over the city. i would rather pay the president to be my insurance company, vision $8,000 a year and say you keep me well. instead united health care that and i have to worry about losing my network -- instead i united health care thatp -- pay united health care that and i have to worry about my network. if the insurance company is the hospital, they have no incentive to build themselves. but you have to regulate -- bill themselves.

but you have to regulate that heavily. >> was the biggest mistake the obama administration made? >> they forgot that a part of occupying the white house's governing, for starters. they, being the president, ignored the advice of larry summers and lots of others saying you have to bring in people from outside to run this thing only one full beer debacle. -- or the launch would be a debacle. that was mistake number one, mistake number two, and this may have been forced on them by the politics, but they never emphasized that this is a giant income redistribution program, that the premiums are really cheap because the subsidies that people get are so high. there are subsidies for people making up to $92,000 a year. they were afraid to talk about

that and that is why it will flag at the beginning -- enrollment lagged at the beginning and the politics are still not. it is a great program for the middle class. >> the book is about the fight to fix the health care system. steven brill has done an amazing job reflecting that in his personal experience and talking to people inside and outside the white house and made a conversation with the people who make up the medical community. both patients as well as hospitals and pharmaceutical companies and certainly doctors. "america's bitter pill." ♪

>> governor mario cuomo was laid to rest this week. it was a three term governor of the state, a talented lawyer, and an eloquent speaker. he passed away on new year's day, the same year is oldest son was born in for a second term as governor. it was a frequent guest -- he was a frequent guest on this program.

and we have several conversations about politics, his legacy, and the role of the government in america. it was born the son of immigrants in queens graduated at the top of his class, but no one wanted to hire someone with his last name. he said it was an experience he never forgot. >> i always imagined this. you came, your father, -- >> andre. >> he ran a grocery store. >> he was a ditch digger and that he ran a grocery store. >> you pull yourself up, you got through law school, you cannot get a job on wall street. they do not want mario romo cuomo. that has always been with you, where i came from. in a positive sense would also a

negative sense. -- but also in a negative sense. >> that is true, charlie. as i remember saying, something really stupid in my first few days as governor, 1983. someone said, what do you want to do with your governorship? i said, i want to have four years after which you will say no one worked harder and was more honest. because of the stereotype of italian-americans, talking about the mafia, it is so disgusting to me, so repulsive, i am the first elected italian american in the history of the state as governor. i want to show them how operate and honest i can be -- albright and honest i can be. an italian americans were disgusted and they were right.

it was an unfortunate thing i said. i am mindful of my background but it expresses itself far beyond me. when i go back to the south and see this kid who was emptied into the street to be surrounded by pimps and prostitutes and drug addiction and disorientation, and see a society that looks at that child was black or latino or whatever and poor -- who is black or latino or whatever and poor, and includes all kinds of stereotype. they are not as smart as we are. when i read books by presumably intelligent people are being read by intelligent businessman who asked me at a meeting, what about the study that says that blacks are intellectually inferior? and i hear that the new york

state -- in new york state, and my only answer is, are you kidding? are you serious? do you think that there is something to the thesis that because they are black, they are inferior of intelligence? absolutely, says this one businessman. i remember law school. i remember mario cuomo, first in his class, not able to get in. and it is aggravating to think that the most powerful nation in the world, but has given opportunities to 20 generations. >>'s influence spread beyond new york state -- his influence spread the new york state. he remained an outspoken defender of liberalism and the power of government to help people's lives. >> it is important for government to do what it did for my mother and father.

they did not get a handout. my mother had four children and never used a doctor or hospital, she had midwives. they did not ask for much except the opportunity to make it. my father, who was a ditch digger, had more opportunity than people in new york were educated. he had a job. it was only a ditch digger, but there was a ditch to be dug. he worked. the most fundamental thing you can give people is an opportunity to earn their own bread with dignity and an opportunity to move up. it is ironic, he did not have much else. but he had the chance to make it on his own. we're not doing that anymore. >> the quarrel is how to best do that. >> one of the worst things you can do to provide the answer is to use all of the magic language of the politicians.

>> what you want to do is address the question with common sense and baby talk. who was brilliant that that was abraham lincoln. >> your hero. >> absolutely. mine yours, everyone was happy opportunity -- who has had the opportunity to know him. what he said was, you are trying to figure out what government should do. the things that you cannot do yourself privately, individually. if you need to come together and pull your money and energy to get it done, we call that government. >> he was known as a fierce debater and spellbinding orator with his keynote speech in san francisco overshadowing the nominee, walter mondale. in 1993, he shared with me secrets of speeches.

>> first of all>> and i said this to more than 11, 12 years of students who i was trying to teach legal writing, understand this about a brief, you are never finished. you are finished when you run out of time. the notion that you have a perfect speech, there is no such thing. >> lombardi said that we never lost, we ran out of time. >> you can always make it better. it is like trying a case arguing in the supreme court. you can work endlessly on it and the ending is arbitrary. number two, the most important thing is to have something to say. >> a driving idea. >> and something you believe. people say, why don't you get jimmy breslin to write a speech? he is one of the most gifted

writers that is ever lived, if his heart is in it, no one has done better than he. or norman mailer. bill kennedy. quarantine right and magnificent speech -- couldn't seehe w and magnificent speechrite -- couldn't he write a magnificent speech? you have to be saturated in it and write it and rewrite it and then read it. if it is going to be a speech not read it yourself because you do not read it right. the words you put down reflected your thought and the interpolations you never get. when you read it back, you read the interpretations. if argument to charlie rose, he

will see gaps -- if i read it he will see gets. keynote speech of 84 i read to about 10 or 12 people in my office at the world trade center. just people who work for me, i read it, and went around the through. -- room. you did not say middle-class. i have never, except for the abortion, there is not a speech in this book that had the time i think it should have had. >> is inspiring oratory and time as governor made him a popular figure it was also one of the most frustrating -- he was also one of the most frustrating. it was urged to run for president and declined. we talked about it on the program.

>> from 84 on, from the keynote on, when asked about the president, i said the same thing. i am not thinking about running for president, i have never thought about running for president, and never suggested anything else. and everyone knows it. ron brown, my former student, said publicly that i hope the governor will let us know before the new hampshire primary. so i fixed that date from october whatever the date was to november whatever the date was, that was the time. that was the shortest period of time that anyone spend on the subject. i sent up a committee, we did fundraising, prepared able with every issue -- any old that dealt with every issue.

the final issue was, what happened to new york, and the answer was the republicans would not give us a budget to keep us in new york. >> you seem to know>> you were closing the door -- you seemed to know you were closing the door and you didn't reluctantly. -- seemed to do it reluctantly. >> it was not an easy decision frankly. it is not an easy decision if you are leaving the polls. -- leading the polls. i was first in the polls. i am not a fool. if you are for for a long. of time and people are -- long period of time and people are saying that they trust you, you take that seriously. that is what i have devoted my life to.

to be given the opportunity to do it on a broad stage, even more than the presidency, the chance to make the case for new york on a national platform. >> i understand. >> there was reluctance. >> with his track record, it was touted as a potential supreme court justice but it would be a generation before he could be nominated and he felt he had other obligations. >> is the reason you were not criticizing this president because you want to be the first nominee for the supreme court? >> no. would you accept it if he asked -- >> have you thought about >> you would accept it if he asked? >>. enough to answer. -- not enough to answer. >> the talked about it during the campaign. it is believed that he is prepared to resign and was

waiting to see a democrat. would you like to sit on the supreme court? that is easy. >> it is not as easy as you think. if you answer that question without all of buying it, -- qualifying it, it is the same as saying i would rather do that than what i am doing. >> not rather be on the supreme court, like to be on the supreme court. >> if i could be governor and on the supreme court, yes. >> i go back to my first question to get to this in a logical manner. will you run for reelection? >> that is what i have to deal with no>> and here is what i have -- that is what i have to deal with now and here is what i have to say. i have been invited to serve on the zipper -- never been invited

to serve on the supreme court. there is no vacancy. if there were a vacancy and he asked me to do it or indicated he might, i would have to go with that question. at the moment, i am focused on being governor. i have spent all of my career in state service. >> to serve the people of new york. >> i would be perfectly comfortable to finish my career serving. >> he is survived by his wife matilda, five children, and 14 grandchildren. millard fillmore died at age 82 -- mayor cuomo died at age 82. ♪

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