>> i'm john holloman. >> on mark halperin. >> with all due respect to roger goodell, hefty 56 birthday. -- happy 56th birthday. on the show tonight, rudy's whets the small stuff -- rudy sweats the small stuff in a cosby sweater. roger goodell had a dinner in his honor here last night at the fabled 21 club. by all accounts, it went pretty well except for when rudy giuliani up and said president

obama doesn't love america. here is how governor walker responded the next day on "the morning after your co->> the myth -- the morning after." >> the mayor can speak for himself. >> were you offended by those comments? what was your reaction? >> i am in new york. im used to people saying what they think. >> walker refuses to repudiate. what is the trip for you in the cycle when a candidate refuses to repudiate things that are over the line? >> i think it shows strength when a candidate figures out a way to distance himself from an ally in a respectful way. john mccain did this in 2008 when somebody got up and said

barack obama is a muslim. he said i disagree with your point of view. we have different points of view. i think this is starting to look weak rather than shrewd. >> governor romney's team had the attitude, we are not going to repudiate people who say stuff because we will be in an unending cycle. rush limbaugh attacked college student sandra flug using over the line language so over the line that he eventually apologized, but before he apologized, mitt romney was asked what he thought. look how he handled it. >> it is not the language i would have used. it is not what i think is good for the country today. that is why we are here talking about jobs in ohio. >> the week link, and romney used it, "not the language i

would have used." i think these guys now are getting a false sense of how easy this is. yes, walker was on cnbc, but they are not day in, day out in ohio and new hampshire taking questions. scott walker made a mistake. he should have said i disagree with what the mayor said. >> look, mayor giuliani is a great mayor. he is one of my friends. >> he got it wrong read >> i think he got it wrong -- he got it wrong. >> i think he got it wrong. i understand what he is trying to a. -- to say. >> the right on talk radio says look at us bushman journalist's like us. that is what the liberals want. it's not just a sign of courage. it's a sign of principle and authenticity. what will rant i'll say about this.

what will jeb bush they question -- rand paul say about this? what will jeb bush say? >> i have a feeling he will answer it a better way than scott walker did. >> someday i scott walker is going to look at that tape and shake his head. >> in 2016 we learned that he is backing jeb bush. this is a blow to chris christie , no doubt. is it a sign that chris christie is toast? >> he is not toast, but this hurts. this guy raised a ton of money or mitt romney -- for mitt romney. he owns a new jersey football team. it is not the first tri-state

area bundler christie has lost to jeb bush, but i am telling you right now, i don't believe the christie people know how bad it is. people are writing him off. >> while scott walker is here he didn't handle it well, but the truth is, among new york donors who don't want jeb bush, they have an open ear for his -- an open ear for scott walker. because they don't want chris christie. that is why scott walker is getting a hearing this week. >> i think the one upside for christie is he is going to have to fight for it now in a way that's not going to be like in -- like a chair fund-raising. he is going to have to use his political skills which, the

people writing him off or get are from edible. >> they are from edible. -- forget our formidable. >> they are formidable. there is all this polling now and you know as well as i do that bundler's look at numbers. >> he is going to be the nominee right now. >> james wants you to move on. >> speaking of cold hard cash, i read the news today about the clinton foundation taking foreign cash from the united arab emirates and other overseas money. why are they taking this? >> i would like to say to words

to you. "lincoln bedroom." the clintons have always had a fondness for money and for campaign money, for philanthropic money. they desire to be well-funded. in a campaign context, that often leads them to be blind to where the money is coming from. that is historically true as well. >> i don't care what foreign countries you take it from. and again, the foundation does great work. people should give money to the clinton foundation but to take money at this point from these countries is a huge mistake. if hillary clinton is not president, i think she will look back on this and say, why? why did i take the money from the foundation? >> as you recall, one of the things she did as secretary of

state was to try to put a stop to this. these foreign governments are get -- are good at getting around the rules to get access to her. >> the other thing it tells us, yet again, people who say the clintons have been scrutinized and we need -- we know everything we need to know, it's not true. there is a lot more coming or it >> be ground. -- more coming. >> speed round. the world cup is reportedly moving from summer to winter so that it will not be 90 million degrees on the pitch. sacrilege, you say. but some question that qatar is holding the world cup at all. what do you say? >> move the games. >> i think the united states should boycott the games. qatar is using slave labor.

it's horrible in every dimension. next up, reports are that eddie murphy declined to play il cosby -- bill cosby during the s&l 40th anniversary show. >> totally fine. nor mcdonald, i am not getting my news other than from his twitter feed. >> a man needed to get a laugh. he would have killed as cosby. instead, he gave that kind of nonperformance and ended up a laughing stock in the wrong way. happy chinese new year, boards fans -- sports fans. it is either the year of the goat or the year of the sheep. what is the right, who --

hooved, grass eating animal? >> the post office says ram, and i never go against the post office. quick correct. -- >> correct. >> i would like to solve the puzzle. the game show we hastily assembled here on the site when we come back. ♪

>> last night here in new york quite a show with rudy giuliani's ticking at a fancy -- rudy giuliani speaking at a fancy pants dinner. tell us about the dinner last what you saw and heard, and how you enjoyed it. >> the dinner was great. had salmon. it was a little under done. other people had steak. it starred scott walker from

wisconsin. he spoke for a little bit and then everybody started asking him questions. there were a couple of soliloquies, as you mentioned. rudy giuliani and some others. it was great. it was a lot of fun. >> we will get to mayor giuliani in a minute. first, are you a supporter of scott walker's now or not? are you endorsing any candidate? >> if i thought for a moment my endorsement would give him any credibility or get him any votes, i might consider endorsing a candidate, but really all it would do would be sever my relationship with everybody else. >> you are a keen observer of residence. one question -- of presidents. one question people ask is if scott walker seems presidential. does he seem like he can fill

the chair in the overall -- in the oval office? >> i have followed his career. he is maturing extremely well. you know when you get into the oval office, remember, it is the sash that makes a person. being president makes you far more presidential van you ever were before area that happened with reagan and all of the president. and i think scott walker is perfectly tuned to be president. he is one of a number of candidates who could fit that role very well. >> it may be true that he was more presidential when he got into office. he ran on a very positive, compelling, uplifting economic message. scott walker is mainly known as union buster. i curious if use the kind of -- union buster.

i am curious if you see the kind of upbeat message for the country from him? >> he likens himself, as most republicans do, to the upbeat message of ronald reagan area having most of his -- of ronald reagan. reagan changed dramatically from the time he was governor to the time he was resident. if you remember, in california, he raised the income tax raised the capital gains tax, increased social spending increased prison furloughs, got rid of all of the antiabortion statutes in california. who would believe that man could become the greatest president we ever had? people change over time. scott walker could well be president. >> i want to document the

history. mayor giuliani's words have been documented and reported. even today on a television appearance he walked back a little bit what he said, but he did not repudiate his remarks or apologize for them. how are into the dinner did he's be, and what -- did he speak and what do you recall the reaction in the room being when he said that president obama does not love america? >> i think i was out of the room and did not hear the comments you're talking about. >> was their chatter afterward about what he said? likes i didn't -- >> i didn't hear any chatter. >> what do you think about him saying the president doesn't love america? is that something you endorse or repudiate? >> it's not something i would

ever say and it's not nothing i believe. i think the president has done a really bad job, but not because he doesn't love america. i think he just doesn't understand economics. you cannot tax yourself into economic prosperity. a poor man can't spend himself into wealth. that is what obama has been trying to do. and w was not much better either, to be honest with you. these guys have failed and failed. >> you said you think it was wrong for giuliani to say that and you would not say it your self. >> i think it is wrong for me to say it. i do not leave it. i am not going to put words in giuliani's mouth. if he believes that and he said it that is him. i think president obama loves america. i think he is wrong on the economy and i think he has

done a lot of damage to the economy, but not because he doesn't love america, just because he doesn't understand. does that make sense? >> it makes perfect sense. you know jeb bush pretty well. his father famously broke is no new taxes. you have been very critical of or e3's -- of 43's economic record. how is jeb bush different from his two relatives that were president? >> i know his record as governor of this age of florida and it was exquisite -- of the state of florida, and it was exquisite. he did a lot of good stuff there. i got to know him personally -- i got to know him peripherally. i don't know him well. he and i were both pallbearers at a younger all and i did get to know his policy.

his father broke that pledge which is the wrong thing to do. it was not wrong for him to make the pledge. it was wrong for him to break it. that cost him the election and the cost the economy a great deal. w did all that stimulus spending, the worst thing you could imagine, and then obama doubled down on it. it's just crazy. how can a guy spend himself into wealth? it's ridiculous. >> of the last four presidents which one was the best on the american economy? >> bill clinton was great. >> why do you say that? >> first place he pushed nafta through congress against his own party and against the unions. you have to take your hat off for that. you -- he got reform on social

security, welfare. he cut the capital gains tax. >> we take your point. you love clinton. of all the republicans thinking of running in 2016 which one, regardless of their electability, would be the best on the economy, as far as you are concerned? >> i don't know. what you have to watch in the campaign is that this is a training time for politicians. politicians do like to change their views depending on how they are received. we are going to see a lot of very qualified people -- and they really all are, and i know a lot of them very well -- they are going to go through this training and one of them is going to come out the other end a formidable candidate. that's what happened to ronald reagan. he changed dramatically because he responded to politics. these people are going to be

great candidates reflecting the public will. >> we want to see you draw your famous curve on a napkin for us so come to new york. you show us your curves and we'll show you hours. -- ours. after the break, again show hokey music, and pimm fox. ♪

>> welcome, welcome. are you ready to play "this, that, or the other thing"? i'm pimm fox. meet our contestants. they never change. mark enjoys traveling to japan. john enjoys 1980's arcade

games. all right, gentlemen, let's play "this, that, or the other thing." john, who is more likely to jump in the race if hillary clinton doesn't run? number one, joe biden number two, john kerry or number three, bill clinton after repealing the 22nd amendment. >> i would say bill clinton, giving us the clinton-bush race we all want to see. >> i say biden first then clinton, then kerry is the nominee. >> number two, what will happen first, scott walker completes his educational degree, columba bush speaks in public or brian williams goes back on the air? >> i will go with number two, columba bush speaks first. >> john? >> i think i have to agree with

mark. columba just because the other two are almost totally unlikely. >> and when she's, watch -- when she speaks watch out. question number three. homestretch. who is playing the best game right now? netanyahu, elizabeth warren, or monet davis? >> if you saw that crossover that drove kevin hart to embarrassment and shame so that he would never play in the celebrity game again, you would know the answer all the way is monet davis. >> dreidel, dreidel, dreidel benjamin netanyahu is playing two continents like a pro. >> that you agree monet davis could take him in a one-on-one?

>> totally. >> who is more transparent governor chris christie of new jersey silvio burwell or norm mcdonald? >> nor mcdonald is the best reporter in the history of entertainment. he reported about eddie murphy not wanting to play bill caused the. norman donald -- bill cosby. norm mcdonald could be on e! >> that guy tweets about football when it is football season, and you don't even need to watch the game. >> and he has an open invitation to come on. >> i have to give you the last final quest. what is the best picture, or man, boyhood, or whatever this

is? >> boyhood is going to do surprisingly well in the academy awards on the day. big winner, best picture of the year. >> i am going with mark although if that picture was actually a friend academy awards, i would say joe biden would win. but i am going with boyhood. great movie. it's going to win. >> thanks for playing "this, that, or the other thing." ♪

>> so, we have solved the problem of the chinese new year. it is the year of the ram. >> next -- ♪

>> hello, i'm pimm fox, and this is what i am taking stock of this thursday. the clock ticks for greece. european finance ministers are scheduled to meet friday in brussels. they are set to accept a loan agreement as a basis for negotiations. the greek proposal demonstrates that there is potential for a compromise. >> i hope the ministers get a unanimous agreement. we will assist in this process as much as we can.