mr. perry: coyotes, you are on notice. i have four dogs now and i will shoot you. ♪ mark: ted cruz scrambles to make hillary clinton walk on eggshells. israel spied on united states during the iran nuclear talks and used that information to sway members of congress against the deal.

that is not the only new tension in the israeli-united states partnership. president obama seemed to dismiss the possibility of a peace effort any time soon. president obama: we can't pretend there is a possibility of something that is not there. we cannot continue to premise our public diplomacy based on something that everybody knows is not going to happen at least in the next several years. that is something we have to -- for the sake of our own credibility, we have to be able to be honest about that. mark: where does that leave the u.s.-israeli relationship? john: i think this is a horror show. the relationship between the countries has not been this bad since the george h.w. bush

administration. it is really bad and it has been bad for a while. president obama's tone, the way he spoke about netanyahu and what he had said before about the two state solution, it was incredible the way he called him out. mark: what could save it is a failure of the iran nuclear talks. some sort of continued intelligence operations. some sort of increased sanctions. if there is a deal, things will get worse. john: i wonder whether he has lost some leverage over that veto ability. let's focus on today. john kasich made a traditional stop. it is the old politics and eggs campaign stop.

here's what he told the independents of new hampshire. governor kasich: i do not believe that. i believe economic growth is a means to an end. you know what we have done in ohio? john: that is not the kind of talk we hear from many republican potentials. do you think he will get in? is there room for john kasich in this crowded field? mark: i think it is a possibility. there is room for him in this race. he does not need to raise much money. john: the governor of ohio who won a huge massive reelection who expanded his vote with african-americans and others.

this sounds a lot more like a potential candidate. mark: he is a happy warrior who has had good relationships across the board. he is not afraid of a fight with parts of the party. even jeb bush, in some eyes, case it is more ready for the fight. mark: hillary clinton was at an awards ceremony. secretary clinton agreed to speak at the dinner before the e-mail scandal blossomed. she was faced with a bit of a sticky wicket. secretary clinton: i am all about new beginnings. [laughter] a new grandchild, another new hairstyle. [laughter]

a new e-mail account. [laughter] why not a new relationship with the press? mark: was that charming, sarcastic, or awkward? john: charming, that much, sarcastic, that much disingenuous, that much, and awkward, off the chart. mark: hillary clinton has many faces, none of them poker. if that is a reflection of her attitude, she has a lot of work to do. john: up next, politics with a capital p, and that rhymes with t and that stands for ted cruz. after this. ♪

john: our guest tonight is the president of the "all due respect" "star trek" fan club. senator ted cruz, thank you for coming back on the show. since the moment you took the stage yesterday to right now what is the funniest thing that has happened to you? sen. cruz: the coolest thing was how well my girls did. the announcement was at liberty, 12,000 screaming college kids. the girls are 4 and 6. heidi and i were nervous. we did a practice the day before, we tried to get them ready, and they did phenomenal. carolyn was high-fiving people up there. mark: anything about this process you find intimidating? sen. cruz: this takes your

breath away. you cannot help but be in awe of having the opportunity to run for president of the united states, to potentially lead the greatest country in the history of the world, at a time of enormous threat. serving in the senate, not a day i do not wake up astonished to be where i am. john: some of your colleagues feel the same way. mark is referring to the question of what is intimidating of running for president. what about the office of the presidency? what is intimidating to you about that? sen. cruz: anyone who is not taken aback at the awesome responsibility of defending this country, the principal responsibility of the president is to be the commander-in-chief, to defend this nation.

by 2017, it is only going to have got more dangerous after that. anyone -- the weight of that responsibility does not weigh on your shoulders contemplating it is not fit to contemplate the office. mark: "the wall street journal" reported that israel spied on the united states. allies spy on each other all the time. would you tolerate israel spying on the united states? sen. cruz: they reported that israel spied on iran. at the end of the day, it is an interesting thing that in the course of these negotiations, we are apparently communicating the terms of the negotiations with russia and other countries, but not with israel. mark: would you tolerate israel spying on the united states if you were president?

sen. cruz: it is no surprise to anyone that countries engage in espionage and defend their own national security. mark: so you would continue to spy on israel? sen. cruz: what every country is going to do is defend their national security. israel lives in a very tough neighborhood. if one thing sadly has been clear in the obama administration, they have real reason to be concerned this administration will not stand with them. john: there is only one potential republican candidate who had some comments about yesterday. >> ted cruz is a conservative. people have to make a decision which is the republican that cannot only excite the base, but can bring new people into the party?

john: what do you have to say to rand paul? sen. cruz: rand paul is a good friend of mine. i like and respect him. we have fought side-by-side for liberty. john: he is saying he has done more to reach out to non-base republican voters than you have. do you accept that criticism? sen. cruz: if we are going to win, we have to reassemble the coalition. we have to bring together conservatives, libertarians, evangelicals, women, hispanics reagan democrats, and young people. that has been one of the most incredible things we have seen. when i ran texas, we saw the coalition come together. our coalition at the grassroots level was breathtaking and it

was driven by young people. mark: goldman sachs, are they a positive force or a negative force? sen. cruz: like any institution, some of both. mark: what is the negative? sen. cruz: goldman is one of the biggest banks on wall street and my criticism with washington is they engage in crony capitalism. they give favors to wall street and big business. i have been an outspoken opponent of crony capitalism. big business, if they are building a better mousetrap, great. it should not be government favoring. dodd-frank, sold to the american people as stopping too big to fail. the big banks have gotten bigger. mark: why is goldman sachs a negative force?

sen. cruz: they seek out and get special favors from government. they are entitled to practice their business, but without subsidies. john: are you proud of what she did for goldman? sen. cruz: i did mention that. i have to say, a lot of times the caricatures of republicans they do not fit with the facts that i have an amazingly brilliant professional woman who was my best friend in the world and my partner in everything we do. john: a bunch of people compared you to the current president of the united states. what is your reaction to being called the republican obama?

sen. cruz: if people are not throwing rocks at you, you are not doing anything. i have tried to lead on the great issues of the day. before i was in the senate, i was not a community organizer. i was the solicitor general of texas and represented texas, winning some of the biggest conservative fights in the country before the supreme court. john: after the break, the second part of our texas two-step. rick perry will be here in a moment. ♪

mark: if you missed our ted cruz interview, it will be

online soon. sticking now with our lone star state theme, i visited with rick perry in houston this morning. we talked aboutn him being a grandfather. you are a grandfather. what is rick perry the grandfather like? mr. perry: they had me wrapped around their finger. 20 months and 21 days. it is great, awesome. they are life-changing. mark: have you changed any diapers? you have not. have you been asked to? i sat next to you at a dinner. i do not think this is a trivial topic. a lot of presidential politics is about personality. when i meet people who have not met you, they never list the traits i would list about you. i am wondering whether you think in your public appearances

interviews, the real rick perry i consider to be smart interesting, comes through or not? mr. perry: i cannot answer that. the people i spend time with find me to be a person they hang out with. that is a good reflection of who i am. i probably put up a bit of a wall so that -- you might have a harder time penetrating than someone i've known a long time. mark: is there a way to get the wall out of the way for voters? mr. perry: the real rick perry -- i think we are doing fine. you spend time with people and

you talk about their family. people did not realize i grew up on a farm. people did not know my background. growing up in a house that did not have running water. my life's experiences are pretty unique from the standpoint of all of the folks who have risen to the top to be prospective candidates. going off to a public school and volunteering to be in the air force and coming back and farming with my dad, all of those are experiences that helped develop who you are. if there is a blue-collar guy in the mix out there, i certainly make the cut. mark: one aspect of your bio you have served in the military. the field is filled with folks who have not. is that good for the country to have a commander-in-chief who has served?

mr. perry: it is important aspect of knowing what young families go through. whether it is the deployments, the stress and strain. i was at the end of the vietnam war. i see some comparables today as we start to hollow out the military. having been a governor for 14 years and deploying texas military forces and our national guard to a host of different things. when the space shuttle falls out of the sky, there is not a manual for that. when ebola comes onto the shores of this country, the hurricanes, katrina, when we took in the people from louisiana, all of that develops your executive skills. mark: are you more a netanyahu

guy or an obama guy? mr. perry: netanyahu in terms of his understanding of israel, his understanding of iran. iran is a troublesome country. his standing up, coming to the united states, laying out the defense of israel and i think being critical about this administration's negotiations with the country that is responsible for exporting terror around the world, these are the people -- our marines in beirut were killed by iranian dollars. and we know the weapons supplied into iraq were used to kill american soldiers.

i am very strongly with prime minister netanyahu when it comes to this issue of israel's future and peace in the middle east. mark: you are not a big fan of flip-flopping. were you troubled by his pre-election position that he did not support a two-state solution and in postelection changing back right away? mr. perry: i think he was talking about reality. this is not a group of people -- we have hezbollah, hamas, isis. i consider it to be taking in reality. we do not live in a perfect world. mark: ted cruz got in the race yesterday. senator paul said, i agree with ted cruz on most issues, but i

am trying to appeal to a broader section of the electorate. how would you differentiate yourself from senator cruz? mr. perry: obviously, you made mention of a number of things that were different. i had a different growing up experience. mark: have you ever been a canadian citizen? mr. perry: i have been to canada before. i think those experiences are really important. after this period of time, inexperienced united states senator in the form of barack obama -- it is like getting on an airplane.

you are flying from new york city to london and there is some pretty severe weather. do you want a grizzled 20,000 hour captain that has done this thousands of times? and has been out there and done this. or do you want a bright capable, exciting lecturer that will have you on the edge of your seat in a classroom talking about aerodynamics and how all of this works? mark: your answers have to be no longer than four words. have you ever killed a snake? mr. perry: yes. mark: have you ever had your own e-mail server? mr. perry: no. mark: what is your favorite food to eat in iowa? mr. perry: oh, man.

mark: what are your chances of being the next president of the united states if you decide to run? better than 50-50? mr. perry: yes. mark: better than 75%? mr. perry: yes. mark: why is that so funny? last question. what is the nicest thing you can say about hillary clinton? mr. perry: a committed public servant. mark: governor perry, thank you. ♪

john: will ferrell earned his star on the walk of fame. cubs win! cubs win! mark: up next, "taking stock." ♪

pimm: hello, i'm pimm fox. no survivors in the german aircraft. the wreckage was found about 30 miles north of nice. it was on the way to duesseldorf, germany and carried 150 passengers and crew. lufthansa had this to say about the tragedy. >> in this dark hour of our company, our thoughts and feelings and prayers are with the relatives of the passengers. and of course our crew. pimm: during a news conference with the afghan