>> no matter how hard you try there will only be one president lincoln. mark: happy chinese cookie homeland -- home and cookie -- almond cookie day. chris christie's comeback tort. and elizabeth warren's don't forget about me tour. but first, rand paul's tour. today, after a super shaky or state of the tour, paul was asked about how the shooting in itself was different from

michael brown in ferguson last year. rand paul: justice needs to be colorblind. whether you are a policeman or not a policeman, no one is above the law. the problem without commenting to much on the details of these specific instance is that you do not know all of it. that is why we have a judicial system with lawyers on both sides. but from first appearances, it is pretty horrific what the video shows. mark: criminal justice reform is supposed to be one of rand paul's passions. this might have been a chance for him to regain his footing in his early campaign mode, but did he regain his footing or not? melinda: not. it was a little mystifying. it is his signature issue. it was after this really rocky

start the day before. he is given this opportunity over and over again, and he doesn't even want to talk about it. he says things like "well, most of the cops do a great job, i believe in justice" -- of course he does. mark: the things i never thought i would never say about rand paul is platitudeness. and gutless. this is a guy, one of the few republicans who went to ferguson, missouri. he said there is a two system of justice in this country, equal but separate, and here he is backpedaling away from the things that make him distinctive. i do not understand this strategy on behalf of senator paul. melinda: in fact, if you look at all of the statements made by presidential hopefuls, his was one of the blandest, where you would be one of the strongest. mark: not a different kind of republican so far. president obama recently said that before bashing him on foreign policy, scott walker needs to bone up on foreign policy.

molding up is what he has been doing. he met privately with ambassadors and now he is heading off on a trade mission to expand. this is a republican field that is absent of any national security experience. will these kinds of moves by walker or any gop 2016er be enough for them to clear the national security hurdle? melinda: well, of course, obama did the same thing when he was running. he was so disappointed he couldn't stand in front of the brandenburg gate. it is what you learn on the trips, not whether you take them. do they talk about uzbekibeki-beki-stan-stan, the way herman cain did? mark: whether you were selling cheese or buying cheese, one or the other. the question is what does the boning up yield? and we have not yet heard walker's foreign-policy vision.

but it is going to be hard for any of these people, i know that you agree to be at the same threshold as hillary clinton given her huge resume in this area. whatever you think about policies. melinda: i don't think they can possibly come up to the level of the former secretary of state. but they have to keep from embarrassing themselves, basically. john: getting the tutelage sounds at least substantially and not merely symbolic. if life is a highway, then chris christie's life is a bridge. and right now the bridge is undergoing construction. indictment of the gw link those are expected as early as next week. christie is going there. his approval rating is at a record low but he is plotting a comeback tour. week. -- christie is going there. the question i have is whether he could be poised for a comeback, or is he deluded to think that is remotely possible?

melinda: i get the idea that you think there is a right answer to this question, deluded. i'm going to say that it looks bad for him. the polling is bad, the indictments can be the end of the line for him. but he has some moves. he has charisma. people like chris christie even when it is not reflected in the polling tool. mark: remember john mccain in 2008, everyone wrote him off. he did exactly what chris christie is planning to do now go to new hampshire, campaign low to the ground, wait for a big moment in the debate. it is possible. chris christie has more performance skills than a lot of republicans. but new jersey's economy is horrible. most republicans do not like him. i think it will be a stiff uphill run for him to get back in contention. melinda: maybe it is wishful thinking because he is so much fun to cover. [laughter] mark: i am sure that is true. elizabeth warren, she is like the maestro in a nutcracker ballet.

while she says she is not going to take the stage in 2016, she wants the star of the show to dance to her to. this morning though on cbs, the maestro seemed out of sorts. >> do think she is future of the democratic party? elizabeth warren: i think we have juicy first of all if she declares and what she says she wants to runs on. that is the interesting thing. i will tell you where i stand on all the key issues. it is up to others to say if they stand there as well or in a different place. i will tell you where i stand on minimum wage. i will tell you where i stand on equal pay for equal work. >> name me one thing you would like to see hillary clinton do endocyte and commit to that and say and commit to -- emissary and commit to -- and say and commit to that she has not

committed to. elizabeth warren: i would like to see her address all of these issues. mark: melinda, with the launch of henry clinton's campaign just days or hours away, doesn't seem like senator warren realizes she is about to be completely eclipsed? melinda: she may feel that she is running out of time. she sounded more like a candidate than in any other moment i can remember. to say if she is running, she must be the last one in america to still be asking that question even rhetorically. mark: right, it is a funny thing. she has tried in various, subtle way is to say she wants hillary to address certain issues. the future of the party is the question. she would not say yes. but she signed a letter to run hillary clinton for president. there's something about her tone that looked unusually desperate. she is normally very composed. in a that, she looked a bit pleading. and i really think it is true. once hillary clinton launches, elizabeth warren, the vacuum that has allowed her to flourish may disappear. breaking news -- breaking news. big breaking news. tokyo is officially a new

resident into the ward. who is this? it's faces all over the world it is larger than life. it's godzilla! melinda, on a scale from 1-godzilla, how awesome is this? melinda: i don't scream, but godzilla. mark: godzilla! after the break, we put obama's hud secretary castro into the ring. and he is not messing around. we will be right back. ♪

mark: our guest tonight is a big fan of housing urbanism, and development. the head of housing and urban development. also a big fan of boxing, which we will get to. john: i want to start with the news of the day question. you were a former mayor, and there is a big controversy unfolding in the last couple of days in south carolina. the shooting of walter scott. i'm curious at this moment what concerns you, what questions you

would like to see resolved, and about the policy going forward. which i think for a lot of people is are we at a place where all cops in the country should have to wear cameras all the time? julian: my first reaction, i imagine the reaction of every one who watched the video, was how tragic it was. anytime you have a loss of life under those circumstances. some of the things that we need to get to as a nation and in local jurisdictions, better training for officers. neighborhood policing, so that you develop trust between the police and the community. and, as you mentioned, things like body cameras. john: good for good cops, bad for bad cops. julian: the majority of officers

julian: the majority of officers are good folks who are doing a great job. but in the past as we have seen, when they are not, having the evidence to make things clear is helpful to the process. john: you stepped in at your new job as head secretary less than a year ago, back in july. you went on a listening tour. i want to ask you about credit. we had a lot of easy, free credit before the financial crisis. credit is now super tight. it is a lot harder to get home loans. has the pendulum swung too far back in the opposite direction and what can we do to fix that? julian: a few years ago, people would agree it was too easy to get a home loan. and because of that and other reasons, we had a housing crisis. today go, though -- today though the issue is that for many hard-working americans folks of middle income, people of modest means, even if they have a fairly decent credit, it is too hard to get a home loan. you will start hearing stories you will not believe about people who, their whole lives had a decent credit, who today cannot get a home loan.

so what we need is that we need access to credit that was on the that builds -- that builds on the safeguards to put in place. things like dodd-frank and the qualified mortgage. but that also allows access to credit so that folks can achieve the american dream that has been a cornerstone of the national experience. that is what we are trying to get out at hud. drawn: you were out here in new york announcing a big initiative with mayor of the valencia. the mayor. they announced they are going out for the first of their energy performance contracts to retrofit their entire housing stock. julian: mrs. going to be that this is -- this is going to be the largest green energy retrofit in the country. you have units that use less energy, that are better in terms of living conditions for folks who live in public housing.

as we see with many things, new york is leading the way. john: god knows, the mayor and all of us new yorkers would agree with you. i want to ask you about politics. secretary clinton is about to announce her candidacy any day now. first question, how many devices do you carry with you? julian: i have my government phone and personal phone. john: do you have a private e-mail server set up in your house and chocolate? -- house? you don't have a private e-mail server of your own? julian: i am happy to use my government e-mail. john: you think she needs to use more to answer lingering questions? does she need to do more than just the press conference? julian: i believe that she addressed that and i believe she addressed it well. someone being in government at the local and federal level, i understand that often times what we do for convenience interacts with the expectations that folks

have about public information. and so forth. i do not think it will be a significant issue in the campaign. i think that she explained it well. john: one of the challenges she has if she runs, which we assume she will, if she becomes the democratic nominee, is to halt -- hold together the obama coalition. a big part has been hispanic voters. president obama has had a strong connection with the hispanic community and the coalition of the ascended. but what would you advise to do to make sure that that young coalition, hispanics and african-americans, etc., stays together and growth for her in 2016? julian: she is doing a lot of it right now. doing significant outreach to communities in some of these swing states like nevada colorado, perhaps even states like arizona, florida, which will be hotly contested. i imagine. and i think speaking to the issues that matter to all americans.

and especially that coalition. the president has laid out an agenda over the last several years that does speak very well to that. whether it is more paid leave or addressing issues of economic recovery, there is a good blueprint for addressing those issues. john: i assume you think the republican party is in significant trouble on the issue of immigration on a political matter. being on the wrong side of the immigration reform issue, i would assume you think politically is a problematic thing for them is a national party. julian: absolutely. you have seen a lot of writing about the personalities in the republican party. people like marco rubio or ted cruz. the challenge for the republican party as far as attracting hispanics is not the personalities. you have smart, articulate personalities -- it is the policies.

it is that folks are actually intelligent and savvy enough to understand where stand on the issues. they can discern which will be better for them when they are in office versus another. that is fundamentally the challenge that republicans have. and it will get even worse for them because they will get through a primary race where they are getting pulled over to the right, like we saw in 2012. .com a how the ultimate nominee comes out of that on an issue like immigration or an issue like paid leave is going to determine how much they can appeal to that ascendant coalition that the president appealed to. john: these are all one word answers. you think will be the presidential nominee? julian: probably bush. john: when do you think texas will finally go blue? julian: i would say, given the last election, probably the next eight years. john: still on the horizon.

you have a famous brother. the castro brothers in cuba, and you guys in the u.s. you guys are less dictatorial, as far as i have heard. julian: i don't know. have you met my brother? john: he is a nice man. who is the best politician between the two of you? julian: i believe my brother is more extroverted. he was better at sports, i was a little bit better at school. john: i was about to ask who is a better athlete. you've already said that. who is a better cook between the two? julian: probably me. because my grandmother, when i was young, wanted me to be a chef. i would bake things, watch her make chicken and rice. or other things when i was growing up. so probabably me. john: so you are smarter and a better cook. he is a better politician and a better athlete. you have distilled about so well. -- that so well. for all the girls, they have an obvious choice to make. mr. secretary, stay right there. and you stay right there. you will see what we do with julian castro and these in just a minute.

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john: we were intrigued to learn that in addition to be the secretary of hud, julian castro is a big boxing fan. a couple of gloves. you will want one of those. that got me to thinking about the similarities between politicians and feudalism. we thought we would ask for a bash -- puhgalism. we thought we would ask for a visual tour about two distinct forms of fisticuffs. fighters on one hand, and politicians in the public arena. julian you have the foreman : right here, a classic fight from 1974. unexpected that ali would come back. forman with just a monster at this time. he had demolished fraser. he was seen as invincible. ali got him in the eighth round. john: this was the rumble in the jungle.

famously from "when we were kings." did you see that movie? was ali and these fights when you became a boxing fan? julian: i was born that year, in the 74. john: so you learned about it later. now we have two politicians in the arena. that would be you sitting next to ted cruz. he is extending a hand in friendship. what was it like to meet ted cruz? i heard is he a great debater. julian: he is. he was a princeton debater. a champion debater. a very nice guy, he was the record. -- he was very cordial. i am sure i shook his hand after this. he was running for senate. this was about six weeks before his senate election in 2012. we went at it over a couple of things. john: who won that debate? julian: i would like to think i did. folks can go to the tape on youtube and see. john: do you think he is a formidable presidential candidate? julian: i think he is formidable. i think his stance on the issues

probably takes him out of the mainstream. he is going to do a good job at raising money given the news we have seen over the last couple of days. ultimately, historically, the republicans have chosen the adult in the room. i believe that might be somebody else. [laughter] john: that is putting it gently. do you think he's more formidable than rick perry? another texan you are familiar with. julian: i do. i think rick perry is in a no man's land in terms of politics and funding. and maybe had his time in 2012 which it could be hard for him to come back. john: we have another image there. who are those two guys? julian: this is my favorite fighter, julio chavez, the long time mexican star. he went something like 94-0 before he was defeated. i can't tell who he was fighting there. john: hector camacho.

julian: hector camacho, all right. macho camacho. this guy would take three punches to get one punch in. but he ultimately prevailed. one of the best records in boxing history. john: you are not a boxer yourself. julian: no, no. john: why are you such a big fight fan? julian: i love the close combat and the skill involved. even though it is brutal and a lot of folks don't like it. it is also a very old sport, and one that takes a lot of training and stamina and thinking. in addition to being able to take a good punch. john: someday when you run for president we will play this video, and that will be a perfect metaphor for your campaign. here comes the next image. julian: this was a good match. a great match. i imagine this was the third debate.

john: the second debate. this was the first debate in denver, i believe. here's my question. a lot of people think mitt romney knocked the president out. were you among the democrats who were freaking out in denver, thinking president obama had lost the election? julian: i think everybody hoped he would come back and i remember the president saying that he does not lose twice. he came back well in the second and third debate. i believe that those helped cushion his lead. and so, you know, he was right he did not lose more than once. john: that is true. we will stay right here, here is the last picture? who are those guys? julian: we've the big may 2 fight between floyd mayweather who is undefeated, one of the best boxers of his time, and many pac-12 also -- and manny

pacquiao, also one of the best boxers of his time. it will be on may 2. if i have to guess, it will be floyd. john: that is a safe call, but this will be a big fight? julian: this is projected to have the most pay-per-view buys in fight history, and also the biggest gate in las vegas of any fight in history. and i think that mayweather may end up making about $100 million from this fight. john: is that higher than your salary at hud or a little lower? julian: a bit lower. john: you actually know what you're are talking about when it comes to boxing. we are going to get you to sign these boxing gloves. one name on one side and the other on the other. he knows where to sign, too. look at that. perfect. we will be right back. ♪

john: in rod we trust. the first photos and there goes the mop. rest in peace. that is our show.

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