>> "with all due respect" to bill clinton, if you're going to wear pink, you've got to go very, very big. ♪ in our lineup tonight, researchers line up their targets. congress lines up loretto lynch. baseball debates the semantics of the lineup. first, hillary and bill clinton line up their events. they each spoken about the same time this morning. the president at georgetown university and the would-be president at concord, new hampshire.

andrew mitchell, who deserves credit or being one of the people who tweeted that cold open picture of the pink shoes asked hillary about the fast trade bill with republicans in congress. this was hillary clinton's non-responsive response. hillary clinton: any trade deal has to produce jobs and raise wages and increased disparity and protect our security, and we have to do our part in making sure we have the capabilities and skills to be competitive, so it's got to be really, a partnership between our business, our government, our workforce the intellectual property that comes out of our universities, and we have to get back to a much more august effort, in my opinion, to try to produce those capacities here at home so that we can be competitive. >> not entirely clear if hillary clinton is for that deal or not. she's not the only democrat who wants to be president, though about this. here is former maryland governor

martin o'malley with his opinion on this trade deal. governor o'malley: i'm for trade and good trade deals, but i'm against bad trade deal like the transpacific partnership. we need to focus on making our economy sustainable, more circular and making ourselves strong here at home. >> o'malley is being straightforward. clinton is not. is she playing trade politics smartly right now? john: you will recall back in 2008 -- "i'll take you back in time" when hillary clinton and barack obama both tried to run on trade. hillary clinton, i think, is a free trader in her heart and will end up wanted to pass -- being in favor of this once she is in office if she becomes president, so by fudging things now, that is pretty smart, i suppose. mark: why not come out against it? john: she's going to say a lot of critical things about how this bill has to do x, y, and z

to let her sound as though she is on the left of it, but opposing it puts her in a bad place in terms of the general election. she does not to tie her hands. mark: we have seen now a couple of the toughest issues she has been asked to address -- she's either taken the left position as opposed to centrist or no position. she is not really taking any things in the center. usually the clintons are free traders, and i agree with you probably at her heart she is a free trader and if he were president, she would be for a e*trade deal. i wonder if this hedging is a good idea. i agree in the short-term most people will probably not pay attention, but answers like that do not decisive. they do not look like a leader. i said together day she's afraid of the left, and i think she might be so afraid of the left that she forgets her biggest problem is authenticity. john: being terrified would cause her to do what o'malley is doing and come out against the trade deal. if she is going to be for free

trade i would rather have her fudge now than lie. mark: she's afraid enough she's not taking the position we both know she has. john: she's afraid of a lot of things. it might as well the opposite a poor this next topic. try to follow this classic washington daisychain of reporting. the ap had a piece on the quiet scheming between camps of one-time mentor and protege bush and rubio. then the drudge report picked up the headline that bush allies were allegedly spreading negative information about the young florida senator. then rubio's campaign manager wrote a memo referring to the ap report, telling the team not to take the bait. then, the national review public of memo. got all that? this is a flareup in what is going to be a long war of oppo. who is going to have the best dark art research team? mark: it takes an aggressive,

well-funded campaign to do sophisticated opposition research. i've been talking to a lot of people on all sides and some people not affiliated with the campaign. bush, rubio, walker and cruz i think have a will be particularly strong in doing the nuts and bolts research of what it be done to find out about your opposition. the florida thing is interesting because the bush people are obviously well wired and order. if they're going to have to take out rubio, they're going to have to use their context to dig into his time as speaker and his time with the state carter. >> bush, bush, bush bush, i say. if you look at the people on that team, people like tim miller, who came directly out of the opposition world very talented people in communications and research and had chops and this in past campaigns -- as you said money is key. what is interesting about this race is those guys are working with the leadership act -- pac, or many of them are. it is interesting to see the way finances will work. not just adds as they were in 2012, but that oppo will be

driven out of his committees. mark: everybody seemed to think mike murphy would go to the pac. where did you put your best opposition researcher? at the campaign or at a super-pac devoted to going after the people? you are starting to see stuff move around now, but there will be -- with 16 candidates in the race, it's a huge question of do you take some money out and risk blowback? who are already seeing a lot of reporters carelessly revealing who is doing oppo and who is handing it to them. john: it's one of those games you have to play if you are in a superpac. was signals are being sent by the campaign? that's a tricky thing for advertising and in some ways even trickier for oppo because you want to time those with tight coordination. mark: wilby back to the topic because it could determine the identity of the republican nominee. loretto lynch can finally step out of the republican -- loretta

lynch can finally step out of the nomination waiting room. lynch has waited five months for a vote. that is longer than any nominee for a cabinet position in the past three administrations. after all of this back-and-forth and many days and weeks, what, if anything, did republicans gain from holding up the vote? john: as far as i can see, not a whole lot. they did not really get much ground here, and i think they sort of came down to the pressure, finally, of being bludgeoned or having waited since november -- what was the date? november 8. that's ridiculous that she had to wait that long. i think they were starting to look obstructionist and foolish, and eventually, they decided to take their ball and go home. mark: i'm surprised they did not pay a bigger price for holding up a female attorney general nominee, given the press' predilections. if it had gone on longer, i think the 16 candidates would have had trouble. over the weekend jeb bush

suggested he thought she should be confirmed. this is, i think, public is feeling their way through how to use the new majority. they did not gain much, but given past history, the fact they did not lose anything probably lucky for them. it will be interesting to see as we've seen cooperation on trade and a few other issues if they stop doing this kind of stuff and focus on different politics than obstruction. john: they might not have lost as much as they could have, but i don't get what is going on in their heads that they think screwing around with an african-american female attorney general is good for them in the long run. "the wall street journal" has a story on what is known as batting around in baseball -- my favorite sport. apparently there is no consensus on what it actually means. if it is defined as a team going through 10 batters in an inning -- all the way through the nine lineup and up to the next again -- or if only nine are required to meet the definition. mets star david wright says 10. his teammate john mayberry says nine area wikipedia says 10. which an area w --ictionary says

nine. john: this has been a big debate in the office today. let's go to the control room and do a quick survey by show of hands. how many people think it's nine? a couple of votes for that. how many think it's 10? seeing some hands raising. that is the kind of division that i do not understand because the answer is obviously 10. it is so obviously 10 that i'm reductive anybody think it's not -- anybody thinks it's nine. mark: batting around. it's not like we've completed the order. batting around suggests you have come back around to the top. if you do not come back around to the top, helping to be batting around -- how could you be that in around? john: nine is everybody batted. 10 is batting around. coming up, billy shaheen joins us from the video poker capital

of the world when we come back. ♪

>> our guest tonight is a fan of all of the clintons -- bill, hillary, probably george as part of the funkadelic, too. billy shaheen, thanks for joining us run manchester. let's start with a very simple question -- hillary has been up there now for the past two days. how is it going in your state? billy: i think it's going just the way she planned it. she's meeting people she wants to meet talking about the issues of today. we had a meeting last night, all of the activist -- well, some of the activists. it was fun to be with her, sit around and talk or a couple of

hours. she was comfortable, relaxed and ready to go. >> what do you think -- would it be better for her if she has a tough, spirited, serious challenger for the nomination or better not to? billy: i think it does not make a difference. i think she has enough experience and debated enough people that it can go either way for her. if she has the competition, she will rise to the occasion. if she doesn't, she will be prepared in the all. -- the fall. >> secretary clinton is different from any presidential candidate probably ever in terms of the size of the entourage traveling with her, the number of reporters following her. you know new venture politics and the way in which retail politics works up there. how does she deal with that challenge -- you know new hampshire politics and the way in which retail politics works up there.

how does she deal with that challenge? billy: most say stay out of the way and let her do what she wants to do, but it is difficult for her to get to the average new hampshire people, but that's what she wants to do, and i think that is what she's doing, and acting she will do it in her own way, which is wonderful. she had some great anecdotal stories she told us last night of the people she met and issues she faced. i also believe that is something you have to learn. in terms when you are in the ivory towers, you do not understand what is going on with the daily lives of the average people, and she needs to have that information. she understands she has to have it, and she is going out and getting it, which i think is wonderful. >> a bunch of republicans who would like to be president were in nashua this weekend addressing a republican party event. which of the republican would be candidates would be the most forgettable in a general election not just in new hampshire, but nationally? billy: i think toughest would be jeb bush.

>> y? billy: because i think he has the experience. i think he is polished. i think he knows how to run a campaign. i think he has name recognition, and i think he would be the toughest one. john: john asked -- mark asked you if hillary would do better against a tougher opponent cannot. how would you describe her current attitude towards the press? billy: i think she's ok with it. she had a real comfort level last night when we were talking, and ease about her, and she is very comfortable in her skin. she knows what she has to do. she knows it will be a tough fight. she's not taking this thing for granted. she wants to meet people, build an organization, and i can tell you in that room last night where -- were obama people,

clinton people, and everyone came out of that room thinking "brief really got somebody here -- "we've really got somebody here." she is ready. the obama people said they really did appreciate what senator clinton did, not only after she left the primary, to come back in and work as hard as she did for the president and then turn around and become secretary of state -- that is the mark of a very classy, classy person. john: she and her husband and i pretty sure you've thought she was helpless with tougher standard in 2008 than her opponent, president obama. do you think that as she heads in a 2016 -- is it your belief she is held to a higher standard than other potential presidential or actual presidential candidates? billy: no. she will have to earn it one vote at a time. i think she understands that and she will do what she has to do to present the best campaign

she can present and direct the issues that she believes the country needs right now, and i think that's what this is about. she has not changed at all. she is still the same person. if you asked her on 10 different items or issues what she stands on, i could tell you what they are without listening to her. i know how she feels about increasing wages. i know how she feels about equal pay. i know how she feels about copperheads of immigration reform. i know how she feels about trade . -- i know how she feels about comprehensive immigration reform. john: how do she feel about the keystone pipeline? billy: that, i do not know. that's probably the 10th one i do not know. i know she is concerned about global warming. john: you know her as a likable and warm person. does she come across like that on television, and if not, why not? billy: i cannot answer that. when i see hillary, i see a person i spent a lot of time

with that really cares about this country and really wants to make a difference and she's not doing this for herself. mark: but when you watch her on television does she seem like the same person or a different person? billy: to me, it's the same but that's probably biased. i equip her a lot like my wife. they have the same kind of integrity in what they want to do in this world, and it has nothing to do with themselves. it has to do with what they can do for other people. john: a second ago you said you know where she stands on trade. she was asked about the tpp and i do not know where she stands on that trade agreement. where do you think she stands on that? billy: here's what i think. she understands that we have to deal with the plight of the middle class. we have to rebuild the middle class and retain good jobs over here, good-paying jobs over here, and we have to tax people who are taking jobs away run this country.

when it comes down to that, she's going to vote the right way and support the right issues because she is really a fighter for the middle class. those jobs belong to the middle class. john: you said a second ago you knew where she stood on trade. do you know where she stands on this deal or not? billy: i do not know where she stands on that particular deal. mark: where do you stand on the giant number of illegal video poker machines in the basement of every tavern in new hampshire yet the billy: we are trying to pass that right now so we can get that tax money. mark: you think they should be there but heavily taxed? billy: reasonably tax. john: thanks billy, for doing this. after the break, a clinton eclipse -- hillary bill at the same time. we'll be right back. ♪

mark: this morning, we got it good look at what economists call a total eclipse of the clinton heart when hillary and bill are speaking at the same time, making it difficult to decide who to watch on your screen. bill clinton spoke at his alma mater while hillary clinton held a so-called roundtable. she spent most of the time talking about job training and manufacturing, but at one point she addressed a topic that has already become a major part of her early campaign stump speech -- money in politics. hillary clinton: we also have to get unaccountable money out of our political system. that has been made really difficult because of recent supreme court decisions. a president can appoint different justices. obviously, that's part of the job, but it may take a constitutional amendment to once and for all they know

unaccountable corporate billionaire money flowing into our political system. we need to get back to one person, one vote and try to figure out how best to manage that in the future. mark: our college and a for edge was covering hillary clinton in iowa. and over the last couple of days in new hampshire. -- our colleague jennifer epstein. we asked what the rollout has been like so far. jennifer: in these roundtables, we're hearing a lot of the same kinds of things about economic competitiveness, about giving workers the right kind of training for the jobs of the future. i think that that will continue. this is not really to make a lot of news in these events. it's much more about reaching out to voters, showing for the local audience, local media that she is back in these states that she is paying attention that she wants to hear from voters, she wants to know what matters to them, and she will

take it into account as she moves forward. mark: meanwhile, bill clinton made it clear that no one is his family is, as we say in new hampshire, a quittah. bill clinton: i had an unusual upbringing but i was raised not to quit. we are not quitters in the clinton family. you may have noticed that. mark: our colleague was at that event. there was a cutaway of the crowd. i have been a bill clinton events in that room, and i know there's always a certain amount of electricity. what was it like for that event? margaret: same kind of deal. i talked to one student who was such a bill -- such a big bill clinton fan he got in line at 5:30 in the morning just in case he was going to have trouble later that day. there were two in the room -- one were students who maybe they were in the foreign service just admirers of politics and history, and they wanted to see clinton for themselves, and the other what all the clinton alum

a roomful of people who had been with him since he gave his first speech there in 1991, part of the new covenant address. they got the whole band back together. mark: do they seem enthused about hillary's campaign, or are they mostly there on a nostalgia trip? margaret: they absolutely seemed enthused, although a little bit resident to talk about it. you ask questions about 2016 and they were trying to stay very hard on message and saying very little. i talked to the former ambassador," for not of hillary clinton, and she said everybody here wants to help. mark: according to the telecopier you have two other little tidbits about the clinton

campaign. margaret: there are two other things. one is that there was a briefing today for hillary clinton supporters. we are still learning details about it. it was at a private home. a lot of the talking points we've heard before but this is again, to get early backers amped up. the second was that hillary herself will be a georgetown tomorrow but do not expect coverage like today. this is a private address. we hope to get a little bit of a glimpse, but this was a private address that the ambassador told me have been worked out before the launch of the campaign. john: margaret, we expect you to be in that room. thank you both for joining us. when we come back, we have some news concerning the speaker of the house, john boehner, after this. ♪

john: guess what?

john boehner, speaker of the house, is going to be on this show on thursday. mark: looking forward to it. up next, here is "taking stock." thank you for watching, and we say to you sayonara. ♪

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