>> good evening and happy mardi gras. i'm bobby jindal. mark: have the mega seinfeld hulu day -- in our show about nothing clinton's bizarre volunteer and first, the summer of bobby. governor bobby jindal will announce he's running for

president. he's 44 years old and took office in 2008. he was the country's first indian-american governor and louisiana's first nonwhite governor. but he's mired in that last place in the republican race. what's the best case scenario for his candidacy? mark: everyone who knows him things on paper he is great. he's going to have to perform like he's never performed before. he's going to have to hope for a lot of luck both the religious conservatives lane and other lanes fail. john: he is smart, just in part of just -- just as far as pure candlepower. at that has not translated into stature. that clip we have showed has in

some ways wanted him. that one, he got swallowed by the stage and he has never really come back. now he's running as the guy who's not like the one we know in private. he's running as a harder edged conservative. best case scenario for me is somehow, some of the luck you are hoping for gets on the stage but i just don't see it happening for him. mark: he has to get to second-tier candidate because he's a third tier candidate and you could argue a fourth tier candidate. he needs to show the kind of fortitude and brainpower and intellectual dexterity got him elected governor of louisiana and got him a series of jobs in his life well ahead of the normal schedule of the normal human being. john: in every job he had, he performed well. his problem right now, something

we wrote about in our scouting report, his approval rating is about 30%, which is horrible. and louisiana as a small state. it may be the worst performing state in the union. so to be the most unpopular governor from least good performing state is a bad place to be running from. john: and it all starts tonight. ted cruz spoke at a heritage event in washington. he tried to sell like a candidate who sounded nothing like he had anything to do with washing in. the secret word is cartel. senator cruz: if you see a candidate washington embraces run and hide. the only people we nominate are the people who never take on the washington cartel. if you have never taken on the washington cartel you are not magically going to start a new office. mark: so he has been getting high marks for his recent

speeches, but he does not appear to be catching on to early states hovering around 5% in recent polls. but he's not alone in having trouble catching on. those he and rand paul have had trouble reaching double digits. meanwhile, marco rubio has been on the rise and is getting more buzz. have they hit the ceiling or are they hiding their time till february? john: no and no. i don't think they are biding their time. they have stalled a little bit. neither one has capitalized on what were relatively good announcements. they are now not in a top tier. a few months ago, we would have said walker jeb bush and marco rubio were joined by those two, but they've fallen into the second year. i think they have growth potential. but right now, they are not on an upward trajectory. mark: i think they are focused more on organizing.

in iowa, you want to organize and get hot again. these are guys who can get hot and they are organizing. i think despite the fact that i get asked all the time where are they, why aren't they doing well ? i think they are both in this. john: you look at them both -- ted cruz is though one closest to the ceiling. i find it hard to think even with the money he's got in the super pac that he will be a top-tier candidate when we get to january or february. paul, although he's a stronger character then rand paul -- rand paul is the weaker candidate but has the most potential because he's the most unique candidate in the field. that could open doors to him that are not available to other republicans. mark: ted cruz i still think has a capacity to be very -- even of

use a senator, talking about how washington is corrupt he can strike a lot of cords with that. what these guys have in common is they are not afraid to throw elbows. some people throw elbows and miss. these guys will hit. mark: speaking of polls, donald trump did pretty well in a poll this week, getting 11%, behind only jeb bush. let's let the cable news posts take it from here with their patent mixture of disgust, joy and sarcasm. >> trump rising. >> donald trump surging in the polls. >> donald trump is performing surprisingly well. >> only the donald is not surprised. >> the candidate all the candidates try to dismiss just went into second place. >> donald trump managed to take second place. >> sector plays at 11%. >> what say you about this most

shocking development that has the political world in tutors -- in tutors? >> it's june. they've been out on the docks. who are you voting for? i'm voting for donald trump. john: regardless of tone that face of befuddlement, they are all surprised. why is everyone so surprised? mark: i'm with lewis black. i'm not surprised at all. trump himself told me and others that when people believed he would run, his numbers would do better. i'm not sure that's exactly right. it is name id, but he has a following and he has been to new hampshire plenty. he's been more than some of the so-called more serious candidates and people underestimate the extent to which as he drives the message there will be people who will support him. i'm not sure he will get 10% in

the end, but right now, i'm not surprised. mark: he's got to stop wearing a blue blazer. you and i are both old and crotchety enough to remember pat buchanan in new hampshire. there is a core on the republican side of the new hampshire electorate taking for this message this somewhat xenophobia can -- xenophobia can -- that is pat buchanan with more interesting here. that's all it is. there are people in new hampshire who want to hear it. john: don't be surprised if he continues to perform very well. a former braced and graduate of pratt institute said she applied for a fellowship on hillary clinton's campaign and got the job. that she found out it was unpaid. she says hillary clinton should pay her interns if she's talking

about higher income. is that valid? mark: if john: -- if there was some chicanery here where they were not transparent about other was unpaid, that's a problem. but it is the case that political campaigns run on volunteer label -- involved -- volunteer labor and unpaid intern labor. they've done unpaid internships in their lives to gain valuable work experience. i don't think there's any way in which that indentured servitude, which is what she called it in her op-ed -- if she wants the job, do it and shut up or don't apply for the job in the most -- in the first place. john: there has been a trend in court cases to say unpaid

interns are exploited labor and if she wanted to go the extra mile, she should figure out a way to have people who are contributing and obviously this woman has the option to not do this. john: when you enter into a contract and the terms are unclear, do not be exploited. you have walked in the door. if you sign on the dotted line you are getting something out of it. i know i did when i was in an paid intern in this business 25 years ago. mark: i like that she wrote in that she still going to vote for hillary. john: coming up, schools out for the summer and we've got your book superlative's of the 2016 candidates presented by a republican stupor strategist right after this. -- super strategist right after this. ♪

mark: our guest tonight is a super strategist and all-around

good person. thanks for coming in. we're going to talk about the republican field but we want to get your thoughts on the -- on bobby jindal and his prospects as the republican nominee. guest: everybody says he is kind of fading out not fading and. i might not disagree with that. i think he'd tried to be kind of clever with his security video. something you see in the hidden camera, but i think he had a better prospect last time around and now he's got to do something fairly exciting to come back. john: we were trying to come of with a gimmick, some cut of clever contrivance. you're not working for any republican. we will -- we put you in the

position of being the yearbook editor and wanted to do who is the most likely to ask. the most likely to win iowa -- i will say you were not decisive. you picked for potential winners. guest: the problem with iowa and the beauty of iowa are all of these personal things. i picked rubio because his campaign is the most nose to the grindstone and grassroots oriented. keeping their powder dry and doing the stuff you have to do. mark: people say he's got a low burn rate so far. guest: rand paul, they are hard-core. jeb has a lot to do but he is the front runner overall so you have to give him some hope. i think the most normal

conservatives right-wing guy is -- is walker. they are my people. john: most likely to win -- you picked jeb bush. and rand paul. >> ease likely not crazy version of his dad. -- he is like the not crazy version of his dad. the ones that they don't have to call back -- crazy attack ads. who is that? -- john: most likely to skip a primary caucus?

guest: i think that will probably go to chris christie. he's got the staff that does the clever stuff. maybe he doesn't go to iowa. he's been out there and has been pretty tight. donald trump will be the one i who says i do everything differently. i'm going to blow them off and wait for california. mark: we asked you for a mean girl and a fun girl -- the one who is most likely to not know that they even ran. explain why you picked lindsey graham and john kasich. guest: it seems pretty obvious. mark: he's the governor of ohio. why will he disappear? guest: he's like those of us in

politics in the 90's loved him because he's that guy but in the 2000s, is he that guy? there are 15 guys up there. john: there are a lot of people in your party who would say john kasich be a top-tier candidate and should guest: be the nominee. guest:-- and be the nominee. guest: unless he makes an enormous amount of money and get to do that top-tier soon, same with the tacky, great guy. john: we asked you to -- mark: we asked you to name the biggest flirt and your answer will be a surprise. guest: it's got to be donald trump. look at who he is married to. the guy looks like that and is married to beautiful supermodels. you tell me. mark: the serious question is

most likely to succeed, who are the most likely nominees? guest: you have to hope that jeb keeps the humongous organization he has running smoothly and stays in the front. you've got to look at him as the candidate everybody wants to get there. walker, again, think a governor's skills -- john: you think he's less likely than walker and bush? guest: governors have a bully pulpit like a president. senators have to do something outrageous to get noticed. if he is doing his due diligence, it's a lot about the teams in the grassroots in the operation. if his operation is running as people are saying and is building slowly, he may be the

guy. mark: a quick plug -- our bobby jindal live stream goes on in just a few minutes. more in just a moment after a word from our sponsors. ♪

john: we are back with our yearbook editor in chief. the big story this week has been the confederate flag in south carolina. suddenly, the train has left the station and everyone agrees the confederate flag should come down everywhere. you have a client in mississippi who came out, roger wicker, who said he wants the flag to change. how did this happen? the easy answer is the shooting crystallized things. at the republican party has moved really swiftly. talk about the dynamics there. guest: i do get one of those things that is growing old with

age. nikki haley is a young, very aggressive courageous republican. she has not been particularly impassioned about getting rid of the flag. she doesn't shy away from doing what you have to do to do the right thing. i think her going ahead and doing it and having the popularity she has, just opens the door to say as the republican party, we are going to go ahead and get rid of this. i think that's fine. having the righteous thing to nation that some people have come up with recently may be put on for the moment, but you cannot deny lives were taken and it brings up some emotions. why not take the opportunity to do it. john: do you not think the expedience -- the republicans look around and said we have to get this issue off the table. if we are going to be asked about this for the rest of the cycle let's just fall in line

so we don't have to talk about it anymore. guest: why are we talking about it? people don't have jobs, schools need reforming, things the republican party can do well economically and even emotionally. why are we wasting time on something like this? it has meaning for a small amount of people who still fight that war, but at the end of the day, is it going to get some when are close to a job? mark: i think it had meaning for the person who went in and shot up that church. guest: and that is terrible and horrible and should ring at the issue of the underlying problems that are there. but over the course of an election, is this what we want to be talking about or should we talk about how we get that guy a job? mark: on most social issues, once i'd usually gains favor and

then will switch back a little bit. gay marriage a lot of conservatives are fighting that fight. is this issue now over? is it going to move toward getting rid of the confederate flag as part of public life? guest: i think it will. gay marriage and life have moral roots and issues with caring about the life of a human being, caring about a religious belief. where do you put the flag and that continuum? the flag is a symbol of the old south. where do someone go to church and say i want to keep the confederate flag because. what's the end of that sentence? that's a good indicator that if you can't answer that question and make a passion speech of why you want it, why would stick around? mark: can you think of a place

or a client where they said i want to keep defending the flag you wouldn't try to talk them out of it? guest: i don't try to talk my client in or out of any decision. mark: if someone said that's the position i want to a take, what would you tell them? guest: i would say there's something more important to talk about. john: i'm curious as to whether you see a parallel between this and gay marriage. i imagine one year from now could -- republicans will look at this confederate flag thing -- will it be the same thing with gay marriage? guest: with gay marriage, there are religious underpinnings that don't resist -- that don't exist like they do with the flag. you have people who have been part of a faith their entire life to say the confederate flag is the thing to a flying over your house. i don't think you have people who believe in a particular set of values that will stick with

that and that will make it harder and different. mark: the republican party has brought up cyber security. is that a strong issue for republicans to talk about? guest: it's a smart issue. if we want to be a party of smart issues, let's talk about it. my power went out last night and i had the shakes because i couldn't do anything. the fact that everything we do -- mark: we will see you on our bloomberg politics live stream shortly. make sure you sign are your books before we go. when we come back our favorite "seinfeld" moment after this. ♪

john: julio is hosting every episode of seinfeld. we got bernie sanders to clear up whether he did view voice for george steinbrenner. senator sanders: it struck me

that it could be the greatest thing to happen to this organization. mark: member to get your kicks here tomorrow. remember you are so good-looking. -rf. -- sayonara. ♪

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