phil: all we are saying is give peas a chance. that is good. happy independence day weekend america. happy weekend to our special cohost, the father of our country. hey george. money, music, and momentum. first, a movement? bernie sanders is not just a

name. this was the scene last night. this was not a grateful dead concert. >> tonight we have more people at a meeting for a candidate for president of the united states than any other candidates had. thank you. >> crowds like that are causing some to say that bernie is starting to look a little like obama 2007. my question to george and phil, is that legit? phil: i'm going to disagree with george. it is not. it is sacrilegious. three reasons why. money, staff, strategy. $15 million today. nothing to sneeze at. hillary clinton has an and team in states across the country that are pulling out data. bernie sanders has a smaller

team. strategy, tell me what he does after new hampshire. that is what barack obama was able to do. >> those are legitimate reasons but none of them are right. you are off in the weeds. let's get to the core issue demographics. barack obama was about demographics. he appealed to the london -- to a lot of the same people left progressives, college students people in berkeley california, cambridge. he also appealed to african-americans by overwhelming numbers. 95% in every state. if not for that, hillary clinton would have been the democratic nominee. that is something bernie sanders, whatever happens, eight going to happen -- ain't going to happen.

he is lucky if he breaks 10% of the african-american vote. phil: 10,000 people is impressive. what he has been doing is impressive. those are cities where people turn out. madison is not a normal city. look at the crowd. a great crowd. not diverse. that is not the crowd you win in democratic primaries. john: hillary clinton should be concerned someone else is drawing 15,000 people. it is not her. she raised a lot of cash yesterday. there are reports of some anxiety among mega donors. why? the big money folks have a fever and the only prescription is more big dog. the thing is, bill clinton is going to wait until the fall to get out there. his bill clinton the cure for wh at ails priorities? john: he is often the cure for

any situation politically speaking. he is a huge draw on the fund-raising circuit. but there is a problem they have. the same problem they had in 2012, rich democrats do not like super pac's. in practice they don't like it. they are not going to like that under any circumstances. democrats are always going to be behind in super pac fundraising for those reasons. bill clinton can help. he can't solve the problem. phil: here is my question, doesn't it this helps them when stories come out about how they are not going to be able to raise money? isn't that helping them raise money? these are good stories. you scare democrats into donating. john: you know what happens

priorities did not raise money for all of 2011 and for most of 2012 because a lot of democrats dismissed the republicans as a clown show. when mitt romney became the nominee and got closer to obama, that scared donors to start writing the checks. my point is to say if they -- the best thing is the motivation of fear, jeb bush is raising a lot of money? he could be the next president. that will cause democrats, rich liberals, to open their check books. phil: there has been a shakeup a lot of top talent has come in. soft to the problem? -- solved the problem? john: our friend is in there. guy is not a fundraising

machine. he can help, but not solve the problem. scott walker's people have announced their mountain will announce on july 13. in two weeks, you can walk to see walker in waukesha. that coincides with president obama's visit today where walker greeted him on the tarmac and obama took a shot at him. his potential has always been rooted in his ability to appeal to the conservative grassroots and the gop establishment. with his lunges to the right like gay marriage and integrate -- immigration, some are wondering if he is going to lose the general election to win the primary. his walker in danger of squandering his crossover appeal? phil: no. as long as you can say i won a purple state when everybody was

dumping everything they had on him, one of the bigger issue right now is on the donor's side. we have seen it. there are big republican donors on gay marriage, immigration, that would really like him to ratchet it back. he is not. their money go somewhere else. john: he is the leader in iowa. he knows the key to him becoming the nominee is to get the win on the board in iowa first. he has defensive game right now to try to hold iowa secure. lock it down. the bush people think he is getting away with murder. it is frustrating. we think rubio is a threat. the bush people see walker as a threat. right now they feel like he is getting a pass on all of these lunges to be right and his crossover appeal remains intact. they don't think it should.

they're going to try to knock it down. phil: there is a feeling rubio is the top guy. you agree with that? john: everywhere but in jeb worlds that is true. in fact right now, the focus is on walker. phil: rick perry met with the press today. and on the eve of the eve of july 4, he dropped a reference to the great uniter, the emancipator. rick perry: republicans have much to do to earn the trust of african-americans. for too long, we republicans have been content to lose the black vote. we found we did not need it to win. when we gave up trying to win the support of african-americans , we lost our moral legitimacy.

as the party of lincoln. phil: why is rp pretending to be another rp, rand paul? john: george? quiet today. the events of recent days has put a premium on republicans trying to deal with the issue with race. that is one contextual thing. it is also the case rick perry, a guy who had a problem in 2008 with a rock near his family's compound, which used to the "n" word, that came up in a previous campaign. rick perry does not want that to come up again. he is trying to inoculate himself. it is a moment of high racial sensitivity. he got hit hard last time. he might be in for it again. phil: there is an interesting

point. decriminalize marijuana. criminal justice reform, making this an issue, which democrats have glommed on to. i have never seen him focus on it in such a way right now. it is interesting if he will pursue this given what everybody is focused on nationally. john: the following graphic is a little psychedelic. just ask the nearest hit. -- hippie. everyone loves the grateful dead. the important question pollsters finally asked on their farewell tour, we explain this phenomenon on our website. "the dead songs are about freedom." drugs aside, what is it that makes the dead uniter's? phil: i was going to stick with

drugs. i would preface this by saying the grateful dead, my face was sixth in seventh grade. phish phish and widespread panic replace them. i actually thought the piece had a decent take on it which was they were not a political band. they were a band you could lose yourself in and enjoy. john: people think of them as a rock band. a lot of what they were was a combination of a country blues. a lot of influences. you could hear strains of music in the dead that is very country-is. that is republican music. there is a lot to be said for the freedom and that this is also music that is not a bond guard like lou -- avant garde

like lou reed. some press record -- some press secretary quotes. it will be hilarious. i promise. after this. ♪

john: we are here with matt walsh. you are the press secretary on "veep." you completed your fourth season. the consensus is the show has gotten better and better. it has gotten meaner, more incisive funnier, more clear eyed about what washington is like. how do you keep buildings on the quality? it seems like every time you set the bar, you have to set it higher because the thing keeps getting better.

i'm shocked by that degree of incremental -- matt: you are jinxes us. one thing they do well on our show, if i can brag, it is surprising, they are good at keeping the audience guessing where this is headed. it is not just plot twists but the delivery system of coverage and the things that stay to our the brutal insults and the way -- stay true are the brutal insults and the way washington is portrayed. and i think the characters, my perspective is one character, everybody's characters get more defined and i also think the chemistry gets better between the actors. the process informs that. we do a lot of improv in rehearsal.

we get to add jokes or pitch ideas and the writers go away and they will make the next draft reflected that. john: how much research did you do? any? matt: i get a fair amount. every season i need another one. speak with them. john: what is the best piece of advice you got from any of them? matt: the funniest part of your job. who is an awful person you were forced to deal with? or a funny situation. the device, i don't know i got advice from many of them. i try to capture the job. you want to go out with their assistants late-night and find out what happens behind the cameras. john: you want to be amount -- to be able to maintain plausible deny the. >> the president signs this one.

>> that is a capital offense. >> you could be electrocuted for that. >> i am not here. john: you have a sense that is how press secretaries are as well? mat:t: i think that is true. be told what you're supposed to be told. you do not want to get involved. you are going to be asked questions and you can't lie to the public like that. john: all the time. you can lie sometimes. one advisor says it is the most authentic about washington, d.c. i think a lot of people feel the same way. is that a goal of the show? do you want to be authentic or try to be funny? matt: ultimately it has to be funny. when they did their initial

tours for the pilot, they wanted that -- no one has a desk. there are people doing computer stuff in this chair, that chair. they did not want to "west wing" it up. from day one, they wanted to base it in that reality. obviously we say funnier things than real life people would say. we are more eloquent. john: and more profane. scatological. matt: we are probably more profane. john: we put together we have been struck by the number of things mike says from the podium. some of which some things you say are absurd. i'm going to quiz you right now on who said it.

mike or someone else. are you ready? matt: thank you for doing your homework. john: press secretary a, answer the question, his answer was, he said i could be making that up. to a reporter. matt: mike has never said that. john: jay carney once said that. another one. a big crowd today. did something important happen i missing? matt: mike. first press conference. they're excited. john: great. "i've got a couple margaritas getting warm right now." not mike. robert gibbs. the idea of margaritas warming up. the next one.

a press secretary said, see yesterdays nonresponse. matt: ooh. i could see mike saying that. i don't remember saying that. if i had to pick i'm going to say mike. john: no! something he might have said. again jay carney said that. a master of absurdist quips. any questions? why are you so damn handsome? a member of a line. in response to a question, the president won't tell me. matt: real. john: jay carney. he is a repeat offender. finally --

matt walsh, you're the best. we will be right back. ♪

>> republicans like the grateful dead philosophy. >> this is something i've learned. some candidates will be investing in tie-dyed shirts right now. at some point hippies grow up and they realize taxes are too high and they don't want the government involved. i think that is what we are seeing with this. john: whatever it is, like fox news, we are trying to figure out how to tie the grateful dead and politics together. that is when we called van foerster, a huge debt had. and he has some off the rack to -- dead head.

and he has some off the rack advice to give. take it away. >> van here, getting ready for the grateful dead farewell tour. it turns out democrats and republicans love the grateful dead. they love them. i've got some advice for you. 2016 presidential hopefuls. check it out. ♪ rich man step on my poor head ♪ tennessee jeb. stuff that in your super pac. i've got one for donald trump. ♪ a friend of the donald is a friend of mine ♪ feel free to use that. i've got one for john kasich. ♪ the first days are the hardest days, don't you worry about the polls ♪ you can do it. run for president! ♪ some look for answers ♪

that's an opening, rand paul. let's take it even further. get it? hillary clinton. ♪ every silver lining's got a touch of gray ♪ and for bernie sanders. i will see you at the show buddy. see you there. feel free to use any of this advice no charge at all. anything for the dead. long-lived jerry. john: american hero. we will be back with one of the worst news dumps ever.

john: one last piece of news, he announced he is running for president this afternoon on the world wide web. a couple of hours before everybody took off for their holiday weekend. this is an interesting strategy. do you think it is the strategy of a winning campaign? john: jim webb think about his resume, vietnam veteran. reagan administration. secretary of the navy. one term senator from virginia. but this announcement tells you everything you need to know about why you can't take him seriously. two days ago his spokespeople were telling us he has no plans to announce. two days later, out of nowhere, you get a posting. not a video or an event. just a piece of writing on a website.

there is a flakiness to that. next week. richard haas. until then, happy fourth and sayonara. ♪

alix: we are moments away from the closing bell. i'm alix steel. joe: and i'm joe weisenthal. [closing bell ringing] alix: we've got some cheers there. stocks are falling ahead of greece's referendum. the dollar declined. the jobs report fueling doubts about the timing of higher interest rates. joe: the question is, what did you miss? there is a ton going on today. mixed result in today's unemployment number. we dive inside the data. alix: and th