phil: i'm phil had -- phil mattingly. john: and on john heilemann. with all due respect to president obama, all we are saying is give peas a chance. ♪ john: that is good. happy independence day weekend america. happy independence day weekend to our special co-host, the father of our country. hey, george. on the show tonight, money music, and momentum. first, a movement? bernie sanders is not just a name. this was the scene last night

and madison, wisconsin, and no this was not a grateful dead concert. senator sanders: tonight we have more people at a meeting for a candidate for president of the united states than any other candidate has had in 2016. thank you. john: crowds like that are causing some to say that bernie 2015 is starting to look a little like obama 2007. my question to george washington and phil mattingly is, is that legitimate? george? phil: i'm going to disagree with george. even though he was somewhat quiet. it is not. three reasons why. money, staff, strategy. $15 million raised today. nothing to sneeze at. staff -- hillary clinton has an enormous team in states across the country that are pulling out data. bernie sanders has a smaller

team. strategy, tell me what he does after new hampshire. tell me how he gets delegates. that is what barack obama was able to do. al:john: those are legitimate reasons, but none of them are right. you are off in the weeds. let's get to the core issue, demographics. barack obama winning the democratic nomination in 2008 was about demographics. he appealed to a lot of the same people that bernie sanders appeals to -- left progressives, college students people in berkeley, california cambridge. he also appealed to african-americans by overwhelming numbers. 90%-95% in every state. if not for that, hillary clinton would have been the democratic nominee. that is something bernie sanders, whatever happens, ain't going to happen for him. he is lucky if he breaks 10% of the african-american vote.

hillary clinton is very strong there. phil: 10,000 people is impressive. what he has been doing is impressive. those are cities where those types of people turn out. madison is not a normal city. not a normal american city. look at the crowd. a great crowd. not a governor's crowd. -- not diverse. that is not the crowd you win in democratic primaries. john: hillary clinton should be concerned someone else is drawing 15,000 people. it is not her. phil: speaking of, hillary clinton announced that she raised a lot of cash yesterday. there are reports of some anxiety among mega donors. it's related primarily to the pro-clinton super pac, priorities usa. why? the big money folks have a fever and the only prescription is more big dog. the thing is, bill clinton is going to wait until the fall to get out there. john is bill clinton the cure for what ails priorities? john: my view about bill clinton

is he is often the cure for any situation politically speaking. he is a huge draw on the fund-raising circuit. he can raise a lot of money. but there is a problem they have. the same problem they had in 2012, rich democrats do not like super pac's. on principle but don't like it. in practice they don't like it. they are not going to like that under any circumstances. bill clinton will not change their mind. democrats are always going to be behind in super pac fundraising for those reasons. i think bill clinton can help. but he can't solve the problem. phil: one of my questions -- part of this is based on a story in political oh -- in politico -- doesn't it this helps them when stories come out about how they are not going to be able to raise money? isn't that helping them raise money? these are good stories. you scare democrats into donating on some level.

john: you know what happens, priorities did not raise money for all of 2011 and for most of 2012, because a lot of democrats dismissed the republicans as a clown show. but, when mitt romney became the nominee and got closer to obama, that scare democratic donors to start writing the checks. my point -- the best thing they can have is the motivation of fear. jeb bush is raising a lot of money? he could be the next president. that will cause democrats, rich liberals, to open their check books and do what they find unpalatable. phil: there has been a shakeup a lot of top talent has come in. solved the problem? john: our friend cecil is in there. guy is not a fundraising machine. the question is, i think he can help, but not solve the problem. scott walker's people have

officially announced that their man will officially announce on july 13. in two weeks, you can walk to see walker in waukesha. that announcement coincides with president obama's visit to wisconsin today where walker greeted him on the tarmac and obama took a shot at him. walker's's potential as a candidate has always been rooted in his ability to appeal to the conservative grassroots and the gop establishment. with his recent lunges to the right on social and cultural issues, like gay marriage and immigration, some are wondering if he is going to lose the -- willing to lose the general election to win the primary. is walker in danger of squandering his crossover appeal? phil: probably know. as long as you can say i won a purple state three times in four

years, when all those democrats were dumping everything they had on him, that will always be a big thing. one of the bigger issues right now is on the donor's side. we have seen it. there are big republican donors on gay marriage, immigration that would really like him to ratchet it back. he is not. their money goes somewhere else. john: he is the leader in iowa. the front runner incontestable. he knows the key to him becoming the nominee is to get the win on the board in iowa first. he is playing a defensive game right now to try to hold iowa secure. -- hold iowa, secure it lock it down. the bush people think he is getting away with murder. it is frustrating. we think rubio is bush's biggest threat. but the bush people see walker as a threat. right now they feel like he is getting a pass on all of these lunges to the right and his

crossover appeal remains intact. they don't think it should. they're going to try to knock it down. phil: there is a feeling rubio is the top guy the bush team is concerned about. you agree with that? john: everywhere but in jeb world that is true. in fact right now, the focus is on walker. phil: rick perry met with the press today. specifically the national press club. and on the eve of the eve of july 4, he dropped a reference to the great uniter, the great emancipator. rick perry: i know republicans have much to do to earn the trust of african-americans. for too long, we republicans have been content to lose the black vote. we found we did not need it to win. but when we gave up trying to win the support of african-americans, we lost our moral legitimacy. as the party of lincoln.

phil: why is rp pretending to be another rp, rand paul? john: the events of recent days has put a premium on republicans trying to deal with the issue with race. that is one contextual thing. it is also the case that rick perry, a guy who had a problem in 2008 with a rock near his family's rural compound which used the and followed by "head" that came up in a previous campaign. rick perry does not want that to come up again. he is trying to inoculate himself. it is a moment of high racial sensitivity. he got hit for it hard last time. he might be in for it again. trying to get in front of that.

phil: he decriminalized marijuana. criminal justice reform, making this an issue, which democrats have glommed on to. he has the record to back this up. i have just never seen him focus on it in such a way right now. it is interesting if he will continue to pursue this, given what everybody is focused on nationally. john: do not adjust your tv sets -- the following graphic is a little psychedelic. just ask the nearest hippie. everyone loves the grateful dead by big margins. this is the important question pollsters finally asked on their farewell to her. will leitch explains this phenomenon on our website. "the dead songs are about freedom." phil, drugs aside, what is it

that makes the daddy uniter's and not dividers? phil: i was going to stick with drugs. i would preface this by saying the grateful dead, my phase was in sixth in seventh grade. i moved on to phish and widespread panic. i don't want to steal this from you. i had my moment. i actually thought will's piece had a decent take on it, which was they were not a political band. they were a band you could lose yourself in and enjoy. john: people think of them as a rock band. a lot of what they were was a common nation of country and blues. there are a lot of influences in there. you could hear strains of music in the dead that is very country-ish. that is republican music. there is a lot to be said for the freedom saying, but this is also music that is not avant-garde like lou reed.

not the same kind of thing. coming up, an interview with the white house press secretary. from me. i will read him some press secretary quotes and decide which are real. it will be hilarious. i promise. after this. ♪

john: we are here with matt walsh. he is in the hall of fame of white house press secretary's, even though he has not tell the job in real life. you are the press secretary on "veep." you completed your fourth season. the consensus is the show has gotten better and better. it has gotten meaner, more incisive, funnier, more clear -i -- clear-eyed about what washington is like. how do you keep buildings on the quality? it seems like every time you set the bar, you have to set it a little bit higher, because the thing keeps getting better.

i'm shocked by that degree of incremental -- matt: you are jinxing us. i think one thing they do well on our show, if i can brag, it is surprising, they are good at keeping the audience guessing where this is headed. it is not just plot twists, but just the delivery system of coverage and the things that stay true are the brutal insults and the way washington is portrayed. it is honestly, not flatteringly, portrayed. and i think the characters, my perspective is one character everybody's characters get more defined, and i also think the chemistry gets better between the actors. the process informs that. we do a lot of improv in the rehearsal room, so we get to

add jokes or pitch ideas and the writers go away and they will take notes. john: how much research did you do? any? matt: i did. i wasn't totally lazy. i get a fair amount. every season i need another one. john: what is the best piece of advice you got? matt: i just go for what is the funniest part of your job. like, who is an awful person you were forced to deal with? or a funny situation. advice wise, i don't know i got advice from many of them. i try to capture the nature of the job. you want to go out with their assistants late-night and find out what happens behind the cameras. john: so mike mcclintock does not want to know what is going on in the white house. he once to be able to maintain

plausible deniabilty. >> the president signs this one. he forged the president's signature on the new one. >> that is a capital offense. >> you could be electrocuted for that. >> i am not here. plausible deniability. john: do you think that is the way that actual white house breakfast -- actual white house press secretary's are? matt: i think that is true. you are supposed to be told what you're supposed to be told. you do not want to get involved. because you are going to be asked questions and you can't lie to the public like that. you can lie sometimes, but not all the time. john: one advisor says it is the most authentic show about washington, d.c. i think a lot of people feel the same way. is that actually a goal of the show? do you guys want to be authentic , or do you just want to try to be funny? matt: ultimately it has to be

funny. when they did their initial tumors of the feet -- of the vps office and the congressional office for the pilot, they wanted that -- no one has a desk. there are people doing computer stuff in this chair, that chair. they did not want to "west wing" it up. it was gritty and real. i think from day one they wanted to base it in that reality. obviously we say funnier things than real life people would say. and we are more eloquent. john: and more profane. and worse, scatological. matt: more scatological. we are probably more profane. john: we put together, we have all been struck by the number of things mike says from the podium. and things that real white house press headset from the podium. some things you say are absurd. i'm going to quiz you right now

on who said it. mike or someone else. matt: i love this. john: are you ready? press secretary -- once answered a question, and he said his answer was "yeah, i could be making that appear go matt: mike mcclintock has never said that. john: press secretary jay carney once told the white house press corps that he could be making something up. another one. a big crowd today. did something important happen i 'm missing? matt: mike mcclintock. first press conference. they're excited. john: great. here we go -- "i've got a couple margaritas getting warm right now." mike: not mike. he doesn't drink margaritas. john: robert gibbs. the next one.

a press secretary said, see yesterdays non-response. matt: ooh. i could see mike saying that. but i don't remember saying that. if i had to pick, i'm going to say mike mcclintock. john: no! that is something something he might have said. but jay carney said that. he is turning out to be a master of absurdist quips. any questions? i will do the first one myself. why are you so damn handsome? matt: mike mcclintock. john: a memorable line. in response to a question, the president won't tell me. matt: real. john: real. it's true again jay carney. , he is a repeat offender. finally we have the last quote

-- matt: mike mcclintock. john: you got that one quickly. matt walsh, you're the best. we will be right back. ♪ ♪

quakes who knew, lisa, that republicans like the grateful dead philosophy. >> >> this is something i've learned. i think there will be some republican candidates investing in tie-dyed shirts right now. at some point hippies grow up they have families, and they realize taxes are too high and they don't want the government involved. i think that is what we are seeing with this. phil: well, whatever it is, like fox news, we are trying to figure out how to tie the grateful dead and politics together. that is when we called legendary advertising expert dan -- van forrster, a huge deadhead. he just so happens to have some

off the rack advice to give. fan -- van, take it away. >> van here, getting ready for the grateful dead farewell tour. it turns out democrats and republicans love the grateful dead. they just love them. i've got some advice for you. 2016 presidential hopefuls. check it out. ♪ rich man step on my poor head ♪ van: tennessee jeb. stuff that in your super pac. i've got one for donald trump. ♪ a friend of the donald is a friend of mine ♪ feel free to use that. i've got one for john kasich. ♪ the first days are the hardest days, don't you worry about the polls ♪ uncle john's band. john kasich, you can do it, run

for president! i've got another ♪ some look for one. answers ♪ ♪ playing in the rand ♪\ that's an opening, rand paul. let's take it even further. get it? i've got one for hillary clinton. ♪ every silver lining's got a touch of gray ♪ and for bernie sanders. i will see you at the show buddy. i'll see you there. feel free to use any of this advice no charge at all. anything for the dead. long live jerry. phil: van forrester, american hero. we will be back with one of the

worst news dumps ever. ♪

phil: one last piece of news jim webb it is running for president. he announced it this afternoon on the world wide web. a couple of hours before everybody took off for their holiday weekend. john, this is an interesting strategy. do you think it is the strategy of a potentially winning campaign? john: he is a great guy on paper. think about his resume or -- his resume -- two purple hearts, a vietnam veteran. reagan administration. secretary of the navy. but this announcement tells you everything you need to know about why you can't take him seriously. two days ago his spokespeople were telling us he has no plans to announce. now two days later, out of nowhere, you get a posting. not a video or an event. not a speech nothing just a , piece of writing on a website.

there is a flakiness to that. that just doesn't really work. next week. the smart, funny, and sexy richard haas. until then, happy fourth and sayonara. ♪

cory: tesla reports record sales in the second quarter, why is it still falling short? ♪ cory: i'm cory johnson in for emily chang and this is "bloomberg west." yelp cancels its sales plan and the stock cries for help. one of the highest-ranking women in silicon valley abandons intel after not being named ceo, and the rise of the machine in hip-hop. we will show you a rap battle.