al: i'm al. mark: and i mark halperin. and we want to spend all of our time with jeb bush, but we want to get out of here by 5:30. ♪ mark: in tonight's superhero universe, batman, superman, and super pac-man. jeb bush has raised $14 million,

which is not as much as the $45 million that hillary clinton has raised. jeb bush has raised an average of $700,000 per day and hillary more per day. -- and hillary at $562,500 per day. al: i don't care where this hangs, this is awesome fruit. in only 16 days, dickie gephardt says that there will be money but jeb bush won't run out of money. this was thought to run all of the candidates out of the field and scare them off, this done -- this didn't work. if jeb doesn't win one of the

caucuses, that money advantage will be a lot less impressive. mark: i will say two things, my caveat is that some of the super pac donors have been restricted to the size of the checks that they have written. so i think bush will continue to swell even though he will not be able to make contribution some cell. the second thing is that i think this will go into may be april or may, but i suspect that bush and his super pac will be one or one of the few that can go the distance of the thing does go a long. al: yeah, i agree. it will be much harder. the only way another candidate will go long is if he or she wins one of those early contests and in the sugar daddies kick in. mark: and bush -- and another thing about the bush numbers is that we will see if he can keep

it up. i thought earlier in the year it was a mistake in the sense that he was traveling around the country doing super pac funding, and now he is going to have to go back to those same places and raise hard earned dollars. it i think bush, like his brother, won't have to attend nearly as many as fundraisers as others. i suspect that jeb bush is going to collect a lot of money without having to be there which is a big bush advantage. ok, there is a thing in politics called a freak show. let me give you an example. the president says something imprecisely and then everyone jumps on it. here is what gaffeman jeb bush said that in order to grow the economy "people need to work longer hours." here is the full context of what he said. jeb bush: my aspiration for the country is 4% of growth as far

as the eye can see, which means we have to be a lot more productive and it has to rise from its all-time a modern lows and people need to work longer hours and productivity gains will increase. mark: i said gaffeman and i was kidding, of course, that wasn't a gaffe. not surprisingly, liberals and democrats jumped all over bush. they made a big deal over all of this. surprisingly, somebody else jumped on jeb bush. "it would seem to me that jeb bush would want to avoid comments about the economic struggles that americans are facing. it is not that they are not working hard enough, it is that the washington cartel of career politicians, special interests and lobbyists have rigged the game against them. al: i actually think jeb bush

did make a gaffe here. economists can make -- economists can disagree about the key points here but i think putting it the way here just plays to the image of a very rich, family connected guy telling the average citizen that he has to work harder. i think it will come back to haunt jeb bush. mark: i think it will, too, but i think it won't come back as a gaffe, i think it will come back to haunt him. i just think for our political culture, people just need to be more forgiving. they have to aggressively take down a jeb bush and make him an old candidate, and i think this episode says more about bush then others. he is a classic front runner and he is going to take a lot of punches. everyone wants him to take on that dialogue.

al: let's turn to donald trump. he is taking his dues as well speaking of punching. a celebrity chef said no to trump. this is all because of what he said about mexican. he is not the ear of the establishment. reince previous called -- reince priebus said he needs to tone down his inflammatory comments. meanwhile, john mccain says that his comets were offensive. he said that there would be concerned that the mainstream republican party could not control him. mark:priebus called because he is under a lot of pressure, but in terms of these debates, but

trump plays a by his own rules and i think it is going to take, as i wrote on bloombergpolitics. com today, it is going to take another heavyweight to take him on or he will continue to do what he wants to do on a range of issues. the fact that he wants to go to immigrant -- once to go to arizona to give a speech on immigration does not indicate he will tone it down. al: you know mark, i don't think his malicious comments about immigrants are going to hurt the republican party about a year from now. able will be talking about a lot of other things. i think like most bullies he will cower and step out. but i think he is playing the racecar. -- the race card. this is what he did with the birther issue and i think that hurts the country. mark: in the and, i think one of the things that will tell here is the poll numbers. as long as he is one of the

leaders nationally in the key states, he is going to be harder to deal with and a lot harder for the press to ignore. if his numbers go down, then i think we will put what he says in perspective. we will see how his poll numbers do. al: yeah, i don't think he is a serious person and i think he has done great harm with these comments. mark: all right, before we go to break, there was some big news out there between columbia and athens and elsewhere. to get you caught up, here is our "with all due respect" wraparound coverage. >> lawmakers spent more than 13 hours debating the issue. >> it is a symbol of hate, take it off these grounds! >> the governor said she will sign a bill to take it off. >> in washington, gop house

members are pulling their support for a bill that would have upheld the right to display confederate flags in some cemeteries. >> i do not want this to become some political football game. >> despite all of the progress we have made, and it is real, some of the tough issues remain unresolved. >> the big headlines here is that a discussion will not be reached. >> the greek bailout will be brought up in the next couple of hours. >> it could be the last chance for greece to come to a deal and stay in the eurozone. mark: up next, the return of tacky -- the return of george the tacky and -- pataki and after that, we promise, batman. ♪

mark: our guest tonight is a republican presidential candidate who goes by the name george pataki. he joins us after some time on the campaign trail. governor, they queue for joining

us. governor george pataki: thank you, mark. mark: when you are talking about the comments that trump made you said they were bad and does it -- bad and divisive for the party. governor george pataki: they certainly don't help the party but as you were pointing out earlier, donald trump is donald trump. if people don't embrace that desertion, than people are going to look at the candidate as an individual when it comes to november. mark: you are a former governor of new york and i am just wondering if it comes down to accepting your offer of a debate one-on-one, what are the differences between you and donald trump? governor george pataki: i run a

major government, and politics is very different from the private sector. it is very different than investing in other people's money. you have to deal with those who disagree with you and try to bring them along and it is about results. i am very proud of the results i had as governor, both winning three times, but more importantly, changing the direction of the state. mark: before we move on, i just want to ask one of the question, are there other aspects of trump's records or statements that you would take issue with? governor george pataki: i am not interested in getting in a fight with the donald trump. his comments about mexicans were just not just unacceptable, but they were really repulsive to me. this is as a grandson of immigrants. one of the things it you do in politics or that you should do is to try to bring people together instead of trying to divide them. i want people to have a sense of identity as americans, and not

as different groups that we like or we don't like. al: governor, it is al hunt here will fox and cnn proceed when only the top 10 in the main debates and you are not in that main debate, would you participate in what is called the kiddie table debate and what would you get out of it? [laughter] governor george pataki: i am not excited about the kiddie table the manchester united said that they will have a debate the day before and i do intend to attend that. but i will tell you, august 6 is what matters. wherever we are and whatever happens a few weeks from now that doesn't concern me. you fight hard and you make the case to the american people. it is not where you start where you are in november. mark: are you in iowa -- al: would you -- mark: i am sorry, al, go ahead. al: what about the top

candidates? governor george pataki: i would hope to have the opportunity. as mark pointed out, i got elected three times in one of the bluest states in america. i left it in its best financial position and its best economic and lowest unemployment ever so i am proud to talk about that record and my vision for america and i hope i have the opportunity. mark: governor, i want to move from your day in iowa, but you mentioned the debate with the top 10 candidates, so you wouldn't participate in the other debates? governor george pataki: let's wait and see. i haven't been approached about that. we'll have to see how it is structured. i don't want to rule it out. mark: ok in iowa, when you talked to voters today, what are the three issues that voters brought up to you? governor george pataki: well because of donald trump, people are talking about immigration quite a bit. quite a bit. one part of donald's trump --

donald trump's analysis is that something i agree with, and that is closing the border, and the second is the economy. for all of the unemployment numbers, there is just a tremendous sense of it too many people are not earning enough and people are not having enough economic futures. the other would be having security against isis. we just went through the fourth of july and thankfully nothing happened. that we are at risk of attacks here in america. pray barely, it is my concern would be the greatest attack since 9/11 -- primarily, it is my concern that it would be the greatest attack since 9/11. al: governor, what would you say about the latest numbers from jeb bush today? governor george pataki: i am not sure what he announced. al: hundred $14 million within

the campaign -- $114 million within the campaign. governor george pataki: that's fine, let's see what happens between now and next november. mark: governor as we go forward here in this big field, it is obviously unpredictable, is there a chance for you to advance from the back of the pack to the top? governor george pataki: absolutely, that is why i am doing this, i believe in my vision for america, i believe the people want someone who is not going to look to divide the american people for american benefit, but unite them for the public's benefit, someone who doesn't just talk about reducing the size of the government and reducing public dependency. i want somebody who can do that and i have done that. if i were to washington, i want some but he who can win the race, and he know i can do that and i know that after i would win we could change the direction of washington even

with a difficult congress. i know i could do that. sure, i don't mind starting at the end, but i do mind finishing at the end. mark: we'll lay have time for one short answer, what is the best thing you have eaten today? governor george pataki: i didn't have corn on a stick, but i did have an ice cream cone. it was the best thing. don't tell libby. mark: governor, thank you so much. governor george pataki: thank you, mark. mark: we will be back with an interesting way that the republicans plan to challenge the white house. we will blue back -- will be back after this. ♪

al: over at our website, we have a polling analyst who has a much read story about the presidential candidates and the statewide races that they won

and lost. here to tell us about this is can goldstein -- ken goldstein. thanks for joining us ken. they all make some strong presidential candidates. ken: we are going to start out with the states that win and then the mountain states, those of the ones that republicans are going to win, that we look at california, that is what democrats will win. so they have to look at the lion share of purple states. go from john mccain to marco rubio, and say, hey, these guys have one of purple states, isn't there a chance they could win these purple states? no, but thanks for setting me up. the win is -- the when is much more important than the where. remember john kerry talking about two america's? there really is two america's

when we talk about elections, the primary elections in the maternal actions. all of the folks who won the purple states in maternal electorates, they never faced the sort of voters who decide presidential elections. al: you are making the assumptions of then that the general election turnout will be more like 2008 2012, rather than 2004. ken: i am, and even if we don't think that democrats are going to be able to replicate the electorate, which was naturally plus 6, 7 8 democratic, it is going to be more naturally for the electorate. when scott walker one in 2010 and when he won the recall in 2012 and the election in 2014, the wisconsin electorate were equally divided. when obama was winning in 2008

and 2012, it was plus 7 or plus 8 in 2014. al: i know my colleague mark halperin has some other questions to ask you. mark: ken, thanks, people can read through what you went through with al on bloomberg.com, and i want to talk about something you have been talking about all week and that is advertising and fundraising. they're going to spend about a million of dollars -- $1 million in the next couple of weeks, and how impactful can that million dollars b at this point given that there are not a lot of other political ads on the air and they have to raise a natural -- national number? ken: i think that is the key point that you just said. first of all, i am a little

skeptical about whether these ads will actually air, but the more important part is that john kasich needs to be in the top 10 in that debate and what i am looking for is that even though the logic of the nomination says to spend money in iowa spent money in a new hampshire, or even nevada, because foxnews is only going to take the top 10, i wonder if we are going to see national advertising and a primary election, which is something we have never really seen before? but if folks may try to gain those polls about who is going to be in those top 10 the folks who are going to be voting -- the folks that are going to be answering the poll of the national republican primary. mark: jeb bush has almost $100 billion still in the bank. one way to become less efficient is not to get a discount on a campaign advertisement. how impactful besides of that

disadvantage be for jeb bush? as opposed from a super pac to a campaign? ken: you are absolutely right super pac value -- super pac dollars are less valuable than campaign dollars. that said, $100 million is an awful lot of money. jeb bush may win this rate, jeb bush may lose this race. he is not going to lose this race because he is going to run out of money, though. mark: quick coming we see these reports of marco rubio buying ad space all the way down in the future. is that a good time -- is that a good idea to buy all of that space way in the future? ken: i could call the tv stations right now and by the hubt-halperin campaign space right now.

mark: i like it! ken: they could do that, but they don't know what is going to cost -- what it is going to cost, so be wary because we don't know what those numbers will be. mark: thanks so much, we will be right back. ♪

mark: scott walker gets into the race monday. he has a new video. it is a reminder of batman, specifically, "the dark knight." we have it reimagined with the audio from "the dark knight" trailer. >> but scott walker stood his ground unintimidatied. ♪ >> where do we begin? >> a year ago these cops and lawyers wouldn't dare cross any of you. i mean, what happened? >> so what are you proposing?

>> it's simple, kill the batman. [laughter] mark: the full version of that is on bloombergpolitics.com. for me and al, we say sayonara. ♪

alix: we are moments away from the closing bell. i'm alix steel. u.s. stocks rising today after the s&p fell to a four-month low yesterday. global market seems to be letting out a sigh of relief as they see their biggest rebound since 2009. joe: what'd you miss? the imf citing a weaker u.s. been a worried about greece and called the china stock slump a sideshow. is that the right call? alix: