al: i'm al hurt. mark: and i mark halperin. and we want to spend all of our time talking about jeb bush, but we want to get out of here by 5:30. ♪ mark: in tonight's superhero universe, batman, superman, and super-pac-man. jeb bush has raised not as much as $45 million that hillary clinton has raised.

it is a pastor race, according to our advocates. jeb bush has raised an average of $700,000 per day, and hillary at $562,500 per day. al, does this mean jeb bush is going to be the overall champion? is he getting the low hanging fruit? al: i don't care where this hangs, this is awesome fruit. both the super pac number any personal number. -- and the personal number. dick gephardt says -- this was thought to run all of the candidates out of the field and scare them off, this didn't work. secondly, the major candidates. rubio, walker, cruise. it will be fully competitive in february. if jeb doesn't win one of the

os,e that money advantage will be a lot less impressive. mark: i will say two things, my caveat is that some of the super pac donors have been restricted to the size of the checks that they have written. so i think bush will continue to swell even though he will not be able to make asks himself. the second thing is that i think this will go into may be april or may, but i suspect that bush and his super pac will be one or one of the few that can go the distance of the thing does go a long. al: yeah, i agree. it will be much harder. the only way another candidate will go long is if he or she wins one of those early contests and the sugar daddies kick in. mark: and another thing about the bush numbers is that we will see if he can keep it up. i thought earlier in the year it

was a mistake in the sense that he was traveling around the country doing super pac funding, and now he is going to have to go back to those same places and raise hard earned dollars. i suspect there is a bundler network and please -- in place. bush, like his brother, won't have to attend nearly as many as fundraisers as others. i suspect that jeb bush is going to collect a lot of money without having to be there which is a big bush advantage. all right. there is a thing in politics called a freak show. let me give you an example. the presidential candidate says something imprecisely and then everyone jumps on it. in today's episode here is what gaffeman jeb bush said. in order to grow the economy, "people need to work longer hours." here is the full context of what he said. jeb bush: my aspiration for the country is 4% of growth as far as the eye can see, which means we have to be a lot more

productive. workforce participation has to rise from modern lows. people need to work longer hours and see their productivity gain more income for their families. mark: i said gaffeman, and i was kidding, of course, that wasn't a gaffe. he was talking about people getting the opportunity to work more not surprisingly, liberals hours. and democrats jumped all over bush. they made a big deal over all of this. surprisingly, somebody else jumped on bush. it would seem to me that jeb bush would want to avoid comments that led governor romney to think they are out of touch. the problem is that the cartel of politicians have a the game against them. here we have a case of gop on gop violence. does it say more about ted cruz?

lal: -- al: i actually think jeb bush did make a gaffe here. economists can disagree about the key points here, but i think putting it the way here just plays to the image of a very rich, family-connected guy telling the average citizen that he has to work harder. i think it will come back to haunt jeb bush. mark: i think it well, too. but i think it won't come back as a gaffe, i think it will come back to haunt him. i just think for our political culture, people just need to be more forgiving. the ted cruz thing is fascinating. they have to aggressively take down a jeb bush and make him an old candidate, and i think this episode says more about bush in the sense that, even though he is not it a traditional classic front-runner and he is going to take a lot of punches. everyone wants him to take on that dialogue with bush.

al: let's turn to donald trump. he is taking more hits too speaking of punching. the second celebrity chef to say no to trump. this is all because of what he said about mexicans. he has the ear of the establishment. reince priebus said he needs to tone down his inflammatory comments. today, trump called the washington post to set the record straight. trump did concede that he told them to tone it down a little bit. if the mainstream party wants to control him, can they? mark: no, they cannot. priebus called because he is under a lot of pressure, but in terms of these debates, trump

plays by his own rules. i think it is going to take, as i wrote on bloombergpolitics.com today, it is going to take one of the other presidential candidates, probably a heavyweight to take trump on or he will continue to do what he wants to do on a range of issues. the fact that he is choosing to go to arizona to give a speech on immigration tell you everything about the prospect he will tone it down. al: you know, mark, i don't think his malicious comments about immigrants are going to hurt the republican party about a year from now. he will be talking about a lot of other things. i predict that like most bullies he will cower and step out. but i think he is playing the race card. this is what he did with the birther issue and i think that hurts the country. mark: in the end, i think one of the things that will tell here is the poll numbers. as long as his numbers go up, as long as he is one of the leaders nationally in the key states, he

is going to be harder to deal with and a lot harder for the press to ignore. if his numbers go down, then i think we will put what he says in perspective. he will not be able to dominate as much. we will see how his poll numbers do. al: yeah, i don't think he is a serious person and i think he has done great harm with these comments. mark: all right, before we go to break, there was some big news out there between colombia and athens and elsewhere. judy chu cut out, here is our "with all due respect" wraparound coverage. >> one of the last abuse you will see of the confederate flag. >> lawmakers spent more than 13 hours debating the issue. >> in impassioned plea. rep. horne: it is a symbol of hate, take it off these grounds! >> the governor said she will sign a bill to take it off. >> in washington, gop house members are pulling their support for a bill that would have upheld the right to display

confederate flags in some cemeteries. speaker boehner: i do not want this to become some political football. secretary kerry: despite all of the progress we have made, and it is real, some of the tough issues remain unresolved. >> the big headlines here is that the deadline today will not be reached. >> the greek government will submit proposals for economic reform in the next couple of hours. >> there are cobbling together an extension. >> it could be the last chance for greece to reach a deal and stay in the eurozone. mark: up next, the return of george pataki and after that, we promise, batman. ♪

mark: our guest tonight is a republican presidential candidate who goes by the name george pataki. the former governor joins us

after some time on the campaign trail. governor, thank you for joining us. fmr. gov. pataki: thank you mark. mark: when you are talking about the comments that trump made you said they were bad and divisive for the party. i am wondering if you think the comments are bad for the brand and image. fmr. gov. pataki: they certainly don't help the party, but as you were pointing out earlier donald trump is donald trump. if other candidates don't embrace that position, then people are going to look at the candidate as an individual when it comes to november. mark: you are a former governor of new york and he is a businessman. i am just wondering if it comes down to you and mr. trump, one

of the differences between you and donald trump? fmr. gov. pataki: he runs businesses, and i ran a major government, and politics is very different from the private sector. you have to lead and create consensus. you have to deal with those who disagree with you and try to bring them along and it is about results. i am very proud of the results i had as governor, both winning three times, but more importantly, changing the direction of the state. mark: before we move on, i just want to ask one of the question. you have been critical of his positions on immigration. are there other aspects of trump's records or statements that you would take issue with? fmr. gov. pataki: i am not interested in getting in a fight with the donald trump. we always got along great. his comments about mexicans were just -- not just unacceptable -- they were really repulsive to me, as a grandson of immigrants. we have to understand we all have a common future. one of the things you do in politics or you should do is to try to bring people together instead of trying to divide them. i want people to have a sense of identity as americans, and not

as different groups that we like or we don't like. al: governor, it is al hunt here, will fox and cnn proceed with only the top 10 in the main debates and you are not in that top 10, would you participate in what is called the kiddie table debate and what would you get out of it? [laughter] fmr. gov. pataki: i am not excited about the kiddie table the manchester united said that they will have a debate the day before and i do intend to attend that. but i will tell you, august 6 is n't what matters. wherever we are and whatever happens a few weeks from now that doesn't concern me. you fight hard and you make the case to the american people. it is not where you start, it is where you are in november. mark: i am sorry, al, go ahead.

fmr. gov. pataki: i would hope to have the opportunity. as mark pointed out, i got elected three times in one of the bluest states in america. i governed of that state successfully and left it in its best financial position and its best economic and lowest unemployment ever, so i am proud to talk about that record and my vision for america and i hope i have the opportunity. mark: governor, i want to move to your day in iowa. just to clarify, you would only participate in the debate with the top 10 candidates you wouldn't participate in the other debates? fmr. gov. pataki: let's wait and see. i haven't been approached about that. we'll have to see how it is structured. i'm not inclined to doing it but i don't want to rule it out. mark: ok, in iowa, when you talked to voters today, what are the three issues that voters brought up to you? fmr. gov. pataki: well, because of donald trump, people are talking about immigration quite a bit, quite a bit. one part of donald trump's analysis is something i agree

, we have to control the border. that doesn't mean you demonize mexicans who are here. the second is the economy. for all of the unemployment numbers, there is just a tremendous sense of too many people are not earning enough and don't have enough confidence in their economic future. the opportunities that exist. the other one would be security and isis. we just had the warning for thankfully nothing happened. fourth of july. there is an awareness that we are at risk of attacks here in america. in my view, the greatest risk of attack since 9/11. al: governor, what would you say about the latest numbers from jeb bush today? fmr. gov. pataki: i am not sure what he announced. al: $114 million within the campaign.

fmr. gov. pataki: that's fine let's see what happens between now and next november. mark: governor, as we go forward here in this big field, it is obviously unpredictable, is there a chance for you to go from the back of the pack to the top? fmr. gov. pataki: absolutely that is why i am doing this, i believe in my vision for america, i believe the people want someone who is not going to look to divide the american people for political benefit but unite them for the public's benefit, someone who doesn't just talk about reducing the size of the government and reducing public dependency. someone who has x-ray done it. i have done it and i know i can do it in washington. i want to be someone who can win the race, and i know i can do that, and i know that after i win, could govern successfully

even with a difficult congress. and change the direction of washington even with a difficult congress. i know i could do that. , sure, i don't mind starting at the end, but i do mind finishing at the end. i will fight to be at the top. mark: we'll only have time for one short answer, what is the best thing you have eaten today? fmr. gov. pataki: i didn't have corn on a stick, but i did have an ice cream cone. it was the best thing. don't tell libby. mark: hopefully she is not watching. governor, thank you so much. fmr. gov. pataki: thank you, mark. mark: we will be back with an interesting way that the republicans plan to challenge the white house. we will be back after this. ♪

al: over at our website, we have a polling analyst, ken goldstein, has a much-read story about the presidential candidates and the statewide races that they won and lost. and the types of electorate's they have had to woo. here to tell us about this is ken goldstein.

thanks for joining us, ken. purple state. bush, rubio. they all make some strong presidential candidates. ken: the game is purple state. we are going to start out with the states that republicans win, like the mountain states, those of the ones that republicans are -- it is obvious to look at candidates coming from purple states. they have one in purple states. doesn't that suggest they will win in 2016? and no, but thank you for setting me up. the when is much more important than the where. remember john edwards? before all those things happened, he talked about two americas. there are two americans when it

comes to elections. all of the folks who won the purple states in midterm elections, they never faced the sort of voters who decide presidential elections. al: you are making the assumptions then that the general election turnout will be more like 2008, 2012, rather than 2004. ken: i am, and even if we don't think that democrats are going to be able to replicate the electorate, which was naturally plus 6, 7, 8 democratic, it is going to be more naturally for -- scott walker in wisconsin when he won in 2010 and when he won the recall in 2012 and the election in 2014, the wisconsin electorate was evenly divided. when obama was winning in 2008 and 2012, it was plus 7 or plus

8. al: i know my colleague mark halperin has some other questions to ask you. mark: ken, thanks, people can read through through with al on bloomberg.com, and i want to talk about something you have been talking about all week and that is advertising and fundraising. john kasich is going to spend about $1 million in the next couple of weeks, trying to help him out in new hampshire. how impactful can that million dollars be at this point given that there are not a lot of other political ads on the air and the guys trying to raise his national numbers to get into the first debate in his home state? ken: that is the key you just point said. first of all, i am a little

skeptical about these announcements. we will see whether these ads will actually air, but the more important part is that john kasich needs to be in the top 10 in be in the debate. what i am looking for is that even though the logic of the nomination process says to spend money in iowa, spent money in a new hampshire, or even nevada because foxnews is only going to take the top 10, i wonder if we are going to see national advertising in a primary election, which is something we have never really seen before? but if folks may try to gain me those polls about who is going to be in those top 10, the folks that are going to be answering the poll of the national republican primary. mark: jeb bush has almost $100 million still in the bank. one way the money is less efficient is not to get a discount on a campaign advertisement.

how impactful besides that disadvantage can that be for jeb bush? as opposed from a super pac to a campaign? ken: you are absolutely right, super pac dollars are less viable than candidate dollars. groups will pay 2, 3 four times as much. that said, $100 million is an awful lot of money. jeb bush may win this race, jeb bush may lose this race. he is not going to lose this race because he is going to run out of money, though. mark: quick, we see these reports of marco rubio buying ad space all the way down in the future. is that a good idea to buy all of that space way in the future? ken: i would say one of the most meaningless things to pay attention to is that. i could call the tv stations right now and by the hunt-halperin campaign space -- i would not have to put dollars down.

rubio has tried to buy space in january and the cannot do it because they don't have the rates. mark: thanks so much, we will be right back. ♪

mark: scott walker gets into the race monday. he has a new video. it is a reminder of batman specifically, "the dark knight." we combined the two. you are about to see the original video and the same video re-imagined with the audio from "the dark knight" trailer. announcer: but scott walker stood his ground, unintimidated. ♪ joker: where do we begin? >> a year ago, these cops and lawyers wouldn't dare cross any of you. i mean, what happened?

gangster: so what are you proposing? joker: it's simple, kill the batman. [laughter] mark: the full version of that is on bloombergpolitics.co

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