>> with all due respect to skeptics, i told you so. ♪ >> welcome to america's favorite game show, let's make a deal. there is some out rice -- outright opposition. what are the odds that congress stops the president deal with iran? josh: remember there was a big deal that gave congress the chance to review it, but unless they can override a presidential veto come up with 66 votes in

the senate, they are probably not going to be able to stop it. there will be a big political fight, it does not look to me like the deal will be in jeopardy. >> there are some democrats who say they want to read the deal. the key, if there is any prospect it is the senator from new york who has been a skeptic, it is possible if schumer came out against, you could have trouble sustaining the veto in the senate. any house, the president has a third of the house already. unless something drastic happens, this deal will go down. josh: there is room for 13 senators to defect. the other wildcard is this will go over the ss -- assess. you remember what happened with obamacare.

mark: there will be a lot of discussions about individual provisions. the strongest argument of president has is if the deal goes down, the president has already made the case the repercussions are extreme. the president is now powerful enough and popular enough that putting this procedure online will work. i don't think there is a chance they can rally against it. josh: it is not only be a fact that you need them to do bidding, but the whole aspect that it could fall apart. mark: next up hillary clinton. hillary clinton: this agreement will have to be enforced vigorously relentlessly, we have in agreement the access for

inspection and transparency that was absolutely necessary. but we have to treat this as an ongoing enforcement effort. we still have a lot of concern about the bad behavior and actions by iran. they remain the largest state sponsor of terrorism which goes after and undermines governments in the region. it poses a threat to israel that unfairly and unlawfully confines and tries americans on trumped up charges. that bad behavior is something we have to address. josh: how to the politics play? mark: normally when she

straddles, it is a loser for her, in this case she could not be set better. she has a higher burden to use of port -- burden to support. i don't think she will take hits for it. she is talking about it in an authoritative way. josh: a lot of this deal will depend on who the next president is. they will have the discretion to crack down on iran if they stonewall. clinton is known to be more hawkish. i will be be the one to take charge of this and make -- make sure u.s. interests are not harmed. mark: normally this is carefully thought through. i do not think straddling on this issue hurts her. a lot of people in the country will adopt a wait and see

attitude. just point -- josh: republicans reactions have been producible, this does not mean it is not good to be -- television. here is an example about how they feel about iran. >> he has taken remote -- the world's most antagonizing power and has guarantees they will become a nuclear nation. >> we have rewarded bad behavior with a steel. -- deal. they have never talked about releasing american prisoners. that signals bad behavior pays. >> this is the equivalent of a kid shooting out your windows and giving him a shotgun to make it easier. i have no idea what the president is thinking.

it has to be one of the most outrageous, irrational decisions that a u.s. president has made. >> we give legitimacy to the u.s. community. they have done nothing in exchange. they come out stronger and more very went -- very went. >> why doesn't someone say where are the prisoners? we have four people in prison that should not be. why could not be part of the deal? mark: even rand paul said this on twitter. the proposed agreement with iran is unacceptable and i will vote against it. the bad -- the deal is bad because one it proceeds the client and two, they are left with limited capacity.

how much will the republican candidates drive this debate? mark: they will drive it in south carolina but i do not think they will influence democrats and public opinion. they're auditioning to see who can beat hillary clinton of the most. i think the senate will be outspoken and have a platform but there will be a lot of competing voices. josh: if you are a democratic senator and republicans are calling this the death of israel , how do you as a democrat decide, i will line up with that team and go against the president, and probably nomination?

mark: there is such a lack of nuance in these statements, any democrats are pointing out. these people are denouncing a deal to have not read or seen. while it is a popular position in the republican party, they are hurting their own chances of getting what they want. now that rand paul has joined the course, every one of the 16 republicans running for president is saying be same thing. i don't think anyone will stand out. josh: we called ken goldstein to try to get a sense of where public opinion stands, he made interesting points. first, this is a topic hard to pull on, most americans do not understand nuclear negotiations. mark: used the republicans, 38% thought it was a good idea. about half of independence and over 60% of democrats thought it was a good idea. president obama as we said

earlier, needs congressional democrats in some numbers to block -- to keep a vetoproof majority from taking place. given this is a partisan issue does public opinion matter? is this just an inside game with the president holding hands with democrats? josh: public opinion can matter. the question is are these attitudes towards iran fixed? mark: this is abstract. you have senators that don't understand the deal. josh: but if these ideas lead to a wave of anger from republicans, americans could think maybe it is not a good deal. i have a hard time believing it will happen because most of the public opinion polling showed that americans, a majority support public diplomacy with

iran on nuclear issues. mark: ken goldstein points out the president is more popular. the victories on trade and in these supreme court is a bit of an upright -- up ride. more on iran coming up. we will talk more about the nuclear deal after this word from our sponsor. ♪

mark: our guest is the ceo of a group called united against iran. mike wallace has led a lot of groups in trying to deal with this agreement. as you said before we went on air, long agreement not fully trust through -- fully thought through.

we talked to ben rhodes to make the case on some of these points. the first one is the issue of, will there be enough access to look at nuclear sites and the supply chain to determine whether iran is in violation? >> the deal has access, the entire supply is cut. they would have to have a entire covert supply chain if they wanted to develop a nuclear weapon. the deal allows for, this is permanent, the iaea to see what they want to see when they want to. if we have a particular site and we want to inspect, here is the thing if iran objects to that inspection, we can overrule them. if we and our allies demand it we can overrule them.

mark: inspections are at the heart of a deal like this. is it comforting what the advisors said? >> the agreement contemplates a very arcane process of 14 days iran has the right to challenge the mediations dispute system and five point -- five votes. iran has the right to challenge and stop, it is not 20 47 access, i think there is a provision there that is different than presented by ben. maybe there is a better explanation, but the plain language raises concern. josh: is iran cheats or stone, will the u.s. be able to reassemble the international sanctions regime with support? mark: there is concern, when you look at the mechanisms, even to inspect. 14 days notice -- that

explicitly means you need to support russia and china. i think you would have to inject it back into a u.n. process to reassemble some of the architecture of a three framework agreement. mark: this framework came together because it was supposed to be a prelude to a tickle medic -- diplomatic agreement. if it falls apart, how difficult will it be to get those powers to come in and start over from the beginning. josh: how hard will it be to get a russia or china to say, we are with you and we will go back. mark: there have been a lot of talks about nothing snapping back. we are skeptical of that. we are in a different world. we are at $50 a barrel oil. with mostly u.s. dominated

sanctions, the iranian currency was downgraded. the iranian economy could be under great stress and i think iran should because shows that the u.s. alone, hopefully not, could impose sanctions back on iran. mark: we talked about this issue of iran having more access to currency, how will they use that money? could it be dangerous to american interests? listen to what he said. >> we expect they will undertake activity like support for terrorism. the point is that would be more dangerous if they had a nuclear weapon. they are going to get relief from the sanctions. lets her member the sanctions or put in place to achieve this deal. the same time, we think they are more likely to invest in resources in their economy which

is in terrible disrepair. mark: he concedes that iran will have more money. he points out is it worth it? and is the money going to be spent more on the economy. mark: iran has been engaged in property wars without the middle east. i think they will be much more able to empire build and fight enemies with this money in hand. iran and the leadership has always been willing to sacrifice its own economy. just asked the iranian people in 2009. they were always let their people suffer first -- suffer second, empire built second -- first. anytime you give 150 billion

dollars and all the talk of sanctions relieving, it will embolden a regime that is already emboldened. i think we would be naive to think that money will benefit other hegemonic conditions. mark: under this deal you will not have them under iranian nuclear umbrella. mark: i will tell you one of the early supporters was a sheryl saw -- assad. i think that is problematic. i think we shouldn't delude ourselves. if iran is receiving a huge injection of financial wherewithal, we know what is doing. mark: your republican candidates have been extort nearly negative

and characterizing this as one of the worst things the unites states has ever done. is it possible that those who want to defeat the deal could override? mark: it with pulling up on your screen, i think it is possible. it is the most important consequential agreement since the end of the cold war. this is a day of sweeping rhetoric onto the sides. this is getting into the brass tacks. it will be litigated well you will see the american people way and -- way in. it will force people to deal with leadership rather than rhetoric. we will know what these terms mean some of the american people will be educated. mark: you have heard someone for the deal and someone against when we come back ben cardin joins us right after this. ♪

mark: joining us now from capitol hill is the ranking member of the senate foreign relations committee, the democratic senator from maryland, senator, thank you for joining us. we went to get some i -- to some of the specifics to what happens next. you have lindsey graham, jeb bush, thoughtful people thinking about national security. you have people in the administration who are supporters of this deal. it seems to me on that you have some people saying this is the worst thing that could possibly happen to the united states, and other people saying it is a great day for america. how is it so black-and-white? ben: it took years to get to this agreement. the last two weeks have been intense. we have people making decisions within two hours whether it is

good or not, who have not read the document. i think we need to understand the document. we need to have the hearings public hearings, lets your from people. -- let's hear from people. mark: how soon will be senate hold hearings? ben: we anticipate early next week. we will hear from individuals directly involved in the negotiations, including secretary kerry. we will have public panels that will allow us to get outside views as to the terms of the agreement. we hope to take two weeks of hearings. we have 60 days for the review. we want it to be complete. mark: people are looking at your colleague, senator schumer.

how do you compare how you are looking at this deal appeared to have he is. -- how he is. then: many of us want to make the right decision for the country. we take our responsibility seriously. let's not prejudge. i think senator schumer feels the same. josh: you are truly undecided? you could end up opposing the deal in the end? then: i have not made a decision because i have not reviewed it. there are concerns. there are areas that have been identified that i need more clarification. josh: based on what his been made -- has been made public what are your biggest concerns? then: there is no trust in iran. we know they will try to cheat. we have to verify this agreement. the snapback of sanctions, the

regime, the access to military sites are very important. those are some of the issues we will be looking at closely. mark: you consider this a great day for the world? a great day for the u.s. or no? then: i think -- then: -- ben: i hope we are closer and i want to wait until i have a chance to read it. mark: in your term on capitol hill, how momentous are these deliberations on this vote? ben: this is near the top. there is no question that this challenge is one of the greatest of our time. how we handle iran, the nuclear

ambitions are very much critical to our foreign-policy and national security. this is a very important moment for the global community and the u.s.. mark: thank you for joining us. coming up our big guests on the show tomorrow, we will tell you that will be after this word. ♪

mark: tomorrow jennifer paul mary -- palmeri will join us. we also have the story on bernie sanders who had lunch today with hillary clinton. we're told that hillary clinton treated him with great respect. we will have that tomorrow.

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