♪ >> from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. charlie: bryant gumbel is here. he is one of television's best broadcasters. he hosted the "today show" for 15 years. he joined cbs in 1997 on both his own primetime program and the early show. since 1995 he hosted hbo's real sports with bryant gumbel. the monthly magazine program has won numerous awards including 28 sports emmys and a peabody in

2012. it doesn't get any better than that. i am pleased to have bryant gumbel at this table. bryant: the last time we did this was 1999. charlie: i don't remember the 90's. bryant: it was right after my bar mitzvah. [laughter] it's a wonderful broadcast. i have really good people. it is a great place to work. it has been really a lot of fun. charlie: what is your frame of mind today? you have real sports. you won the peabody, for god's sake. hbo is a good place to work they pay you well. is that it for you? bryant: i think so. i enjoy working in the mornings. like you.

i love your work and you know i watch constantly. i think i've had my time. what i do doesn't fit with the way things are done now. charlie: if i stepped in tomorrow, they would not notice? bryant i'm not the same guy i : was. i'm really not. i'm much more easy-going now. you remember, back in the day if somebody said something that set me off i was eager to fight and more than willing to mix it up. and now, i'm more inclined now to say, you're an idiot, i will let you be an idiot. charlie: you have a great marriage. bryant: i am very fortunate. hillary has been terrific. charlie: there is no ambition left in you?

bryant: i have a lot of ambition. i still like being engaged with smart people. i still like discussions and conversations. i just don't feel the need to do them in public. i don't have that overriding ambition for everybody to know what i am thinking. it is not that important to me. it really isn't. i'm happy to have discussions with friends and acquaintances people at dinner. to have my say. but to get in front of the camera the idea of engaging , people on any and everything and fighting them tooth and nail, i don't have that anymore. charlie: but you do have it for sports. you use sports -- it is not about the score.

bryant: sports is about real sports like rocky was about boxing. boxing was the vehicle to tell them about hopes and dreams in class and ambition and disappointment. and real sports uses sports as a vehicle to talk about race and gender and class and education and societal norms and politics and finance and everything else. that often gets overlooked. charlie: let's talk sports. tom brady. was four games right -- bryant: i think the most amusing thing for me is that people are so concerned about deflated footballs, and you can't get attention on serious stuff. charlie: don't you think the nfl is trying now on concussions? bryant: i think they are eager

to get past the problem. charlie: do they care about concussions? bryant: i'm not going to say they don't care. charlie: if they don't something about it -- bryant: it will be there financial downfall. in that respect they care. which is why they are delighted right now. everybody is preoccupied with what they like to call deflategate because they are not talking about the other stuff that we generally do. charlie: like what? like domestic violence? bryant: domestic violence concussions. , charlie: how many shows have you done on concussions? bryant: many. i'm happy we have brought it to

the floor as often as we have and i think we have done a responsible job. charlie: has it made a difference? has it changed in response to the kind of things you pointed out? bryant: i think the problem is so deep. you feel like you're spitting water at the ocean. i don't know. i'm not necessarily sure you can have the game without it -- without it. charlie: without hard knocks? bryant: i would take the facemasks off. charlie: so they couldn't grab and twist the heads? bryant: i think it is going to be the rare individual who leads with his head who doesn't have a facemask. you will wind up with a lot of busted noses and broken teeth, but i suspect you will have fewer people leading with their head. i guess.

charlie: the interesting thing to me, you know roger as well. and they have to, the most important thing for them is the reputation of the nfl. as you know. bryant: they are very protective of the shield. they care a lot about public opinion. charlie: did they change because of all the trouble they got into? about ray rice on domestic violence? bryant: i'm not necessarily sure there is an easy way out on this. they can't get ahead on the legal process. you can't deny somebody due process. as a result, when someone has a charge against them, the public may want roger to jump in and suspend the guy immediately. but unless he goes to the

system, you can't deprive somebody their living. so i'm not sure there is an easy way out for them on that. to what extent the problem is inherent and the people who play it, sometimes it is overstated. we did a piece on the level of domestic violence in the guys involved in mma. mixed martial arts. charlie: high? bryant: compared to the societal norm, yes. but the other thing i would add also compared to the societal , norm the nfl is actually less, though it gets a lot of attention. in terms of incidents her 100,000 males it is less. charlie: what would you do about one and out? what would you do? bryant: if i were god? with a small g.

i guess the problem is it is less a college problem and more a probe problem. in every walk of life the pros play by the same rule, which is if you are talented enough than you can go to college. a writer, whatever you want. if a guy is good enough coming out of high school to go to the pros, he should have that opportunity, which would get rid of or certainly minimize the impact of the one and done. which came about when the nba past its rule that you have to have at least one year of college. now you are giving me my meat and potatoes. i think it is the biggest injustice in all of sports. charlie: the biggest injustice of all of sports is paying these kids who -- is not paying these kids to come out of high school. they come there to make money

for the university because of the athletic program, generates huge endowments from the alumni. bryant: it is amateur only for the guys who are playing, it is not amateur for the coach, not amateur for the school, for the administrators, the university the networks, the sponsors. they are making a mint. it is only amateur for the guys taking the risk. rather than paying them, we should find a way to make sure they are fairly compensated for what they are providing. you have this engine. it is providing a multibillion-dollar industry. and they are supposedly getting an education for it. but that is done with a wink and a nod. certainly there must be some way of setting up something.

charlie: they are protected in college. it is about their conduct. bryant i saw an interesting : piece on that and they were talking about are they treated friendly than regular students who want to follow the law? the answer is yes. but not for the reasons you suspect. charlie: why are they treated differently? bryant: because they have access to a lawyer. the university makes sure they have access. that's what separates them. it is not preferential because of the name, it is because of the reputation and the american legal system. you have a better chance of being guilty with a great lawyer than being innocent without a good one. charlie: you are going to start giving opinions again?

bryant: it was a dumb thing to do. charlie: i have a lot of opinion. it was so dumb of me to stop giving them. you know how much i deprive you. i know how much you needed this. i know how good it was for you. [laughter] bryant: for 19 years i have every show with a brief -- i like some of them. charlie: no expect you to hit it out of the park. every time. bryant: and boy, i did not. and i didn't feel i think the show need something in the backend the same way that there was something there that people expected. was it always great? no. but people expected it. it was a good way to button the program. charlie: you used to have this natural scenes at the end.

branyant: i think he has done a great job. charlie: he has created a very good show. bryant: nobody in this business is your replacement, as we know. but he is close. charlie: we are often close too. he's not the only guy. bryant: charlie does a wonderful job. charlie: he's pretty good on radio. the story is paul harvey tried to get the two of them together. because if we can get the two of us together we would own the freeaking radio. bryant: my dad was a lawyer first and then a judge. he died in his chambers in 1972. a heart attack.

charlie: the most admired man you have ever known? bryant: easily. easily. i often said it is not a fair world. my dad was brighter than i am, worked harder than i did. did more for society than i ever did. in his best year he didn't make what people in television make in a good month. charlie: or for one speech. i think a lot about that with my father, too. in terms of compensation -- bryant: society is not fair. times change. when i outlived my dad, my dad died at 51. charlie: when you became 51 --

bryant: i even count the days when i passed him. you always look at your parents with -- when i passed that time i was like he really was young. his 51 years were different in our 51 years. he was a world war ii veteran. he died before i ever was on the air. charlie: so we did not see you. my father died during the night watch. he would watch it every night. he may have been watching it, we don't know. he was on a bicycle, like a treadmill. he fell off and the doctor said he was dead by the time he hit the floor. bryant: how old was he? charlie: he was 77. the point is he probably was watching me on television. bryant: he was no doubt very proud. i always tell my friends and we

could give 20 years of my life i f i could play a round of golf with my dad. my dad never played on a private course, never had a caddy. he made it possible for me to do all those things. he made it possible for me to enjoy them. ♪

♪ charlie: morning shows, what is wrong with them? bryant: i don't know if there is anything wrong with them. everyone who does one likes to believe theirs is the one -- there's is better than the one that followed. i know what you are saying. times change. audiences change. it is a debate we can have forever. would people -- would an audience sit there for that now? i don't know. charlie: we are going to find out. bryant: i can remember having a 20 minute conversation. with the reverend albert at the.

nathy. on the today program. ran through a bunch of stops. i'm not sure the public would sit for that kind of thing anymore. i just ran for the stop sign. clothing one of the bigger mistakes they make as they will dump out of something really good for something that is not quite as good because it was programmed that way you when you weigh them -- bryant: they are not equal. i don't get everybody sitting there and weighing in. you know? this has happened do we really , need six people to say that was great fun? fabulous, good, great. no. charlie: the big advantage is doing a lot of one-on-one stuff.

that is the way the program was designed. unless you are going off to do a piece outside the studio. outside the studio you can do 1000 -- bryant: i did a five-part interview with david stockman when he was reagan's financial. you know i can't imagine a morning program doing a five-part series of interviews with president obama's chief advisor. five minutes each. i cannot imagine. charlie: we would do five different shows. five segments. the same guy. or woman.

and some interesting ways i'm , arguing for that. take john brown, head of the cia. joe biden. bryant: the other big changes the morning show has been a progression thing. the heaviest up goes in the first hour. you get progressively lighter. for years there we were still talking about the peace prospects in the third half hour. now a lot of shows i have watched go to the latest makeover to the first half hour. i am out of step. charlie: it is no secret you like the work we are doing because you like news. bryant: i sent him notes all the time. charlie doesn't want my notes. why did you do such and such? [laughter] charlie: peter jennings used to

watch the show on the time. god bless his soul. the idea of talking one-on-one was his dream. it came with criticism, came with applause, came with judgment. i interviewed someone wants, peter called me up and said, how could you do that? the next night he would call up and say, you should be there the rest of your life. bryant: what happens there is when you do the right thing you like a broadcast you become proprietary about it. you are offended when it goes off the rails, which is something you don't want. put it back where i wanted. charlie: but you like having leisure time. bryant: i do. charlie: you want to take hillary out and do a lot of things together. bryant: i like to do a lot of things i didn't get to do for the first -- i'm fond of saying

time is like closet space. whatever you have, you fill. i fill mine. i don't feel like i wasted the day. i am doing something i enjoy. charlie: it is what fills me. here's my argument with you. here it comes. you have a lot of talent. you have strongly held views about this world that we live in. i think you have the ability to communicate that. you know how to grasp an issue and you know how to understand it and communicate it. i think you ohwe it to us to do more. i would say the same thing about marlon brando about acting.

i don't want the conversation to go further. if you have contempt for the business. bryant: first of all, i'm grateful. right thing, i don't have contempt for the business. all the people on television they are kind enough to come knocking and ask. they asked about various programs. charlie: getting ready to go on vacation -- bryant: i like doing one-off like this. my buddy says you could do a show called, "get off of my lawn." [laughter] because of is the way you are. i'm the guy on the corner finding problems. look, i still like being engaged. i just don't feel an overwhelming need to do it publicly. there are times when i see things happening in the public sector or in politics or on the

racial front for i say do i wish i had a forum because i would like to come swinging. and say such and such. charlie: we will give you one tomorrow if you want it. do you want me to call him? bryant: we got enough headaches about me. i'm sure come friday morning i will think -- who was it that said the day after donald trump announced, he was sorry he quit, that is the way i feel sometimes when i see what is passing for dialogue. charlie: what would you be doing if you had the desire and the forum? bryant: probably a broadcast

like this. i like talking with people. it is funny. my standard line is, people are fond of asking who is a good review and who is a bad interviewer? a good interview is somebody who says it well. and the bad interview is someone who has nothing to say and says it poorly. the idea of having people who have something to say and say it well, i think it is fun, it is engaging, it is interesting, it is substantive, it is socially helpful. it is what tv should be. not the freak show that is often out there. charlie: what about john stewart leaving this week? bryant: he has done a marvelous service. i have never been a watcher.

i am the odd man out, i'm not a watcher. i do not find myself turning off the tv. i like to read. i'm an admirer. i just didn't watch. i'm not a tv watcher. at 2:00 in the morning. charlie: are you doing anything new with your life? bryant: it seems like everything i do is new in my life. it is new to me. i work out, play golf, read. i do stupid things like during the summer hillary and i are doing the new york vacation. we are doing things we never did. charlie: like the adirondacks? bryant: no. oddly enough i have never been to the frick. it's wonderful.

it's now my favorite museum. going to moma, going to the mat. et. charlie: the great thing about the city is you can spend a different night in new york and a different country. depending on the neighborhood you go. if you want to be in the dominican republic, there are neighborhoods where all the people are dominican, all the food is dominican, and the whole culture. bryant: an op-ed in the times two weeks ago was talking about travel. my father-in-law and i got engaged in conversation about this. it is hard to jump up and go somewhere else. you can say i can do it here. there is nothing i'm going to buy in paris or london or anywhere that i can't buy in manhattan. i am going to get the food that is better. the only thing i'm not going to get is the experience. it becomes difficult. manhattan offers so much.

charlie: the whole weekend i was thinking about that. i just came from the south of france. this is as interesting and as good, except french villages which are different, unique, and the food. and the attitude. the enthusiasm of who they are as different. bryant: you have to go out the villages. you had to go out and stay with them. hillary and i stayed with the in-laws in the mountains. no radio, no tv, no phone. we are not talking about a big elaborate thing. we lived there for a little while. it was different. charlie: if i was an editor today and came to you with a television program, i would say

to you helped me understand what it's like from a young black man's perspective, this clash with blue on black. help us understand that. there is no deeper issue. bryant: is one of those things you can't talk about it but until you have been there -- it is funny you should have said this because before i sat down here i reached to that paper on your left. and in the washington post there is a columnist, a young woman, in the c-section. i didn't mean it that way. she got stopped and she happens to be white. it escalated and got somewhat out of control with the officers

screaming at her to get back in the car. and she was left with an impression that i'm sure no amount of discussion could have ever revealed to her until she went through it, when you are a person of color and go through it, it is a frightening exercise. look, my son has been arrested for walking while black. i get it. i get it. it doesn't make me -- you can't buy your way out of it. you can't educate your way out of it. charlie: is it happening too much or do we had least know about it now? bryant: it has always happened. we see it more often. too often people are inclined to say if he had a different attitude, if he hadn't been driving, almost as if the victim is partially to blame. in the case of eric garner. he shouldn't have resisted in

the case of brown. in the case of sandra bland, her attitude. no stop. , this has nothing to do with the victims. this has everything to do with the culture of demeaning a person of color. there is no justification for society where my son has a far greater chance of being stopped, held, killed then your son simply because he's black. there's no amount of discussion that is ever going to impress that on someone. who doesn't go through it. charlie: i think you should give me 25% of your life and i will fill in for you. thank you for coming. bryant: it's always a pleasure. i am a big fan. you know that.

charlie: bryant gumbel. back in a moment, stay with us.

♪ charlie: salma hayek is here. she directs, produces. her latest project is the prophet. she produces and voices a character based on the lebanese poet. here's a look at the trailer. ♪

>> do i hear a mouse? >> my name is. mustafa. what is yours? >> i'm going to miss him. >> i have flown away many times. >> what would i have left if i disavowed all that i believe?

>> to love and freedom. >> we are going to be alright. >> my crime? poetry. charlie: i'm pleased to have salma hayek. we recognize liam neeson. he plays mustaga.fa.

what is it about this? all of us grew up with the prophet. all of us know about it, about its poetry, about its inspiration. how did you discover it and say i have to make a movie? salma: i discovered it because my grandfather always had the book on his bedside table. the original copy had the drawing of a man, and i was sort of haunted by this drawing of a man and associated it with my grandfather. i was very close to him. he died when i was six. it was the first traumatizing experience with death. and i always wished that i knew him better and that he could be there to guide me through life. when i was 18 i found that book in someone's house. it was the first time i could read it and i knew it was the same book. i borrowed it, and when i read

it, it was like my grandfather was telling me about life. about love, about everything. and a little about him and who he was. that doesn't mean he makes a good movie. or that it is worth trying to make it into a movie. this book doesn't have a story. but it had other things. and i thought it was important to highlight these things today and it would make a great movie. the first thing it is important to highlight that the writer wrote a book that had 120 million copies sold. it unites all religions. different creeds, people from all over the world. charlie: you think it has a built-in international audience. salma: i think it has an audience. but most importantly, i want to remind the world that it was an arab man who wrote a book about

philosophy. that united all of the religions of the world together. i think in a time like today, it is a nice thing to think about. and i wanted also to be able to -- i think the poetry is very simple. it talks to a part of you that when you hear it, it almost sounds familiar not because you heard it before but because it is a simple truth about the simple things in life, that brings us all together. charlie: has your daughter valentina seen it? salma: she is a. 8. when she came out of the movie she told me.

she was proud of me and then she went on to write a poem about how we are free and therefore we never die and are eternal. she made a drawing. to go with it. it is my grandmother, who she never met. she's coming out of the tomb and dancing among the rest of the family. charlie: everybody takes something different from it. don't they? salma: that is the important part of making the film. our children are growing up to be consumers. and everything we show them has everything digested for them. same for teenagers, for adult. same for us. it takes you into a journey eight times through the film. through art, music poetry. it is always surprising when you are going to come and you don't know what they are going to look like you all different kinds of

techniques of animation. this journey is inside yourself. everybody is going to find something different. it doesn't have everything digested. charlie: was it hard to get the film made? that it would violate some of the rules. salma: it is a movie made out of a philosophy -- the author is arabic. and you want to do it in animation. you want unique and different styles. it was impossible and we had no script at the beginning. it was really difficult. i also had this crazy idea to make a philosophy of making the book -- the same philosophy of the principles the book holds. so i wanted people and money all

over the world. we have animators from all religions, different ages, all over the world, because the movie is also about freedom. i thought it was apportioned . each one of them had absolute freedom to create what they want. charlie: your husband supported it at the end. salma: i had one week before i would give the investors a door out. we were the people that one of the banks helped us from lebanon. we had the money, but it was going to be hard. and then -- charlie: they said i believe in you. charlie: he said it is an interesting marriage, he really insisted that you work.

he knew you would not be happy otherwise. even though you thought you might be happy. otherwise he would not have been happy if you are not working. salma: i don't think so. one of the things he fell in love with me is my passion for what i do. he didn't want me turning into someone he didn't marry. we are both independent. i pay a lot of bills. i won't let him participate in a lot of the things i'm in. i have to work hard to make a living to pay those bills. i think it is healthy. charlie: you met him -- that was

a determination on your part. you had to play frida. you had to put that movie on the screen. salma: it was a way for me to show a part of mexico's history people are not aware. it was a fertile time for art and ideology. people don't think of mexico is a sophisticated place. trotsky was leaving there. charlie: unfortunately for trotsky. salma: he would have been killed anywhere and he had a good time. before they killed him. charlie: what did he do?

you found a very good director. salma: in frida. julie taymor. yes everything that i do as a , producer is very visual. freda was very important. one of the things i loved about the story that i wanted people to be inspired by was her courage to be unique. who better than julie taymor to be unique. for this movie this lion king connection -- roger allies helped.

the story comes from the perspective of the little girl. roger does a great job. it is simple, it feels very earthy. it is the one story that brings you back to earth from the dream. and he understands global audiences very well. he is a fantastic artist. i think it was the best choice for this part of the story. then we go to some crazy artists who are really extraordinary that tell the poems. it is great because the children understand the poetry through images. so even if they don't understand all the words they understand all the conceptual images. charlie: this is an adaptation and animation, of "on love."

♪ love will find you ♪ charlie: the mother. salma: at the beginning, i did not know i was going to be in it. i fell in love with the character and that would be me playing that character. charlie: did you go out and get

the talent that was in the film? salma: yes. charlie: was it worth it? salma: yes. liam neeson he says the poetry in a way that is like a conversation with a little child. when he was recording it, he didn't even look at the script because he knew all the poems i heart. charlie: whenever you are sitting in the first certain rows you always raise your hand because you like to speak, you are passionate about public issues. one of the interesting things you have said and conferences in which i have participated is you strongly make the argument that to defeat isis what we have to do speak to the young people who are joining isis or other groups. at the same time when we have to do is provide an alternative so they are not lured to find their own identity, yes?

salma: that -- if they are lured to find their own identity, it means they are not their own identity. they have a sense of purpose. they are not exposed to a simulation that will make them with their own sense of purpose. but they are easily brainwashed. i believe young people today don't have enough of this stimulation. charlie: they want to find their own purpose. salma: yes. they think smartly about their own purpose. our future is in their hands. one of the things people said about this movie, they say you ng people are not interested in philosophy. this is a big mistake. they are underestimated. it is not just about entertaining them. we have to find materials that inspire them and inspire them to

think outside the box. because we cannot keep repeating the same patterns in history. charlie: are you talking about your film that will inspire them? salma: my film will inspire them, but we must find different ways. my film will inspire them to think on their own and to appreciate life. which right now, it has become more and more something that is not valued. not others, not their own. we try to entertain ourselves from life, away from life, instead of really pondering upon life. i think that there is a part of them that has not been fed. and that creates a lot of society, everything on the surface. charlie: if i ever met a self-starter, it is you. you're prepared to do whatever it takes, whatever role you need to accept to make something happen. i mean if you have to produce, direct, star.

get all of your friends engaged you're prepared to do what it is. agreed? where does that come from? salma: a sense of conviction. when someone else wants to say -- it is a good exercise for keeping in touch with your amp empathy. at the end learning to be many different characters. when i'm going to go through the trouble of producing, which is a pain in the neck, because it is something i want to say that i have a conviction over and i believe in, every single time they told me it is not that it is impossible, this will never happen, and nobody will like it. charlie: what did you say? salma: i said let's see. and i have been right every time. i hope i'm right with this one too. charlie: this one opens august

seven. in theater. s. salma: may i convince me i confess something? i have stage fright very badly. i go to psychoanalysis. charlie: we are still on the air. salma: it is ok. i will make this confession. it is my shrink that tells me you must make a question in front of everyone. it terrifies me, but i have all these questions in my head. it is an exercise. and i shake. i don't have a lot of questions and i want some answers. and usually they don't answer my questions. charlie: so you are in pursuit of the answer to the question you have. salma: it is an act of bravery to raise my hand. i have a big problem with stage fright. it is an exercise to come out of it. charlie: i credit you and your shrink as well. keep asking questions. the prophet opens on august 7.

thank you for joining us. see you next time. ♪ >> these things move within you as a life sees the shadows. >> you will be free indeed, not in your days without a care or your nights without grief, but rather when these things bite off your life and yet you rise above them. unbound. ♪

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