>> from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. charlie: the top 10 republican nominees faced off on fox news. all of the contenders highlighted conservative themes. donald trump declined to rule out an independent bid. it was good television and one of the most awaited political events of the year. here is a look at some of last night's most memorable moment.

>> this election can't be a resume competition. it's import and to be qualified. but if it's a resume competition, hillary clinton will be president. she has been in office longer than anyone else. i was raised to paycheck to paycheck. how is she going to lecture me about student loans? i owed over $100,000. >> maybe the bar is even higher for me. i have a record in florida. i am proud of my dad and my brother. in florida, they call me jed that because ironed it. >> i think the big problem this country has is being politically correct. i have been challenged by so many people and i don't frankly have time for total political correctness, and to be honest with you, this company doesn't have time either.

fundamentally misunderstand the bill of rights. i am talking about searches without warrants, indiscriminately of all american's records. that's what i thought to end. i don't trust president obama with our records. i know you gave him a big hug. with hillary clinton, i said be at my wedding and she came to my wedding. do you know why? because i gave to a foundation. i did not know her money would be used on private jets going all over the world. >> i just went to a wedding of a friend of mind -- mine who happens to be gay. just because somebody doesn't think the way i do doesn't mean that i can't care about them or love them. if one of my daughters happen to be that, i would love them. >> the russian and chinese governments probably know more

about hillary clinton's e-mail server than the congress. >> i have described many times an alcoholic,was he was not a christian. my father left my mother and me when i was just three years old and someone invited him to a baptist church he gave his heart to do just and it turned him around and then he got up plane and came back to my mother and me. >> i spent seven years of my life fighting terrorism. >> i am the only one that has separated siamese twins. [laughter] operate one to babies and they were still in the mother's womb. the only one to take out half of the brain although if you go to washington, you would think someone had beaten me to it. charlie: joining me from denn, ed, nancy,

webber. he is assisting jeb bush in his bid for the nomination. i am pleased to have all of them on this program. i will not ask you about jeb bush but i want to go to your analysis as a former politician and now a strategist and consultant as to how you saw the debate from your own political experience. >> good and bad. i thought jeb bush did what he needed to do, gave a forceful presentation of his conservative record as governor of florida. we also saw that we have a broad range of candidates, many of whom did quite well last night. that was the good. the big storyt today is largely still donald trump. toad hoped to wake up today

see people talking about anything else. i don't think that ultimately good. i don't mean particular disrespect to him, i just inc. we need to get more of the focused on the other republican candidates and that started to happen last night. do you think this is the beginning of the end for him or does he have staying power? have -- i think of -- i think he has staying power but we saw discontent last night. day, i don't the think he defies the laws of politics forever. >> i think donald trump have an antiestablishment base.

the establishment wing is never going to accept him. i think the angelical wing probably will over time. i think he will diminish over a very short period of time. the media coverage has held him up over time. he is taken all of the oxygen out of everyone else. was basically the donald trump show again and that's why there were 10 million people who watched it. charlie: who had the best night? ed: i think marco rubio. i think bush and walker did not quite make the final sale. they did not hurt themselves. i think carly fiorina is going to need another look. nancy: i agree with ed that marco rubio had a great night. some of them were engaging with trump. he was one who sort of made the

i am post tok, thousands, i am a candidate for the next century. i am going to rise above. i thought john kasich presented himself well. he had a really low bar. he is still pulling at 1% or 2%. he showed in front of a hometown crowd that he has good ideas and a sense of humor. he made a nod to the people who donald trump is appealing to. he said, i get it, i understand why they like him. but he laid out his own platform. jeanne: they threw a couple zingers at marco rubio and he navigated them right there in live time in front of people, really professionally and in a

polished way. he was basically invited to say something bad about jed. he didn't. he stepped away from that. i think that thinking on your was pretty impressive from him and i think that's what made van,ave a better night say, bush and walker. nick: i think hasek had the best way of handling trump. kasichk -- nancy: when he was asked about

the misogynistic comments he made, what did he do? he made more. wasing out megan kelly, he still going on twitter at 3:30 in the morning and working this out of his system. cares about his fight with rosie o'donnell which is 10 years old. nancy: he retweeted someone who megyn kelly a bimbo. charlie: will the events take him on? a lot of people will be conflicted if they have to defend anyone in the news media. [laughter] i don't think it's wise for a candidate to take him on directly as their strategy. the candidates we have talked about, rubio, walker, bush that have a real shot, maybe carly fiorina at being our nominee need to focus on defining

themselves and not defining themselves simply in negative terms towards trump. i think that because of ed's analysis, i think is an will deflate him. i think it will take longer than ed thinks it will take. decide toe who will define their candidacy and opposition of trump is doing so because they have not defined themselves and that's not where you want to be if you want to win. charlie: what was it about carly fiorina's performance in the first debate that made her stand out? jeanne: chino what she wanted to say. she had polished, precise answers -- she knew what she wanted to say. the republican party wants a fighter, especially in debate. they want someone who will come out and fight for their convictions. she was willing to take hillary on. she was willing to take on her republican rivals. the interesting thing about the

happy hour debate is that to get out of there, somebody has to take down one of the top 10. so you have to fight to get into that top 10. she was willing to go there. that is why she was such a standout. ed: she has no political base. she lost california by a million votes. she has to raise money which she has not been able to do today. she has to get some numbers to get in that next debate and my sense is that she would get a lot of media attention the next couple weeks, but it will be a tough hurdle. nick: attention will move quickly to her business record, to her golden parachute when she was fired. she have a lot of older abilities.

-- vulnerabilities. chris christie and rand paul. they mixed it up a bit. nancy: they did, to both of their benefits. a lot of people were predicting that if there was going to be a brawl on the stage, it would be between chris christie and rand paul. it is long established that there is no love lost between the two of them. both of them have kind of gotten a little lost in the shuffle lately. they were not interested in really taking on trump the way some of the candidates were lower in the polls have done. -- trump wase feeling a lot of their thunder as far as outspoken conservatives. they both needed to get back in the conversation and this fight helped them do it. it was a fight over privacy .ssues

rand paul said, look, we need to be collecting fewer documents, not more from individuals. chris christie called him out and said, i have actually had to take on terrorists. he really wanted to remind everyone watching at home that he has this unique experience. hand,aul, on the other wants to remind people he is the biggest privacy advocate on the stage. think he lost almost every one of those exchanges. he took several shots at donald trump, he lost almost everyone. if you are being defined as the attack. but no one knows who you are or what you are about, it is not going to affect you. bush,e: speaking of jeb we have established you are a consultant and friend i'm sure. what is wrong with his campaign? for those who suggest that he can't seem to bring it all together, he has raised a town of money, but it's not as strong a campaign as people thought it

might be. vin: i'm not sure i agree with that, charlie. back to the point that ed just made, the debate is one huge event but now we are back to basics. that governor bush's campaign has done pretty well with the basics. there raised a lot of money, they are putting organizations together around the country. i think that the only problem with the bush campaign is that there was an expectation many months ago that he was going to come in and completely dominate the field and what we have found is that the field is pretty strong and nobody is able to dominate it, not even donald trump as quirky as he is. but i think that governor bush is on track. i think he has strong, serious competitors, but i still think he is the most likely republican nominee and the republican nominee best able to broaden our peel in a way that can win the white house back. campaigne clinton clearly still thinks he is the most likely nominee because he

is the one that she attack when she does attack. he is the one you get press releases from about all the time from the clinton campaign. they still think that he is the person they need to draw the sharpest contrast with. my sense is that he is someone who can attract the establishment. he is going to be a contender. i'm not saying he's going to win, but the potential is there and i think we all need to look at that. i served with john kasich in the congress. i know him well. i am pro-bush but i want to make it real clear, i am not anti- kasich, he is a great guy. ♪

charlie: will we now see a turning point where there will be more attention focused on the other candidates? i think so. bush has the establishment element. kasich will have an independent but very good campaign moving forward. i think the critical thing here is that we need to get out of 17. or are way too many candidates. we are already down to five or

six serious people. walker, rubio -- my guess is that carson and huckabee will falter. will have a great and tatian to go hard right. if you think you are not making that cut, how do you get back in the game? you go hard for the republican base and there is a little risk in that because it will drag some of those top five candidates along with them. charlie: who has the evangelical vote in the republican party right now in the primaries? jeanne: they've been rallying

around ted cruz. huckabee as well. what's interesting is that you don't see as many of them rallying around santorum early even though they were so important in just the last election cycle to helping him win the iowa caucus. they could still come to him, but cruz moved early and forcefully and passionately to and lock down some portion of that vote. even with his announcement speech. i think he's got a head start when it comes to evangelical voters. ed: if your goal was to be the blunt straight talker, you ifnot beat trump -- nick:

your goal was to be the blunt straight talker, you cannot beat trump. rubio locked himself into a hard position on abortion last night. i think we will see more of a differentiation on policy which could be good for the primary but bad for the general. ed: compared to previous compared to- vin: previous campaigns, nobody has the evangelical vote like huckabee did. i might agree with jeanne that cruz has a bit of an edge but it's nothing like candidates who have used that as an ad to promote their campaigns in the past. a: we know almost have southern primary in march and the evangelicals are very strong in the south that it's a different kind. trump also said

he is not ruling out a third-party candidacy. up i would love to line conservatives to take him out in new hampshire. then there are people who have a different point of view on that and they think ross perot kept towards bush from winning the presidency. there is some dispute on that. i accept that that data is accurate. i do think, in a higher-level analysis, the effect of growth throughout the campaign was debilitating to bush -- perot throughout the campaign was debilitating to bush. i think he had a corrosive effect on the bush presidency. ed: 4 million republicans voted for clinton.

if they had voted for bush, he would have been the president. what do you make of the campaign so far? have trumpdid not around, the biggest story of the summer would be the decline of hillary clinton's candidacy. to judge her from when she left the secretary of state's office till now, it has been a collapse of report -- support and all of the negative news stories that have eroded her popularity will not go away for a long time. she still has a huge lock on the democratic party. sense any concern about her winning the nomination at all. bad thing. and a if she bounces back, that's a good thing, but if she continues to erode and the stories continue to take their toll on her, it's a problem for the democrats. nancy: who knows what would happen is she was facing the

kind of feel these republicans are facing but she's not. her biggest competition is bernie sanders and she is ng very well.lli one we asked him a kratz, do you think she is honest and trustworthy, three out of four of them said yes. --n we asked if we view her if they view her favorably, eight out of 10 said yes. a lot of these people could be saying that they will hold their nose and vote for her, but i really don't want to, but that's not what our polling shows. they are standing by her. when you throw that question open to the entire electorate, her numbers plummet. ed: i have been in a scheme for 50 years. theyey don't trust you, will not vote for you. there is no doubt in my mind that she will be the democratic candidate. is most telling story i saw

that white women are starting to move away from her. if she can't hold white women, she will matter be a viable candidate at the end of the day? -- day. jeanne: that's not all she has to do. she has to expand her support among white women. it's twofold. hold them and grow. have baked in an expectation that the minority , particularly among african-americans, won't be at record levels, even if barack obama is not on this ticket. to build the obama coalition, they have to have a way of making up for a potential slip among african-american voters. they need that to be for now, white women and that looks to be a much bigger challenge for them

than we might have thought. that said, we are so early in this race and no one can predict what the historic nature of her candidacy might ultimately due to the female vote. she has run one of the worst campaigns i have seen. she has everything going for her and i think she has run a terrible campaign. charlie: do you think these e-mails will come out because somehow, somewhere, they will my have been deleted? ed: sure. you can't delete anything anymore. the difference now is, i don't worry about benghazi and the house committee. i would be worried about the chairman of the judiciary committee. he has a bone in his mouth and he has as tough a guy i have ever dealt with. nancy: or a criminal investigation by the department of justice. to see awe don't want rerun of bush-clinton. vin: at the end of the day, i don't think it's definitive. it is out there.

governor bush has to answer the question all the time and there is a lot of republicans that are simply fearful that the bush -- a third bush presidency is too high a hurdle to climb. aty don't object to them all. there is a great admiration for the family. meetnk it fades as people jeb bush and distinguish him as an individual, not just a member of a family. but there's no question, there is a lot of talk about that. charlie: what will be the defining issue of this campaign once all is said and done? leadership and strength in the international arena. the middle east will get bigger and bigger before this election. somebody that can convince the country that america can lead again in the world. that's sort of what ed said that i put it a little bit

differently. sense ofa growing pessimism about america's ability to lead in the world and the leader that comes forward and says that's not true, america is ill a force for good -- still a force for good, that's the candidate who will be president. ed: you always were more articulate than me. a campaignll, he is manager. nick: the economy is improving bit by bit. are we looking at obama's foreign policy as the dividing issue? nick: it will be what will be on the plate of the next president. jeanne: i think we are probably going to come home. if we are talking about a general election, i think that many americans want to find out who is the person that they believe will get the economy

churning, not growing bit by bit, but moving again. nancy: i agree with jeanne. i think the candidates need to clear a bar on foreign policy. they need to show they would be a strong commander-in-chief and have ideas. what are you going to do about stagnant wages? what are you going to do about my rising cost of living? how my going to get ahead? how will i do better than my hair in seattle what happened to the -- how will i do better than my parents? what happened to the american dream? charlie: thank you all. we will be right back. ♪

charlie: jason segel is here. he plays the late austin -- in ar david austin wallace new film and here is the trailer. >> when i think of this trip, i see david and me in the front seat of his car. he wants something better than he has. i want precisely what he has already. david wallace, welcome to minneapolis. david and david. >> we only just met. he is writing a piece on me.

what is the story you have in mind? >> what it's like to be the most famous writer in the country. >> are you a nervous guy? >> no. what's with the bandanna? >> i'm afraid my head is going to explode. if we ate like this all the time -- >> if we ate like this all the time, what would happen? isn't it reassuring to have a lot of people review? >> it's about why. what is so american about what i'm doing? >> your work is really personal. reading you is another way of meeting you. >> that's so good. next thank you. -- >> thank you.

>> there is an emptiness at the heart of what they thought was going on. i have a real serious fear of being a certain way. eight --n't grab open you don't crack open a thousand page book because you heard the author is a regular guy. >> i'm not so sure you want to be me. just be a good guy. the more people think you are cash --reat, the bigger keep peopleks from being lonely. i am very pleased to

have jason segel here at this table. welcome. jason: thank you, this is a real treat. charlie: how so? jason: i watched your show growing up and i watched your interview with david foster wallace over and over again in prep for the movie. it was one of the few examples i had of him during this period which is a really important distinct period because things are going well at that moment. as you can as sharp possibly see him, but also, in my opinion, all of these things are guesses as i prepared to play him. but i think there is this sort of moment going on where things go as well as you dreamed they will go and you are confronted with the fact that you still feel the same. it's a very scary moment, i think. charlie: tell me more about him. well, i suppose he is a

writer who resonates with people so deeply because he feels like one of us. jest," itd "infinite came at a very particular time in my life where i had been working for about 17 years in this business and had varying degrees of success and most of them were real high highs. i found myself feeling really dissatisfied. if anything was supposed to do it, dancing down the street with the muppets should have done it. [laughter] you know what i mean? for a guy like me, i should go to sleep feeling really good that night. but i found that voice in the back of my head that either tells you you are doing great or you are nothing. i just -- charlie: or you are doing great but it's not enough. jason: that's right.

jest" and inite felt like it was me or one of my friends but with the emotional vocabulary that you wished you had who is able to articulate these feelings that you don't know how to express that you push down and try to ignore. all of a sudden, you feel like i have a friend. and he is willing to do the talking for me. charlie: this movie is about the tour he did where he was going from town to town, followed by a rolling stones writer. in a sense, the writer wanted to be him. jason: a book comes out and people say it is the book of a generation. .he awards have been decided i would imagine that as a writer himself, he was like, if i could just get there. and then you have david foster

wallace looking back at this kid, his younger self, saying, i just got bad news, there is no there. this road goes on forever. now, ii make their right am going to have a very hard time. charlie: this is a scene in which he is talking to david lipsky about his discomfort. to do a profile on one of you guys who has done a profile on me. >> that's interesting. maybe for rolling stone. >> it would be interesting though. >> you think? >> no. >> you're going to go back to new york and you are going to shape this thing and i think i would like to shape the impression that's coming across. i'm not even sure if you like me yet. charlie: wow. he has the sense of being able

to pierce right through which is the essence of the moment. jason: he has the biggest brain in the room at all times. what a difficult thing it is just to feel normal and at one with what is going on when you are aware of everybody's motivations at all times. you can see the angle everyone is working. david lipsky is there to profile him. david foster wallace has done numerous profiles of people so he was aware of how this works and who is watching someone who probably had lesser skill at that, with all due respect, try to dissect him. he could see it happening. charlie: that's really remarkable. he knew all the moves. this is an interview that i did with david foster wallace which, , this is onejason of the interviews i get asked about most.

david: coming on television stimulates your, what am i going to look like, like nothing else. you have been told -- you have been set as a writer that defines a generation. that's how i feel about you. i hear a brain at work. where are you going to go? david: not exploding would be a good place to start. that kind of stuff, i dissociate very well. it's a useful talent. writing for publication is a very weird thing because part of and you want to say in libraries and not be bothered. another part of you is like look at me look at me. you have a fantasy about writing something that makes everything

-- everyone dropped to one knee. isget a little bit of it strange because very often for me, i didn't read a whole lot of the reviews but a lot of the did not have a good understanding of the books. i wanted them to be extraordinarily sad. most of the reviewers who really liked them seemed to like them because they were funny or erudite or interesting. charlie: i just love talking to him. i think he worked for the dictionary at the end of his life. that's not a joke. i think he was literally defining words for the oxford english dictionary. i could be wrong but i think that's true. . heard him say something else david lipsky recorded these days and made them available to me. david lipsky says, "it must feel good to have people respond to

the book the way they have." and he says, "well, i am not a and he says, well i am not a dummy. a lot of these reviews came out after the -- two weeks after the book came out. the reviews are about the buzz of the book, not the book itself. the book takes at least a month to read. charlie: you were not an obvious choice for this. jason: that's right. charlie: why did the director want you? jason: it was a really interesting moment for me honestly. the director said that he saw something behind my eyes in my comedy dating back to freaks and geeks when i was a kid that was very sad. i knew what he was talking about. somebody -- to have

somebody pointed out so explicitly and say, i see this, and this is not something for you to be ashamed of, you should build around that, that's special. charlie: what's amazing to me and admiring as well is that you have beenat you paying attention to all the people who didn't think you are right. you just said, i'm not going to pay attention to that. i'm going to pay attention to what i have to do witches capture him and understand him, his mannerisms, his voice, his inflections. anythinge challenge in is, you have to take your ego out of it which i have gotten much better at doing. there is some version of being

resentful, i'll show them, it's not going to help me. whenactually is the truth i heard that is that i totally understood because you but up against the limits of people's imagination. they have plenty going on in their own lives for them to take the time to try to understand a nuanced view of what i might be capable of doing. it's not their job. charlie: i know exactly what you mean. jason: what was my job was to eliminate all of the voices that were telling me i couldn't do it and to be honest, the loudest one was my own. i was not really worried about anybody else. i was worried about the part of me that might try to play this part of apologetic. just that little list bit so that when you watch the movie, he doesn't really buy it. if i don't buy it, nobody else does. charlie: you are both about the same height. 6'4". i am always interested in whether did -- the director is influence not only by talent which he obviously is but also by physical resemblance.

he made you look like david foster wallace. amazingt was a really team of hair and makeup people and we had a photograph from the actual four days. we knew exactly what he looked like during that time. said, what you are trying to balance, especially coming from comedy, is accuracy versus butting up against an impression. you don't wanted to feel like, oh, look, he is doing even foster wallace. you want to get to the point somehow where you have captured a witch's brew of things that the audience is willing to say, for the next hour and a half, that is david foster wallace. charlie: i don't see an actor trying to imitate david foster wallace. jason: i think so. i felt like by the time they said action, confident enough to feel that way. charlie: i always wonder as well

there wasether anything anybody could have done to stop him from doing what he did, to hang himself and commit suicide. jason: i just don't know. -- i amthat it's very also unqualified to answer the question. i think that when you deal with issues like this, we all have varying degrees of these feelings. but i think when you have them really acutely, one of the things you are aware of is it's your job to manage your feelings moment to moment. i think it's a little bit like having a twisted ankle where even though i am sitting here, i am aware that i am going to have to stand at the end of this interview. charlie: and you know what it will feel like. jason: yes. and right around the corner, these feelings are there and they can take me for a ride, some i have no control over. control ort you lose

you get a little less diligent and something overtakes you. he writes really beautifully about depression in a lot of his work. the sort of overpowering nature. of just kind idea of feel your way out of it. i think it shows a lack of understanding of how completely immersive that feeling is. charlie: did he talk about david lipsky much? jason: a bit. there were some things in the recordings that really moved me. one of them is when he talks about using every mental really hitand that me. using all the mental gymnastics at his disposal just to feel ok. iss one of the things that raised in the movie, the thought that david foster wallace was putting on for lipsky's benefit. i think there is a facade, but i don't beget is for lipsky's benefit, i think it's for his own benefit. just to construct a version of

yourself where you feel ok moment to moment. stuff is sort of fake it till you make it. i will choose to feel ok today. charlie: the interesting thing people whossion, have been there and are there talk about how severe the pain is. just pain. jason: there is a passage from infinite jest where a girl is brought into the hospital after a failed suicide attempt and the doctor says why did you want to hurt yourself? laughs and she says you think i wanted to hurt myself? i was trying to end the pain. charlie: the interesting thing about david and what he has talked about at the core of the film is this observation about knowing he's in the throes of it but almost wants to be bemused by it all or more.

jason: what a tough dichotomy to desperately just want to feel normal and at one with what is going on and all of a sudden, everyone wants you to be other. once you to be -- wants you to be something other than that. charlie: once you to be how they imagine you to be. it justifies for lipsky why his book didn't do as well. it must be because he is david foster wallace. charlie: if i had what he had, i would be where he is. this is another clip talking about the appeal of alanis morissette. can you tell me about that poster over there? -- >> alanis?

>> yet. -- yes. >> why is she appealing? way that pretty in a is not erotic because they don't look like anybody that you know. you can't imagine them putting a quarter in a parking meter or eating a bologna sandwich whereas alanis morissette, i can and have imagined her chowing down on a bologna sandwich. charlie: you also see him thinking out loud which is great. jason: it's one of the things i noticed during your interview. i have never seen somebody able to construct a fully formed argument off-the-cuff. one of the things i really noticed, do you remember a movie called minority report? this computer screen where he is able to move information around. i would watch david foster wallace talk and it was like a man with all the information at

his disposal moving stuff around and creating the argument. he was talking with his hands in a way that he was conducting language. charlie: what was the toughest part for you? jason: a movie like this is a test of how honest you are willing to be on screen. there are not big plot movements in the movie. it is about if you are willing to go there. because these are very nuanced emotions. it's people talking about feelings of loneliness and dissatisfaction and depression and thoughts of suicide. feel like i amo reciting something somebody else said, or am i willing to speak from the heart? that's what felt like the biggest challenge. charlie: what's interesting is that at the time, you are about 34? jason: 35 now. 34 ate: and he was about

this time in his life. in a sense, you were thinking about the idea of where do i fit in and what do i do next and i have this huge success on television but it's not exactly what i define as who i am. jason: i think i was at a point where i was feeling a real separation between what i was thinking about and what i was putting on screen, which doesn't feel good when you write your own material. i look back at something like "forgetting sarah marshall" and it is really reflective of where i was at 24 years old where a breakup feels like the most important thing in the world. bravee extent, i got less about my choices and started thinking i have had success doing this thing, i will continue doing that. i think at some point, i just started to feel like why am i continuing to do this? charlie: what happened to david lipsky? jason: i was with him today.

david lipsky went on to write the article, did not get published when he came back from these four days. he was sent off to do another story. charlie: why wasn't it published? jason: it ended up being published after david foster wallace passed away. he came back. there was sort of a heroin davidic going on and lipsky was assigned to go cover this heroine story and when he came back, it was three months andr the book had come out in the publishing world, that's a lifetime and the story was no longer applicable. writes? today, he what does he say? jason: this movie is based on david lipsky's book which is basically a transcript of the four days. david lipsky recorded all of this on a tape recorder.

beautiful memory of these four days with him. i think it meant a great deal to david lipsky. i don't want to speak for him, but i think there are things he would do differently. charlie: what else other than watching him on television helped you get david foster wallace? jason: honestly, i think there was nothing more informative than reading infinite jest. that is fiction, but i feel like it is the most honest thing i have ever read. i feel like david foster wallace is everything the one of those characters. manme, it felt more like a speaking in metaphor than fiction. i felt like he was talking about himself. you've got a recovery house in boston that's one of the prongs. the second is a tennis academy

which represents achievements. the third is this international conspiracy involving entertainment. these are the central themes that he was thinking about. he was thinking about fame, and things like addiction. charlie: he was not thinking about death. jason: you know, i don't know. i don't know the answer to that. had to guess, i actually think that there were moments where he probably was. charlie: he had to. to do what he did. jason: listen, the leap of faith david foster wallace makes in his writing is that we are all the same i think. my experience would be that when you're dealing with things like that, you are thinking about all of that kind of stuff. he also thought one of his most enduring qualities was empathy. jason: i think that's the same

premise. the idea we are all the same, our emotions are very similar if you strip away a lot of the ego on top of it. i think that's why his writing resonates so much because you feel like it's you. it's the way that people feel when they first read "catcher in the reich" in high school. in high sudden -- rye" school. all you would say is get out of my room and now you have read someone who can articulate it. charlie: it's like they have been inside your mind and repeated it to you in a way that was more crystal and more clear than you could have thought about it. the gift of a writer. jason: i felt a great deal of for people who felt ownership of david foster wallace when they heard that i was cast. charlie: i did too. you are tampering with something that is dear to me, my admiration and respect for him.

i don't want you to screw up my david foster wallace. jason: that's right, he has been in my heart. that is a special place to be. that is a rare gift. charlie: it is a great pleasure to have you here. jason: thank you so much. it has been my pleasure. charlie: thank you so much for joining us. we will see you next time. ♪

rishaad: case tuesday. i rishaad salamat and you are business."rending here's a look at what we are watching. currency check. the yuan tumbled dramatically. another sign of the deepening slowdown and the government's growing concern. 18 year high of the nikkei unseen for two decades. however, we are nowhere near the height of the good old days.

nuclear reactions. about then japan approach of the shutdown in fukushima. follow me on twitter. don't forget to include #trending business. reaction by the move to the people's bank of china. david: as far as equity markets are concerned, not a lot of reaction. the hang seng index, one and a half percent. that is the big story. forget equities. this is something we rarely see. a big adjustment here. really what was a rare occasion with a generous amount of potential based on what they thought about the exchange rates. the value of the currency and this point. that ith