>> with all due respect to donald trump --two can play at that game. >> i like this bird. happy national lemonade day. butur lineup tonight -- first trump. of staging jeb bush in new hampshire hosting a town hall meeting 20 miles away. he treated the dual like a

politic slam. with, jeb responded links what some are calling a tirade. >> is a big difference. i'm a proven conservative with a record. i cut taxes. he has proposed the largest tax increase in mankind's history. been consistently pro-life. until recently, he was for partial-birth abortion. i've never met a person who actually thought that was a good idea. system. a single payer he's been a democrat longer than being a republican. i have fought for conservative politics my entire life. when people get this narrative, this compare and contrast narrative, they will find i will will vote for. immigration policies he's brought up are not conservative the of her. it will cost hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars.

will disrupt families. the idea you have another company pay for the infrastructure of your own country will not happen. the stopyou will have people remitting to other countries will not happen. all of this is to appeal to angst ratherr in than solutions. let's go talk about this two or three months from now. i hope you all are still around. you will find you have forgotten existed august 20. i have been hillary clinton by 12 and lord. when people start realizing we need to win, they will look a lot closer -- i have beaten hillary clinton by 12 in florida. >> trump was asked if he was getting under jeb bush's skin. has he done exactly that? you were at the media availability. the bushyou talk to

people, they say this is a gift for us. we have a candidate accused of being lackluster. a will be able to prove he's conservative in contrast. the problem is everything jeb bush said after his appearance is correct. effect have just as much . this war, which trump relishes, and bush hesitantly goes in to, he's fighting with an uzi and .ush with a bow and arrow >> last night, donald trump was on fire. i wouldt screen images, use a different metaphor, the difference between technicolor and black-and-white were grainy.

compelling right now. bush is not. the one thing that is true is not only does bush get to put on what they call the conservative uniform and respect to trump, but he needs to put it on more generally on the party where more people suspect he's a moderate. he's got to do it with a lot and less grim a visage. al: i agree but let me disagree with you strongly on trump. that was a show. it was entertainment. it was substance free, nothing but a bunch of demagogue. at some point that catches up to you. there was no contact last night. john: that man was her gold. say it ain't so, joe. and a new quinnipiac poll joe biden perform slightly better or at with hillary clinton.

in florida, biden leading trump by three points while clinton is behind the donald by two or in ohio, biden leading trump by double digits also better than clinton. in pennsylvania the vice betternt trumping again than hillary. there's a similar pattern in matchups between jeb bush and marco rubio. how good is this news for joe biden as he considered whether he will get in this race? how bad is it for hillary clinton? al: good and bad. you frame did exactly right. case against joe biden getting in is you will not win. you will embarrass yourself. you will be a three-time loser rather than going out on a high. these polls out to be very encouraging. if a field this e-mail stuff will be dripping and they will

be even more emboldened. john: we will agree more than disagree on this. joe biden's point of view, if he gets in this race he will be running with electability. democrats are worried about hillary clinton and her ability to be elected due to the damage. they have indicated they have reason to worry. better wither be the women, african-americans, latinos. he can sell he will be a stronger candidate against whoever the republicans put up. he knows that's his blade. to the extent he's thinking seriously that encourages a lot -- she knows that's his play. if i were her, these numbers would worry me greatly. could not agree more. i think we have to put in one caveat. we have a great deal of

affection for joe biden. he's run before and it's been less than sterling success. that but i still think when push comes to shove biden is less likely rather than more likely to get in. with the clamor of the establishment democrats grows louder, he wants to run. if his heart he wants to run. the things holding him back are the practicalities. let's move on. mp,ay, in the daily womp wo the badly for hillary clinton surrounding e-mails gets worse. the cloth,th jennifer palmieri, and today reports law enforcement officials are investigating how classified material found its members sent to her private e-mail addresses. that should be some nice each reading while she sets off for

her vacation and hamptons. this foreen on top of the begetting. on the scale of incremental to monumental, how is this particular newsbreak today? plus plus.ntal i know jen wolcott, one of the reporters. that me back up for just a second and say the petronius parallels, --etraeus he gave classified information to his mistress. he gave it to someone. that is a far more serious charge than even the worst case so far against hillary clinton. and they drip drip don't seem to want to a knowledge it. as i say, this is at least incremental plus plus. john: i think it's halfway between incremental and monumental. the f guys investigating the server to find out if it was secure -- the fbi is

investigating. this directly contradicts that. they want to know how the messages got to her. the focus seems to be more on than her at this point but the questions for people around hillary clinton -- is it possible they were looking at classified material, summarizing it, and trying to skirt the classification laws? all of these things are troubling. they are troubling for hillary clinton and the aides. it's not monumental but it's not good. jokescarter was making and looked upbeat this morning but the former announced today that the cancer he recently made public has shown up in small spots on his brain. he will begin radiation and he says he's ready for anything. he says he's had 90 years of a wonderful life and it's hard if not impossible to disagree.

out, you've been covering politics for a very, very, very long time. what did you make of the news conference he gave in atlanta this morning? wife covered him as governor so i rely on harm. with him aan event year ago. i could not get over how incredibly alert, sharp he is. this is a very tough diagnosis .ut this is one tough bird his presidency is not honored a of theeal but he's one greatest ex-president's of all time. if anybody can beat this it's jimmy carter. john: he cited his christian faith. a lot of people forget he was an evangelical. at a time when democrats christiana lot of voters. his work as a humanitarian

post-presidency is what has made it so great and that has been fueled, i think, by his faith which was very evident today. there is the degree of transparency here's. be they kept things under the covers when they got sick. ronald reagan and nancy reagan went a long way from that when announcing his alzheimer's. super admirable and helps to break post-presidency into a new range of openness about these things. al: a moment of great valor and we are all rooting for him. wen: blessings and hopes, are all on team carter now. coming up, live from new orleans after this. ♪

our guest tonight has two things

in common with me. she loves new orleans. we are going to play a sound for your right now. you will recognize these voices. take a listen and we will have a chat. >> bush is in favor of common core. >> i don't think he represents the republican party in his views. they are way out of the mainstream. >> i think he's a stiff. he's a somebody who does not want to do what he's doing. weather is donald or barack obama, their narrative of divisive this is wrong. >> he pushes people don't agree with him down. bush is totally controlled by the people who gave him that money. is an ignoringer them. you have to stand up to him. >> you know it's happening to his crowd down the street? they are sleeping. >> when people look at his record, it's not a conservative

record. john: mary, you recognize both of those voices -- jeb bush and donald trump. the war of words is hot running. who's winning the fight right now? publicly supportive of the trunk candidacy and there are three ways to deal with him. one was to dismiss or attack which is what the establishment did. that was wrong because it in turn dismiss is anger and anxiety that's real in america area the second is to pander to him, which is also wrong, because some americans don't want trump but they want the spunk. the third way, which is what bush did yesterday, is to principles, first his policies, his real record of reform in florida. when the rubber hits the road the spunk has to turn into

substance. we've been around for a while. people don't know jeb bush's record. he was one of the reform governors in the 90's. themember when he was extremist and he put in place conservative policies, cut taxes every year, cut the government, ended up with an $8 billion surplus. he led the nation in job growth, small business growth. people don't remember that. they remember the last seven or eight years. his unemployment was one third of obama's and his growth was three times. that is the compare and contrast. trump does not know him either. he called him low energy and a stiff. you all know that he's neither the article or theoretical. he's intense. he's the only one of the bush clan that scared me.

he's a taskmaster and he's not low energy. i think it was a strategic mistake for trunk to poke him .he way he did this match goes to jeb and it fits in his long-haul strategy. john: you think jeb is winning the fight right now. themention something along way about candidates pandering to him. if you think is pandering to him not to their benefit? trump took off the table is the presumption of the the media and the political junkies should set the agenda or that we have to politically correct. those were saying, i support his immigration rights but i'm not going to name him, they know who they are. the habitat did to and understand that there is real anxiety, fear, frustration,

anger in the country not just at the obama record but republicans to sweeping midterms and nothing has changed. that's real. jeb was never part of the d.c. problem. he was a reform governor. governors and other candidates who were either not part of the problem and everybody has to put their policies on the table. the benefit of jeb is he has a real record. john: al hunt, go right ahead. how are you, mary? good to talk to you from new orleans. >> are you coming down for katrina 10? al: i would love to come down anytime to be entertained. you have said that trump could actually be good for the

republican party. he calls jeb bush dumb. he says the bush cheney iraq war a travesty. he dismisses them as lightweights. can that possibly be good for the republican party? >> he's not speaking for all americans. his all americans, i like long. i like that he gets more mad at the republican party. field. a very stellar people want the fight and the substance. we have not even gotten our jerseys dirty yet. we're basically in spring training. the real game is on the field after labor day and then we get into the long-haul. i think whatever he calls the other candidates is belied by their presentations and performance. will have ay you better record than the new

orleans saints. >> hey you. al: if one of the super pac's said we wouldd take out negative ads on the donald -- good or bad idea? >> ridiculous idea. as i said, the first reaction that the establishment took, which was wrong, was to dismiss or attack area and does represent some real anger in the country. in the they like the swing and swagger. what needs to be attacked are his policy prescriptions and his record. what conservative ones, but the country wants, is some conservative governance which has proved itself to be successful in the states were governors have control and we have unified control of the chambers. jeb'sved successful in tenure and counterproductive in

obama's tenure. his record and policy prescriptions so far, he has long. he's on the deal but he does not thata policy prescriptions are detailed. i get it. people don't want the details. tore's nothing he has proved work anywhere except on his own show stage. john: mary, i'm taking it back. i want to play another piece of sound. this goes on and on. it's never going to stop. why is he out there defending her? why can't we just attack her like we want to? i've been dealing with this for 23 years. it will not amount to a hill of beans. hill of amount to a beans, just a bunch of people talking to each other spinning

themselves up. your fabulous husband there defending hillary clinton there. what are you think about that? >> i feel his pain. he's been doing it for 23 years and america's been putting up with it. i don't see how that's a positive message. mendacity is her middle name. i don't think that's important to anyone but junkies. her mendacity is and her policies are and she is even running more left than obama, if that's possible. she just said the other day that her answer to what ails us is not to change hearts and minds but to redistribute wealth. well, of course we are going to swing at that because that's not what made the country grow and has made us stuck where it is. james has been dealing with this for 23 years and far worse for

us who have been having to deal with him. john: go home and tell your husband that he's completely full of craft. thank you, mary matalin. very specialth a commercial for hillary clinton right after this. ♪

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