john: i'm john heilemann. mark: and i'm mark halperin. with all due respect to the writing team, you missed the ball on this one. >> if there was ever a time to use the headline, biden in time, the event. -- that is it. >> biding his time. >> biding his time. >> joe seems to be biden his time. >> is he just biden his time? >> the past eight years, just biden his time. thank you, thank you very much. ♪ [laughter] mark: on the show tonight, the

findings talk covers the stocks. but first, throwing rocks. the only one worth taking down. today jeb engaged the front running donald in englewood, colorado. jeb bush: mr. trump believes you can just round people up. and it is an easy thing to do because he is a successful guy and he can have successful people do it and it will work out. well, the cost of this will be extraordinary and disrupt community life. it does not embrace american values that i think should be respected. it is not a conservative plan. it's not practical. it will cost hundreds of billions. it is not going to have been -- have been either. it is not possible to do it. he's proposed eliminating remittances. so who is going to decide who is legally remitting money back to their families in other countries? are we going to have to just go door-to-door and did this?

-- do this? you can't build a wall and solve this. if you have been to the border, if you -- l, citizens on the -- unless you build in the middle of the rio grande river, which i don't think it's feasible, the cost is extraordinary. the terrain makes it impossible. it is a great soundbite, but it is not defensible in terms of a practical policy. mark: another day of data about jeb bush and whether this is an effective way for him to advance his candidacy by taking on trump. what do you think? john: i will get to my caveats in a moment. but on paper, the notion of making this mano a mano fight with donald trump, being feisty, being conservative, trying to peel away some supporters from marco rubio and john kasich who don't like the fact that those guys are being quiet about trump, all of the paper makes sense. my caveat i will reserve.

mark: the bush campaign is not in a take every thing. they took a pass on fighting over barbara bush. but they are going to look to do this to try to help define jeb bush. my caveats are, jeb bush says he wants to do two things. one, be joyful. that did not look like a joyful man. he has to learn to do that. the other is, he said he's not going to say things that will hurt winning in the chance of the general election. jon kyl into your first point, your howard stern i first point, believe, said he thinks jeb bush speaks spanish better than english. i think there's something to that. not only is he not joyful he's , also just sort of yammering and stammering, he's not driving the message he wants to drive. on paper it works. the performance is sorely lacking. mark: he talked about planned parenthood and seemed to want to get rid of it. he's making errors in the context of going after trump.

that's a problem. john: trump tower is not just a skyscraper. we will be there tomorrow to interview the donald live on this program, so tune into that. trump towers is also a description of the donald's relationship to the republican field. he so far above the others that they are barely able to be heard. but if you copy your ear, -- cup your ear you can discern the , wind brings of candidates saying trump things. like this from scott walker in new hampshire on friday, when all the attention was on trump in alabama. scott walker: you're fighting a war, you identify who the enemy is. we have said it repeatedly. it is radical islamic terrorism. it is a war against not only america and israel, against christians, jews, even the handful of reasonable moderate followers of islam who don't share the radical beliefs that these radical islamic terrorists have. mark: just a handful. john: just a handful of moderate muslims.

fyi, we asked the walker campaign. they replied that walker knows full well the majority of muslims want peace. having said that, this is not the only candidate who has said a few trumpian things that have been blown away. no one has paid attention. are those things going to come candidates,t those or are they going to get away scott free? emily: i don't think scott walker -- mark: i don't think scott walker thinks it's only a handful i , think he misspoke. in short-term, they get away with it. i think if you are going to beat donald trump, if you will be a finalist, you have to improve performance. a negative effect is these guys are not getting coverage. they are not going to get better if they are not covered. john: it's a funny thing, it would be bad for them in some sense if these things got a lot of attention and they got hammered, on the other hand, whoone like scott walker has been too loose with his language, it would be better for him to get hammered in some

ways, because he can learn from that. mark: he has big issues. he has a big rally in iowa today and jeb bush said the thing i referred to earlier, about planned parenthood, the wealthy. let's listen to what jeb bush said earlier. jeb bush: i for one don't think they should get a penny. that is the difference. because they are not actually doing women's health issues. [applause] they are involved in something way different than that. mark: the democrats are jumping all over that. that may come back to haunt him. today, if jeb bush was a front-runner runner, saying planned parenthood shouldn't get any money and they don't do have health care, he would be hammered. he's going to get off easy. john: hillary clinton tweeted about it today. but it seems like, he made an error the last time when he said i don't want to provide money

for women's health. i thought he learned. i don't know if it's a mistake or they are trying to hide that -- hug that rail. mark: i think the last one was misspeaking, today he seemed purposeful. if he makes these kind of areas, if he ever gets to be the front runner again, it's going to be problematic. there are a lot of duels happening in the context of the candidacy. trump.s jeb bush versus hillary also. and then there is another one being overlooked. that is walker versus rubio. marco rubio, from florida and scott walker from wisconsin have been matched up on august 14th. walker announced he will give a speech about obamacare. a couple of days later, marco rubio wrote an op-ed in politico that recycled a previously announced plan about dealing with obamacare. coincidence? maybe. flash forward to yesterday. walker announced a foreign policy speech in charleston this friday. today, guess what rubio did?

he announced he is also giving a policy speech in charleston on the same day, about an hour earlier, just eight miles away. marco rubio said he will focus on china, something walker has been talking about for days. we tried to get the marco rubio campaign to respond. what do you think? john: i think once, maybe a coincidence. twice it looks like a pattern. these two guys have been hurt as badly as anybody by donald trump. they could have been in the top tier with jeb bush if not for donald trump. they are clearly not there anymore. no one would argue that. they are scrapping around, trying to see if one of them can take the other one out. i don't think there's room for both of them. mark: they are trying to be into anti-bush in terms of

symbolism. they are also competing for donors. there are not raising as much as they would like. the walker campaign would have a claim to say the rubio folks are trying to bracket and shadow walker to keep them from getting advantages. they don't want him to break through. john: it's also because the rubio people are a little, everybody is scrapping around for what is left on the floor, but also a sign walker is weaker. rubio never has gotten that much altitude. walker was flying pretty high, but he has been on a downslope. rubio season opportunity to pounce. mark: maybe, but they are the ones showing weakness. assuming that's what they are doing. let us know, rubio campaign. john: we have been biding our time long enough. let's get to the beat. joe biden attended the funeral of former congressman louis stokes in cleveland. also today amid speculation he might run for president, he plans to lobby the dnc members on the iran nuclear deal. speculation of course, is the story. it ramps up every day, more intense. the vice president is leaning

into it that barack obama has , given his blessing, etc. we have been grappling with this while you were away. what is going on right now in biden world? mark: white house, and the clintons and all this other stuff, this is a personal decision. on the one side, that argument is beau biden told his father he wanted to run. -- he wanted him to run. joe biden had the chance to be elected after running twice before and does not want to give up that dream. if he gives it up in the next month, it's over. on the other side, personally there is a lot of stress on the family because of his son's death. several people told me he is not in the mood to go screaming down the presidential campaign trail. in the end, personal will decide it and i think it will be , very hard for the family to decide this. john: i think you are 100% right on the personal thing. the interesting peas, having talked to a lot of people around the vice president in the last week or so, they are now very confident they can raise the money, campaign, all the stuff the press can focus on.

can they get a campaign together, can they raise the ak enough tointon we challenge and? all that stuff, they think there's an appetite. and there is space. the question comes down to biden's pardon. the way that biden recovered when his wife and child were killed in 1972. the way he recovered was throwing himself into work. there is part of him that things a campaign would be part of recovery. another part of it thinks if he cannot do this joyously, he can do it at all. -- shouldn't do it at all. mark: i know which way is he's going to go but i think his grandkids and wife will play a huge part. coming up, the pride in new hampshire. senator,nu, former joins us from the granite state, after this. ♪

john: our guest is associated with two of the most beloved institutions in america. red sox nation and the united state senate. former senator john sununu of

new hampshire. thank you for joining us. you are associated with john kasich. we have a bunch of questions to ask. we'll start with this one. we have watched over the course of last week, jeb bush taking the hammer to donald trump. john kasich, not as of yet taking the hammer the donald trump. explain why one establishment candidate like jeb bush sees it as being in his interest to attack trump, where your guy has not. sununu: i can't speak for jeb bush. i think it is the wrong thing to do this early in this stage to lash out and start going after your fellow candidates. you saw the debate, chris christie and rand paul going at it. i don't think anyone came out better for that. it is early. this early in the race, you have to remember, you are still introducing yourself, whether you are jeb bush are marco rubio

bush, or marco rubio or john , kasich. you need to be introducing yourself to the voters here and across the country. you need to do it every day, every week, for the next couple of months. anytime you are not introducing yourself, you risk losing ground. in the case of john kasich, he is governor of ohio, he balanced the budget, cut taxes, created jobs, privatized prison, reformed entitlements. these are important issues for him to get across to voters, to make sure they understand where he come from, how he solves problems. it's not smart to be lashing out at every candidate. mark: if you were to compare john to any previous senator, who would it be best president, previous president, who would it be? sununu: every republican would

throw out ronald reagan. but there are some parallels. it is wrong to say john kasich is ronald reagan, but he's a governor, chief executive ask periods, he's a problem solver -- executive experience, he is a problem solver. he has a joyful vision for what america can and should be. it comes across in town hall meetings and i think it resonates. mark: if you work to compare donald trump to any previous president, who would it be? sununu: come on, none. come on, there has never been a nominee like donald trump. you know that. mark: in what way? sununu: no political experience, someone that has supported legalizing 10 or 20 million illegal immigrants, now he changed his position, he has changed his position on life. he's obviously not had the experience. mark: we have had presidents who change positions. sununu: well i think those are dramatic changes.

single-payer health care, now he's against obamacare. you know this, you know there are a lot of things that are very different and unique about him, and i think to try to compare him to a previous president would be a little silly. john: since we are talking a lot about donald trump, i will ask one last question. he has so far, more or less laid off john kasich. but if he were to start attacking your guy, how do you think john kasich would handle that? sununu: i have no idea. it's kind of a silly hypothetical. this is a long campaign, 162 days until the new hampshire primary. as i said, the smart thing for any candidate, even if you are being attacked is to focus on , your message, your game, introduce yourself to the voters your vision for the country. , introduce yourself to the voters. john kasich has done that very

effectively over the past 6-8 weeks. it's the start of a process. people didn't think we would be on the debate stage in cleveland but we made it. , he has made headway in the polls. i'm the first one to tell him that we have a long way to go. polls are transient. you have to focus on your record, your experience and your game. mark: senator, john kasich is doing well in the polls in your state. one of your fellow john kasich supporters predicted to me several weeks ago that at some point before labor day, john kasich would pass jeb bush in the polls. in some that appears to be true. you think he should focus mostly on new hampshire or should he make an equally big effort in iowa and south carolina? sununu: i think he will continue to visit iowa, south carolina, new hampshire, michigan. really most of the key -- mark: in equal measure? sununu: you never do anything in equal measure, i don't think. you have to pick and choose areas where you have the

strongest organization. but i think he will do very well. of course new hampshire, very well in south carolina and michigan. iowa is a caucus format. it has not been a good predictor necessarily of success. you have a very spread out field. it is a challenging environment. we hope to do well in iowa. mark: senator, you called us silly twice. which we can't help but be reminded of your father, who often called us silly and recently has airdrie. we are glad he went through that -- recently had surgery. we are glad he went through that successfully and please send him our best. sununu: he's doing fine and should be home next weekend. the good news is, it is irrefutable evidence, he does have a heart. [laughter] john: who knew. john sununu, thank you. when we come back, the most enticing feud in politics. donald trump versus fox news, after this. ♪

mark: and now, donald trump versus megyn kelly. let's walk through the brief history of the last 20 hours. she came back from vacation, did her fox show, got the usual big crowd. apparently including mr. trump, who tweeted and retweeted a sharknado of criticism. all aimed at kelly. things like, i like that kelly filed much better without megyn kelly. that got 2400 retweets. trump also quoted some guy who called kelly a bimbo. that got 850 retweets. today the fox news team went on twitter and defended kelly. the head of foxnews said, although trump really ar rarely apologizes he should this time. arump said that she is not quality journalists.

that trump won the first go around. is he on track to beat them again? john: what was very striking today was the way in which not just roger fired back, but the way in which a lot of people in fox news on twitter, using very similar language. kristen powers, dana perino, a lot of people all saying, this must stop to trump. which you did not have before. it feels like there was a directive that went out. we get the collectivity of corporate foxnews and on-air foxnews, they are all being marshaled now, to rise up. that is more of a problem, that could be -- in the end, donald trump, republican voters watch fox. if there's some cut of -- kind of retribution or freezeout happening, some way in which the company goes against trump, it's a problem for him. mark: right, if that happened.

but if donald trump calls sean hannity or megyn kelly, or anyone else they put them on the , air. the law of supply and demand, until they are willing to say, you are saying something so inappropriate we are not putting you on the air, he wins. john: i see that. he wins in the short term. it cannot be good in the long run. donald trump becoming the nominee, becoming the president of the united states, beating up on a highly qualified, highly intelligent, highly successful woman. this cannot be the way to win. that cannot be. calling a woman like megyn kelly bimbo repeatedly in public, taking that fight over, cannot be a way to win. mark: that kind of stuff has not hurt him. he has said he has said a lot worse. but in trump's corner here, people see him as strong. what is the most counterintuitive thing, for a republican to stand up to foxnews and still be on the air. , john: there has to be another way.

this is a thing that has a limited shelf life. this kind of attack. mark: what if he had not retweeted the bimbo? john: that would have been better. it's just, i think that is the thing they are reacting to more than anything. it's one thing to say i don't like her. mark: here is the other thing where he shows strength. look at last cycle and even this cycle other republicans were , worrying about not catering to fox. if they did not give first interviews, they would be punished. trump goes on cnn, msnbc, coming on with us tomorrow, he does whatever he wants. john: he's bigger than fox. mark: mitt romney was not bigger. john: no republican in the last cycle is bigger and in this cycle either. he's only one bigger than fox as a force right now, and i is a passion that is a powerful place to be, no doubt. mark: i think he's on track to beat them. they may think pushing back hard

-- i think they are loyal to megyn kelly and understandably so. she's their colleague. but their loyalty to her, let's , see how far it extends. if he said that about a colleague of yours, which he put -- would you put him on your show? john: he may win the battle, but i don't think he wins the war. mark: as we said, donald trump will join us tomorrow. we will be doing this program live from trump tower. more details after the break. ♪

john: we are live 24/7 on bloomberg politics.com. we are on television twice a day. at 5:00 and at 8:00. mark: tomorrow, we are at the trump tower live with a donald trump interview on this program. don't miss that. until then, for all you viewers

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