>> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: chris rock's new movie is called "top 5." he wrote and directed it he also plays the main character. the associated press writes that "top 5" defies categorization. a sweet look at an artist just trying to figure out what he wants. here is the trailer for the film. >> what's up. this is andre allen. when i listen to satellite radio, i listen to serious hits 21. -- one.

>> make it a little funnier. >> throw some stank on it. >> what's up --. this is --. >> first take was good. voted today'sme" guess the funniest man in america. by 2010 the former standup hit it big. him getting see married. >> do we have to do this on camera? i don't feel like doing funny movies anymore. >> i just want to see some stories straight you give me a couple of honest things, i will be more than fair. >> this is chelsea brown. she's doing a story on me. no snatches. >> you just ate an apple pie, you fat --.

>> you ain't never changed. black man trying to get a cab in new york city. do you think the wedding is hurting me? >> are you kidding me? >> we could be talking "dancing with the stars." >> why don't you just skip the hat questions? >> everybody is funny drunk. you ever see oprah drunk? i got married a lot of times. i wasn't into the wedding. i should have been into the guy. 5, "scarface."

[indiscernible] i spoke to chris rock at the comedy cellar in new york and here is that conversation. here is what they are saying about your movie. for the first time you act in its, you wrote it, you directed it. for the first time he has made a movie that is as good as his stand up. does that resonate with you? chris: that was the desired effect. wherever woody allen goes, we love your movies, especially the early funny ones. people say to me, i love your work, especially the standup. it's like, what about all the other things i do?

i wanted to make the movie as good as the standup. just saying that right now. next week, who knows. charlie: standup comedians are saying that. but what do they mean, you think? was the fact that you were so good as standup, you worked so hard at it, you crafted it, you had not done that in your movies before, you had to come to a place where you treated movies with the same reverence as you treat standup? it's like i have to not and not care about judgment. when you are doing a movie, movies are amazing, that movies you have testing and they test every line, every 10 minutes of the movie is tested red i've

always been a horrible test taker. when you are writing a movie a lot times, you are editing yourself. the studios not going to like this. this is going to test low. they don't test place. -- plays. we test in front of audiences but not every line. we don't test stand-up. this was the first movie where i did not care about offending people. i didn't try to open a chain store. i want to make the movie i want to make. i want to have a restaurant that is hip. i want to make a chris rock movie. i don't want to make a chris rock live version of an eddie murphy movie. like, my movie. you said i want to make

a chris rock movie. you would sit with adam sandler and you knew what he was doing. he was making an adam sandler movie. men, i would say men -- we always get our fashion sense from whichever friend gets laid the most. i guess i will get those issues. that haircut seemed to work for him. sandler's like my biggest movie star friend. i will just do what he's doing. but it did not fit me. if it's when i'm in a movie with him. this movie, the important thing

was, i found a tone that works for me. do stand up seldom do i talk about anything that is funny. almost nothing in my act is funny if you go topic to topic. you can go places nobody else can get out of. chris: i like to say something that is absolutely controversial and dig myself out of the whole. that's what i do with the movie. who is an alcoholic, a cheat, a hack. . very unlikable character i take you on a journey and i try to help you understand where this guy is coming from. charlie: people said this is about fame, it's about celebrity.

chris: i have to give credit to louis ck. louis owes me, i owe louis. i some point in his career told him, i'm not going to be your friend anymore if you keep writing for people. writing stuff for dana carvey and this one or that one. pitching shows to sailors company. stop pitching other people's shows. charlie: you made him be what he is today. managers wanted him to do stuff for other people.

they were making money and everybody thought he should be working for other people. me and louis have the greatest friendship and i love the guy dearly. .ouis comes to me yourself.o write it you have to get in a room and you have to feel hurt. thehave to feel lonely, blood, sweat and tears it takes to write by yourself, be and a whole and stare at a piece of paper and have nobody to help you get out of this thing but you. write with people and you end up with a watered-down version of you. you have to write by yourself. myself.de me write by when you write with other people

you get a consensus. but when you are in that room by yourself, something spiritual comes out of you. head.e living in your you are not trying to get approval of anybody. in the movie,oss like when i'm doing standup -- what i'm doing standup i know i have an hour and a half. it's ok if i kiss you off right now. -- piss you off right now. you're mad right now. hang out. charlie: as you go forward are you going to balance acting, directing, and starring in movies? chris: through the years i have done less stand up. your kids are only young once.

standup takes you away. to live a life where i can live in new york. i will take your writing job, scott rudin, because i get to do it in new york. grown-ups films and boston, that's a three-hour drive. i try to be in new york as possible. as my kids get older and don't want to be around me, frankly, and want to go to camp and stuff, i will be more out there is a standup. charlie: you were funny but not the funniest guy in the room. how did you get to where you are? most successful people are not the best guy in the room. they just aren't. jordan tells stories about -- he wasn't the best basketball player. he did not make the team.

thing about not being the best in the room is you know you have to work at it. it's great not being the best in the room and it has made me work. hamilton ways funnier than me. dave barton, way funnier than me. charlie: and you made it bigger than they did because? chris: i had to work hard at it or it, needed not just poor out of me. -- pour out of me. just being liked wasn't -- i never did anything well until i got on stage. charlie: you found your home. chris: it was a calling. well, andothing i did to this day, my friend mario, his nickname for me is just suck atcause i everything else. ♪

conan o'brien is here. he's the coast of "conan" -- host of "conan" on tbs since 1993. a landscape undergoing traumatic changes, both in terms of its host and how it is being consumed. toan easily took his show havana, cuba. it was the first time an hostedn late-night host a show in cuba since 1959. i'm pleased to have conan at this table. : i'm the old guy now. one of the first shows i came on in 1993 i sat here and no one thought i was going to make it, you were very nice to me, but that is now -- if we looked at that appearance now it would look like an i love lucy -- "i

love lucy" -- i was a young redhaired woman at the time. ihad done improvisation but had not done nearly the amount of performing that one should have done to get a late-night show. fluke, and toete this day i credit lorne michaels. he saw something and he thought, i think this kid can do it. that was such a different time, 1993, that there was no footage of me that existed. the media could not find footage. can you imagine today how much footage there is of everybody, there were be hundreds of hours posted on youtube and everybody would have it. there was not an existing photograph made. i remember they were taking photographs of -- i think my parents on the tonight show,

they took photos of the tv screen. charlie: doing what you do -- -- you know the difference is dramatically different. you think comedy every moment, don't you? since 1978.y much i think about it all the time. charlie: david letterman was here and he said, i love -- i would love to have the luxury you had. in my mind, i was thinking about the joke, the joke, the joke rather than simply being curious with someone. conan: there's a certain pressure when you are hosting a show to help guide performers through the material. you don't have the freedom to just always go where you might want to go.

conversatione a and go. i try to talk to people everywhere i go and find out what they are doing. i have a curious mind, just sometimes within the confines of doing a comedy show you can't sit back and maybe ask all the questions you would want to ask. charlie: with david letterman stepping down, what is his magic and why is he so revered for who he is? conan: i wrote a piece for ew magazine that people can probably read online. i took people back to when his morning show came on the air in i called the piece. immediately everything was

wrong. everything he did in that moment seemed wrong. he did not look right, his manner, his affect was wrong, everything seemed wrong because he was so original. he was so profoundly original. he is respected and revered because he had the whole package. the great innovative writing ideas. he came along at the right moment. carson had been on the air at that point about 20 years, had about 10 more years to go, and had really established a talk show, and dave came along and gave us the anti-talk show in so many ways. the comedy was so different and he was so not about show business. like a revolution to me, and i think it was. i think it was a seismic occurrence. it affected a lot of the comedy in the 80's and 90's. charlie: is a talk show business

at night changing? conan: yes. it's a whole different thing than when i started. when i started -- it's hilarious to talk this way now, about the old days, because i feel like i'm talking about the great began inn, but when i 1993, you think about it, there were hardly any of these shows. there was johnny carson's "tonight show tiga that was it. arsenio had been around for a wild but he was kind of -- while but he was -- i think he had two years left to go. it felt like it was johnny and it was dave, and then there is nightline, and that's it. nbc had locked down amon napoli on the whole thing. -- a monopoli on the whole

thing. i can't tell you how many shows there are on now. i'm in the business and i think there might be 35 late-night shows. there's a ton of them. there's a ton of these shows. the technology changed with cable, then the internet comes along, and what is happening is comes along and the ability to watch things out of sequence. so the late-night show, it 11:00 oro become -- 11:30 at night my choice would probably be to catch up on some of the shows i have missed earlier in the week. my natural inclination would not be -- i would not watch a late-night talkshow anyway just because -- i would watch your show before i would watch a late-night comedy

show, because i can't relax watching those. i'm looking at the seams -- that's not -- themes. the whole thing, now i think people can watch the shows a la carte, meaning people watch a segment i did or a segment one segmentimmy's did, or a that colbert -- these things go viral, people see those. when i see somebody on the street and they say, i love that thing you did, they do not say i love that thing you did last night, they love that thing that was bouncing around online. people don't listen to albums anymore. they used to put "sergeant and side- side one two. a lot of thought went into which

song goes where and for years i used to give a lot of thought to when things happened in the show. now it does not seem as relevant when things happen in the show. charlie: are you thinking when you create a show about that or you thinking, i've got to find what i know will be sellable clips? conan: that's tricky. i always try to lead with what is funny. i think this is wood. if not, it's fantastic simulation. charlie: 25 years. conan: beautiful. charlie: ikea. david roberts. about whatink a lot is funny, what would make me laugh, what would surprise me. now, i know with the formula is. there's a simple formula to have things go viral.

everybody knows what it is. get a big celebrity and you get them to do some stunt and it will probably go viral. it is called click bait. if you are just thinking about click bait you will end up with a show that might have a lot of viral bits that may be things you don't think comedically are that terrific for it all where you want to try to put your priorities. ♪

charlie: the award-winning star of theater and film and won theon -- in 2012 he tony award for his performance in "one man, two governors." he now hosts the late, late show on cbs. march 23 marks his debut. here's a look at his journey into late-night. >> i'm sure there are lots of people wondering how i ended up here in this seat and i include myself in that too. rather than tell you, we thought we would show you this. >> craig ferguson announced he is leaving the late show. the question is, who will cbs get to replace him? .> we need a late-night host >> this is the late late show.

>> who are we going to pick? >> we will do it the way we've always done it. ♪ >> this is misogyny.

>> no ticket! no ticket! >> thank you. >> i have been chosen to host the late late show. >> please report to the school of training. >> what's your name?

>> james cordon. >> from accounting. >> tinder? >> no. >> grinder? >> no. what? >> but i've got the ticket. >> you might have the ticket, son. but do you have what it takes? >> probably not? [laughter] guest: that was pretty much it. that was all factual. shows. done 33 charlie: has it been beyond expectation? james: i don't know if it will ever fully subside. are you terrified by what you're going to do -- james: i'm terrified just

generally doing it because there's a strange thing making a show like that. you can feel in preproduction like you are just in a team, you are one of a team because there is a whole world of people that put this show on. in itall of us, we are together, and then people go, good luck out there. we are rooting for you. before you know it, you find yourself on your own behind the oh, we were a team and now it's just sitting here. that is what i found the hardest thing. i'm thrilled and overjoyed with the way people have responded. when churchill assumed the prime minister ship at the beginning of world war ii he said, everything i have done has prepared me for this moment.

james: i feel i should not compare the two. charlie: think of what you had done with your life so far. james: i do feel like everything i have done in my career, whether it be the television shows -- television shows i've written at home -- very much myself talking to an audience -- what i'm really thrilled about is that we have managed to do so many other things, singing, dancing, sketches, bits, skits, and that has been the most thrilling discovery of its, the fact that that has been the stuff people have responded to. charlie: do you have a feeling you are changing the john mack a bit? james: i don't think so. all shows influence another, you know?

charlie: david letterman had ,one skits from the beginning go to a top of a building and throwing watermelon off. people say, it's not like it used to be. now people are just chasing viral hits. particularly in this last couple of weeks watching letterman's greatest hits over the last couple of weeks, there were bits , him and steve martin's wouldy day out, those have been huge on youtube. stupid pet tricks. i feel like youtube should send david letterman money. he almost invented it. that is what is happening now. it's an interesting interview which jay leno showed me, seven years after johnny carson. newspaper,te in a

when is he coming back to save the tonight show? all johnny carson does is skits and bits. mr. par used to do proper interviews. jimmy fallon's show i imagine is influenced by ellen, ellen influenced by letterman -- alan, alan influenced by letterman. all those things start to influence you. charlie: but it feels comfortable, at least. james: i feel a lot more comfortable now, just in the just overwhelmed with the way people have responded. it is the idea that you did not step on a banana.

they were in fact is, isn't this interesting what he's doing? james: i guess so. i'm overwhelmed by that, really. i'm relieved and grateful. charlie: could this happen in prime time? jay leno tried to do it, but jay leno is jay leno. james: i'm not sure. charlie: there's a feeling of freeness. there's a feeling of being the end of someone's day. -- i did not grow up here, but i feel like the change in late-night i suppose to a more positive outlook, a greater sense of warmth and positivity, is just a reflection of what's happening in the world today. charlie: because of the

immediacy of news, 24 hours a day, and you have seen it all. you have seen it all day. and online too. james: you might wonder someone who just says, it's going to be all right. then they wake up to you in the morning and realize it isn't. charlie: i put them to bed too. it seems like that makes you laugh or it gives you a chance to eavesdrop on something. getting to know you and a real way rather than a performing way. i think the small changes we have made in our show are the things of bringing our guests out at the same time and things. we would often talk about it in terms of atmosphere, really. we would talk about the show going, we are on after a talk

show. there's a talk show on before our show, so what should we do? where would you go after the theater? you might go to a bar or comedy club or somewhere more intimate, and you would probably talk with .ther people let's bring our guests out together and make it feel like an organic conversation. we did not know how people would respond to that. people even responded to us putting our couch the other way. charlie: you fearless? james: i'm not fearless. i'm often full of terror. charlie: terror in being willing to take risks. i don't know.

i think in all of these things you have to google earth yourself and see that it doesn't really matter. what is the worst thing that can happen? you look a fool. well, so what? i will sort of do anything for a laugh, really. how long has that been with you, i will do anything for a laugh? how long has the idea of making people laugh been a sort of says faction -- of satisfaction or ambition? of it comes from school. i had a good and positive school .xperience i went to a normal comprehensive school in the u.k. and there was lots of children in per year per class.

me, anythingg like that is different, in school you are a target. i never got targeted that much , if ie i realized quickly just do something silly and make these guys laugh, then i will deflect. there's power in that. if you can say something quite quickly and make a bully feel on his own and ostracized, then bullies go, i will stay away from him and chase the kid over there. that is i think where it came from. charlie: most of the skits you do, are they carefully scripted are you just going in there and saying, i know how to , i know how to do that?

going,it's a matter of you wanted to feel organic. i think our eighth episode we did a show in from somebody's house. we got a permit to film on a street in los angeles. we did not know which house we were going to knock on, if anyone would let us in. we thought, let's do it and go for it. we knocked on one door and they said no, we knocked on one door and there's no one in there. the third when we knocked on, someone said sure. we set up and shot the show in somebody's house and we have pretty much no prep for that.

the things i saw on david letterman's show i find hislutely inspiring, interaction with people and getting out on the street and just doing stuff and being a citizen of the world. we do a thing on our show called take a break we go to someone's work and say, do you need a break, i will cover your shift. i will justve and cover the shift for an hour. it's not scripted. we don't know what is going to happen. we did it once in a mattress shop and there were only four customers. it was me and the owner of the shop cuddling on a bed. that's kind of it, really. that's when i feel like late-night has an ability. charlie: you are doing this show, it's like a part-time job. [laughter] james: yeah, really. charlie: tell the truth. it's a part-time job.

you are going to make documentaries. i feel like i really have to give it everything -- i have to give all my focus to this show right now. time that isn't their i/o it to my family to be with them. i hope further down the line -- it is a dream of mine to host the tony awards but i would give anything to host that show. charlie: tell dr. rose what that says about you. james: i like being the center of attention. [laughter] charlie: the tony awards, because it is singing and dancing and acting and live performances. james: i think it's the best awards show on tv. there's a massive elements of performance. awards shows are very intelligent things.

billy crystal said, this is what people need, to turn on the tv and see a group of millionaires giving each other gold statues. one of the greatest lines i've ever heard. the tony awards -- charlie: everybody loves a good contest. james: i love broadway and i love the theater so much and i had the best times of my life in this city working on those 12 streets of new york. charlie: it's so great to have you here. james corden from the late, late show. stay with us.

charlie: he's a comedian, in -- an actor, any writer per year has written his first book. eric klein and berg. it is called "modern romance to get and looks at the way technology influences romance, dating, and how we love. here is a look at the book's trailer. ♪ riserly to bed, early to makes a woman healthy, wealthy, and wise. that is why you are wiser than me. >> hi.

i'm more recent comex a give by day. -- an executive by day. >> you probably already know i have incredibly blue eyes. >> my name is phil. >> my name is mike. i don't smoke and i don't like people who do smoke. >> if you like what i'm trying to say or would like to know more about me, please write. ♪ >> hi. the bozos you saw earlier in illustrated that finding love has never been easy. today's romantic landscape is even more daunting and strange than what the folks you saw earlier had to contend with. that is why i decided to write my new book, "modern romance." charlie: modern romance runs through everything you do,

doesn't it? stand up comedy -- yeah, i think love and finding love is something that is always kind of in your mind, and my material and whatever i'm working on is usually kind of autobiographical. have taken some time to loosely write stand up and it's about being in a relationship for a couple of years. it's always a part of it. charlie: so writing a book with the next step. guest: i had written about some , about how sos much of dating has moved towards your phone and texting and how we have all these weird dilemmas that seem very uniquely personal to us but they end up being quite universal. i had met a couple of sociologists and academics i would talk to them about these subjects and the conversations were really interesting.

it was really interesting to have their insight into these issues. that as a book, have that dialogue of me and sociologists and do that real research but have it be in my voice, he would be a unique project. that is when eric came in. publishers, i want to write this with a sociologist so i can do it properly and have it work as a social science and humor book. and introduced me to eric he really got it and he helps me design this research project we did for a year and a half where we interviewed hundreds of people all over the country, all over the world, and talk to all of these -- charlie: on reddit? interviews of the were in person. one thing that was really helpful -- at one point we realized we are not going to be able to go to every city anywhere and we are going to be limited. internet weon the

can reach anybody and get them to talk about things they would maybe be hesitant to talk about in person, things like cheating or whatever, and peas -- people got very personal on these internet forums and it was very helpful. charlie: what's the most important thing you learned about modern romance? we are happier when we spend less time on our screens and more time in front of people. charlie: i would think so too. guest: so many people -- you look at online dating stuff, it's huge. it is how people meet their spouses now. it's online. that is how people meet people they end up marrying. you talk to young people and they are doing this stuff. charlie: do most people acknowledge that they met the person who became their husband, wife, partner -- guest: there is still a little

bit of stigma but it's going away. charlie: she said, i would love to go online because i would but i'mexpand my world, just nervous about it being known that that's what i do, that's what i'm using. guest: if you are a public figure there's a different stigma that comes with it and having your thing out there and people know who you are, it's different. as far as the stigma just for the general public, i think it's going away, especially when you look at these numbers. charlie: and look at the results. guest: people are successful with this. you expand who you are going to meet. you are trying to find someone to spend the rest of your life with or to love, and why not use that resource? charlie: how has texting change the way people date? guest: what's interesting is so much of the early stages of courtship have moved on to texting and the phone. you talk to women who meet a guy at a bar or party, and they get to know him a little bit but

their impressions of him really get formed even more when they start receiving messages. you kind of realize, there's almost two selves. you have your phone self and your real self. charlie: why is that? guest: people have these devices that contain a big part of their personal life and the way you communicate on that really defines how people think about you. i think with this romance stuff, especially with texting, you are not hearing a voice or anything. it's even different than a phone call. you just see words and people read into so much in the time it takes people to write back and certain words. certain words turn certain people off. grammar and spelling is a huge turnoff for some people. other people are like if a guy uses an emoji i don't take him seriously at all. it is interesting how certain things you say on your phone can really define how you end up in

the real world. charlie: this is a texting clip. >> i don't mess around. i'm just honest. i asked you out for dinner, you don't want to go. she said, i'm not interested in getting dinner with you. there is games there are you're not wasting your time. on the other hand, could you imagine receiving a text like that? you want to get dinner sometime? i'm not interested in getting dinner with you. what are you, a demon? i;' mm a person. i'm a fellow human being who wanted to break bread and get to know you a little better. do youasically like, want some free food? you say, not if your presence is involved. guys get the bleep excited when i come on the show?

charlie: what is it that you see out there in terms of the audience's response? what gets the biggest laughs? realized that a certain point in the last years of my career there are two different laughs. there is one left were people laugh and they are like, that's a funny thing. there is one where people are laughing and you can see them thinking, oh my god, you hit a deep nerve there. when you hit something everyone is feeling that no one is talking about, you are in a great place. charlie: he said between 2005 and 2012 more than 1/3 of the couples who got married met through the internet. no other wave establishing romantic connection has ever increased so far so fast. guest: yeah. charlie: what are the worst experiences people have online? i talked to people who have said

they will go through five people and meet them and get frustrated and say, this is not working. then the sixth person is like their dream. guest: the people that seem to be unhappy with online dating are people that spent a lot of time sorting through profiles and sending messages back and fourth to establish this amazing connection. charlie: looking for perfection. guest: and trying to form this bond on the screen when in reality you really formed his connections in person, and spending time with evil in person is the key -- with people in person is the key. she put it beautifully. she said, these things should not be referred to as online dating sites, they should be referred to as online introduction services. it's about meeting a person in real life and seeing if there is a spark there. charlie: it expands the

opportunity. guest: if you don't have online, it's what? you have college and work. that's it. then you have your friends of friends, and you have randomly meeting people at a party. this is a really infinite set of people. charlie: are you doing more political jokes now? guest: i'm not. i don't follow the news closely enough. i have always been sticking more to personal stuff. charlie: how did your parents like south carolina? guest: i guess they liked it. they are still down there. they moved over to charlotte, north carolina. they were in south carolina. speaking about your mother's experience immigrating from india to america. aziz: my mom told me that her

first day in america was the scariest experience of her life. they had an arranged marriage. she had known him for a week. she said she got here and she's in this small apartment and she did not know what to do. she was so scared. i said, what did you do that first day? she said, i didn't know what to do. i just sat on the couch and cried. i thought, that is so sad. how did you get through it? i said, it was one of those moments where i had to be brave and figure it out. have you ever had moments like that, aziz, where you knew you had to be brave and figure it out? i was like, no. my life is super easy because you did all the struggling. mine is really easy. a not going to have any trouble telling my kids what my story was like. once when i was flying from new york to l.a., my ipad died.

like, we'reng to be teleporting tomorrow. guy, he did it again. thanks for having me. charlie: where is your next concert date? aziz: i recorded that special when i get the garden. once we record those specials you put them out and you have to write up a whole new act. that right busy with at some point i will have to get back to the comedy clubs. thank you for having me. charlie: thank you for joining us. we will see you next time. ♪

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