>> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie c rose." >> the pope arrived. he met president obama. the pope appealed for action. trip istalk about the allen. the cbs news rome correspondent traveling with the pope on his plane. theony is the director of

pontifical north american college in rome. president and editor in chief of catholic we weekly. i am pleased to have all of them on what i thought was a remarkably exciting day, and perhaps a historic day. visit as you this have witnessed it through cuba and america. >> what struck me immediately was how determined he was to go through everything the way he wanted to. there were a lot of expectations ,nd hopes, especially in cuba and his plan was to get in there church's agenda. people't do the things thought he ought to do, meeting with prisoners, meeting with

poor people. he shied away from the dissident issue, but got what he wanted. cubans where they want him. they need him and are using him too. to come here and speak english at the white house, the way he spoke and enunciated made the point more definitively, emotive lee, than he could have ever done through a translator. it wasn't easy for him. this is his fourth language. he has been studying to do that. actually,it combative no staging, ask what you want to ask. whether he pushed on was a socialist, leftists

, no, you missed what i said. i just do church doctrine. find somewhere where i have done anything out of church teachings. he let us know that he was here to do something and will do it. underneath it, this is a very determined man with an agenda that he will pursue. it will surprise a lot of people. example, i would bet money that the death penalty comes up. that is one of the things that he is big on. i am sure it will come up in his speech tomorrow. date ticket issues are here, climate change, war, arms race, capitalism. this is the place to talk about it. he's really going to do it.

he can raise a lot of political issues in congress because it is a political house. talk about the agenda and what you think. people say that he comes here with a pastoral role and a political role. role in that the church takes a position on issues that it thinks have to do with right and wrong. >> sure. he comes here in a political sense because of his pastoral role. he is the leader of 1.3 billion catholics, and he is also a head of state. truth claimskes that are public claims, so they ought to be part of the public discourse. make policyto recommendations? no, of course not. that is not his role. he has been clear about that.

he will bring to congress the things that he outlined at the white house, immigration, , building community, and solidarity. hase are the things that he returned to time and time again. he has almost put people like me out of business. you exactly what he is doing and why he is doing it. there is not a lot of guesswork. >> they don't need you to analyze because he tells you. >> exactly. >> how has he changed from that first interview? how is he different? he is the same exact command. i went back and reread that interview that he did in rome because, preparing for this visit, and you see in the interview the same games that he has returned time and time again

, mercy, mercy, mercy. this is a time for reconciliation, and it is not a platitude. it is a prescription for the field ails the world. >> how does he want to change the church? of the things that he did was that the church he inherited was in a kind of stalemate with much of the catholic world and the non-catholic world. might gotten into a still -- a stalemate over contraception, premarital sex, divorce, sexuality -- the whole thing. >> they weren't doing a lot about it. issuest, but these or become a litmus test for who is a good catholic or not. elegantlyis did very was to say, wait a second, let's talk about other things. the church is not just these

prescriptions. the core of the gospel is loving thy neighbor, caring for the sick, protecting the vulnerable. he change the conversation in a very interesting way without changing the doctrine. that he hasty is become a player in terms of big, international in shoes -- issues. is that our role we ought to expect him to an large and do more of? the church has had a key role and that, not just under francis, but for some time. the church has been one of the only voices in europe that was consistently supportive of recent immigration to europe. it is very politically unpopular to do so. he is building on that. obviously, this migration crisis

in europe is of biblical proportions, and the church invariably is going to have a role in that. the problem of reconciling time of significant demographic changes going to be hasg change, and the church in a way the cultural instruments to help your make that transition on the ground. >> here is what surprises me. together at that time at the conclave. i was surprised when he was selected, because nobody was saying it is going to be him. he was among a list of people. he wasn't the front runner. in retrospect, because he had been number two when benedict was selected, we should have expected him to be a front runner. was there more to it than that?

did the church come to a point where they said that they we need a fresh wind in here? >> i think that's a true. he was such a surprise choice. say that there was a moment in that conclave when it seemed that the holy spirit whispered in the ears of the cardinals and said, this is the man. one cannot explain it. they were looking for a younger carnal after pope benedict, because he was blamed for his age and health. they were looking for a manager, someone who could sort out the vatican problems, finances, bureaucracy, managerial style. they were looking for someone with the opposite qualities. >> they got a pastor. yes, and he has changed the

church in a very different way than we all had planned. we believe that this is a man -- he is absolutely isute and knows exactly what going on and what the world and the church needs. >> to they appreciate and utilize his power -- do they appreciate and utilizes power? >> he said something today that was interesting. he said power should not be linked with authority, in that sense, but it is the power of weakness that eventually will win the world.

it is his own weakness that speaks to us. what he is saying is that we will attract people, we will attract the world and others by going to the poor, by going to the immigrant, through works of charity and mercy. perhaps in the past we've had cardinals and bishops, they have been worried about frills. this is a no-frills pope. he is a son of immigrants. everything he has experienced in his own life, that's why he has so much compassion. charlie: allen, explain to us the charisma that he has. allen: i've been up close to a couple of people with charisma. nelson mandela for one. you felt it when he entered the room. francis comes along and you feel warmth. it's not like wow, i'm enveloped by the spirit. the man knows how to communicate with people, how to look at people without them feeling that he is anything other than what he is.

which leads me to the way he uses his power. he's got himself the biggest pulpit you can imagine, but he doesn't preach. >> he talks the talk and walks the walk. in that interview we were talking about earlier, he says i am a sinner. coming right back to the weakness that is made strong through the grace of god that the monsignor was talking about. later in the same interview he reveals his favorite image of the church is of a field hospital after a battle. when you put those together, what you see is a man who sees himself first and foremost as a patient in the field hospital along with the rest of us. someone who needs the grace of god to be and do in the world. that gives him an authenticity

, a credibility that is , unrivaled among public figures in the world today. credibility is the currency of politics. charlie: who is around him? you come from rome and you know the crowd that surrounds him and the people he depends on and the people who may shape him in terms of how he proceeds and what he believes. allen: it is an interesting question, and i don't really know the answer. he has several people he relies on that we don't even know about. it is said he goes over to benedict and talks to him from time to time. he wants to know what you think the answer is.

he will ask two or three other people the same question in a different way, and then he puts it all together. i think he relies on people who think like him a bit. he certainly has a lot of spanish speakers around him and he is comfortable with his own kind, if you will, and maybe a little distrustful of the italians. he gets smart people around him, listens to them, and then makes up his own mind. charlie: what does he say about what he wants to accomplish in this visit? allen: it's fairly obvious what his agenda is. things that are on his agenda that matter to him, climate change, refugees, savage capitalism, that sort of thing. this is the place. he is willing to step into the belly of the beast. he has a kindred spirit in

president obama in some ways. you look at the speech, he talked about being an immigrant in the first instance. then he moves into the next item, kind of a republican thing. he goes right down the middle. he can talk about any of the issues he cares about and not make them political. they are political issues, but he doesn't make them political. i think his agenda is to push the things that matter to him to the forefront, and it's perfect timing. the visit was already planned to go to the world family day. it coincides with the big meeting at the u.n., somebody will have all those heads of state. he can use that to say, the paris summit on climate, use that to push his agenda.

all of america i'm sure loves pope francis. if you go against this man, is at your peril, no matter what's proper politician you are. he knows that and he's using it very well. he is very astute. >> it's interesting, because he has the ordinary people on his side. charlie: the troops are with him. that is exactly what allen was saying. and he is willing to use it. >> something i find fascinating, talking about this holy father. we had pope john paul ii who was a great figure who opened his heart in many ways, traveling the world as a superstar. then you had pope benedict who filled people's hearts with doctrine.

charlie: he seems to want to change the emphasis of the conversation. >> absolutely. charlie: saying don't spend all her time on these divisive issues when there are other items on the agenda. >> giving him a softer edge. when he was speaking to the bishops this morning in washington, he said it is very important that you stand up for what the church believes about life, about economics, about the environment. but your modus operandi has to be in counter, not confrontation. it's not about being a cultural warrior, it's about being an evangelist. and the goal here is dialogue. charlie: dialogue to what

purpose? >> interestingly enough, dialogue for the purpose of dialogue, in the beginning. just understanding of each other. >> you have to know the who before you get to the what. this is a pope who puts in motion processes, but he doesn't necessarily have an end in mind. that is the little unsettling for some folks. there isn't a corporation in the united states that would hire a ceo who says i don't have a plan, i'm just going to start a conversation. [laughter] charlie: so he is going to set sail and catch the wind. >> that is exactly what he's going to do. it is his authority as the successor of peter that

safeguards the conversation. as he said to the bishops, say whatever you feel. let's have an open conversation. let's have a dialogue. he is not afraid. charlie: here's what i don't understand. the notion of what exactly is doctrine, and how do you change doctrine? >> this is a big debate within the church. many sustain that there's a difference between tradition and doctrine. it's a nearly 2000 year institution. many practices have simply been done for centuries and have acquired a kind of solidity of doctrine, even though in fact they are historical products. the church holds that the idea

of priest celibacy was not really firmly pronounced until the middle ages and violated for much of the church's history and that's become an issue that has been determined be decided doctrinally. depending on who you talk to, certain things are traditions and certain things are doctrine. everyone teaches that doctrine cannot be changed. if you say actually is evolved over time, certain things that were held to be doctrine, like believing in limbo, have disappeared from church teachings. things change with time. there are people that very much resist that the church is a historic institution that has changed over time and insist on an unchanging truth. then there are people like cardinal newman who say that to be perfect is to change often.

i would say this pope is more in that change often camp. that is a very tricky issue which could be quite explosive. we will see how that plays out. charlie: who opposes this pope, allen? allen: surprisingly, quite a few people inside the roman curia. others think he has gone well against church doctrine, like cardinal burke who he very quickly sidelined. there's a camp of hardliners that don't want the kind of changes the pope's making. they don't like the direction they think he is taking the church. francis would say the church doesn't follow me, i follow the church.

i talked to cardinal newman and he's set the opposition is here. small but strong. then he laughed and said, but they will lose. [laughter] i think that is true. he is getting where he wants to go. look at last year when there was all that stuff about gays and divorced people and so on. the hardliners on that, the ones who went against where we think francis wants to go, slowly he shunts them aside. these come in with a scalpel and he's just trimming away the fat. that's basically what he is doing to the curia. >> i agree.

he has spent so many years among the people as a pastor. one of the things you have to learn as a pastor is to be comfortable with messiness. he is comfortable with the messiness of life, primarily because he has a deeply held faith in christ and in his church. it was an interesting thing, when they released his first communiqué and it had kind of a different tone around gay and lesbian people, making sure we welcome them without changing the teaching about marriage between a man and a woman. people really panicked over this. you would have the sense that this was going to lead to the downfall of the church, judging by their reactions. we survived the roman empire, we can probably survive a bad press release, right? he has this great faith in christ and in his church that

the holy spirit is guiding us even now, in this moment of history. things can get a little messy. we can have this conversation. we can be opened. there can be a dialogue, and we don't have to be afraid. charlie: tell me what the schedule is for the rest of his visit to america. allen: he will address the joint meeting of congress tomorrow. then we move on to new york. he's exactly you in, he goes to ground zero and does a few other pastoral things and then it's on to philadelphia for the last two days of world family day. the final event will be a huge mass. they are expecting 1.5 million people. that takes place on sunday, and then overnight back to rome, charlie. charlie: thank you so much, good to see you. back in a moment. stay with us. ♪

charlie: ray kelly is here. he occupied 25 different commands and serving twice as commissioner. the nypd was revamped into a relentless counterterrorism and intelligence force and took a controversial approach to reducing street crime. the city's murder rate was the lowest since the 1960's by the

time he retired in 2013. he recounts his experiences in a new memoir. it is cold vigilance, my life serving america and its empire city. i'm pleased to have ray kelly back at this table. welcome. ray: good to be back with you, charlie. charlie: talk to me about the great crisis between police and communities in some major american cities. ray: there is no question about it, the shootings we saw, the shooting in north charleston, south carolina, where walter scott was gunned down by a police officer, shot in the back -- the world saw that video. the incident in ferguson and some other high profile events, eric garner here in new york, have raised the specter of the schism between police and some members of the community. usually communities of color.

from my vantage point of being in the police department, being in law enforcement almost 50 years, generally speaking, relations between minority communities and the police are better than they have been in many years. when you have these types of things, that sets it back, no question about it. that's kind of where we are now. it has caused hesitancy on the part of police to engage where they have engaged in the past. that's one of the reasons you're seeing an increase in murders. about 30 cities in the u.s. are experiencing murder increases. that sort of where we are right now. >> some of the people in urban communities say this is nothing new.

it's just now getting attention because there is a lot more focus on it. there is a capacity of people to take pictures so you can see what has happened. ray: you are absolutely right. in my mind, these are aberrations. i've been in law enforcement, like i said, for almost 50 years. in my history, i've seen police officers doing heroic, good work, certainly changing the nature of this city. two decades ago we had big problems here. new york is now the safest big city in america. charlie: i don't think anyone who is worried about it believes there are not really a majority of policeman and policewomen who are conscientious, doing the best they can under difficult circumstances. that is an undeniable fact. it's not that everybody who wears blue is in conflict with whatever community there is. you understand that, but at the same time, you wonder what it is that makes those who are the way they are.

is it lack of training, lack of sensitivity? is it not simply being of the right temperament to be a police officer? ray: it is complex. some are just bad decisions made quickly. some of it has to do with selection. i don't think as a profession that we do a good enough job in selecting people to become police officers. we don't even require a college degree. we require a college degree for virtually every teacher in america. i think we should up the standards in that regard. i think we should drill down or -- more effectively on psychological testing. let's look at bullying, for example. what is the effect of having been bullied or being a bully as it comes to being a police officer?

we need much more work in that regard. you don't want to hire your problems. charlie: and it's certainly true that you see it in cities that are run by men and women of color have some of the same kind of problems. ray: there is no guarantee. that is not a panacea. charlie: even if you're coming from a minority community, there is no guarantee that you will be able to avoid the kind of conflicts that exist in the rank-and-file. ray: absolutely. charlie: so what is the solution, training? selection? ray: there comes a point in time when you have to put the cops on the street. i recommend raising the educational level more , comprehensive examination testing of -- as far as

psychological standards are concerned. i think cameras will make a difference. i was initially against police officers wearing cameras, but everybody over 10 years of age has a camera. if you look at that shooting in north charleston south carolina, , you have to think that no rational police officer wearing a camera would engage in conduct like that. the train has left the station as far as cameras are concerned. police officers, police departments should embrace it. it is expensive and difficult to maintain, the memory requirement is large. who has access to it, all of these things have to be worked out. but i know that we will see a lot more good, heroic work than the aberrations and inappropriate conduct that we have seen. as it is adopted, it will take years to do this, but that will

go a long way in increasing community trust. charlie: when you look back at your term, most recently as commissioner, would you do anything different? have you come to different conclusions, having time to reflect on what happened during your tenure? ray: not really, not the big decisions. i pretty much would do everything -- as you said before, when the bloomberg administration ended, we had record low murders, record low shootings. this was after 12 years or 11.5 years when the poll was taken. charlie: do you think policeman in new york city are operating under a different understanding of where and how they should perform their job?

ray: some of the signals that have been given to police officers in new york city are signals that say hesitate, hold back, that sort of thing. we had the stop, question, and frisk lawsuit in the city that ultimately resulted in a monitor. we have an inspector general that was put in place by the .that was put in place by the city council, even though there are almost 1000 officers doing internal investigations. there are two u.s. attorneys in new york city. there's a mayor's commission to combat police corruption. the signals have been to hold back, and i think ultimately the will result in crime going charlie: your hesitant to

make an arrest? you are hesitant to do what? ray: hesitant to engage. we pay police officer's to intervene in suspicious conduct. that is what we want them to do. this goes back to common law, the whole stop, question, and for his issue was validated by a supreme court case. it is codified throughout the country. the numbers that police officers are at least recording now in new york city are way below what you would think is appropriate for a city of 8.4 million people, and a city that has about 20 million hours of patrol time on the part of its police force. in the city that gets hundreds of thousands of calls about suspicious conduct every year. i think about 40,000, and that is way too low. that is a manifestation of holding back and not engaging.

charlie: you leveled your criticism at the mayor, not at the police commissioner. ray: the number one law enforcement person in any community is the mayor. that's where the direction comes from, that's where the tone comes from. you have to assume that the police commissioner is responding to either direct or indirect directions from the mayor. charlie: you said you immediately regretted watching the mayor's inauguration on youtube. why? >> i thought it was really disgraceful. mike bloomberg, by any objective standards, did a terrific job. he comes in 3.5 months after 9/11. crime was going to go up, the city was going to go to hell in a handbasket. most people think he did a wonderful job, yet he was insulted. he showed no class at all. i've never seen that happen.

charlie: not by the mayor, but by someone else. ray: you assume that his staff knew what people were going to say. i thought it was cheap shots and showed no class at all. charlie: what do you think the mindset of the mayor is? ray: hard to figure out. the mayor is a progressive, he says that all the time. i think he is an ideologue. he hasn't so far moved to the center to manage the city. he is focused on national politics. he has made trips to various places and espouses a progressive movement. a lot of people think he's going to focus on the day-to-day workings of the city. charlie: you can also argue that might bloomberg was progressive on many issues also. mike bloomberg was engaged in

the day-to-day operation of the city, held his commissioners accountable had meetings where , he drilled down and got real-time information. you had to be on your game if you were working for mayor bloomberg. i'm not certain that's a case with mayor de blasio. charlie: tell me what happens when you had the action with the former tennis pro james blake, when he was tackled. evidently some mistaken identity or something. how does that happen? realizing it was not under your jurisdiction, it was after you left the office, very recently. what ought to be the approach after something like that happens? ray: we don't know what was in the officers head. we don't know what information he had.

if you just look at the video, it looks like inappropriate conduct. what should have happened there, since it's a credit card fraud case -- charlie: he was misidentified. ray: they thought he was the perpetrator. you identify yourself as a police officer and say, can i talk to you for a second? you take them into the lobby and have one or two other officers with you. i know there was a team that was i think close by. they were engaged apparently in something else. but you would normally arrest somebody by yourself and tackled them. >> given the nature of the crime. again, i don't know what the officer knew. was there a possibility of being armed? just looking at the video, it does not look like appropriate behavior by any means. charlie: so the officer should obviously be given due process. ray: there is a comprehensive, pretty sophisticated process.

there are courtrooms. there are advocates, defense lawyers. you go through the process. charlie: they have established a clear process for dealing with issues like this. ray: the union certainly plays a role, but the system ultimately makes a recommendation to the police commissioner. the police commission makes a final determination as far as discipline. charlie: were the police out of line to insult the mayor by turning their back on him? ray: yes. you have to respect the position. it was a very emotional time. you had two police officers who were assassinated, they were gunned down and didn't have a chance. given some things the mayor said, his comments after the eric garner grand jury decision, those sorts of things added to the emotion. but i think it was inappropriate. ♪

charlie: when you think about terrorism, you had offices around the world whenever there's a terrorist incident, they would go. we have talked about that on this program before. is it getting more difficult now because of all the online at -- activity, because of so many other factors? because so many people find

themselves for whatever reason attracted to sort of the opportunity to join something larger than themselves and show some sense of bad judgment? ray: the threat certainly has not diminished. it remains pretty constant, the threat from terrorism. this city is still seen by the intelligence community as the number one target in this country. you see isis inspired events and people, 90,000 tweets a day on the internet. very difficult for the intelligence world to get their arms around that sort of activity. and we see this phenomenon of these young, disaffected young men being radicalized on the internet and then deciding to

kill people in their own country. it happens not only here but in lots of other places as well. we are going to be fighting this fight, in my judgment, for a long time to come. there are no easy answers. we will not be able to ballmer bomb ourout of it -- to way out of it. isis is a movement, on the ground in certain places. charlie: we cannot kill our way out of it, we have to find a way to have better intelligence to find out what is going on. ray: in minneapolis there have been efforts to take individuals who were actually arrested for deciding to go to somalia and fight, to somehow put them back on the right track. who knows if that's going to work? i'm skeptical about it, but it's worth a shot.

charlie: vladimir putin said about the threat of isis, even as a russian leader, was returning fighters. people who had russian or other passports and learned how to engage in certain kinds of terror activities, and then with a russian passport, returned. that was what bothered him most. ray: absolutely, and that should bother us here. we're doing a much better job of tracking people who go and then come back. they usually take a circuitous route. you don't just go to syria, you go to other countries. this is a concern throughout the developed world. people who go and then come back. you assume they are coming back with tradecraft, to conduct terrorist acts, even if they don't use it. the knowledge is still in their head. so it's a real problem. i think he is wise to say that. charlie: have you changed your mind at all about stop and frisk? ray: no. not really.

it is a legitimate function. it has to be done with professionalism. charlie: is it done with professionalism, you have to ask the question. >> you hope so. you can't guarantee it. the decision was not based on the evidence in that case. if you look at the stop levels throughout the country, new york was certainly not number one. philadelphia, chicago, baltimore, los angeles, all had higher stop rates. it is a practice that police officers need to do. as i said before, you want them to intervene in suspicious activity. i think it is a deterrent. you see a rise in shooting in the cities and part of it is the fact that it is now known that the police will not be as proactive as they have been in the past. in particularly in the area of

stopping and questioning. every stop does not result in a frisk or pat down. it is a pejorative term, no question about it. i talk about that in the book. nobody wants to be stopped and frisked, we can understand that. but if you go out to grass-roots minority communities, they are asking for it. there's a sense that it has been diminished and they wanted to come back in terms of volume. charlie: what is the role of police in areas like homelessness? ray: we have to look at a multiagency approach. the police also have a responsibility to maintain public order. in the bloomberg administration, we had a proactive -- again, my favorite word.

homeless outreach. we would take them, offer them services. if they are violating a law, you arrest them. you can see that the manifestation of the problem has increased in new york city. it is much more visible now than it has been. exactly why, it is difficult to say. it's sort of a feeling of maybe permissiveness or what have you. i've seen on couples who look perfectly healthy who have staked out a corner, and they are on that corner living every day. it is hard to figure it out. charlie: and you think that sends a signal? ray: it sends a signal that this is tacitly accepted here. it seems to be multiplying. charlie: i used to have the impression that everybody believed that having a community

policeman that you knew that could walk the beat was a very good idea. everybody in the neighborhood knew the policeman, not only were they in police cars that they were walking the block. is that an old idea that is no longer relevant because of technology, because of budgets, because of so many other things? ray: we've been doing it for almost 30 years in the city. ben ward was the police commissioner and started it. lee brown came here, it was a big effort. i was his deputy commissioner. it is expensive. it's the most expensive way to patrol. i think in certain neighborhoods it is of value. but not everybody wants to have a local cop come into the store and sit with them. charlie: why not? ray: because they don't particularly like cops or what have you. but the notion that everybody

should love the cop is unrealistic. you shoot for mutual respect. police respect the community versa.rve, and vice a versa.vice a charlie: wouldn't it be better for the community if in fact they knew each other and there was an awareness that you could confide in the police officer or believe he was there to protect you and he or she -- ray: i think that's a little bit of oversimplification. charlie: we have talked about this before, the idea that the presence -- we have had cars with nobody in them. ray: that was a while ago. charlie: but the idea of a strong police presence was a very important concept.

you would have a series of police cars driving together. all of that to say that the police are here. ray: that's true. a little different on what you're saying of community policing. charlie: but it's the same idea of police presence, is it not? ray: what we did was put in operation impact, where you have police officers graduated from the police academy, with supervision, were going and really saturating a particular area. normally about 20 zones of the city. it worked for our administration. what you are talking about is the convoys going through the city. on our watch, the city was down to 6000 police officers less than the previous administration. we like people to see police particularly in the midtown area. if you go to times square are -- or other parts of manhattan, you will see a lot more police than you'll ever see in other major cities like london and

paris. that was part of our strategy. i put the program in place in the 1990's, all the commissioners have been supportive of it. it is not the be all in the all. charlie: tell me what is the most recent, innovative idea in police work. ray: it probably all comes to the use of technology. police officers having cell phones that do a lot of things, that make records immediately available to them. we started something called a real-time crime center. the notion was to take that concept, where you can get information on what is going on in the city, the detectives did that and still do it. now you incrementally move toward making the real-time crime center a portable entity, a portable device that makes that information available to the police officers.

it's about information, it's about technology. that is what is happening in police work and so many other fields as well. charlie: what did police commissioner bratton do that undid something he took great -- that you took great pride in? ray: i'm not even certain because i don't focus on it on a day-to-day basis. but the notion of that, that somehow stop, question and frisk was overused here, then it had to be overused in los angeles, philadelphia, and baltimore. you look at the rates. changed hisas position. i think it is a valuable tool that will result in decreased crime. you see shootings and murders are up here and i think it should be a cause of concern. charlie: thank you for coming. thank you for joining us. see you next time. ♪

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