john: i'm john heilemann. mark: and i mark halperin. and with all due respect to edward snowden, welcome to the party. let us know when you are on snapchat. ♪ mark: on the show tonight, people not named donald trump. i'm sure we will find a way to squeeze him and. the presidential races of had more bad days than good over the course of their campaigns. tries to seize the initiative with a big speech on energy policy. he wants to make it easier to export crude oil, once the keystone pipeline approved, and

wants to reduce regulations to have more say on how they taught their own energy resources. this is his third policy address this month. john,'s winning the policy primary part of what is going to give jeb bush the boost he needs? john: we have heard a lot from the bush campaign about finance. i think it doesn't matter at all unless the dogs eat the dog food. policy is one way to do that. i don't think any of bush's speeches on policy have been so magnificent or so distinctive that they are going to give in the energy needs, but they are a place to start. mark: they are thoughtful with lots of policy people, but they aren't that different than the other republican positions. eventually, if he has laid the foundation, some voters will come his way, but there is no doubt that the money will not do it. there still needs to be another ingredient, including working hard. i don't want to second-guess how they did this, but in

pennsylvania, late in the day, it will get you a lot of coverage. john: you think back to the campaign we started with the 1992 -- clinton's policies, which were the undergirding, were different and distinctive. they work cinematically and ideologically. bush is a little too orthodox. there isn't enough that makes is that he is different. mark: a little on tax policy. i do believe that in the end, this is a building block, but it is not going to change the momentum. other legacy candidate, hillary clinton, is trying to turn attention away from the waterfall of negative e-mail stories. a big part of it is bill clinton, who used his classic defense in a cnn interview. >> i received a call before 1991, before it ran for president, from the bush white house. he said, "we have looked at the

field and you are the only one who can win. we are going to give you so you better not run." all of a sudden, something nobody thought was an issue turned out never to be an issue, of $70 million investigation. and all the hammering happened and u.s. voters didn't really believe it. do you trust a mess much? no. this is just something that is a regular feature of all our presidential campaigns. isn: the other arrow the interview she just gave with lena dunham. >> i was terrified about losing my identity and getting lost in bill's force of nature personality. that was a large part of the ambivalence and the worry that i wouldn't necessarily know who i was or what i could do if i got

married to someone who was going to chart a path, that he was incredibly clear about. my ideas were much more intt ntui. johnt. john: there is so much going on, but my question is if -- mark: i think both these elements are potential building blocks. i think eventually if they go after bernie sanders, he may be the one who has to do it. peoplethat appearance, were mocking it but i think she was relaxed and show herself or than she has in any interview. those were relatively strong building blocks. john: i totally agree. we have been wondering when we would get to see bill take a bigger role. seeing him out there gives you a sign of how concerned they are.

he would not be giving that interview if she was so strong. the other thing is for her to play that card as a woman, which is very powerful and historic, important in terms of the demographics, she has to find a fresh way to do it. lena dunham is a fresh way to do it. it will be seen by a lot of people and give her fresh context. mark: the big dog is rusty by his own admission. he keeps saying he doesn't know what snapchat is. john: let's hope not, for his sake. he is going to make mistakes and i can kill him. kevin mccarthy is smart money to replace john boehner as the republican speaker of the house. still, there are some concerns of the party that he is too onexperienced, to political, and not policy oriented enough. a competitive races brewing for the majority leader and whip spot under the new speaker.

boehner said today there is no date yet. with a lot of uncertainty about timing and about who will run into will win, are the republicans headed toward a new leadership team that will serve them effectively? john: i don't know who is going to win the race. but i do know this -- john boehner was underrated in terms of his ability to manage his caucus, and i know this caucus is just as fractured. the dynamics have not changed and these guys are now new people coming into this position in a very difficult environment, made all the more difficult by the presidential campaign. i think they will have a very hard time. mark: as best we can tell, everyone running now is a white man -- that is no good. and there is a lack of reformer zeal. there is a lot of rhetoric about -- we want to speak to the people at address concerns. this morning he talked about the highway bill and government reform. but big, overarching,

revolutionary policy ideas aren't coming. john: not just revolutionary, but you talk about the mccarthy not just not revolutionary, but not inspiring, not fresh. it was kind of procedural and the talk that makes eyes glaze over for lots of voters. mark: no paul ryan in the mix. john: house republicans are also consumed by the planned parenthood hearing, the latest event in the fallout of the controversial videos. the group's president testified for two and half hours this morning, and fought back against republicans who made the case that planned parenthood should lose federal funding. here's how she handled a particularly aggressive confrontation with jim jordan of ohio. the outrageous accusations leveled against planned parenthood based on heavily doctored videos are offensive and categorically untrue. >> with true statements -- >> i was reflecting that on that

video, not any particular not reflect the compassionate care that we provide -- >> you can't say i am apologizing for statements in one video and then not tell us what those statements were. >> this is an attack on 2.7 million patients, who each year choose planned parenthood as their health care provider. john: mark, as a matter of politics, who is winning the war on planned parenthood? mark: i think it is pretty much a deadlock at this point. the fight will continue to go on. that was a contentious hearing. i think both sides came away with their supporters rallied. democrats are more on defense on this, even with the media, which is usually sympathetic. this fight will continue. republicans feel energized by it. all the candidates will talk about it. john: i think you are 100% right

-- i watched this hearing and thought they changed no mines. -- no minds. if you look at the wall street journal, it is filled with a highly respected institution, it is overwhelmingly respected, the most respected institution that the poll tested. even people who don't like planned parenthood don't think he should shut down the government over. -- over it. a less republicans win over congress, they went. mark: there is also the intensity issue. this has energized people on the right in a way that makes them feel not on defense. john: at the republican attack. is against many women. this could become a big issue for presidential candidates that will place their disadvantage. mark: coming up, a classic wadr twofer. and i neede anita dunn.

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john: our gues tonight, ben ginsbergt, and anita dunn. mark: our guests tonight, ben ginsberg and anita dunn. let's get your assessment on where the presidential campaigns start, then it was to hear you quickly on the republican and democratic side. brad: very fluid -- n: very fluid on the republican side, all of them feeling their way through a different political year. still anyone's race. on the democratic side, god, i love watching it. [laughter] that is kind of the way

we democrats are feeling every time we see the republicans on tv. ben and i can share that. on the democratic side, we are about to enter the next period, debates, speeches, a lot more high-level engagement. there are a couple things i'm looking for. one is a september 30 fundraising. we all expect hillary clinton to have done well. the real question is what does bernie sanders look like? i suspect is online fundraising is going to be very impressive, based on everything we have seen so far. two will be that first debate. obviously there is a question of whether there are five or six people -- i don't know the answer. what are the- strategies the candidates bring in? on the republican side, i think that the assumption that somehow gravity was going to bring some people down doesn't seem to be

happening. it is fascinating as poll after poll shows that the republican primary voters are so not just angry at washington but actively rejecting anybody. we had two governors dropout already. they are rejecting political experience and not just washington. voice from the grassroots that has not been heard in this way this early. that is absolutely correct. part of the question on the republican candidates will be what anita said about the september 30 reports. what is the level that is enough for republican candidates to be taken as credible, since the media will have a lot to say? john: enough to pay the bills. surprised -- you have 50% of the votes, and most people in

the establishment think the establishment will be the nominee. seems like anyone who doesn't raise enough slims down. we talked about bush in the currentgment, and his position in the poll. what would it take, do you think, for jeb bush to move up? ben: i think a good fundraising quarter is certainly part of it. you have to look at the cash on hand. john: that alone? ben: no, there is a long list of things. doing well in the next today, making a breakthrough. too that it's not till the end of october. we have benefited from having more debates more often. the emergence of field organizations and the key state. the way how this primary calendar is different. mark: the bush campaign keeps saying it is early still -- we have a lot of money in the bank,

building a solid foundation. at what point is it no longer early? i will appoint his jeb bush continue on the downward gentry? ben: i don't believe that happens until the voters vote. they are the ultimate consumers . again, you have to recognize what the calendar is, look at the first four states. that is a ticket punching exercise. then being able to do well march 1. anita: you have the first four states, and then you have march 1 without large number. what role do you think momentum plays? that is something everyone was looking at. andernie sanders wins iowa, he is trailing by five or six points, if he wins new hampshire, what kind of momentum does he take? i'm curious about what the republicans think about momentum? ben: i h think hillary clinton s

a presumptive front-runner, we can't let that happen. the republican side feels pretty level, but is a little different. my mitt romney experience chases me on the momentum part. 3.5 of they won first five state and that should have been momentum, but the calendar didn't let him since the nomination until the end of april. john: but it didn't whittle the field -- but it did whittle the field down. ben: but it was a much more talented in 2016. mark: is there anything out there aside from his personal data that you would endorse, that if you are joe biden, would deter you from running? anita: i think there are significant obstacles to anybody who would get in. we were just talking about some of them.

money, organization, endorsement, the infrastructure of a presidential campaign. obviously hillary clinton's campaign, run by the best people the democratic party, really although people -- there are a lot of other talented people in other campaigns -- but she has a great campaign. for him, it is personal. back, the newcome host of "the daily show." ♪ ♪

andomedy central declined, once more, a job americans rejected is now being done by an immigrant. [laughter] that was trevor know it in his daily show did you last night. he did well, but we are bringing

our senior political intersection correspondent. will, howd did he do? will: it is certainly a difficult assignment. he is introducing himself to america. that is a great line. he delivered a well but he was clearly nervous, and he talked very fast. it was jarring how quickly he spoke. but this is a show that has been there for a long time. it is only the first night and you can't overreact. he didn't break the furniture or knock anything over. i think he did as well as he could. i never subtract points for that. partdaily show" was a huge of the following. noah took on one of the biggest stories in politics. let's look at that. boehner speaker john

resigning from congress. >> whoa. why these now, i just got here? [laughter] >> i learned how to pronounce your name! bah-ner! [laughter] the old boehner pronounce or joke. obviously one of the questions is will he keep the jon stewart audience, would still be the place to go for late-night political junkies? is he going to keep up jon stewart's level of political satire? will: it certainly speaks -- he is new to american politics, the idea that he is doing the john boehner joke, that was old 15 years ago. he is going to be growing into the job. this is essentially the same writing staff that he brought in. this is the same staff that has run all those.

the only person they have lost as stewart. they are going to let him work his way into it. it is strange watching him deliver jon stewart-esque jokes when we know he doesn't know politics. he cast himself as a political neophyte? but he had aategy, couple jokes last night that rang a little clunky. some were not totally lighthearted. boehner jokeer with a slightly different tone than the last one. >> john boehner has final say about westlaw's come in it which laws don't. use basically the bouncer at club congress. [laughter] >> which is probably the worst club ever. everyone has aids. mark: ok, so aides wordplay on his first night.

i'm curious what you think that might tell us about his style going down the line. will: certainly a groaner, no question. things we think we know about noah is that he has been on twitter in the past. back against outrage culture, which hurts them a lot. i think it is telling that on this was aight, massive debut, for him to go for a joke like that, it shows there might be a fearlessness to him, that may push back against the audience in a way that can make the joke is. the question is whether the audience will be there with him. mark: obviously another big part of jon stewart's talent was a darn good interviewer. he was funny but also informative. noah's first guest was comedian kevin hart. let's look at this interview. >> touring the world, making

movies with the rockstar body. [laughter] >> have you seen my pants? [laughter] i thought his style was pretty friendly, pretty welcoming. what you think of him as a sitdown interview or? do you think we will see him with other big people in politics? certainly the rockstar body question is not going to work for bernie sanders. [laughter] wlill: he will have to work on that, because stewart was no not just for doing good interviews with doing very knowledgeable interviews. that is something he will have to get brushed up on. there is something inherently likable about him. he was good in a suit, a great smile, something winning about him. you hope that continues. i think that will help in the future but he has to brush up. mark: yes or no -- by the time we get november 2016, trevor noah will be anywhere near as

important a voice in the political scene is jon stewart? will: i don't think so. but after year, jon stewart was not as important. it will take a long time to get there. john: you are a generous and good-natured man. [laughter] john: we will see how trevor noah does when he sits down with chris christie this week. will, thanks. we will be right back. ♪

mark: we are on tv twice a day at 5:00 and 8:00, but lightweight 47 online -- live at 24/7 online. big day in politics tomorrow, lots of candidates in iowa and new hampshire. we will bring it all tomorrow. until then, sayonara.

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