mark: "with all due respect" to the house of representatives, anybody seen it kevin mccarthy? ♪ mark: on the show tonight, jeb, marco , and putin, but first, lots of lots of hillary and a touch of bernie. starting with a surprising announcement that an old socialist from vermont is giving hillary clinton a run for her money when it comes to money, as in fundraising. bernie sanders announced that he raised $26 million over the last three months, most of it from small donations.

hillary clinton's campaign announced she raised a touch more, 28 million, mostly from big donors. is this parity in fundraising represent some sort of a fundamental change in the race? john: there are a lot of ways bernie sanders is not like barack obama. in the first quarter of 2007 when barack obama beat hillary clinton in money raised, it was a political earthquake. this is not quite that earthquake, but it's a big deal. was: when barack obama going against clinton, he had both small donations and a lot of wall street-- sanders is basically doing this with small donations. everybody in politics knows that small donations means you can go back to those people, raising more and more. john: they are not maxed out. mark: since covering the plaintiffs -- covering the clintons in the 1990's, they have a lot of money. this is a big deal. if sanders continues to have success, he will raise a lot. know theders' people

cost to run in iowa and new hampshire. they now have enough to compete. there's only so much airtime and so much you can spend. they need to meet that bare minimum. they don't any third quarter way ahead of schedule. that makes it very dangerous to her in the first two contests. mark: meet me at camera two -- there is only so many hillary clinton donors that she can go back to. [laughter] most of them have maxed out under the law. sanders -- vast majority of his contributors, he can go back to them again and again. john: and again. mark: over the next few months. and that is a huge danger for her. sanders, on the republic inside, ben carson, are the grassroots candidates everyone wants to be. john: issue number two in hillaryland is kevin mccarthy. after suggesting that the purpose of the benghazi committee was to drag down hillary clinton politically, it

has not taken long for his colleagues to slap him on the wrist. >> it's an inappropriate statement. it was not how it started. >> should this disqualify him for being speaker of the house? >> it does not necessarily disqualify him, but it's a terrible statement. >> he should apologize. >>yeah, i think you should apologize and withdraw it. it's an absolute inaccurate statement as to what we are doing and have done on the work on benghazi. john: that's covers been jason chaffetz. already hillary clinton is trying to make hay out of mccarthy ghazi. an opportunity to hit benghazi and the other usual suspects. >> hi everybody, i am campaign manager for hillary for america. i wanted to give you a quick update on our strategy in the state of the race. there are 15 republican candidates. five other democratic candidates. 2 billionaire brothers who have committed to spending over $800

million in the race, and countless other super pacs. not to mention congressional republicans, who are running a taxpayer-funded opposition or research -- opposition research program on hillary clinton. this race is going to get tougher. the other side will never give up with their attacks. that's what i want to focus on what matters most -- and that is you. john: mark, brooklyn is doing everything they can do to take advantage of this opportunity. how well are the republicans doing at cleaning up the mess that mccarthy made? mark: you cannot unring this bel l. mccarthy's statement will live on in the minds of the media, in the minds of democrats, and in the mouths of bill and hillary clinton. some republicans are slapping mccarthy down, others are engaging in doublespeak. he is not engaging on camera. this is a cataclysmic event in the history. any honest republican will tell you that one slip, leaving aside

what we talked about already about the incompetence of mccarthy -- brooklyn will always celebrate that movement. john: trey gowdy gave a long interview talking about his committee's hearing. you hear all the lawyerly talk, all the position, the care, -- all the precision, the care, if it had not come out in the context of this it would have been impressive. he would have been impressed by it. as it was, it looks like he was try to mop and shovel at the same time. none of it matters because it's nothing like the bold bright lights of what mccarthy said. mark: mccarthy's statement could "ias big as john kerry's voted for it before i voted against it.' john: people think he is telling the truth. mark: now we will move on to e-mail. a new batch of clinton e-mails that have been released by the state department. they are pretty good. mostly for the staff like -- for the slapstick style comedy losing out of e-mail pore./

there's a time hillary clinton called the white house operator, and the operator didn't believe who she was. thing that is really officials sound cocky, and asking someone what fubar means. clinton's chief of staff warned that she didn't want to her practicehat was to use a nongovernment server because the chief of worried that hackers make it onto it. she received some suspicious spam, although there is no evidence that she clicked on any of them, and therefore got hacked. john, what does this new batch of e-mails tell us now that they have been made public? and is hillary clinton's political situation worse because of them? john: context is all. and in this context, the timing of these e-mails and the context of kevin mccarthy's statement overshadowed them. no one's paying attention, no one cares. the magnitude of the scandal is

what it is. there's nothing that will move the ball forward in these e-mails, even if we are paying attention. but the truth is no one is paying attention. mark: if what mccarthy said is surmounted, the main thing is that it once again it shows how cavalier they were about using a private server. obviously they should have known that it was susceptible to being hacked. it's clear that they knew. they need to keep it on the downloads of the people would not hack. it once again it shows the euro's possibility of secretary clinton. john: we now know there are double the number of classified e-mails that passed through that server. incremental developer and, but an important one. -- incremental development. mark: the other piece of the clinton strategy, abesides trying to take advantage of what mccarthy said, hoping that all these stories sound like white noise.

there is one other element, which is not subsumed by this -- fbi. it's still the case that if the fbi investigation yields some sort of indictment or indictments, mccarthy's thing what better is much. john: i thought you would say three other letters but i'm not sure which. coming up, jeb bush lays the smack on marco rubio, and what it means for your weekend, after this. ♪

♪ ho, a newhey ho conventional wisdom has arrived on the scene. marco rubio may be a more likely republican nominee than jeb bush. jeb and marco have headache mr. miyagi karate kid thing going on. which is kind of what happened this morning on morning joe when i asked jeb how his old mentee's

ability to lead. john: let me ask you about marco rubio. there's a quote attributed to you yesterday. president obama didn't have the leaders get -- the leadership skills to fix things. are you saying that senator rubio does not have the later skip -- leadership skills to fix things? jeb bush: i think i have the skills to fix things. marco was a member of the house revisited is when i was governor, and he followed my late. john: but you don't think he has the leadership skills to fix things? jeb bush: no. he didn't end up -- barack obama did not end up having them. people elected him on the basis that he could, but he didn't even try. john: how do you think jeb is dealing with the marco rubio threat? mark: that's a line of argument he will have to take. based on senator rubio's asian experience -- age and

experience, that is potentially effective. but his heart is not totally in it yet. john: his basic argument is that i was the big dog, i was the master, and he was the puppy, and he was a very good obedient puppy. i liked throwing a bone to him every once in a while. it was a good relationship. mark: jeb bush has 99 problems, and marco rubio is one of them. if the third quarter money comes out, if there are more endorsements, if the walker people start to disperse -- all of that goes to reveal. rubio ahead of bush in most polling, jeb has a problem. john: i think he does have a problem. but he's managed to not do this until now. it turns out that the conventional wisdom is a wisdom that they share. it's not just the conventional saying marco is a real threat. within jeb world, it's evident that they believe it's true. mark: who can be nominated?

bush is a most on every list. now there are some lists bush is not on. rubio is on every list. here's some karma at the last republican debate. rubio predicted that the overans would fly aircraft syria, jeb back up assad. guess what? all that is happening. russia forces assert that they have hit one doesn't isis targets. isis targets. john: one thing about foreign policy is when there is a bogeyman attaches to it, it's a lot more salient of an issue. last year we saw beheadings. that crystallized the isis debate. now we have been. it was not doing what he was in syria, it would not be an issue. but a lot of americans fear, hate, despise putin. this will move into the center of the foreign policy debate. mark: even though hillary clinton made different arguments

about how to proceed in syria, this could end up being a huge foreign policy crisis going into the presidential year. she will have to deal with defending president obama to some extent, or really turning on him. syria, and what would you do if you are sitting across from vladimir putin? those are going to be recurring questions. every candidate will have to have an answer to that. crisis, but refugee also what is going on in the ground, it's going to be a challenge for president obama as this term ends to say, kinney get something bipartisan? kenny sit with kevin mccarthy and mitch mcconnell and figure out a unified american plan to deal with this. that would be tough, particularly on partisanship. john: i like the underlying assumption that kevin mccarthy will come out of hiding at some point. mark: he is out and about. aboot.ut and a new movie about malala after this. ♪

♪ mark: recently my good friend davis guggenheim visited the studio. you may know him for "an inconvenient truth." malala.is following david and i sat around to talk about it. and we started by watching a scene from the movie. >> it is a miracle that you are here with us today. overcome an attempt injuriesife, grievous inflicted. let me say the words, the ta liban never wanted hear to hear -- happy 16th birthday malala.

[applause] malala: it is an honor for me to be speaking again after a long time. thank you to every person who has prayed for my fast recovery and a new life. me on the leftt side of my four head. they shot my face, too. they thought that the bullet would silence her. but nothing changed except this -- weakness, fear, and hopelessness died. strength, power, and courage was born. john: this is a famous moment about a woman who has now become a global icon. on some levels, totally obvious why you would want to make a movie about her. but just talk about what, beyond

the obvious, made this project attractive to give? >> when producers from hollywood call me and asked if i wanted to make this document three, i had only known a little bit. she was a girl shot on her school bus. i did some reading. story inout her early pakistan. what i realized is that there was more to it and that. -- to it than that. there is a soul, this mystery of a father and daughter. -- there is a puzzle. have a rise out of this small town. and the nature of this relationship that is -- that produced this girl with a political sense. i have two daughters. i want to know, how did that happen? what is the nature of that relationship? i did not want to make just a political movie. john: how did you get that level of access? how did that come to happen?

how much time did you have to spend persuading her that she should allow you into her life to that degree? davis: the first day that i started this, i took a plane into birmingham, england, took a taxi cap to her house. just me, and rang the doorbell. here again, half jewish, half a palean, -- half episco trying to start this movie. you have to establish this rapport, this sense of trust. the better you get that trust, the better your movie is. the beetle thing is that they welcomed me and and were very open. it became this wonderful journey, this conversation between this man, his daughter, and me. it's one of the great experiences of my life to get to know this family. john: the basics of this story are the story of the next ordinary person. what is most compelling of the ways you illustrate her

ordinary-ness. and by some ways in illustrate that, it makes her extraordinary. what was the imperative, the core of what you wanted to get at? davis: when i make my movies, i think of an audience that i'm making the movie for. in inconvenient truth," thought about my cousins in ohio that were republicans. i didn't want to make a movie for my liberal friends in a way, i wanted to convince my republican cousins that climate change was real. in this case i had a personal audience, which was my daughter's. ughters totwo da really understand this girl and to feel like they could be as courageous as this girl. icon, turn malala into an that's a dangerous thing. then you think, well i can never be hurt -- i can never be her.

most of us can't. i think my daughters could be malala, because she just was an ordinary girl. when you meet her, she's just an ordinary girl. she was an ordinary girl that made an extraordinary choice, which was to risk her life to fight for what she believes. john: also very much the product of the next ordinary and extraordinary family. i want to play this clip that illustrates the element of her family relationship. malala: this is my youngest brother. he is a really good point. he has a lot of energy. this is the littlest one. look at that impression. naughtiest girl. >> it's not fair. >> come on then.

[laughter] john: what is totally compelling about that it's like any family you have seen. you see things about her that people don't necessarily associate with malala, that sexiness, her brother ---- that sassiness, her brother calling her naughty. what surprises you about her as a person? davis: she's competitive. she's wickedly funny. i mean, she's funny. and just a sense of joy of being a family. i family from 7000 miles away, a religion that i don't quite understand, they are mysterious to me -- and you sit with them and their kitchen table was like my kitchen table. and that was refreshing. john: the movie is called "he

named me malala." is her father in that question. s: my father made great documentaries, and he was my teacher. he always taught me as a filmmaker that the role of the film maker is to let the audience do have to work. a great film maker said the role of a film maker is 2 + 2. the role of the audience is 4. and that's my oblique pretentious way of saying that i don't want to explain the nature of this relationship. but i think watching the movie, you get to really understand this very complex, very beautiful father daughter relationship which moves me. i have two daughters. my daughters are a complete mystery to me. my son is not, i can read completely. hmy daughters are a

mystery. i wanted to unpack this. there is something deep and profound about these two people. it produced this incredible girl. but not going to tell you why. you have to watch the movie to find out. john: but it's essential to who she is. mark: that's why i named the movie this. why did he name me this? i wanted the audience to figure out why. sweet. davis: you say sweet like-- john: no i mean it sincerely. davis: like a coldhearted journalist. john: what is her mother like? davis: she is much more traditional. and in some ways is not in the foreground as her father is. part of the tradition of being

on camera is seen as immodest. but when you go into her house, you know who runs the joint. and her mother runs the joint. malala gets her mission and passion from her father, but she gets her moral strength -- she is really strong. you know malala gets it from her mother. ♪ john: great thanks to davis guggenheim. lala" debuts ma tomorrow. you can watch the extended conversation on bloombergpolitics.com. we will be right back. ♪

mark: tomorrow, and all brand-new episode. we will be live at john kasich's headquarters and eight live -- and a live interview with the governor of ohio state -- john kasich. john: what you going to ask him? mark: a lot of trivia, and what

the state bird of new hampshire is. john: multiple choice is important. for mark and me on this thursday, until you see him again tomorrow -- i won't be here -- sayonara. ♪

alix: we are moments away from the closing bell. i'm alix steel. joe: i'm joe weisenthal. s&p bounces back into the close, treasuries fluctuating in afternoon trading before tomorrow plus jobs report. joe: the question is, "what'd you miss?" the fourth quarter starts with a bump in global equity falters. jobs, september pass big report. -- september's