♪ from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: you and president of mongolia since 2009. he previously servas prime minister in 1998 and again from 2004 and 2006. he's considered one of the principal architects of democracy in his country. theas one of the leaders of 1990 revolution that ended 70 years of communist ruling and co-draft of the country's 1992 constitution. this year marks the 25th anniversary of mongolia's transition to democracy.

the pleased to have president at this table for the first time. welcome. guest: thank you very much. mongolia, wein gave to each other, it is a way to greet. how ishow is weather, your family. in mongolia horses are very popular. we ask how is your horses. and you smell and give me back. that is the way to begin conversation. i'm pleased to be a part of your culture and your tradition. a long wayhave come to the united nations. what do you hope to accomplish while here? i think the 70th

, iiversary because of that think the world has the best 70 years. i concluded that, because we are there was no big wars and people much educated. i hope for the good seven years again. charlie: how is your relationship with russia? guest: very good. charlie: and russia? guest: one time mongolia was a big power and now i think there is no political disputes, no border disputes, no territorial disputes. charlie: as the transition to democracy been easy? -- has the transition to democracy been easy? guest: no.

we took very challenging way. we have to do that. charlie: you are a nomadic country? guest: yes. i born and raised in a nomad family, a shepherd family. it carrieseans -- the way of mongolia, our customs, our traditions, our history. also independence way of life and we love freedom. charlie: but you had to be part of the overthrow of the earlier regime to create freedom. guest: yes. 1989, that washe very cold winter. during that, there was the fall of the berlin wall. at the same time we had organized demonstrations in

mongolia. i was the moderator of the demonstration. charlie: how old were you? guest: 26 years old. so you played a role in the new mongolia? guest: that's right. charlie: what is your ambition for your country? to make every mongolian to have their right to exercise. and i believe in our people's ability, our people's freedom. ice people have that right, think people exercise this idea in unity, they are more creative, when people have more read them they are more creative. but people are more creative your country is going to be more

prosperous. charlie: i asked president putin he most admired about america and he said, creativity and freedom. you would say the same thing? guest: same thing. some countries would offer good wine. but america can offer freedom. charlie: and good wine. guest: also good wine. charlie: the relationship with america is good as well? guest: yes. america supported us, but it was our country born movement. in june 1990, we had james baker, former secretary of state came to mongolia. he said, we will support your choice for freedom, for democracy. charlie: how can they support it? i think only that's

enough supporting morally. the new connection is very important. i think usually freedom, human mants is not -- it is every entitled to it, every man can enjoy. charlie: how would you define the role of the united states in your region? what do you expect from the united states? guest: very important role. in coming years, relations between united states of america and china or russia is going to be defining. withie: the relationship china and russia will be defining in your region? guest: that's right.

charlie: what are your expectations, that they will somehow find common ground for the future? there will be competition, but you hope there will not be adversaries. i hope they find common ground. it is 70 years of university -- anniversary of u.n.. francis. speeches.ing to their they were quite promising. president xi jinping said this was very promising. hisdent putin also give very clear stand, what he think of the world affairs. charlie: did you send troops to iraq? guest: yes. charlie: how did you come to that decision?

iraq in 14 -- in 1500. we ruled persia for two centuries. charlie: the mongolian empire. empire.ongolian it covers all of russia, part of , ande, and china, india also persian empire. charlie: who were the most famous leaders of that empire? guest: genghis can. mongolia built first observatory and first hospitals, first universities. in iran.

he said he's grateful for mongolian empire. choose to make -- that became the revision. charlie: the main religion in mongolia? guest: buddhism. and originally is related with shamanism. charlie: how about you? guest: i am buddhist. charlie: what does that mean in terms of how you see life? guest: very peaceful and you are ruler of your own destiny. that's how i see. charlie: you are the owner of your destiny. how much conflict or accommodation is there with north korea? we have a unique decision in relation with north korea.

i was in north korea after my second term, my first country to visit, it was north korea. this is not detention center. you can go to the university and give lecture. i gave lecture about no dictatorship lasts forever. charlie: how did they like that? well. they received charlie: you are saying to them, you cannot live forever. guest: countries better off when .ountries make transition

you know mongolia was one of the regimeolated communist in the world and now one of the , vibrant in the world. korea has a huge technology base. have you been able to achieve a technology base in mongolia? guest: yes. makes -- charlie: it's a great equalizer. guest: it's a great equalizer. roughly mongolia we have 3 million people, 5 million mobile phone users. almost two for every person. guest: we have no censorship media and no censorship on

facebook, on tv. everything free. charlie: what is the biggest revenue source? guest: mining, plus agriculture. charlie: what do you mine? guest: copper, and gold. .e have a border with china as the declining growth of their economy affected your economy -- charlie: has the declining growth of their economy affected your economy? guest: yes. we have to produce more in , have to make more factor in mongolia. we have 1.5 million kilometer

land, 3 million people, 60 million cattle. and that's the number. charlie: how many cattle? guest: 60 million. charlie: wow. 60 million cattle. all to what purpose? it produce beef, and 40% of our people is still pursuing nomadic way of life. charlie: i know some wall street types to have invested in mongolia, whether it's in copper ore mining. are they nervous now, investors in mongolia because of the decline in growth of china?

one thing is in mongolia is good, because we have open society. mistakes.rom our because ofs great, the freedom -- you can learn it. if you make mistakes, it might .e your last estate your copywriting with our investors. charlie: when you look forward, you have technology, a strategic location because of the border

you share with china and russia, have democracy, you have trade. guest: one thing why am hopeful .or mongolia's progress [indiscernible] open countries usually do better . you see australia, you see canada, you see other countries. those are the open countries. because of that, we learn. if we make mistakes, we can fix that and improve that with our partners. mongolia is not ruled by one man , but by they people. charlie: you seem to have a strong antipathy to totalitarianism and

dictatorships and anything that impedes freedom. guest: i love freedom. i think fighting for freedom is courage. it's spirit. it's not promise. it's courage. charlie: do you travel a lot? he said you come to the united nations, you have been to -- guest: pinyon. i was in the european union. charlie: what did you tell them? guest: i we transform our country -- hwow we transform our country within a single generation from communist regime to most open country.

we told the mongolian story. charlie: thank you for coming to this table. it's a pleasure to have you here. thank you for having me here. ♪

charlie: she has starred in

critically acclaimed films like "chocolate." she won an academy award for the "english patient." she is a proven stage actress. the classic tragedy premiered in london in march and i am pleased to have her back. guest: thank you. charlie: it's great to see you on stage with an automatic -- stage. was it an automatic yes? guest: it came from the directors of the english barbican and they wanted to do something with me. charlie: they came and searching of what it would be? find athey can to director i would like to work with so i proposed a name. find a director i

would like to work with, so i proposed a name. we met and talked about greek tragedies. i wanted to do it somehow. apparently i won. we did not have the translation yet. she did the task beautifully. charlie: is this a good time for you? you continue to do films. guest: yeah. i love both. myth has hidden knowledge and

it's a way of looking at human beings and trying to catch some kind of knowledge that the greeks -- there is something hidden behind it. oedipus ise myth of a big one. antigone is hellenus' daughter. antigone wants to hear the past, she wants to hear what her brother has done. she turns to him even though she knows he was an enemy, she wants to try to transform from its. it tells about somehow turn to

what needs to be done and what needs to be transformed. charlie: this is where she says she has given her brother a proper burial despite being forbidden by the king. >> making that weird little bird sound. you know how they cry when they see the nest empty. she cries to see the body there. so she cries and calls down curtain on whoever did the deed. she pours dust onto the body with both hands, three libations to crown the corpse. >> she seems unsurprised. she denies nothing. waslie: your performance compared to the performance and curled trier's "the passion." guest: she's an icon.

she is a reference to me. what she does is a reference. on her face it's like a landscape, so much happening. it was the first time they were doing close-ups in films. well.th did it as there are some actresses that are inspiring and she's one of them. charlie: why is antigone so relevant to today? because -- i think antigone is the other side of

that he doesn't want to turn to. and the feminine has a genuine way of having a lot of compassion. you give earth, but you also bury the bodies you are giving birth to. creon does not want -- he's more into the control, politics, wanting to control the situation of the city. he's refusing antigone's journe y, in a way. that's why only at the end of the play when he's lost his son, his wife, he realizes he was wrong. antigone means before birth. principal of the ontological principles of life. we have to remember where we come from. antigone remembers and that is

why she can bury her brother without judging him. is saying -- this is the bad and the good and you separate them. says, transformed from some reality. otherwise how do you transform if you don't start from the bad you have. i going to the feminine part of oneself is going to the unconscious out of oneself to the emotions that have not been on theet, responsibilities you have to take, it's going into the emotions somehow. that is what the myth of the bible is saying also, of adam and eve. adam has to turn into -- not the woman and the right rib, but the salmon -- but the himself isde of

another way of translating it. oedipus and that story of antigone is part of it. charlie: do you work all the time? guest: i love working. charlie: you do, it seems. doing theater and film. how much time do you spend not doing anything? guest: for me, when i work it's not worth, it's joy. it is discovering of some parts of inside of me as well and discovering the others. with't make a separation the off time and the on time. to me it's the same because when i'm doing nothing, i'm already myself withourish and i don't divide myself into bits. charlie: are there other classic

roles he would like to play? advance,never know in it depends on the person i meeting and i'm going to be something with. charlie: so you are not a seeker, it comes to you. guest: i'm definitely a seeker no matter what, that is my aim in life. that is how you learn. charlie: seeking what? guest: aha. charlie: life. guest: some kind of truth, something real and truthful to me. that is why actor is such a privilege position. it's not only a thinking thing. body has to resonate something true. words and words, and they are beautifully written. you have to make them alive. when the writer writes, is going

through it. but then the actor has to lift into a pace -- place of truth. time within yourself. many hours,n work but the moment of truth which is when you're in front of the camera or the audience, and you're alone. it happens while you are doing it. it happens and the moment you are doing it. and instantesent, that is almost eternal. in the present you can feel the treasure of beyond time. inside of time there is no time and that is what acting as for me. charlie: was there a time in preparation and rehearsal

leading up to the first performance that you thought you found her? guest: every night and catching something. -- i'm catching something. i'm still finding things and learning things. i know the actors are always doing the same and repeating the same way, i cannot. otherwise for me it's near death. i like to be alive and not know what's happening and trying to listen every night with fresh ears. charlie: how does the audience change the performance from night to night and can you tell early? as an actor you are given some information that is beyond your understanding and capacity to understand. things are coming to you as you are coming to them as an actor. the catching of information has the tension you

have from the audience. charlie: from antigone to marissa go be a. [indiscernible] you are right to do a parallel like this. she's going to try to save him. not only save her brother, but save a bunch of men being stuck there. she was the mother of this hope. peopleed to really shake for the government to move. at the beginning they did not want to do any thing and when the media that is filming the women and the families being there and being so angry because

they want the heads to do something, they would be worried, they would not know how to deal with it, when the media , the government went into it, and ably. -- bravely. charlie: what interests and moves me is what is it that causes one person to say, i'm not going to accept this, this is not tolerable. guest: it comes from her. she was abandoned very early on. she took care of her brother and sisters. life, thisrce of woman. this is why they can't stop her. she was speaking very loud, louder than others, and it started to take over in this

whole thing of saving this man. why is it some people when there's a moment of truth act and others don't? character, perhaps. life experience. consciousness. meaning? guest: when you are conscious of what you need to do. when you cannot bear something and you need to say it. that makes special people, that they cannot live with the untruth, injustice. the need of truth has to be stronger. that's why you react. charlie: roll tape. there it is, from 33. >> can you let us through. >> we want answers. >> that's why am here.

i can't give you answers unless you bring me in. i will have to remove you. >> go ahead and try it, if you want a little riot on tv tonight. there's a lot of unhappy people out here. it's been two days and no one has brought us anything. government shows up, some good-looking guy in a suit tells us how much they care. and they do nothing. we're not going to stand for it, lawrence. and want you to promise me to do something. >> i promise you we're going to do everything we can. ok? itrlie: just what we said was he convincing to you that he was going to do something -- s aid. was he convincing to you that he was going to do something? [laughter] guest: they did. they also allowed help from coming outside.

it was really a work of a lot of people together. charlie: we all know what happens, yet we did not necessarily know the drama within. how the struggle was makes it interesting and how difficult it was, and what human personalities were in conflict. juliette: it was a world of man stuck in the earth and the world of women up, and the government and the technicians putting it together to save those guys. also savede force them. that's my belief, anyway. charlie: do you identify

yourself as a strong woman? juliette: i think i'm everything. there is no strength without being vulnerable as well. being rigid is a different story. strength comes from being humble. if you surrender, you have another strength coming out. charlie: surrender to what? your belief, and that you are powerful. the belief -- somehow, you are not that powerful. surrender, there's another kind of relief and strength and freedom. charlie: i want to know what makes you tick and why you are the way you are and where this

talent comes from. juliette: how can you explain the curiosity, the need of knowledge? the need of living? that narration is me. -- nourishes me. just reading books out of knowing does not interest me. but knowing through an experience, like acting is next. it's because you lift it -- an experience because you lived it in your body. if it's --i know it almost immediately. the minute the writer is in the writing, he has to involve in some way that he has

to be aligned with himself. he be in the truth of his own experience as a human being on earth. certainly in terms of russian literature, you should not play until you've been through love and loss and di vorce and jealousy and pain. otherwise you can't do it. juliette: that is so true. an actor is better and better as he is living his life. charlie: you are better today than you were? juliette: i think so. i hope so. yeah. charlie: what did you learn giving up love? juliette: it's another way of loving after. i gave up my need. charlie: was there a vacuum or did you find a substitute? juliette: because the need was that suddenly, the

feeling of eating abandoned -- bandoned, then you have i believe we have an animal nature and a divine nature and we have to link those two. we are divided in two. charlie: divine and spiritual? juliette: we start with the energy of the animal. we go through all the emotions of jealousy, all the needs, all the animal that is coming through us and we don't know how to deal with it. at a certain point, i think that when you have been so much into s and there's thi no solution, you have to let go and be in touch with a dviinivie measure. -- your divine nature. charlie: "33" is the film.

"antigone" is a play that opens in u.s. theaters on november 13. we will be right back. ♪ buddy- nice place, nice car what happened?

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any given evening, 4 out of 10 households are tuning in. welcome. here is what i so admire about what you do. you're on every night at 8:00 in israel for a news program. how long does it last? guest: 75 minutes, these days. charlie: is there something about israel's fascination, need to know in the news? guest: i come from a country that i often think if [indiscernible] had been born in israel, he would have up with i think, therefore you are wrong. we are argumentative and we never agree about anything the one thing israelis agree upon -- anything. the one thing israelis agree

upon is watching the news. 40% rating and evenings, that is such a large share of the audience. into is an event, we morph 24 hour news channel. this is indicative of the way that israelis watch the news, treat the news very seriously. israelis,hat most they feel like they're under existential threat and news as part of the survival of knowing what is going on every minute. syria,: let's talk about the mood in the country. you have a nuclear deal that the prime minister is ferociously against. that deal will likely come to pass. how does israel feel about that? yonit: i discussed this at the

beginning, israel feels like it is under existential threat. not mordor.is of fronts, we feel it every day. it's hard to convince us that iran can be the new nice kid on the block. would be good if they don't have nuclear weapons. yonit: it would be wonderful. the israelis we don't agree with the prime minister on many things, the overwhelming majority of them think this is a bad deal. there are other voices in israel saying if we can delay this for worth15 years, maybe it's

a shot. maybe if our biggest ally in the world is making an attempt to rid the world of this terrible threat of nuclear iran, we should listen. to prime minister has chosen be very vocal against the deal to this moment in what seems to be a quixotic attempt to stop it. charlie: was the agreement on the nuclear deal a defeat for benjamin netanyahu because he fought so hard against it? live in a world of perception and there's a difference between the fact that the deal has passed and that he spot against it. it, and the against way he is selling it to the israeli public and the way he's doing that, he's saying i tried my best, i fought it as best i can, i will continue to fight it even with the next administration. he will continue to be the prime minister. charlie: his national security

judgment says they will more likely get nuclear weapons under the agreement. yonit: that is his opinion. -- heportant thing to say showed the israeli public that , he didking the risk not pay a political internal price for that fight as of yet. charlie: will he likely win reelection? next: it depends when the election will be. this election in march was my fifth as an anchor, which means i'm getting old very fast or israel has too many elections. [indiscernible] it was surprising because of talkednd the exit polls about a smaller victory. even running up to the election, you thought for a moment that may be the head of opposition

might win. it was a surprising victory, the landslide of it was surprising. it's important even for people who don't agree with him, inside israel or out, to ask themselves why he was elected for the fourth unprecedented term as prime minister. it's because of security issues and personal space. for israelis, i guess any other nation in the world it's very important. they feel that he was the right man to keep israel safe. during his six years as prime minister, israel was safe. you could argue if israel isn't taking initiative on the palestinian issue, you have a problem, you will have a problem in the long run. the people who voted for netanyahu thought he was that person. charlie: here is what happened

in the campaign that was interesting. he seemed to say -- he seemed to say he was no longer in favor of a two state solution, he thought it was not possible. then after the election, he seemed to be saying well, maybe. he seemed to be walking back. yonit: he pull back from that and said he meant he is still for the two state solution under his terms, but the point of the matter is that he truly believes, and i can't represent his rationale is to say, as long as the whole area is imploding into sectarian v iolence, we not going to do anything. we will remain in the status quo. that is trickling down to many israelis, that message resonates

with them. you can argue that. charlie: there is this question about israel today. conflict, this, the the constant international quarrel with israel, taken a toll on the israeli public? yonit: it can't not take a toll. from television media and i can tell you, for example, in the most recent last summer and the war on gaza and the fact that we were watching a different more on our television, israelis were attacked over and over by hamas rockets and the rockets were intercepted over and over by the iron dome, the system the united states helped to fund. we felt under attack and we were under attack. the rest of the world thought war in gaza. we said, we left gaza 10 years

ago. and we get rockets by hamas. the rest of the world is saying, israel is doing something wrong. charlie: israel is unfairly portrayed internationally. is definitely unfairly portrayed. some of the criticism -- there's a difference between friends like the united states saying this is what you should be doing , and people attacking israel because they don't understand the story or the whole story. israelisis such that feel like they are getting not a fair enough deal. even if they're not netanyahu supporters. charlie: what is the relationship today between israel and the united states, and benjamin netanyahu and barack obama? yonit: it's a different sort of relationship right obviously the relationship between the two

leaders, unprecedented low points. seem to me more -- they are best foes forever. between two nations -- charlie: what's at the heart of that? yonit: at the heart of their animosity, if i can paraphrase the ever paraphrased james carville, it's the economy, stupid. the completely to not agree, this is one conservative from jerusalem and a liberal man from washington, one man who thinks he can make world a better place , and the other one who fears how worse it can get, and that is netanyahu, they completely disagree on everything. who fears about security in some cases -- i'm asking you as a reporter in to reflect on the israeli

attitude, mood, feeling, conviction. do they feel that their leaders should take more risk for peace to have an agreement? history know there is a in which leaders have taken a step, have rejected an israeli offer by ehud, there is some quarrel and reconsideration of this with respect to historical analysis. yet offered what ought to be , -- he offereds what ought to be attractive terms, and the palestinians rejected it. is there still a sense that the israeli leadership should take a risk? yonit: you mentioned the three

main points where israelis went all the way, or least in their narrative went all the way. that's rabin with arafat and iraq with arafat. time the israelis tried this, and every time it blew up in their faces quite literally. we had years and years of people not being able to sit in cafes and restaurants without being blown up. israelis are traumatized by that. i think they have given up on that, let's take the risk. where the chips will fall in the middle east. again, there are the voices -- charlie: his time on their side? -- is time on their side? yonit: his time ever on your side? -- is time ever on your side?

i don't think you can know that. charlie: are the changing circumstances in the world getting more severe for israel? yonit: it comes back to argue the sort of person, the optimist to says things can only get better and let's use these differences in the middle east totry to make our market take the initiative or are you the person who thinks that things will only get worse? if you are the leader who thinks that things will only get worse, no voter will ever say you do not live up to your promises. charlie: good to have you in new york. yonit: thank you, charlie. charlie: good to have you. see you next time. ♪

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