♪ >> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." he has been president of mongolia since he previously 2009. served as prime minister in 1998 and again from 2004 and 2006. he's considered one of the principal architects of democracy in his country. he was one of the leaders of the 1990 revolution that ended 70 years of communist ruling and co-drafted the countries 1992 constitution. this year marks the 25th anniversary of mongolia's transition to democracy. therefore i am pleased to have the president at this table for the first time. welcome.

mr. elbegdorj: thank you very much. when we meet in mongolia, we gave to each other, it is a way to greet. we ask how is weather, how is your family. in mongolia horses are very popular. we ask how is your horses. and you smell and give me back. that is the way to begin conversation. charlie: very well. i'm pleased to be a part of your culture and your tradition. mr. elbegdorj: thank you. charlie: you have come a long way to the united states -- united nations. what do you hope to accomplish while here? mr. elbegdorj: this is the 70th anniversary of the yuan. because of that, i think the

world has had the best 70 years. i concluded that, because we are much healthier. there was no big wars and people much educated. we had a good 70 years. i hope for the good 70 years again. charlie: how is your relationship with russia? guest: very good. charlie: and russia? mr. elbegdorj: very good. we are next to each other for centuries. one time mongolia was a big power, and now i think there is no political disputes, no border disputes, no territorial disputes. charlie: has the transition to democracy been easy? mr. elbegdorj: no. the transition to democracy was very challenging. we took very challenging way. but it is the natural way. we have to do that. charlie: you are a nomadic

country? mr. elbegdorj: yes. charlie: what does that mean for you? mr. elbegdorj: i was going and raised in a nomad family a , shepherd family. my family means -- it carries the way of mongolia, our customs, our traditions, our history. also, the independent way of life and we like freedom. but you had to be part of the overthrow of the earlier regime to create freedom. mr. elbegdorj: yes. at the end of the 1989, that was very cold winter. during that, there was the fall of the berlin wall. there was the uprising in tiananmen square. at the same time we had organized demonstrations in mongolia.

i was the moderator of the demonstration. the first moderator. charlie: how old were you? mr. elbegdorj: during that time i was 26 years old. charlie: so you played a role in the new mongolia? mr. elbegdorj: that's right. i was very fortunate. to play that role. charlie: what do you hope for mongolia? what is your ambition for your country? mr. elbegdorj: to make every mongolian to have their right to exercise. and i believe in our people's ability, our people's freedom. once people have that right, i think people exercising their ingenuity. they are more creative, when people have more read them they are more creative. but people are more creative your country is going to be more prosperous. charlie: i asked president putin

what he most admired about america and he said, creativity and freedom. you would say the same thing? mr. elbegdorj: that's right. same thing. some countries would offer good wine. but america can offer freedom. [laughter] and a good wine. mr. elbegdorj: also good wine. [laughter] but the relationship with america is good as well? yes.lbegdorj: since the inception of the democratic movement, america supported us. but it was our country born movement. in june 1990, we had james baker, former secretary of state came to mongolia. he said, we will support your choice for freedom, for democracy. charlie: how can they support it? what can the united states due to further your ambitions as a democracy? mr. elbegdorj: i think only that's enough supporting

morally. that kind of value our connection is very important. once you have that freedom -- i think usually freedom and human rights is not only for western countries. it is every man entitled to it, every man can enjoy. charlie: how would you define the role of the united states in your region? what do you expect from the united states? mr. elbegdorj: very important role. we have to big neighbors. the republic of china and russia. years, andng relations between the united states of america and china or russia is going to be defining. in our region. charlie: the relationship with china and russia will be defining in your region? mr. elbegdorj: yes, that's right. charlie: what are your expectations, that they will somehow find common ground for the future?

there will be competition, but you hope there will not be adversaries. mr. elbegdorj: i hope they find common ground. it is 70 years anniversary of u.n.. you had vladimir putin, and i was there in the yuan headquarters. charlie: pope francis. mr. elbegdorj: yes, pope francis. i'm listening to their speeches. they were quite promising. president xi jinping said this was very promising. very substantive. president putin also give his stand. very clear stand, what he thinks about the world affairs. charlie: did you send troops to iraq? mr. elbegdorj: yes. charlie: how did you come to that decision? mr. elbegdorj: we were in iraq in the 1500s.

charlie: [laughter] iraq anddorj: we ruled iran, persia for two centuries. charlie: the mongolian empire. mr. elbegdorj: the mighty mongolian empire. the biggest that ever existed on the earth. it covers all of russia, part of europe, and china, india, and also persian empire. charlie: who were the most famous leaders of that empire? mr. elbegdorj: of course, genghis khan. persia, mohammed. the first build observatory there and the first hospitals. the first universities. i was in iran. he said he's grateful for mongolian empire.

during mongolian empire, that became the main religion in persia. charlie: the main religion in mongolia? mr. elbegdorj: he was buddhism. and originally, it is related with the heavens, which is shamanism. charlie: how about you? mr. elbegdorj: i am a buddhist. charlie: what does that mean in terms of how you see life? is elbegdorj: you know, that very peaceful and you are ruler of your own destiny. that's how i see. charlie: the central tenet of booty at -- buddhism, you are the owner of your destiny. mr. elbegdorj: yes. charlie: how much conflict or accommodation is there with north korea? mr. elbegdorj: mongolia has a unique position in relation to north korea.

we have an embassy there and also diplomatic relations with south korea. korea actually after my second term. my first country to visit, it was north korea. them, too good to the detention centers. or the kim jong-il university to give a lecture. , no detention center. you can go to the university. you can give a lecture. i gave lecture about no dictatorship lasts forever. charlie: no dictatorship lasts forever? how did they like that? mr. elbegdorj: a received it well. charlie: you got some applause from students? them, youe saying to cannot live forever. mr. elbegdorj: yes. i said, a country is better off one countries have more power

and rights to the people, it is better. mongolia was one of the most isolated communist regime in the world and now one of the most open, vibrant in the world. mr. elbegdorj: south korea has a huge technology base. have you been able to achieve a technology base in mongolia? mr. elbegdorj: yes. one thing makes -- our countries more equal. it is technology. charlie: a great equalizer. mr. elbegdorj: a great equalizer. roughly mongolia we have 3 million people, 5 million mobile phone users. charlie: that's almost two for every person. mr. elbegdorj: yes. we have no censorship media and no censorship on facebook, on tv. everything free.

on twitter. and we have public media, private media in mongolia. charlie: what is the biggest revenue source? mr. elbegdorj: the biggest source is mining and agriculture. charlie: what do you mine? mr. elbegdorj: usually copper, and gold. we have a border with china. 4700 kilometers long border with china. has the decline in growth of their economy affected your economy? mr. elbegdorj: yes. because of that, we have to produce more in mongolia, have to make more factor in mongolia. -- factories in mongolia. we have 1.5 million kilometer land, 3 million people, 60

million cattle. [laughter] and that's the number. charlie: how many cattle? mr. elbegdorj: 60 million. charlie: 3 million people but 60 million cattle? wow. all to what purpose? to produce beef, and 40% of our people is still pursuing nomadic way of life. charlie: i know some wall street types to have invested in mongolia, whether it's in copper ore mining. are they nervous now, investors in mongolia because of the decline in growth of china? which has an impact on you. mr. elbegdorj: i think they are somehow nervous, but one thing

in mongolia is good, because we have open society. transparent society. we learned from our mistakes. because freedom is great, i think you can learn it. if you make mistakes, it might be your last mistake in communist times. but if you are in a democracy, you can learn. you can fix it. that is good. we are cooperating with investors and people. underground mining is good. charlie: when you look forward you have technology, a strategic , location because of the border you share with china and russia,

have democracy, you have trade. mr. elbegdorj: yes. one thing why i'm hopeful for mongolian progress, because of our openness. when you have a lot of natural wealth, if you have a bad government, sometimes the country and traps. but open countries easily do better. you see australia, you see canada, you see other countries. those are the open countries. because of that, we learn. if we make mistakes, we can fix that and improve that with our partners. that is our hope. mongolia is not ruled by one man or one family, but by the people. charlie: you seem to have a strong antipathy to totalitarianism and dictatorships and anything that impedes freedom. mr. elbegdorj: i love freedom.

freedom's character. i think fighting for freedom is courage. it's spirit. it's not promise. it is not political. it is courage. charlie: do you travel a lot? you said you have been to the united nation, you have didn't that's been to pyongyang. yes, anddorj: delivered a speech to the european union. charlie: what did you tell them? mr. elbegdorj: i told them how we transformed our country within one generation. from isolated communist regime to the most open country. our story. them that's it. charlie: that really is what you

do, you tell the mongolian story. mr. elbegdorj: yes, we tell the mongolian story. charlie: thank you for coming to this table. mr. elbegdorj: thank you very much. charlie: it is a pleasure to have you here. we will be right back. stay with us. ♪

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here. she has starred in critically acclaimed films like "chocolate." she won an academy award for the "english patient." her latest film is called "the chilean note the -- mining disaster. currently she plays antigone in the classic tragedy that premiered in london in march. i'm pleased to have her back. juliette: thank you. charlie: it's great to see you on stage. was this an automatic yes? juliette: actually it came from , and they wanted to do something with me. and then they searched what it should be? juliette: no, they wired me to find a director i wanted to work with. and i proposed a name. i said to them, why don't you propose someone you would like

me to work with? so then we met and talked about greek tragedies. i had seen antigone when i was 18 and i wanted to do it somehow. va was more into that he was happy. we did not have the translation yet. so we asked and prices to be the wonderful -- and parsons to be the wonderful translator. she did the task beautifully. charlie: is this a good time for you? you get into a wonderful character like this you continue , to do films. juliette: yes. i love both. charlie: what do you love about this? juliette: about antigone? myth has hidden knowledge and it's a way of looking at human beings and trying to catch some

kind of knowledge that the greeks -- there is something hidden behind it. oedipus, the myth of oedipus is a big one. antigone is hellenus' daughter. she is somehow the guide at the end of his life. ghost, wants to hear the past, she wants to hear what her brother has done. he was the enemy of thebes. even though she knows he was an enemy, she wants to heal and try to transform from it. is the king of thieves -- thebes, he is trying to push him away. it tells about somehow turn to what needs to be done and what

needs to be transformed. charlie: this is where she says she has given her brother a proper burial despite being forbidden by the king. here it is. >> making that weird little bird sound. you know how they cry when they see the nest empty. she cried and called down curses on whoever did the deed. she pours the water onto the body with both hands, she pours dust onto the body with both hands. three libations to crown the corpse. >> and we rush out and take her. she seems unsurprised. she denies nothing. charlie: then brantley who writes for the new york times, compared your performance in antigone to carl dreyer's "the passion." juliette: yes, she is an icon. she is a reference to me.

the inside world and what she does is a reference. on her face it's like a landscape, so much happening. it was the first time they were doing close-ups in films. griffith did it as well. there are some actresses that are inspiring and she's one of them. charlie: why is antigone so relevant to today? it is because -- i think antigone is the other side

of creon. the feminine side. but he doesn't want to really turn to that. and the feminine has a genuine way of having compassion. you give birth but also you buried the bodies you give birth to. and somehow, creon does not want -- he's more into the control, politics, wanting to control the situation of the city. he's refusing antigone's journey, in a way. that's why only at the end of the play when he's lost his son, he lost his wife, he realizes he was wrong. antigone means before birth. she is in the principle of the ontological principles of life. we have to remember where we come from. antigone remembers and that is why she can bury her brother without judging him.

as creon is saying -- this is the bad and the good and you separate them. antigone says, transformed from some reality, because otherwise how do you transform if you don't start from the bad you have. and going to the feminine part of oneself is going to the unconscious part of oneself, to the emotions that have not been lived yet, on the responsibilities you have to take, it's going into the emotions somehow. that is what the myth of the bible is saying also, of adam and eve. adam has to turn into -- not the woman and the right rib, but the feminine side of himself. that's another way of translating it.

of oedipus and the story of entity is part of it -- antigone is part of it. charlie: do you work all the time? juliette: i love working. charlie: you do, it seems. between theater and film, how much time do you spend not doing anything? juliette: for me, when i work it's not work, it is joy. of somee discovering parts of inside of me as well, and discovering the others. i don't make a separation with the off time and the on time. to me it's the same because when i'm doing nothing, i'm already in prep to nourish myself with life, and i don't divide myself into bits. charlie: are there other classic

roles you would like to play? juliette: i never know in advance. it depends on the person i meeting and i'm going to be something with. ofis never sort preconception. charlie: so you are not a seeker, it comes to you. juliette: i'm definitely a seeker no matter what, that is my aim in life. that is how you learn. charlie: seeking what? juliette: aha. charlie: life. juliette: some kind of truth, something that resonates. something real and truthful to me. that is why actor is such a privilege position. you have to intimate. it's not only a thinking thing. in your body has to resonate something true. words and words, and they are beautifully written. but you have to make them alive. when the writer writes, he is

going through it. but then the actor has to really lift into a place of truth within their own experience. charlie: and how do you find that? juliette: you spend time within yourself. charlie: and training as well. juliette: training. butyou can work many hours, the moment of truth, when you are in front of the camera or the audience -- and you are alone. it happens while you are doing it. it happens in a moment you are doing it. it is sort of the present, and instant that is almost eternal. in the present you can feel the treasure of beyond time. it's ancient. inside of time there is no time and that is what acting is for me. charlie: was there a time in preparation and rehearsal leading up to the first performance that you thought you found her?

every night i'm , catching something. totally. i'm still finding things and learning things. i know the actors are always doing the same and repeating the same way, i cannot. otherwise for me it's near death. i don't like that sensation. i like to be alive and not know what's happening and trying to listen every night with fresh ears. how does the audience change the performance from night to night, and can you tell early? juliette: i think as an actor you are given information that is beyond your understanding and capacity to understand. but you are catching some kind of -- things are coming to you as you are coming to them as an actor. the catching of information has to do also with the tension you have from the audience.

charlie: from antigone to marissa and "the 33". on the one hand a classic character, and on the other hand, a real person under extraordinary circumstances. juliette: exactly. you are right to do a parallel like this. [laughter] she's going to try to save him. she has a brother. not only save her brother, but save a bunch of men being stuck there. she was the mother of this hope. she tried to really shake people for the government to move. at the beginning, they do not want to do anything. and when the media started filming the women and families, being there and being so angry because they wanted the heads to

do something, they would be wouldn't do anything. they would not know how to deal with it, when the media took over, the government went into it and briefly. charlie: what interests and -- and bravely. charlie: what interests and moves me is what is it that causes one person to say, i'm not going to accept this, this is not tolerable. juliette: it comes from her. you cannot get an explanation -- because she was abandoned very early on. she was an abandoned child. she took care of her brother and sisters. she started working when she was six years old. she is a force of life, this woman. this is why they can't stop her. she was speaking very loud, louder than others, and it started to take over in this whole thing of saving this man.

charlie: it is interesting to me also is that why is it some , people when there's a moment of truth act and others don't? , character, perhaps. life experience. consciousness. meaning? juliette: when you are conscious of what you need to do. when you cannot bear something and you need to say it. that makes mandela, it makes special people. that they cannot live with the untruth, injustice. the needething about, is stronger. the need of truth has to be stronger. that's why you react. charlie: roll tape. here it is from "the 33" "the .3 >> can you please want me -- let me through. >> we want answers. >> that's why am here.

i can't give you answers unless you bring me in. i will have to remove you. >> go ahead and try it, if you want a little riot on tv tonight. you are from the government? there's a lot of unhappy people out here. it's been two days and no one has brought us anything. we all know how this goes. the government shows up, some good-looking guy in a suit tells us how much they care. and they do nothing. we're not going to stand for it, lawrence. i want you to promise me to do something. >> i promise you we're going to do everything we can. ok? charlie: just what we said it was he convincing to you that he was going to do something? juliette: well, they proved it. the government proved it. they did. they also allowed help coming from outside and did the best they could.

it was really the work of a lot of people together. charlie: what is interesting to me, it is in a sense, we all know what happened. yet, we did not necessarily know the drama within. and therefore, even though we know they got up, how the struggle was makes it interesting. and how difficult it was. and what human personalities were in conflict. juliette: yes, it's interesting because it was almost a world of man stuck in the earth and the world of women up, and the technicians, the government and dictations really putting it together to save those guys. the force of women, the feminine force also saved them. that is my belief, anyway. charlie: do you identify yourself as a strong woman? juliette: i think i'm

everything. there is no strength without being vulnerable as well. charlie: you can have strength and be vulnerable. juliette: being rigid is a different story. strength comes from being humble. that is my belief. if you surrender, you have another strength coming out. [laughter] charlie: surrender to what? juliette: to your belief, and that you are powerful. the belief -- somehow, you are not that powerful, you have to understand. when you surrender, there's another kind of relief and strength and freedom. charlie: i want to know who you are, and what makes you tick and , why you are the way you are and where this talent comes from.

and how do you want to express this. all of that is what i want to know. otherwise i'm delivering something everybody else does. juliette: but how can you explain that? how can you explain the curiosity, the need of knowledge? the need of living? charlie: not necessarily explaining where it comes from -- juliette: that nourishes me. the knowledge without information does not just interest me. reading books out of knowing does not interest me. but knowing through an experience, like acting is next. acting is an experience of life because you have lived in your body. then it has wisdom because it has a reality. i can feel it, whether the writing is true or not if i live it. almost immediately now because i have been in it. the moment the writer is in the writing, he has to involve himself in a certain way that he has to be aligned with himself.

he be in the truth of his own experience as a human being on earth. charlie: some people say -- certainly in terms of russian literature, you should not play until you've been through love and loss and divorce and jealousy and pain. juliette: yes. absolutely. charlie: otherwise you can't do it. you have nowhere to reach. juliette: that is so true. an actor is better and better as he is living his life. charlie: exactly, so you are better today than you were? juliette: i think so. i hope so. yeah. charlie: you do know. what did you learn giving up love? juliette: it's another way of loving after. i gave up my need. charlie: was there a vacuum or did you find a substitute? juliette: because the need was so big, that suddenly, the

feeling of being abandoned, because i felt abandoned by that love -- then you have to -- i believe we have an animal nature and a divine nature and we have to link those two. we are divided in two. charlie: divine and spiritual? juliette: we start with the energy of the animal. we want to conquer, we go through all the emotions of jealousy, all the needs, all the animal that is coming through us and we don't know how to deal with it. at a certain point, i think that when you have been so much into abyss of this, and there's no solution, you have to let go and be in touch with a divine charlie: measure. thank you so much for being here.

"33" is the film. "antigone" is a play that opens in u.s. theaters on november 13. we will be right back. ♪

♪ she anchors a popular evening program.

any giving evening, four out of 10 households are tuning in. welcome. i am pleased to have you at the table to talk about this and more. here is what i so admire about what you do. you're on every night at 8:00 in israel for a news program. how long does it last? ms. levi: 75 minutes, these days. charlie: an hour and 15 minutes. is there something about israel's fascination, need to know in the news? ms. levi: i come from a country descartesen think it had been born in israel, he would come up with i think, therefore you are wrong. this is a country that love to argue. we are argumentative and we never agree about anything the one thing israelis agree upon if anything, is watching the news. they watch a lot of news. the evening news on the main

networks, altogether grew to the 40% ratings in the evenings. that is a large share of the audience. also, if something very big happens, if there is a big event, we morph into 24 hour news channel. all this is very indicative of the way that israelis watch the news, treat the news very seriously. and of course, it shows that could putlis, if i the finger on their poles, they feel like they are under existential threat. news as part of the survival of knowing what is going on every minute. ms. levi: talk about -- charlie: thai baht israel today, lot going on. but the mood in the country. you have a nuclear deal that the prime minister is ferociously against. that deal will likely come to pass. how does israel feel about that? ms. levi: i discussed this at the beginning, israel feels like

it is under existential threat. for us iran is not mordor. it is something that we feel, this quotidian attempt to buy a is -- iran, whether it missiles on hezbollah, things like that, we feel it every day. it's hard to convince us that iran can be the new nice kid on the block. so israelis are -- they can disagree -- charlie: but he would be good if they don't have nuclear weapons. yonit: it would be wonderful. charlie: and that's what the agreement is about. ms. levi: i think the israelis who don't agree with that prime minister on many things the , overwhelming majority of them think this is a bad deal. there are other voices in israel saying wait a minute if we can , delay this for 10 or 15 years, maybe it's worth a shot. maybe if our biggest ally in the world is making an attempt to rid the world of this terrible threat of nuclear iran, we should listen.

obviously, the prime minister has chosen his path to be very vocal against the deal to this moment in what seems to be a quixotic attempt to stop it. charlie: was the agreement on the nuclear deal a defeat for benjamin netanyahu because he fought so hard against it? yonit: we live in a world of perception, of course. there's a difference between the fact that the deal has passed and that he has fought against it, that's equally defeat. the way it appears to be, the way he is selling it to the israeli public, the lady is doing that is saying, i tried my best. i fought it as best i can, i will continue to fight it even with the next administration. -- he will continue to be the prime minister. charlie: his national security judgment says they will more likely get nuclear weapons under

the agreement. yonit: that is his opinion. he thinks it is a bad deal. but the important thing to say, is it a defeat? i will say that he showed the israeli public that he is taking the risk. he did not pay a political internal price for that fight as of yet. charlie: will he likely win reelection? yonit: it depends when the next election will be. this election we just saw in march was my fifth as an anchor, which means i'm getting old very fast or israel has too many elections. charlie: was his what was the margin -- was it surprising? ms. levi: it was surprising because of polls and the exit polls talked about a smaller victory. even running up to the election, you thought for a moment that may be the head of opposition might win. it was a surprising victory, the landslide of it was surprising.

it's important even for people who don't agree with him, inside israel or out, to ask themselves why he was elected for the fourth unprecedented term as prime minister. charlie: why? i think first and foremost, it is because of security issues and personal space. for israelis, i guess any other nation in the world it's very important. they feel that he was the right man to keep israel safe. during his six years as prime minister, israel was safe. you could argue if israel isn't doing anything are taking initiative on the palestinian waiting,st sitting and then you will have a problem in the long term. but the people who voted for netanyahu thought he was that person. charlie: here is what happened in the campaign that was interesting.

to a lot of americans. when talking about benjamin thatyahu, he seemed to say he was no longer in favor of a two state solution. that he thought it was not possible. then after the election, he seemed to be saying well, maybe. he seemed to be walking back. yonit: he pull back from that and said he meant he is still for the two state solution under his terms, but the point of the matter is that he truly believes, and i can't represent him or the whole public -- his rationale is to say, as long as the whole area is imploding into sectarian violence, we not going to do anything. we will remain in the status quo. that is trickling down to many israelis, that message resonates with them.

you can argue that. charlie: there is this question about israel today. has all of this, the conflict, with hamas, the constant international quarrel with israel, taken a toll on the israeli public? ms. levi: i think so. it can't not take a toll. it is very prominent i come from , television media and i can tell you, for example, in the most recent last summer and the war on gaza and the fact that we were watching a different more war. on our television, israelis were attacked over and over by hamas rockets and the rockets were intercepted over and over by the iron dome, the system the united states helped to fund. the point is that we saw, we felt under attack and we were under attack. whereas the rest of the world saw a war in gaza. we love gaza,was

what do you want from us? and we get rockets by hamas. the rest of the world is saying, israel is doing something wrong. charlie: so you think israel is unfairly trade internationally. -- portrayed internationally. yonit: israel is definitely unfairly portrayed. there's a difference between friends like the united states saying this is what you should be doing, and people attacking israel because they don't understand the story or the whole story. the mood is such that israelis feel like they are getting not a fair enough deal. even if they're not netanyahu supporters. charlie: what is the relationship today between israel and the united states, and benjamin netanyahu and barack obama? i think you phrased that perfectly, because it is a different sort of relationship. obviously the relationship between the two leaders is at

unprecedented low points. i will put this mildly, they seem to be more best foes forever. they disliked each other intensely, that is obvious. charlie: what's at the heart of that? yonit: at the heart of their animosity, if i can paraphrase the ever paraphrased james carville, it's the economy, stupid. it's the ideology, stupid. they completely do not agree. this is one conservative from jerusalem and a liberal man from washington, one man who thinks he can make world a better place, and the other one who fears how worse it can get, and that is netanyahu, they completely disagree on everything. charlie: do fears about security in some cases -- i'm asking you as a reporter in israel to reflect on the israeli attitude, mood, feeling, conviction.

do they feel that their leaders should take more risk for peace in order to have an agreement? and they know there is a history in which barack on the one hand, and other leaders that have followed, have taken a step, that rejected an israeli offer by ehud, there is some quarrel and reconsideration of this with respect to historical analysis. there was a sense that he had offered, what ought to be very attractive terms, and the palestinians rejected it. sense that thea israeli leadership to -- should take a risk? yonit: you mentioned the three main points where israelis went

all the way, or least in their narrative went all the way. that's rabin with arafat and barack with arafat. us --en with luck mood of abbas. every time the israelis tried this, and every time it blew up in their faces quite literally. not metaphorically. we had years and years of people not being able to sit in cafes and restaurants without being blown up. israelis are traumatized by that. will they take the risk? i think they have given up on that, let's take the risk. the mentality is much more, let's sit and see where the chips will fall in the middle east. again, there are the voices -- charlie: his time on their side? ms. levi: is time ever on your side? i'm not sure. i don't know if you can ever know that. charlie: are the changing circumstances in the world getting more severe for israel?

backevi: again, it comes to, are you the sort of person, the optimist that says things youonly get better unless use these differences in the middle east to try to make our market to take the initiative or are you the person who thinks that things will only get worse? i will just say, if you are the leader who thinks things will only get worse no voter will , ever say you do not live up to your promises. that's for sure. charlie: good to have you in new york. yonit: thank you, charlie. charlie: good to have you. see you next time. ♪

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japan. tell your tires -- toyo tires said they ignored news and falsified construction data. trading in indonesia is getting underway after a public auto yesterday. as of today, it is green out there. david: it's green right now. the story was different early on today. that being said, that is the story right now. gains of 1.2%. every sector group is on the way up right now. on bets the fed will hold off until next year for a rate hike. some things we are watching today, we will get to this in a moment. since3%, the biggest drop 1999. i mean, the company