john: with all due respect to jim webb, we are still waiting for your fundraising numbers. were going to give you 10 minutes. -- or are going to give you two minutes -- we are going to give you two minutes. first, the cache with a drawl, the presidential candidates have until the end of the day to show us how much money they have raised in the past three months. ben carson is up there with $20 million in q3. million and ted

--z put up for teen point more -- 7.4 point million. >> he is going to raise more and more every month. he has already raised a time since the fourth quarter began. he is the big winner and no one else up there, with the --marcon of cruz rubio, surging enthusiasm, maybe that is happening lately. lessact he raised than scott walker tells you a lot about the rubio juggernaut. >> he went up from 10 million to 20 million. she is the only one who substantially increased his fund raising.

-- he is the on the one who substantially increased his fund raising. i don't think anybody is up at all. john: jeb bush is up one million. he is up a tiny little bit. carson, big winner. i'm actually surprised, even though bush is up a little. bush is doing in the polls in iowa, new hampshire, even his delaware trajectory, the fact he is able to keep this money -- mark: i agree. i will say this about bush. had a bad fundraising corder it would've been bad pr. but they put out a document about how much they raised. they talked about why he is not doing so badly. paragraphs said -- political scientist to say the greatest correlation is endorsements. they talked about bush's endorsements. they are thinking of they're going to win this nomination --

i think they need to rethink their spin. the other thing, besides rubio, cruz.ted this doesn't include the super pac money, where he is strong. he is more in if the second tier are first-tier. mark: it matters that he is raising twice as much as marco rubio. raising double the heart money. he can spend that in iowa and be real trouble. john: this is a segment we like to call conventional wisdom, is it right? theoday's episode here's premise, bernie sanders lost tuesday's debate. this wisdom is so conventional and widespread it even appeared on this very show after the debate. but wait, said his campaign says he won the debate, he gained the most facebook followers in the wake of the showdown in las vegas and was the most mentioned on twitter. he owned the reddit front page and campaign has raised over $2

million since the campaign. happy he did a little happy dance when he appeared on ellen. watch this video. there you go. that is one happy bernie sanders. have you rethought your believe that hillary clinton decisively won the debate? john: if your e-mail was anything like my e-mail, i have been bombarded on twitter and elsewhere by bernie sanders fans telling me i am wrong. i said yesterday and i will say again, i don't think bernie sanders lost a single vote. among the people who love bernie sanders, they are still with him. what i said was i thought bernie sanders had not gained a single vote. you introduce yourself to more people and gain more votes. i'm still confident the online polls -- i love social media and i'm an old man. most people in social media are

in bernie's demo. >> i disagree. he was close to a cowinner. let's wait for the polls. i will tell you this. standing on the stage with her, heting out some good lines, lost. she did great by any measure. even bernie's people admit she did great. based on social media and based on the fact that for normal people, what they saw was -- i think he may gain some supporters. we will see. mark: i will let knowledge i'm wrong and bow to those people and say bernie sanders won the debate. until that i'm holding fast on my view. he isent obama announced hoping to withdraw american troops in afghanistan, the plan he highlighted and -- the plan

he outlined maintain the current force there for you 550 troops by early 2017. this is a clear reversal of obama's promise for military involvement when we leave afghanistan. this is a historic thing and will define, in some sense, barack obama's legacy. i ask you going forward, what do you think the political applications are on the republic side and democratic side? raised $4.4ch million in the second quarter, which puts him behind everybody, put him behind marco rubio and scott walker. look, i think the pentagon and the white house has no idea what the right number of troops is, to do the mission they think it is. of troops probably deters the taliban from taking additional cities before president obama leaves the president -- leaves the democratic nominee more vulnerable. >> that have looked at the risks in both

terms of national security and national order, too great to allow afghanistan to descend the kind of chaos iraq has descended into. if afghanistan slid into that kind of chaos, it would be horrible for whoever the democratic nominee is, particularly hillary clinton. this is in some sense mildly good for her. she agrees on the substance. john: it ensures they will be debate in the nomination. should more troops go in? did president obama not leave enough of a residual? itk: if he didn't do this would open him up to incredibly fierce -- all democrats leading up to a great -- he is still going to get criticized, but maybe a little less. john: today our pal and

colleague stephanie ruhle spoke with mr. donald trump, largely about the topic of money, something he knows a lot about. abouts what he said senator elizabeth warren. calls fromeceived the biggest people in this country saying, if you win i would love to represent -- they have a lot of money. >> you know who would love it, elizabeth warren? donald trump: i think she wants to see good trade deals. i think elizabeth warren, as as it may as bad sound, doesn't want to see the country lose 400 billion dollars per year to china in terms of deficit. i think when you explain it even to her and to people you consider somewhat radical on the left, believe me they are going to want to see these people. these are tremendously successful people. conversation that arrington tomorrow on bloomberg at 7:00 eastern time.

carson have and ben threatened to pull out of the upcoming cnbc debate on october 28 if the candidates are not allowed to make opening and closing statements and a cnbc says the debate is going to last longer than two hours, including commercials. john, are trump and carson going to get their way and why do they want this changed? john: i don't want to discourage -- disparage another network, but i think they will crumple. i have spent all day try to get in the heads of donald trump and ben carson and trying to figure it out. i have no idea. i do not get this remotely. >> i think trump is a showman and he thinks it is a bad show.

the other thing is both of them feel like they have the leverage to do it. think trump and carson are the ones who have leverage as the front runners to say we don't want to do it because it is just too long, it is uncomfortable to stand for three hours. it is a lot of weight time. john: i think it is fair to say these are always the most useless part. they don't define anything. mark: taken it to deliver and under still message. john: the truth is, as you know, when you have an unscripted moment they get to repeated. two -- mark: two exciting political ads coming up next.

mark: now some more commercials. we are joined by ken goldstein, who also specializes in tracking advertisements. we are going to start by watching hillary clinton's most frequently aired tv ad in iowa and new hampshire. >> families are so stretched. paychecks have barely bunched. racing family incomes is the ofining economic challenge our time. i have a plan that will put racing incomes at the center of our economy again. to making itt back possible for anybody in america

to go as far as their hard work will take them. i am hillary clinton, i approve this message. mark: clinton basically has the democratic side of the airwaves to herself. she has spent $5 million on ads in iowa and new hampshire. is she getting any bank for her buck? any of ourtime viewers saw that ad. if you are in iowa or new capture that may have been the 1201st time you have seen that ad. you said she has the airwaves completely to herself since last august. if you are a glass half empty or glass half full sort of person, her numbers have continued to decline, so that is an argument that, as someone said about a political advertising campaign, the dogs aren't eating the dog food. obviously has not had

favorable free media coverage. it has been challenging over the last couple of months and nationally. and those ads kept her in the ball game. and they stopped her from hemorrhaging even more. mark bank let's talk about jeb bush pit let's watch the most aired had. createovernor he helped 1.3 million new jobs. he vetoed millions in government spending paid he cut taxes $19 million, balanced eight budgets, and shrank state government. -- and on unions and one won. the state was florida, the governor was jeb push. bush. -- jeb proven conservative, real results. rise, thatight to was their ad.

spending a lot of money in new hampshire in particular. what are they getting for their spending? ken: about $10 million from right to rise. what i find interesting about that ad, and we can play inside the actors studio here. the bush campaign and they are uncoordinated allies have some concern about osha fatigue. -- about bush fatigue. conservative governor is trying to get people to buy into the notion of jeb bush before they have to hear the bush name area -- bush name. bush has been up massively on this show. even though they have spent twice as much as hillary, they are getting less than half the impact in terms of advertising. remains forth in

iowa and new hampshire. we have not seen movement there. have not had a lot of incredible polls in iowa and new hampshire. i think we will see more coming out of the next week. it will be interesting to see if this massive buy buy right to rise has move in the numbers for governor bush at all. mark: the group supporting rubio is on the air. i want to ask about governor kasich. there are other factors in media. not just the volume of the ads but the content, what is your sense about how those ads are doing given his numbers in new hampshire ticking down as of late? ken: k-6 went up early in the summer. he was the only person up with a significant buy in new hampshire. then he got into that conversation, that 10 percentage point range.

they have just recently made another $3 million by. we have not seen his numbers move. he definitely got a bounce over the summer but it was a sugar high that began to come down. they are now try to get back into the conversation in new hampshire. rubio, his outside group had a big buy. are spending money on national cable. half their money is in national cable. it will be interesting to see if rubio's national numbers moves because he has been on national cable networks like fox news. john: this last question about donald trump, who continues to lead everywhere, sometimes by a lot, he has gotten die without spending a dime on ads.

just talk about that phenomenon. ken: not only is he ahead in the national poll, but in that he really every single state, whether it was the polls done in the state or the averages, he is ahead. he has done that without spending a cent. he is getting tremendous amounts of earned media. we showed the bush ad and the clinton ad. compelling and if we end others are going to air 32nd snippets of interviews, he doesn't have to spend his money on advertising yet. the other person is carly fiorina, who has it also spend any money on advertising. -- who also hasn't spent any money on advertising.

mark: nothing gets our viewers fired up then these two words, tax policy. john kasich put out his tax plan. he cut taxes for businesses and the wealthiest bracket, eliminated the state tax, and balanced the budget within eight years. here is how he framed it at a national community college and new hampshire. kasich: i will immediately put us on a path to a balanced budget and i will get it done within eight years. within the first 100 days we will have that plan to balance the budget. and to keep it balanced i will start the process to amend our to requiren washington to balance its budget every single year, like states

and families in america. mark: we're going to bring in -- he has written a lot of taxes, tell us what you think about his tax plan as a matter of policy. al: i make great fan of john kasich, as you know. economics.doo he proposed something very similar 17 years ago in the house when he was the budget committee chairman. we had a $1.5 trillion surplus. of this tax cut and we will still have a surplus. it led to endless deficits. going to cut taxes by 30% and the us eight tax, give tax cut -- and the estate tax, give

tax cut breaks. at the san francisco giants and washington nationals have a better chance of winning the world series. mark: the other crazy thing, given it is john kasich, it is unimaginative. there is nothing in here new at the least. careaking on the football act and social security suggests a lack of courage on the issues. : for a guy we think of as having a lot of courage, you are right. it is strikingly similar to that. on medicare he doesn't tell us he is going to reduce the rate. -- he tells us he's going to reduce the rate but doesn't tell us how he is going to do it. mark: and if you go back to the politics of it, there is so much , that votersere

are going to hear any message from john kasich to say that i has to be my president. al: if he wants to run on tax trumpdonald trump will him every single day. and marco rubio two, probably. -- he is going to freeze non-discretionary domestic spending for eight years. it is currently at the lowest level of percentage of gdp at any time since the eisenhower administration. know if he is going to cut the nih budget, florida patrol? john: whose tax pie is more irresponsible? donald trump or john kasich? al: donald trump. hugh can't beat him in that contest -- you can't beat him in that contest.

he doesn't pretend he is going to cut any entitlements. he goes further. this from a guy who is a pretty imaginative and courageous politician at times at a very good governor, this is a disappointment. john: you are a god of tax policy. thank you so much. we will be back with a really funny joke.

john: it is time for some good old-fashioned white house trolling. -- by defeating the houston astros last night, and getting ready to take on ted cruz is other hometown team, the cruz's blue jays -- ted other hometown team, the toronto blue jays.

to make a betke he knows how to track me down. mark: thanks for watching. 7 a.m. tomorrow, donald trump, bloomberg .

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