david, berniery sanders impersonated you, first. >> it struck me that a communist pipeline into cuban seleka to happen to this organization. ♪ >> and our personal e-mail to hillary tonight, -- and -- but first, nobody told us 2015 was going to be this way. the ross is basically

and rachel of 2015, will he, won't he? >> there is lots of media reporting the joe biden is going to make a decision to. of --ws has gone the part gone the farthest, reporting his answer will be yes. rachel, he is pretty much the only person that the press is talking about. -- >> joe's has had his bumps in the road for his race to the presidency and questions about whether he is misquoting people but hillary has a long history of controversy, and i think that turns some people off. this point, she still

brings the strongest candidacy for president. >> if joe biden got in today, could he win? >> i'm not sure. i don't want it say it's -- i would don't -- i don't want to say it's too late, but at this point, he has not had the starting structure that they have. >> so you make him a long shot? >> i would. >> if biden gets in and the next or you'd hours, how was the water for him? >> i have no idea, but i will tell you there is not a single piece of reporting at this moment that i believe about this matter. i believe at this point, joe is making a deeply personal, deeply emotional -- >> how was the environment for him? >> it's not as good as it would've been when hillary's numbers were diving. we have been saying since the democratic debate that the political biome is more

permitting for him now that was a month ago or more than people thought it would be by this point. i don't think it matters to him. >> i love that it does either, and reports well, talked about what he wants to do for the country and comes across as a guy who is untroubled by the problems that hillary clinton has and can win, i think he will do just fine. >> i think he can do fine too. it will bunch of splits any democratic coalition that -- hillary will be the clinton -- will be the candidate for women, obviously. she has a lot of weakness with men, he has a lot of strength with men. and i can have a gender split and the party. >> the water is fine, come on in mr. vice president. >> hillary clinton has her big benghazi hearing coming up on thursday to get had of the minige, her team put out a

videography about her cap -- about her compliments as secretary of state. the democrats have been on offensively, accusing the benghazi committee of transparent political chicanery. in the coming days, both sides will be in full prep mode for the showdown. what will it take for the republicans to salvage this debacle? >> is going to be hard to run a hearing like this that is not the least bit bipartisan and this is not. everything about how the republicans plan to conduct a hearing just seems like a disaster. one number says he hopes he is not he -- he does not embarrass himself. smoking gun orme way to question hillary clinton and put her on the defensive, they could salvage this, but i

think this is setting up to be a bigger tramp for her than the debate on the current trajectory. >> i would love them to pull a smoking gun or a rabbit that a shot out of a hat. all the criticism that he has got, that trey gowdy is super proud of the e-mail stuff, that he is not at all trying to confine anyone on the republican side from asking the e-mail questions. there was a time where you argued and i was open to the idea that this committee would be unlike all the republican kim -- republican run committees that have investigated her. likenk it will be just everyone -- every other one and that they will overplay their hand and she will do just fine. >> the democrats will hold any momentum the republican questioners have. stumbling jeb, what are they feeding him? no longer seen as a front runner

by even his own supporters, jeb bush is trying to come back built around taking on donald trump. the latest fight between the two has gone on for several days on cable tv. it involves a discussion about george w. bush and what responsible he may have had for 9/11. jeb bush once again trying to come back by taking on trump. does he have a better chance to succeed this time? >> not at all. when mike murphy said in one of his rare public utterances that donald trump was some the else's problem, i thought he was right, for now. i still think that is right. not runningat he's in his lane. if trouble attacks him, he should fight back, but there is no mileage in attacking donald trump for jeb bush. he should be trying to establish an alternative. >> he cannot kill donald trump

in october, fighting about his brother. selfeds to be ability to -- relocate himself -- rehabilitate himself. attacking marco rubio, john kasich, if she's trying to win in that bracket, that makes a lot of sense. i see that. -- nobody has one against trump. i don't know what a victory would look like for jeb in this context given the directory he is on. >> you cannot fight trump in a fight conducted on twitter and web videos. >> maybe on a debate stage you could have a carly fiorina moment. in this context it seems contrived. only runb says he can if he runs joyfully and he never looks joyful attacking trump. >> a debt ceiling, how are you doing? morning secretary is that november 3 is the day the sidewalk ends if the debt limit

is not increased. the house republican conference meets tomorrow to discuss the october agenda and john boehner, whose exit won't come soon enough as far as she is concerned, has to figure out a way to get his caucus in order. what indications are there that the gop can get its blank together? --it's possible that bear that john boehner will find a way to raise the debt ceiling. ted cruz said republicans should get something in return for raising the debt ceiling. the president will not negotiate on keeping their -- keeping them from being a government shutdown. the only hope republicans have is that paul ryan becomes it looksaker and -- very grim right now. >> i hate to agree with you on every topic but that is what's happening right now.

it seems to be that ryan is looking toward taking this leadership and that would be something that would help and what is right now a total -- ceilingnly way the debt gets raised is if once again john boehner allows nancy pelosi two pro -- provide the data do it. we are going on a break, up the, friends way and on beat of the usa. we will be right back. ♪

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legislation involving guns was when i wrote it. i wrote the proposals for the president. >> that was joe biden at the white house today, speaking at the climate change summit where he brought up his record on gun control which makes perfect sense. here to talk about all things vp -- settlement, let's talk about joe and we will start with you, al. >> i don't know what thing. -- i'm ine same boat the same boat you are in. iran were all signals that mitt romney was going to run years ago when dan and i were young. let's just see what he does. that theyight now is intend to run but 48 hours to me a long time. >> dan, if he does get in, what

is required to launch well? to, rights to be able off the bat, have a compelling message that is something other than, i'm not hillary clinton. attentionbeen so much over whether his position was based on her strength, i don't think it's necessarily what it's based on but that's the way the outside world is judging it. if he gets in, he needs to show what he really wants to do and where he wants to take the country. if not that different from what any other successful candidate does at the beginning of the campaign. pullingd a lot of showing joe biden as part of a hypothetical race, tell us what you think of this moment, whether it's right to assume that bernie sanders would be the happiest man in america if biden jumps in? >> everything we have seen in our polling and other people's suggests that biden takes from

clinton and if he is not in the race, most of his support goes to clinton. for sanders, that is right. there are biting people who think there is a distinctive constituency for each of the three candidates that over the course of a long campaign, they might be a will to prevail, but that would have to play out. that's all hypothetical. >> one of the notable things that hillary clinton did in the debate was to try to cling to president obama and talk about being part of the administration. if fighting gets in, to those two have to fight over who is the true heir to barack obama? >> i think they might do a little bit of that, but i don't think it's point to matter. in, itjoe biden gets makes it more fun and interesting, but i can't see a pathway to victory for him. i think they had their differences, she is more hawkish on foreign policy, but that will be fuzzed over a bit. he is more of a populist.

they may argue about obama. i don't think that's going to determine much. biden is a guye that almost everybody likes, but they have to ask the question, is the capstone of a remarkable career to lose the nomination for the presidency for the third time and that's what it looks as that's what looks like will happen. >> at the moment, you got hillary clinton with one of her presumed strength is that she's strong with hispanic and african-american voters. sanders has mostly white, young and liberal. where does biden fit in? >> it's hard to know what would happen with the gender split. hillary does well with women, not so well with men. it's not clear exactly how biden would cut into either of those constituencies. on the racial makeup, joe biden

has been a champion of civil rights his whole life. he should have some support but deeper the clintons hold ties in the african-american community and he would have to battle her for the constituency. >> as we get closer to february, i know you don't think much of his chances, but will elect ability matter to democratic voters if biden is shown to be stronger head-to-head against republicans? significantlybe different -- the polls don't show that right now. it looks like hillary clinton is almost a certain loser and biden looks like a real winner, perhaps that will make a difference, but usually i don't think people vote on the basis of who will do better nine months later. joe biden should be encouraged by some of my track record because i have been wrong on more than a few times before. i think dan is right, there are a whole lot of places where joe

is strong, but they but -- but she is there. a lot of labor units are going to say hillary looks more like a winter -- labor unions are going to say hillary looks more like a winner. >> the people around biden who have been counseling him seem to have convinced him that this is doable on the mechanical front. he can build the team, raise the money, do you think they are right? >> not compare to hillary clinton. that headstart is going to make a huge difference organizationally, financially, biden has some people who have been through this before. they are not neophytes, but they are really going from a standing start and that's going to be very challenging. the only copy i doubt there is they do have time in the early stage. it's a bunch of individual states to begin with and they have time to get organized in iowa and new hampshire. >> dan, what do you think?

>> up to a point,, but i'm not sure i agree with al. i think they would have to work very hard to put together the kind of organization that hillary seems to rebuilding out there. we never know until caucus day one and organizations capabilities really are. folks think that the long game is their game, that winning in iowa or new hampshire is not the key to winning the nomination. to have to win later on. me the key to his chances are bernie sanders winning in iowa and new hampshire. you, dan, thank you how, we will be right back with the richest people giving money to help the richest guy after these words from our sponsors. ♪

>> mr. donald trump has somewhere between 3 billion and if any -- infinity billion dollars and he insults his rivals for using super pac's. pac named after trump's slogan, making america great again and taking donations to help his bid. joining us now is one reporter who shared that by-line. trump is allowed to have a super pac, what is significant about what you found in his super pac and his relationship to it? >> what is remarkable is about -- is how much he is gone after his rivals for having super pac's and being in cahoots with them. he has used this line on a

campaign trail several times that other candidates such as jeb bush and hillary clinton and that they might be communicating with their super pac's in violation of election laws. he and his top aide have some pretty strong links to a super pac that is working to help elect him and probably the most telling time is the fact that the consultant or -- previously worked with drugs campaign trump's-- with campaign manager. connection,some based on what you found, were those connections in legal or just hypocritical in the sense they're the type of relationship he criticized? >> one of the big questions is whether the firm that mr. szilagyi helps run which is called whizbang solutions that ,rovides printing services

whether they have a firewall in place. they were paid by trump's campaign at the same time that the owner has been running the super pac. you have to take some pretty serious steps to make sure there is no inadvertent or adverting coordination going on there. >> we were upset to learn about whizbang solutions because that was that we were going to call this show for a while. there is another name that jumped out of the story, that name was kushner. let's talk about that name and for people who have not read the story, what his involvement is in this super pac is in his connection to the trump family. >> the commissioners are another wealthy real estate family in new york and charles kushner is a large player in real estate is his son, jared kushner married to donald trump's daughter. the kushner's hosted an event for the make america great super

kushner'se of the wrote a check to the super pac for $100,000. mr. trump did not solicit that donation which would be illegal, but philly this was a group of the kushner's belt was worthwhile to support and actually as part of a family effort to back mr. trump. >> guido of how much that super pac has raised -- do we know how much that super pac has raised? >> we do not, they have been very low-key and low-profile. they have not reported as spending any money for mr. trump. they don't have to report any of the donations until january 31, a day before the iowa caucuses. >> we tried to ask some follow-up stories about your story that he never did answer, he was not able to get back to us for the show, but my question to you is, of all the unanswered questions you have regarding the relationship between donald trump campaign and the super

pac, what is the biggest? >> the big unanswered question is what role, if any, did mr. lewandowski play in setting up the super pac. he clearly knows mike's the letty and he told us at first he did not and then changed his mind and said he did. he then refused to answer further questions about the relationship. >> i'm not suggesting anything, i want to go back to kushner. just for a normal person, if your son-in-law is writing checks to a super pac, whether you are soliciting them or not, this suggests to many people that this super pac was blessed in some way. on the face, it seems like this is a thing that the trump family is supporting. >> there is several pieces of evidence that would suggest that the super pac has been sanctioned by trump or his campaign. the fact that the kushner's wrote a very large check to the super pac is part of that.

>> it would be legal but it would also be cahoots. thanks for joining us and we will be right back with more bernie and larry after this. ♪

>> you also larry david do his best bernie sanders on snl, and we had bernie sanders on here and showed him a clip of larry david. >> george, word around the office is that you are a communist. the internet, being the internet, speculative that it was actually bernie doing a voice, so we asked senator sanders to read the line. >> george, the word run the offices -- office is that you are a communist. you know george, it struck me that a communist pipeline into the vat pipeline of cuban

baseball talent could be the greatest thing to happen to this organization. >> the internet is going to go on fire because the curacy theorists proved correct. >> we report, you decide. >> we will see you tomorrow, sayonara. ♪

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