it is the walking debt. we are joined by alan simpson. welcome. i want to ask you about the news of the day. you made some news today by >> i havejeb bush. known to use daddy and mommy since 1962. i also thought to myself, i

think if i am going to vote for somebody for president, i would pick a guy who has dealt with agencies and screwballs and all sorts of people for eight years. anyone who decides to vote for someone who has had three days or three years in the u.s. senate and nothing else, i think you will pay through the nose next time. i do not care about all of the crop that -- crap that goes with us. the next day, to see you endorsing them, i thought the fix was in. >> he has embraced that for a long time. we actually go to people who we think are going to run for president. what do you think of simpson

bowles? they do this amazing dance. they do not quite get it, but they are shaking the tin cup wanting for money. i would rather pick a guy with experience. ,f we have not learned the game you are going to pay a serious price. pick someone who has done the job and paid their dues. mark: you probably do not love everything in this budget deal, but which parts of it encourage you about longer-term deficit reduction? to have a budget deal because we had to lift the debt ceiling. we also should replace the sequester, which is really kind of stupid. we should replace it with

smter savings. what do i not like about the deal? unfortunately, it is gimmick filled. only half of this deal is paid for. it is not how it is supposed to work. the debt ceiling is a reminder that we need to make changes to our fiscal policy. we end up borrowing more and adding more to the debt. i wish the discussion was how do we get the debt under control. john: give me your top two republican candidates. >> i cannot give you to be oh. bush, case it, and chris christie -- john kasich, and chris christie. i am not in favor of those tax plans that would lose revenue.

we need to figure out how to fix the debt. fixing entitlements are tough and real. john: who has the worst plan on that tax measure? >> that would be donald trump. >> grover norquist getting this commitment from everybody. why would you commit to something you have never seen? i never signed anything i did not get into before i had a debate. mark: what have you seen that is like donald trump? >> i have never seen anything like it. andas a real head of hair we have to admire that. we cannot not it. -- knock it. he has a lot of people who work for him who might be

undocumented. game at the top of his because he is striking at the heart of political correctness. people are so sick and tired up political correctness. they love it. onk: you are not big political correctness. >> i have a designation for it, but my wife may be listening to the program. it is a doctrine fostered by a delusional minority and promoted by crazy people. i would like to have a question directed at any of them, what the hell are you going to do about the national debt, buster? and watch them do the dance.

not one has said what you're going to do. thank you for giving us the image of grover norquist in a right -- in a white robe on a horse. next, surrogates from ben carson after these words from our sponsors. ♪

mark: we are joined by ben carson's campaign manager as well as rick tyler, advisor to ted cruz. i want to ask you about the campaign. i want each of you, tell me the

smartest thing the campaign is doing. liberty and announcing early was very smart. >> raising lots of money. mark: what does it look like to you? people want ane outsider. definite outsider. you come into the debate from different places. what is a win for dr. carson tonight question mark >> he shows a little personality, the likable, funny guy he is. >> economic policy. if we get into a lot of good detail on economic policy and how we will get this country out of the economic doldrums, i

think senator cruz will do a good job. -- dr.o you think voters carson is on the rise. -- elements of his personality people -- that have not come through. how much of a challenge is that to get him to be the person you see in private? >> media helps. we can do a lot of television shows and show people his life story. we are all outsiders and we all want the same thing. showing who he is and where he came from, he has been hungry and he has been homeless. serioushe world's most

brain surgeons. mark: i am pretty sure what you guys think privately, so i will try to get that. campaign, life support, deep trouble, or dead? >> he can certainly come back, but he will have to come back in a different way. he can definitely come back. >> i think it is tough. part of the problem is not overcome-able. you do not want to say dead, but you think dead. >> with that rolodex, not to raise more money seems to indicate there is a problem. mark: banking on the

establishment candidate will not be the nominee, do you think an establishment candidate will make it to the finals? could it in depth being -- could it end up being some combination ruz-trump.c >> an establishment candidates, we know who it is by now and they are well funded. the conservatives are hitting each other and you ever survives that goes after the establishment candidate. john: hard to see which one is going to emerge. will one inevitably emerge? >> i do not think that is a foregone conclusion. if the public gets exposed to more of the outsiders, they find things they like about the outsiders. the traditional bush donor every

day has sent an e-mail or a call and comes on board. i think they are hurting. there is only one predictable thing about tonight and that is that donald trump is going to attack somebody. how much have you prepped to be ready for the attacks from donald trump? >> we spent two hours yesterday with the light heavyweight champion of the world. ben is so good at putting an attack back on the attacker. there is no counter punch. likelihood --the likeliest thing that trump will attack him on? avoid the try to mashed potatoes and the flying

peas and corn. senator cruz has been very nice to donald trump throughout this campaign. who was the likeliest to see an advantage of going after them? >> there are a lot of candidates who clearly want to go after each other. i do not know -- we have been left alone. john: there have been obvious rivalries. mark: they will not be here tonight. let's talk sociology and humanity. i hear candidates talk about how much they like other candidates. -- areriendships growing there friendships growing? senator cruz has a great

relationship with all of the candidates. have you heard any stories about what they are doing hanging out during the breaks? collegial. i know senator cruz enjoys being on the debate stage. he is good at it. john: how close to your candidates follow the press? >> of course, they all want to know. >> ben will ask me how much money we raised, how much facebook fans we got. john: the spouses of the candidates, they also form relationships. they are also freaked out. spousesur candidates'

handle these debates? she sat with arnold schwarzenegger in california, so that was probably a bigger deal. >> they celebrated their daughter's fifth birthday yesterday, so both the girls are here. heidi and caroline are five and seven. they enjoy it. ofdi can speak to a lot diverse groups. she is signing a lot of nomination petitions for us. mark: what is your biggest single worry about tonight? >> i do not worry about anything the senator is going to say. i would like for the center to have more time. -- the senator to have more time. people want to hear more from

ted cruz. thank you so much for joining us. we will be right back with mr. johnson you knew. supporter of john kasich. and carly fiorina's campaign manager. ♪

>> one guy that says we ought to take 10 million people and pick them up -- where are we going to -- we are going to take them up and take them to the border and scream at them to get out of our country? that is just crazy. we have people proposing health care reform that will leave millions of people without adequate health insurance. what has happened to our party?

what has happened to the conservative movement? john kasich is madder than a mets fan at kauffman stadium last night. last night -- fraudulent or genuine? >> certainly not fake. this is a question of comparing and contrasting policy. let too many people go out there with policy that is completely ridiculous. never going to happen. deporting 12 million people, that will never happen in america. -- why not name

the candidate? i just don't understand. john: i don't know. it is more about the policy. that is probably why. personalityt about and who has the experience to implement policies. that yourld we assume --didate will get as much sara: i think voters will like what she has to say. john: this should be home field for her. obvious advantages and some potential disadvantages. what worries about -- what

worries you about being closely questioned on her business record? sarah: carly has great questions to all of -- answers to all of the question she will get tonight. 75% of americans think the government is corrupt. we have to have someone outside the political class. it is about getting someone in to fix the system. the number one thing people on the stage are worried about this being able to get their message out. mark: do you believe this race is still wide open? you can look at what happened in the polls this year -- this week with donald trump falling back. -- she doesbably not have any practical policy

experience. having no practical policy experience is fine if you are running for congress, but we are talking about commander-in-chief. we just went through on-the-job training for the last eight years. sara: the american people are sick and tired. carly has advised secretaries of state and she knows more foreign-policy leaders that anyone else on that stage. american people are looking for someone who has not spent their entire life within the system. john: it is about having the expertise to getting it -- to get it done and having a record to show that you can get it done. it is not for us to decide. experience and a proven record does make a difference, as do

the policy ideas. ideas that are actionable and can make a difference in the lives of people. i think there will be a lot of -- 10 days ago, he put forth an economic plan, creating jobs, giving power back to the states. all achievable things. what you saw yesterday was the next logical step. when you put forth real policy steps and other people are putting forward crazy ideas, you want to contrast those. matters?xperience that aboutwe want to ask you jeb bush's campaign. deep trouble, life support, or dead? for a it will because consummate political insider.

when we are out in iowa and new hampshire, voters are looking for someone from outside what has been going on. whether it is a d or r. >> do you believe there is a hunger and thirst for jeb bush? sarah: i don't. id.: he has 100% name mark: what are the odds on a bush come back? john: i am not a vegas guy. 1 in 20? john sununu show, when is that on? john: it is not a matter of where you are in the polls. you know the history of polls. herman cain, michele bachmann.

that is exactly what i said three months ago. response tobe a headline numbers. it is about building an organization, having a vision and the experience to do the job. john kasich has it. john sununu.iar, she is the winner of this debate. yet.e not done some big news about us when we return after this. ♪

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