san bernardino as we do in other hope rafael advanced/ event.r high-profile i will now have the assistant director of the ei say a few words. -- of the fbi say a few words. >> the fbi is here with our state and local partners as well as those from the atf. we are here essentially to ensure that all the wounded are extracted and ultimately public safety is number one goal at this point. we will work as a law enforcement community to assure that we have done everything we can in our power to find, locate, and apprehend subjects. at this point, i know one of your questions is going to be -- is this a terrorist incident? we do not know if this is a terrorist incident. we start from the beginning, working with our local partners. we take the presumption that it may be, it may not be. we work hand-in-hand with them from beginning. if things change, we are here from the get-go. there are no steps lost as the investigation proceeds.

at this point i will get back over to the chief. >> after the initial response, we have several hundred people in the building that are not injured. they have been taking to a set of location, and they are part of the investigation. we know this is a human incident and this is a tragedy. but we have a lot of folks that are very concerned and worried about their loved ones. we have set up an area at the corner of third and sierra way in san bernardino for family members to go for information. we will push out information to family members as we can. the sheriff's permit put up the crime tip hotline number of anybody has any information. we would very much like to hear from you. with that, i will take a couple questions. [inaudible] >> i heard it was from a meeting

to a lunch type gathering for the holidays. it's not confirmed. it's my understanding that most of the people that were wounded were all center located in one area of the facility. employees, the facility has both state and county employees, as well as those that work for a number of organizations. the regional center serves a number of organizations that treat mental illness issues. i don't have any idea -- i know that state and local county employees worked there. i don't know if they are any of the victims. ono not have any information any children that were involved. any information on the weapons used for the people involved? witness accounts, anything else to characterize this event?

what were they shooting people with? >> preliminary indications were that they were prepared. they were dressed in a way to indicate that they were prepared and they were armed with long guns, not handguns. i do not know what type. >> how many weapons have been recovered at the scene? >> what were they wearing that indicate they were prepared? 14 dead?id upwards of what is upwards mean? >> the preliminary is that there are 14 people that are deceased. our count is another 14 people that have been taking to various hospitals for significant injuries particularly rated two gunshots. --related to gunshots. roughly about 14 that are wounded.

we are not that far into the investigation yet. >> is there a possibility that there are more wounded within the regional center? >> that is a possibility. i am not comfortable saying no is this point. >> was there anything that looked like an ied in the building? >> when searching for the victims, those were items in the building that were not immediately identifiable. as a result of that we have some techs that are checking some of that out. i do not know if they were bought in by the suspects. we do not know if they were bombs of any sort. just something that our team said needs to be looked at more closely.

>> have you had any information on vehicles left nearby? >> not at this time. >> did the government say anything? >> nothing specific from witnesses. we are in the early stages of talking to them. this is the only active situation that we are working. >> can you talk about the suspect's vehicle, the dark suv? >> that is all we have. very generic, upwards of three suspect, darker suv. i never heard camouflaged. >> what were they wearing? >> i have repeatedly been told the number is 3. keep in mind this is information that is flowing in as people are talking to witnesses very quickly. as we put this together, some of this may change. these are fluid situation. some of the information that we put out might change in the future. >> any description about these

suspects? >> you were listening to the police chief of san bernardino about a shooting near the inland regional center that serves those with developmental disabilities. some of the headlines, we people came and opened fire. 14 injured and 14 dead as well. he is saying that those are pulmonary numbers. there could be more injured and more dead. the facility served several hundred people. they are still leaving through that. the suspect that perpetrated were prepared, they had long weapons and they found something not identifiable in the facility. they brought the bomb team and to check it out. the do not know whether that was a bomb. scarlet: the shooters are at large. the fbi does not know if it is related to terrorism. with all of that, "with all due respect" starts right now. mark: thank you both. this is a developing story. we will continue to monitor

that. there has been a mess shooting. -- mass shooting. 14 dead,m 14 seriously injured with gunshot wounds, perhaps more injured. this is at san bernardino california, 80 miles east of los angeles at a service center that helps people with disabilities. it comes shortly after the mass shooting just a few days ago, 5 days ago in colorado at a planned parenthood facility where several people died. and of course a time when the country has had many mass shootings and where the american people are still looking for answers. john, most strikingly with as many as 3 shooters, the fbi agent said he could not rule out terrorism. that is obviously what a lot of people are thinking about and wondering. obviouslye is terrorism of different sorts. for an inspired terrorism -- foreign inspired terrorism, isis, al qaeda, and domestic

terrorism, which is a looser definition. but these could have accommodations, other than pure insanity. that is a live debate right now. this is a staggering thing. more than one mass shooting per day in this year the current pace. we're just looking at the specifics that they sense sandy hook -- since sandy hook, apparently a turning point in our politics. there have now been 1042 mass shootings in the three years since december 2012 with 1312 people killed and more wounded. this is getting to the point where people are beginning to recognize this as a genuine epidemic. mark: republicans working with democrats on mental health issues. if authorities are correct, that there were 3 shooters as opposed

to a lone shooter, that would argue that this may not be mental health. the motive unclear. the identity and locations of the shooters not known to authorities. what is known, san bernardino california, a service center for those with his abilities, 14 reportedly dead. developing information on that as well as number issued -- number injured. we will keep monitoring the story throughout tonight's episode. will be joined shortly by our guest tonight, former senator from new jersey, bill bradley, here to talk about us originally about politics and foreign policy. but we will begin talking about the shooting and what he thinks about the nature of these kind of event in america today. stay with us. 60 seconds. ♪

pres. obama: we have a pattern of mass shootings in this country that have no parallel in the world. there are steps we can take not to eliminate every one of these mass shootings, but to improve the odds that they don't happen is frequently. common sense, gun safety laws, stronger background checks. for those that are concerned about terrorism, some may be aware of the fact that we have a no-fly list where people can't get on planes. but those people that we don't allow to fly could go into a store right now the u.s. and by a firearm, and is nothing that we can do to stop them. that is a law that needs to be changed. that we are able to

contain this particular shooting and we don't yet know what the motives of the shooters are. but what we do know is that there are six we can take to make americans safer. -- steps we can take to make americans safer. we should come together on a bipartisan basis on every level of government to make sure that we can make these rare as opposed to normal. we should never think this is something that just happens in the ordinary course of events. it doesn't happen with the same frequency in other countries. john: that was barack obama speaking to cbs news today. with us now is former u.s. senator bill bradley from the great state of new jersey. senator, good to see you. this is obviously still an unfolding story. we only know a few things, obviously horrifying. but increasingly common, as president obama was pointing out. to you think that the country is -- is feeling that

these are more commonplace? are the becoming calloused to it? is there a sense of outrage as to what has become an epidemic? mr. bradley: it builds to another and another. like a gay-rights, there comes a time when it happens because it is common sense. background checks, absolutely. i believe that is important to have gun registration before you buy, then have a background check. if you drive automobiles, you have to register the automobiles. the same should be with guns. since some people-- we ought to fund mental health clinics so that people can get treated, they won't be murdering people on the streets with guns that they obtained from the local gun store. mark: we don't know the facts, but in the wake of paris, you talk about mental health, gun

safety issues -- what about the issue of what we need to do to harden targets? are there to new places that don't have facilities -- don't have security, department stores , etc. is that something we need to work on? ley: we need to not become so careful that we contort our country into something different. we went through a lot of changes already sent my 11. -- since 9/11. i believe it's impossible to prevent an event happening somewhere sometime in the world, otherwise you don't leave your house. we have to accept a certain risk. the reality is that people can't accept risk. if you make policy, you want to know risk, no mistakes, and that is not life. that is why i think it's important that we do proven things and have a very good fbi and agency and are looking at

this, we are doing the best we can. the person is actively involved in this. -- the president is actively involved in this. the last thing we need our demagoguing politicians that point the finger somewhere else. mark: you have a good fingertip feel for the country -- for the culture of this country. why does this country have more guns or catheter than other countries? -- per capita than other countries? mr. bradley: i might say the constitution. it was not always like this. the nra, the radical element of onceun movement -- it was an organization that taught people gun safety. mark: they are not tricking people into buying guns, americans want to buy guns. mr. bradley: the reality is that there is no impediment to buy guns. they want to buy guns because they are afraid. why are they afraid? because politicians and media

play to the spheres. the result is that you end up in a situation where you have a country that is becoming more and more armed. i mean,m open carry law on college campuses? imagine fighting night on a college campus and you are carrying guns. is something going to happen? sure. it's gotten way out of control here. john: you been a student of crime and crime policy for some time. i remember in the late 1980's and early 1990's when you're working on the crime bill, trying to solve all these problems. has the fundamental nature of this changed? the way in which americans deal with guns? appreciablytion different? mr. bradley: the thing that has changed is that the nra has become a zealot organization. they used to teach children how to handle guns. it's now a zealot organization. is related to money as well.

we don't have campaign-finance reforms, so they can lobby politicians. they get no change whatsoever. john: it seems something more fundamental happening in the culture them that. mr. bradley: i think people are becoming afraid. 9/11 was a real shock. i think politicians want to point fingers at mexicans and muslims or whomever, meaning that they are the problem. when the reality is that we have to deal with fear ourselves individually, and as a country. you cannot live in a life where there will never be a bad event happening. it is an illusion. john: we will be back in a moment for more from bill bradley. we will be talking foreign policy little bit of politics after this message. ♪

mark: we are back, still monitoring the latest news out of the mass shooting and california. we are continuing the conversation with former senator bill bradley. you're a longtime student of russia. what you think about tom friedman who wrote that letter putting's -- vladimir putin's latest campaigns have been a failure, and that what he's doing in syria has been a failure for him, not a success? mr. bradley: in terms of his domestic constituency in russia, it's been a genetic success. in terms of achieving's objectives, no it has not been a success. do we want another enemy in the world? i think we have enough. we have to see that russell has

legitimate security interests -- russia has legitimate security interests. i have argued for a long while that what we need to do is say unequivocally that ukraine will not be a part of nato. and that is a neutral country it can deal with west and east. it worked very well for finland, austria, and it should work well for ukraine. that is the beginning. mark: what about in syria? what has the u.s. done in juggling the relationship with russia? mr. bradley: on the middle east and with syria, we need a little more humility and a little less naivete. the only answer to fighting isis is sunni troops on the ground. we don't want to fall into the isis trap, witches deploying -- which is deploying or enforces.

nor do we want to demean and demonize muslims in western countries, which are recruiting mechanisms for this organization's, heinous as it is. i think that we need support. sunni muslims that are fighting isis today. if you take the alawites in syria, that is a recording mechanism as well. -- a recruiting mechanism as well. the question is, does russia and the west have the same interest here? the russians want a syrian state and then iraqi state. the iranians would like to have two states. if not, we have to think seriously about someplace for sunnis to have their own state. john: in that same thought, in terms of writing isis -- fighti ng isis, that president obama has done an impossible job badly. do you agree with that assessment?

mr. bradley: i'm not sure i understand that logic. and impossible job badly? john: let's say an extremely difficult job attlee. he played a bad hand badly, what say that. mr. bradley: if we set the premise that the u.s. ground troops in the middle east is not going to solve the problem, in fact, it's an invitation for more isis involvement, i think he has done a good job not to withdraw and also not insert more military. it does not mean you can't have them advisers. -- some advisers. some regular sunni rebels. but you can't point the finger at president obama and say, here's a possible. -- she is responsible. when you look at who was responsible, it's the one who broke up the rock, put the military and fundamentalists in jails and let them emerge in

isis. the iraqi invasion will be one of the worst foreign policy decisions in the generation. john: it will be defied your anniversary of the syrian war. what do you see? increased conflict, or a resolution? mr. bradley: i think what we could have, if we want a positive spin, is you could have sufficient resources arming rebels. the rebels succeeding against isis. the syrian government back, having a negotiation -- government pulling back, having a negotiation, organizing the need for sunni and kurdish homeland. then you might get something. in that situation, russia has to be at the table. mark: last quick question. donald trump's success so far says what about the country, and what about the republican party? mr. bradley: this is a

existential moment for the republican party. martin luther king said that the real tragedy is not the clamor about people, but the appalling sounds of good people. there are a lot of good people in the republican party, even running for president. they need to step up and take on the kind of demagogic actions that we have seen in this campaign, as opposed to pandering. a leader helps people deal with fear, does not pander to fear. i think it says simply that our politics has become more and more extreme. this is an example that is destructive to who we are as a country. it is destructive to who we are as a country. it falls into the trap that isis has late for us. the more we demean and demonized muslims, that is a recruiting tactic. if we wanted to fight terrorism in the u.s. and think that muslims are part of that problem, our greatest ally in the right are muslim americans. -- in that fight are muslim

americans. instead of demonizing them, we need to understand their importance to our security and we are as a people. mark: senator bradley, thank you. we are still following the shooting out in california. live updates when we come back. more news from the article world, including a new national poll that shows something that senator bradley doesn't like, witches donald trump at the top of the pack. we will be right back. ♪ the only way to get better is to challenge yourself,

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it's our promise to you. we're doing everything we can to give you the best experience possible. because we should fit into your life. not the other way around. mark: the mass shooting and sambar nato, -- and sambar dino california, is the top story.

let's turn to another shooting. this one from the dawn of a police officer in chicago. one day after firing his police --ef, mary manuel sat down mayor rahm emanuel sat down for an interview. >> people can express their views. i will execute the responsibilities of being the mayor. defiant rahm not a emanuel, but a resolute one. how bad is the political fallout? mark: it is bad. this is a bad thing politically. his entire tenure has mayor has been embroiled in controversy's

and -- embroiled in controversy. this one involving a police officer escalates this a little bit. it has really created a political problem for him. he is going to have to continue to try to rebuild his relationship with a lot of parts in the city. john: this weekend, spike lee's chi-raq" opens. it is the kind of cultural thing -- when your city become synonymous with mayhem and savagery and death, it is not a great situation. heat foraking a lot of the fact that this video got released so late. mark: the tone in the clip is representative of how he has been acting thus far.

he is a pugnacious guy. it has caused a lot of people in the nonwhite committees of chicago to be very angry -- nonwhite communities of chicago to be very angry with him. this is a defining moment for him as mayor. other political news today that we will talk about, a new poll came out this morning, a national poll that has bad news for one of the big candidates in the race -- dr. ben carson. his support has dropped seven points since last month. that puts him tied in third place with ted cruz, also tied with marco rubio. trump is still leading in this poll, 27%. good news for trump. bad news for carson. who else is doing well? john: some good news in this

poll for both marco rubio and ted cruz. categories in which ted cruz is in the lead and categories in which rubio is in the lead. the two of them are gaining competing with trump in different lanes. ted cruz competing with them for the evangelical vote and marco rubio competing with him for the moderate vote. this poll is good news for the two of them as well as donald trump. mark: would you ever consider voting for this person, they are both doing well there. rubio does best head to head against clinton. john: interesting to see those numbers. the clinton graphic. i believe that exists? clinton isy event,

even with everybody. rubio is tied with her. still --m line, it is no one has emerged as a trump alternative. no one is a clear alternative. john: marco rubio, we have said this a million times, he seems to be the one player that has some strength in the establishment. the biggest headline of this entire poll, ben carson is fading. seenhe first fall we have -- it is not the first fall we poll we havefirst seen. 'tis the season to give.

what do you give to the guy who has everything? decided toorps has give donald trump around-the-clock media attention. everything he says gets aired and re-aired and re-aired again and dissected by the pundit class. to think the media likes them. -- likes him. mark: it is a schizophrenic time with the media. part of his political attraction is that he is interesting. mark: he is fun -- john: he is fun. level reporters go to his events -- liberal reporters go to his events. mark: a lot of the interviews

with him now, a desire to not be part of history that says, we did not scrutinize them enough. investigative report of -- reporting going on. but the press is still helping him more than hurting him. john: the press does not have much of a choice. he is the republican front-runner. you have to cover him. mark: it is not up to the press to stop a candidate. john: question him, hold him accountable. mark: trump is barely flexing and he gets most of the coverage. up next, we will talk about the great republican panic over donald trump. jonathan martin talks to us about the story the party is accessing over today. -- obsessing over today.

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>> i want american kids to grow up as americans and they will, if we have the guts to make our intentions clear. just respect for a country prepared as no country ever was. in your heart, you know he is right. vote for barry goldwater. announced from the 1964 campaign. he was the top of the republican ticket that year. in article published by the new york times, donald trump was compared to goldwater as republicans worry about what will happen to races across the country if the front runner actually wins the party's nomination.

today, john mccain offered a similar concern. senator mccain: obviously, we all know from history that if you have a week top of the ticket -- weak top of the ticket, it has an effect on the swing states. john: here to talk about that is therk times story" esteemed author. the republican establishment has been freaked out, worried, unhappy about donald trump for a long time. you say it has reached a new level. >> we are two months from iowa, there was this wrong held notion among a lot of party grandees that this will fade by the end of summer. the voting is getting somewhat stillnd he is still -- he

has a base of support. to get into the weeds a little bit, what worries party folks is the floor that he has. it seems like no matter what he support has a level of that he does not fall below. he has a hard-core contingent that defends him thick and thin. as long as the party is divided, 22% could be ar plurality for him. that is the danger. mark: are there republicans that this -- are there republicans that worry that this could be a blowout? jonathan: a polarization in this the nominee isr will win more states than

mcgovern was able to. it is less the number of states, whether it is 36 or 42, and more the issue of is this candidate so toxic that we spent all of next year trying to insulate our down ballot candidates from that person's candidacy and that creates all kinds of machiavelli and problems -- machiavelli an problems. mark: are they tempted to speak out to rally support publicly? jonathan: you do not see this become crown somebody to the person who can stop trump. people are worried about that there is no obvious person to stop him. some chatter about rubio, especially in the senate, but no rush to somebody like rubio.

i will tell you guys, i talked to a few of the candidates, pat toomey, the first-term senator from pennsylvania, will have a tough race given the fact the democrats have won pennsylvania for decades. is, we will see what happens. they do not want to publicly confront this yet. they do not want to antagonize trump. they do not want to embrace them either. can either view tell me the last time a front runner in either party for this long had not picked up one single endorsement from a member of the house or senate? john: i believe it is unprecedented. the basic dynamic you are describing, the establishment's

freaked out. but no one is willing to do anything about it. what do you know about the koch brothers? jonathan: have you guys tested this in polling or focus groups or have you guys thought about even drawing up an ad, the -- it did not suggest they had gone to that point yet. mark: jonathan martin, thank you. with hischarlie rose take on the interview he did with hillary clinton. ♪

>> why do you want to be president? you have had a remarkable life. clinton: i am not doing it to move back and, although it is a wonderful place. for me, i really love this country and i think this will be one of those watershed elections where we either will get the economy to work for everybody or we are going to see increasing inequality and unfairness in a way that we have not seen since the 1920's. towill either figure out how live together despite all of our differences, show respect for people and for human rights, civil rights, gay rights, women's rights, or we will have the balance shift dramatically against the kind of democracy that i believe in.

that wasn: -- john: the great charlie rose and his interview with hillary clinton. it aired last night on his show. thought-provoking, as usual. you have known hillary clinton for a long time. sitting down with her for this interview, which ran for about an hour, what struck you? charlie: you have been watching and listening and learning. [laughter] seems -- there is a theme about american leadership. youked her, does that mean think that america is not being led well now? she did not want to go there. she talked about climate, syria, as where america has to lead.

it seems to me that she and the president are at the same place. interesting about that point, i talked to someone today that knows that arena very well. women are at risk and they will be doing things that have not been done before. do you think the answers she gave you were from the heart and the head or based on political cancellations -- political calculations? charlie: for someone running for president, it is always tinged with political considerations. i think she is more engaged in this interview than she is often an interview. she likes the long form. i have known her for a long time. we have talked about many subjects along the way.

she clearly is a politician and she clearly wants to be president and she clearly is trying to create the narrative that will propel her there. that means some political calculation, how she frames her answers. she will not criticize the president. she will find distinctions. she wants is constituency. does she seem comfortable talking about areas where she disagrees with president obama? charlie: i suspect she is in terms of -- with respect to the transpacific treaty, very different places on that.

clearly, that is a difference. her constituency on the left of the democratic party want her to be where she is. john: she took some heat at the last debate when she talked about how she represented wall 9/11., being connected to she did not seem to back away from what her posture is, wall street is part of new york and i represented those folks. charlie: so did barack obama. when he ran for president, he had a lot of friends on wall street and silicon valley. did she vote in the senate different from other people who were where she was? i doubt it. seems she is feeling pretty comfortable with where she is in this race. if she felt more threatened about bernie sanders, she might

be trying to do more distancing, trying to be more cautious. for her to be as embracing wall street the way she did, it strikes me she is feeling very confident. acknowledgings she was a new york senator and she had dealings with wall street. the question that bernie sanders and others want to raise, are you a tool of wall street? do they have on -- do they have undue influence on you? john: but you agree with me that she seems confident right now? charlie: i could not have said it better. here is another attempt at a charlie rose-style question. what do you wonder about her now? criticizedonce got because i said we did not really

know a lot about barack obama. my friend rush limbaugh jumped all over that for about five years. she has moved to the left. i am not sure -- i think she is and has been mostly a centrist politician most of her life, as has her husband. the thing i most wonder about is what his role will be, this consummate politician. most believe there has not been a better politician. we both care about narrative. we understand the importance of narrative. you think she now has a story to tell, a compelling story to tell? charlie: i don't.

i do not know what that narrative is. she may know, but i do not know yet what that narrative is. -- iarrative she would say asked her why are you running for president, is it history? do you want to be the first female president? she said, no, it had to do with other things. and i believe her. i think she wants to be president because she can do things. i think the narrative is , trying to do something about the divide in washington, number one. secondly, i think it is about the middle class. all of us in political journalism no that we have a real problem -- political journalism know that we have a real problem with what has happened to the middle class in america.

john: charlie rose, thank you. we will be right back. ♪

john: details on that mass shooting and san bernardino, california, are still coming in. go tore details, bloombergpolitics.com. mark: we will see you tomorrow, qs for watching. sayonara. ♪

emily: i am emily chang and you are watching "bloomberg west." police are searching for one or more gunmen believed to be responsible for a mass shooting at a social services center and san bernardino, california.

at least 14 people are dead, 14 others wounded. the police chief spoke moments ago. >> information will be the most reliable is that the suspects have fled, potentially in a dark colored suv. we do not have any identification on what the suspects -- under the suspects are. if thisolice are unsure was an act of terrorism but they believe the shooter came repaired, dressed in military style gear. it comes less than a week after three people were killed at a planned parenthood clinic in colorado springs. president obama condemned what he called a pattern of mass shooting. president obama: we should come together at every level of rare asnt to make these opposed to normal. we should never think this