>> from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. charlie: george osborne is here. the house of commons authorized airstrikes in syria. nation --ess the addressed the nation after the attack in san bernardino. the president said he would draw on american power to combat isis. europe is facing threats.

a man was charged with attempted murder at a london underground station. the police is treating the attack is a terrorist incident. david cameron is going to put united kingdom european membership to referendum. these are issues on worn faces as the number to -- osborne faces as the number two man. george: it is good to be back. charlie: how do you see where we are, at this time? you have san bernardino, what happened in paris, a series of policy intions a europe. sympathy.ere is huge this is part of a pattern.

attacks,rchestrating inspiring, as is the case in the united states. ult thatmurderous c is a threat to the way of life. if you want some good news and bad news. the good news is that there is a coalition with other countries we do not always agree with, like russia, that will prosecute a campaign against organization and eliminate that. we need to work together on the andlefield, in cyberspace, schoolsommunities and

to make sure the poisonous ideology does not create a breeding ground for this. vote to did you have a authorize airstrikes? george: the answer is, yes. would it have an as decisive? i am not sure. thehouse of commons made decision to stay out of the syrian conflict. charlie: this was one they were preparing to bomb syria because of gas. george: we drew a redline because aside used chemical weapons -- assad used chemical weapons. that was, for me, a terrible moment. it was a bad decision and not one that i supported. i think, for me, what is significant about the decision in the house of commons last

week was that it was not just military support for the efforts to degrade isis on the battle will of syria -- battlefield of syria, but it also signals that britain has the means to defend itself and project values and the political will to do so. it is a significant moment. charlie: how do you stop the radicalization process on the part of the husband and wife in san bernardino? .eorge: it is a massive task there is the islamist ideology that creates a culture of events -- of grievance and talks about violence. it needs to be tackled. there has been, in too many quarters, a willingness to turn a blind eye over the ideology.

it in ourtolerate mosques, schools, colleges, universities. important.t is there is having else we need to do and it is a lively debate in america. we have to give security forces the powers to intercept communications between those who wish us ill. this country, under the constitution and rule of law, it has always given those who defend us a rights to intercept telephoneisten to calls. there have been proper protections and warrants. we have ultimately had the power to intercept them. charlie: what will you say to companies that encrypt? george: these companies are

exciting and they have created thousands of jobs and new industries that did not exist before. they have changed all of our lives for the better. these companies are not villains. this technology and the encryption causes this problem that you cannot intercept communications between people you suspect are going to do harm. it can be terrorism, child abuse, organized crime. now, i do not think a civilized country can accept channels adjudication where it cannot access it. we are not at that stage yet. we do at a stage where not want to have to go to that. it is not acceptable. we would rather do it on a basis of corporations with relationships with these top companies. i do not want to name names.

wonderfuldeveloped technology as a general power for good in the world. let's make sure it is not used for evil. tell me what the strategy is? the general strategy is to do not physical space to isis by making sure the leadership is killed and the forces are pushed back. cooperatione, in with forces on the ground, on financing.t, with i will be back in new york next week and we will deny the terrorists financing.

ideologydenying the that has gone unchallenged for too long. charlie: how long do you think there will be a move on mosul? george: the good news is that the territory that is controlled isil has been reduced by 30%. mosul is an objective. i do not want us to have a false view of this. ultimately, this will be a decision that will lay with the commanders on the ground. degradethe airstrikes the leadership of isis. beenirstrikes have effective and there have been successful strikes against the

leadership, including with the man who calls himself jihadi executed american and british on television. he is dead. drones. things,es can degrade like the financial resources of isis. you have seen the authorization to take action on the oil fields under isis control. most effectively, in coordination with the horses on the ground, they do not have to aqi,estern, they can be ir coordinated action can push isis. of course, we need to find a resolution to the syrian civil war. we need to reconstruct the country.

we need to remove the poison of the ideology. start is place to chilling terrorist leadership well taken the fight to us. -- is killing terrorist leadership who have taken the fight to us. one thing we agree on is that i so is a threat to us all. il is a threat to us all. start where we agree. we are already cooperating. american, british, russian pilots fly in the same airspace. there is a deacon econfliction taking place handled by the military and air traffic controllers of the coalition and the russian military done informally.

avoid tragic misunderstandings. charlie: what is your position on this? assad candon't think be part of a lasting solution. charlie: no one does. george: a lot of people will surround the table and tell you why everything is going from bad to worse. i want to present the optimistic it sure that the russians say we are not getting rid of this today. we are not in favor of a transition. assad shouldaray go and we have accepted that it does not need to happen today. i suggest there is something to work with.

it -- to work with. it is difficult to imagine a situation in syria that the not just involve the american. isiseafeatn you without a change in the government? george: are you going to create conditions where other forms of extremism in merger do not emerge? you are not. you are going to have a regime there that brutalizes the people. they are not going to come back, if they think they will be brutalized again. a lasting solution to extremism a change ofry is leadership at the top. we are not proposing debathification or saying the entire syrian government needs

to go. that is an example of learning from the lessons of iraq. assad cannot be part of it. charlie: his family and closest lieutenants? george: this is part of the discussion. in vienna.talks you have russia, saudi arabia. it is not always easy. if you do not have them all involved in the discussion, it is difficult. again, the areas where people than you more numerous might imagine. charlie: turning to the european union, tell me about the speech madethe minister that was

in the house of commons. were you there? george: yes. charlie: he is the son of a radical left-wing politician. he is a foreign affairs spokesperson. they have gone hard left and they are antiwar. they say they are the center of the party. george: we currently occupy the political center of the british politics. he was in the job before the labor leader was turned. he used the opportunity to make a case for airstrikes and supporting david cameron. airstrikes.wanted george: he led with this and the

speech,s, through the which was remarkable. with the house of commons, they will speak with the leaders sitting next to them. he talked about the international history of the left fighting franco, confronting hitler, and how it has been labor that joined nato. making aecifically center-left appeal. we could have won the vote without labor. by having some labor support, we are able to say that this is not just the view of the british government. this is the broader view of the political spectrum and the house of commons. in terms of the message, it was helpful. charlie: here is the famous

speech and what we were talking about. >> it has been argued that the airstrikes achieve nothing. not so. the military capacity and freedom of movement put under pressure. ask the kurds. of course the airstrikes will not defeat isis. they make a difference. timeare giving them a hard and it makes it more difficult for them to expand their territory. charlie: you are asking them to continue the membership. george: yes. to british people are going remain in the european union. europe a better deal for so they create more jobs and

that britain, which is not in the euro and is not part of the common borders arrangements, is against.iminated the good news is, speaking today , the european union got back to ofand proposed a number things we put on the table as a way forward. there is to go station to be done. we are going to be ready to fight for the best national interests in the referendum. charlie: the outcome will be what? george: let's have the negotiation first. i think we will get a good deal. the people will want to remain in the union. we have to have a deal that works for britain. charlie: here is a piece in the

wall street journal. there is a case that you have to have a strong economy to have a strong government that can pull the national security responsibilities and function the way it wants to with investment in people, opportunity, and providing quality of life opportunities. i would make the broader argument that i am part of a foot of code generation and i have been through a great recession. in the united states and britain, it caused our countries and be in on themselves wary of the cost of not intervening. you have a strong economy and you have risks you have to deal with. we have a plan to get rid of the

deficits and we will pay our way in the word -- in the world. faster and itwing enables us to have national security. we signed up to a new set of defense commitments with aircraft carriers, submarines, and so on. through a vote at the house of commons, we have shown a political will to protect and project values. we have gotten a mojo -- we have gotten our mojo back and we're the only country in the world onting a nato commitment defense expenditures and international development. andre supporting our allies

we use soft power to say that we are not what to leave problems to others and we are going to help solve the problems of the world to make sure our western values are held and projected. is this the end of british austerity? if you look at what happened in britain, the state was consuming 40%. it will be 36% by the time the plans are complete. for 50 years, including -- we should not have to choose and

do not have to choose public services and defense. my whole argument is that national security and public ofvices are the flip side sound public finances and economic security. charlie: do you think you can make the argument that the not,rity and programs have in any way, diminished the ability for the government to take care of the poor and make who areugh people receiving benefits are no longer receiving the benefits? george: i believe the opposite. when the public finances fail, the people who suffer are the poorest in the company. sound economics is the most progressive. charlie: the poor are better off? george: they are better off in

the economy with jobs that can sustain itself. public finance is can be funded and do not go through spans of feast and famine. look at what we have done. we are undertaking radical education reforms and we have just announced prison reform. it is deeply unfashionable. we are taking old prisons in the middle of the city's that are not suitable and are not really fit and we are shutting the prisons down. we just closed one of the largest and we're closing the victorian prisons down and building new ones. i'm putting over one billion pounds to build these prisons.

we are conservative and there are plenty of conservative itements that do not think is public policy. i think that conservatives can be progressive. in starting points remain unchanged and questionable. the fiscal surplus and the government should not borrow to invest. it is impossible to understand why such a rule makes sense. the problem is, with not running a surplus, you are moving for 8-9 years. when are you going to run the surplus? i do not know when the next shock is coming in.

coming.y be shocks the british national debt has been impacted by the recession and the public finances. and itey are fixing for whateverready the world throws at us. your government and the chinese government, what does that suggest? george: we are a democracy and they are not. this chinese government represents over one billion people. power is emerging

comfortable with the international system. sure. to make charlie: we want to make sure of the designation around the world. george: if the outlet is wanting the currency as part of a basket of currency, it is a great place. suggestedome people it is the end of a special relationship. is a middleave it and security level, culturally and economically. charlie: not to be replaced by china. george: we want to be a partner for them. let's be clear that the source

of the elimination of poverty in the world is china. i want to make sure that continues and it does not cause great problems. the countries helped created partners. let's help them on a journey to become richer citizens. thethe blind to all disagreements. andot have a conversation not partner in the world would be a huge mistake. charlie: george osborne is the chancellor and the first secretary of state. back in a moment. stay with us.

is one of thebald great modernists of the 20th century. he came to prominence during the early days of the renaissance and is known as a radical interpreter of urban culture. archibald is the first survey of

his paintings and it is on view at the museum in new york. richard powell joins us now. -- at duke university -- he is a professor at duke university. ago.ars before the show even existed. motley --ra old archibald motley was inspired i the urban and african american life. urban and african american life. scenetextualize, american painting, portraiture, the harlem renaissance, all of those categories. charlie: he stood tall in each.

guest: i would say so. charlie: there has not been a retrospective on him in 20 years. guest: the last big show was at the chicago museum in the 1990's. the idea at the nasher was that this was a good time to look at him again and this was an important moment to think about him and his work, given the changes in the art world, given the changes and that there are a lot of artists that are interested in satire, irony, humor, provocation. that. fits into all of charlie: what do you mean by "jazz-age?" guest: it is a code for reference. the 1920's and 1930's were moments where americans and the

world were inspired and moved by expressinion. black moderns a moment when african-american culture took the imagination and the artwork fit in to the ascetic. charlie: how was he influenced by chicago? guest: chicago was one of the most exciting places in the century.th unlike new york, it had infusions of people from the mississippi delta and people from eastern europe and southern europe. there was a huge migration of .eople from all over the world it is a place where they had meatpacking and industrial

business. african-americans were entrepreneurial during that time. modernist ideas and art. works,u look at these you wonder if they could have been painted in the 1920's or 1930's. he has a quality, when he is heing to invoke neon, where creates a glow that circles the figures. i do not know any artist who does that. was ae: what he painted reflection of the urban culture. guest: yes. in a celebratory way and in challenging aspects.

he was not afraid to tap into the things that make up the city , the celebratory and the problematic. charlie: he was a portrait artist. guest: some of my favorites are his portraits. they capture a likeness and a kind of the inner spirit of the subject. charlie: take a look at some of these images and talk about this . the first one is 1933 and this is a portrait. guest: he has just come back from paris. can tell. he was a good catholic and a lot of new orleans catholics came to chicago. you see the crucifix. he has his palette and his colors are laid out elegantly. this was a highly constructed

and it speaks to all aspects of his identity. in particular, the right, where we have a greco-roman statue, figure, aa classical woman, speaking of industry and imagination. this portrait he is painting, a nude of mixed racial ancestry. it is hard to tell if she is a painting or if she is crawling out of the campus. -- canvas. charlie: what do you think of the cross? guest: there were a lot of black blackegs, present -- catholics, present company included. they had a formal relationship

and it was not easy being andrracial in the 1920's 1930's. her family was estranged. portrait shows her at the height of his talent and career and she is wearing a fox b oa. she is a woman of success and connected to a prominent artist. "a new portrait of my wife." charlie: it speaks to modernity. i have described this in conjunction with a movement in germany about photographic accuracy and the undercurrent of

disease. one feels this in the portrait of edith. you can see paris. he said that this was a continental image. charlie: you have the dutch seascape. andt: he was color struck preoccupied with interracial mixtures, and legacy of louisiana. people andxed-raised he is continuing the fascination in this portrait. i would add that this is a axed-race woman who is seductress. nude.t the headless maqle there is a subliminal message about the power of her feminine

wiles. 1929.e: next, guest: he was a roman catholic and he was fascinated with the sanctified church of people who came from the mississippi delta to the organized religion. they opened up churches in storefronts and garages. this reflects that and it is an expressive experience. met makes this stand out for is the prominence of the women in the sanctified church, unlike the organized religion. women played prominent roles. next, we have cafe b lues. guest: you will see this.

it is iconic for the era. the irony is that it was not painted in harlem or chicago. it was painted in paris. club that wass a patronized by everybody. charlie: how long was he in paris? guest: a year. guggenheim and he loved it. had him diary that talking about working by day and partying by night. guest: this is a year he spent in paris. it is great that we have identified these locations. and itk this is a cafe shows people drinking and the characters outdoors and indoors.

he really made his home that year in paris and, by the end of the year, when the foundation asked if you want to extend his stay, he said that he wanted to come back. religion inting 1948. a later time. isst: the house in the back 350. this may be autobiographical. there is a little boy sitting on the porch and looking at all the activity going on. old men, young women, street singers, vance of church people and he was talented at capturing the african-american committee in chicago. you went there at night and it

was like daytime because the neon lights and the people filling the streets. "hotie: the next is rhythm." guest: you can see that he is in his 1970's and he still has the chops. this is not the jazz age. not the louis armstrong age. of a modhe jazz age jamal. -- ahmad urban a sense of using energy and energies of jazz and syncopation. translates into shapes and patterns that will speak of the energy. charlie: congratulations. say hello to my friends. is on displayey

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no clinical studies. these are difficult to get. charlie: what is the difficulty? guest: clinical studies are long and require a lot of budgets and many people. there are confounding facts and a clinical study is a little difficult. some people talk about the antioxidant factor. guest: it might be a reason why coffee is good for health. diet, it is the number one contributor of antioxidants. the substances that create the antioxidantsare and there are natural antioxidants in coffee that combine to make a strong

antioxidant effect. charlie: take me from the bea n to the cup. an is grown.eing is arabica is the best quality. robusta is the lower grade. year and younce a can process the crop with the beany where the coffee drives in the sun. or, wash it and it ferments. the coffee is process, you have to take care. you can damage the quality of the plant by mismanaging the economic practices. the is why we created

university of coffee to teach growers better quality. the coffee has been processed and exported. we had to import. charlie: 20 countries? looking for the perfect blend question mark -- blend? guest: illy has one blend. the best blend can only be one. it is a blend of mine made for illy by growers who have been india, andguatemala, many others. we received all the blends and the beans and we store them.

we have to buy them immediately after the crop to make sure the best selection has been made for us. we must buy immediately. we get the coffee and we roast. roasting is exclusive. arenow that the aromas generated during roasting. people do not know that. the flavors that are present in green coffee have nothing to do with the final flavor. the quality is originated with the bean. charlie: america is coffee-drinking. one coffeetthe number market in the world. it is growing and there is a value and an increase in the

, which iscup consumed interesting. when you took over the company as the ceo, there were fewer countries. guest: correct. we are now in 100 and it became global. charlie: that was under your initiative question mark -- initiative? charlie: we operate together -- guest: we operate together and it was something i executed with my team. charlie: what has starbucks done? guest: they brought quality coffee to the americans. wasre the arrival, it impossible to get a decent cup of coffee out of home. there were no places to drink

coffee and the idea of the fe was good for getting access to quality and it helps the consumer discover. charlie: you talk about high-end and not luxury. luxury, because coffee is inclusive and everybody should be able to afford a good cup of coffee. it is not something that you can make exclusive. charlie: has the mission changed since your grandfather founded the company? we are still pursuing the dream of offering the greatest coffee constantly by implementing new technologies and initiatives. it is a challenging mission we the three pillars.

the best coffee nature can provide with the best technology and beauty. and we coffee equipment produce our own coffee machines. charlie: how do you expect to grow? guest: we are specialized in the market and we have a business offer thee we can customers all the services they training, consultants, equipment. charlie: thank you for coming. guest: a great pleasure.

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