john: i'm john heilemann. mark: and i mark halperin. and with all due respect to "time magazine," nailed it. john: on our show tonight, trump and time magazine snubs trump. but first, the people for trump, and there are a lot of them. according to a new poll, is played to temporarily ban all muslims from entering the united states is popular with the

republicans who are going to take the party's presidential nominee. we polled more than 600 likely voters run the country and asks them a simple question, do you agree? overall, more than one third of each party said they agree. when you look at the party breakdowns, democrats overwhelmingly disagreeing, but 2/3, 65% of republicans say they favor what donald trump is saying should be done to people of muslim faith. only 22% oppose the plan. we also asked the voters if it made them more or less likely to support him. 37% said more likely. that's republicans. 37% of republicans say it makes them more likely to support trump. now, you and i assumed that this will be the kind of result we did when we got the pull, that republicans would overwhelmingly support trump. given that, what kind of impact will that have on the debate that trump has set off?

mark: we asked people to question and then we gave them more information. he hasn't said exactly how long it will be, we said what the critics were saying, so we asked the question and another question, giving them more information and the numbers didn't change. the second thing, 18% of democrats are in favor of this. i'm surprised that number is the at high. this is going to make them back down. they won't reverse their position, but they will get quiet. john: they have the normal partisan split, as this poll shows, and have one person in the party where the position is popular, push it, and everybody else denounces it. mark: and they all find out they

are on the wrong side of the party opinion. john: i think there will be some republicans who pull their punches. it will make the press once again realize that trump, on some issues, unfortunately in this case, is with the people, and the leaders of the party will not be able to change the numbers. mark: he knows how fearful the country is, and the important thing you just said -- trump, there is no way in which with these numbers he will have to corral himself. this is just i can go in further next time. john: on the other side of the aisle, there has been zero hesitation about criticizing the republicans for this proposal, as the heaviest of heavy democratic heavyweights you continue to share their thoughts on his plan. president obama and vice president joe biden, secretary john kerry, and the former secretary of state hillary

clinton in iowa, have always weighed in. president obama: we betray the progress this we don't push back against bigotry. our freedom is bound up in the freedom of others, regardless of what they look like or where they come from, what their last name is, or what faith a practice. >> i know [indiscernible] john kerry: our policies are policies of nondiscrimination, of religious tolerance, and frankly what i'll do with mr. trump is, even though it is contrary, it makes our job of reaching out to people and sharing -- it is that much more complicated and

much more difficult. hillary clinton: you know, he does traffic in prejudice and paranoia. it's not only shameful, it is dangerous. john: somewhere as we said republicans will temper and democrats would keep it up, it is clear, where does the democratic criticism put the future of this issue? mark: in our poll, it said that 37% overall. this is an issue that democrats -- they have already taken the posture of trying to save the republican party is donald trump's party. they can do that here because a lot of the party have denounced him, what they want to make in the face of the republican party. talk about him as much as possible, because they believe it is good for them. john: it allows them to link the parties.

even most of the announcers are saying he should not run. mark: and now they will get quiet. john: but it helps strong because as long as trump is being attacked by leading democrats, he dominates the news, and trump supporters, when they see him get attacked everyday, they are like, that is our guy. that is our guy. mark: and as we discussed yesterday, he has the support of the conservative media echo chamber, and they will continue to do what we said yesterday, which is continue to side with trump. that is in his favor, too. john: they are getting their wildest dream that running against trump may come true. mark: can muslims be expected to find shelter? fox news is rising above the lapdog lair.

two newscorp rouges spoke up, shep smith took on trump directly, and megyn kelly aimed at his media enablers. shep: this is what trump wants, he wants us to talk about him no matter what he is saying. >> exactly right. you may view this as unlawful, and it is. you may consider it fear mongering, racist. he is all of those things. megyn: cnn and msnbc gave him half hour interviews by phone and then reread the exchanges in their entirety later in the day. it was all trump all the time across almost all the media. >> why wasn't he criticized for mocking this disabled reporter, arabs on 9/11 cheering the buildings -- megyn: in the crowning moment was abc news, when barbara walters interviewed trump for this evening's world news tonight.

yes, peter jennings's old post. 10 minutes of trump coverage before they got to the issue of terror. you remember terror? 14 dead in 21 injured in california? shep: he doesn't want to be dragged down the wormhole by some carnival huckster. someone needs to come remind him what this nation is and how we dream, and what our constitution is. he is not representing any of that. he is representing the worst, darkest part of all that is america. john: mark, my question for you, though this is not a media show, why do you think megyn kelly and shep smith are both tone and substance diverging from the rest of the echo chamber? mark: they both have independent streaks, they are licensed to speak out when they want to, and they are looking for a niche. both of them have perfectly good points.

john: i have always like shep smith, and i liked him more today than i ever liked him before. megyn kelly, trump took her on personally. i don't want to say this is about that, but there is a little bit of outrage what she is saying. oh, my god, these news channels doing these incredible things, etc., as if she hasn't done the same thing on certain stories, as if fox doesn't do that all the time. mark: part of the reason this caught her eye, these are not like the rest. on talk radio, most of fox, most of conservative media, trump is doing quite well. john: of course. but it is a credit to fox news to have those voices on their. it is a monolith, but not a total monolith. as we watch for any signs of public support in trump's plan may cause some republican 2016ers to back down, one candidate unlikely to shift gears is the guy who was stocking from supporters most

relentlessly. that would be rafael edward cruz. he refused to criticize trump for this or any of his other provocations, and he again passed up a chance that took place today and will air on morning joe tomorrow. joe: should you be more assertive when donald trump comes out and says he wants to keep more muslims out of the country? senator ted cruz: look, i said i disagree with that proposal. and it is amusing how eager the media is, please attack donald trump. and, you know, my approach to trump has been my approach to every other republican candidate, that i am not interested in personal insult and mudslinging. mark: all the uproar after his proposed ban on monday overshadowed something else he said this week about maybe, probably, if given the chance, taking it to ted cruz.

here is trump talking about other candidates with super pac's. donald: they are corrupt. they are controlling bush, rubio. i will not say anything about ted cruz. he has been nice to me. he has got to hit me first. once he hits me, i promise you -- [laughter] john: mark, cruz-trump they told it is growing increasingly fragile. in the long run, do you think his strategy of going lightly on donald trump will pay off? mark: i think he is happy the detente has lasted. trump -- we have one poll showing that cruz is ahead in iowa. it is clear he has a great organization there. if he is willing to lose iowa, he probably likes the detente. in the end, trump doesn't think you will lose the nomination to cruz.

and i think he would be willing to let it go, unless he decides i will have to stop ted cruz in iowa. john: in the end, the only way this'll pay off as if ted cruz becomes the nominee and donald trump eventually collapses. if that doesn't happen it will not have paid off. right here.ou are iowa is the kink in the plan here. mark: it will be very hard for cruz to strike first. john: if ted cruz wins in iowa, donald trump may regret not having gone after him. if trump beats him there, cruz will regret having taken the approach he has taken. that will be sayonara for ted cruz. mark: right now, they are both happy. they both think they can win, so i think the detente will last. at least a little bit longer. up next, another battle within the party, the ted cruz/marco rubio battle royale, and rahm emanuel in chicago. we are back in 60 seconds.

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john: today, rahm emanuel apologized to chicago in an emotional speech before the city council. he called for reforms in police department after weeks of protest over the fatal shooting of a black teenager by white police officer. mayor rahm emanuel: i take responsibility for what happened, because it happened on my watch. if we are going to fix it, i want you to understand that it is my responsibility. one young man asked me a simple question that gets to the core of what we are talking about. he said, "do you think the police would ever treat you the

way they treat me?" and the answer is no. and that is wrong. and that has to change in the city. that has to come to an end, and end now. no citizen is a second-class citizen in the city of chicago. [applause] mark: his speech sparked even more protests in the windy city, and his approval rating is way down, at 18%. it shows that more than half the city wants him to resign. he has strongly dismissed calls for him to step down. mark, what do you think the chances are that public pressure may compel, force him to change his mind? mark: we have both known him for a long time. he is a very emotional guy and he is also very tough. his resignation would be tantamount to an admission of

failure, beyond which he is currently unable to accept. i think it is a grim situation, and some people find it hard to bring himself back. john: after he first won that job, he was happy as i had ever seen a politician. he was so happy. he now seems crushed by what he has done to himself and what is has happened to him. he is a political realist. and he does two things. if you wait out these controversies, you can survive them. but there is a point where controversy becomes on unsurvivable. i can imagine a scenario where he might have to step down. mark: he has taken on some tough fights. this is a tinderbox, and the anger directed at his personal culpability is

skyhigh. john: your back to a situation in a city with racial tension and that is nothing you want to be your legacy. if you are a health care policy junkie, today was a fantastic the republican race. ben carson unveiled his alternative to obamacare in michigan. his plan includes raising the medicare eligibility age, and some other changes. carly fiorina spoke at a medical center town hall in new hampshire, where she outlined her positions on policy and criticized the federal government for incompetence. she had some harsh words for the insurance and prescription drug industries. john, these are not the first two candidates to lay out their proposals to replace obamacare. how significant is health care going to be as a voting issue? john: not very significant at all. i think they are roughly the same. there is a grab bag of republican proposals.

they have all embraced some version of these. i will say one thing, you got in trouble with carly fiorina by saying that she had been very specific. not specific in this health care proposal, ben carson deserves more credit. mark: increasingly, this is about national security and toughness on immigration, not about any domestic economic issues like health care. i think the candidates will continue to do this, but it is really, really not going to break through. john: you can't differentiate it. they all want to repeal obama care, blah blah blah, but you can't say much distinction between the candidate, and those are issues where you won't get much from by spending time or money on them. mark: i don't think there will be any more major policy addresses coming up, because we are into the holidays. john: certainly not anything but foreign policy. sticking of health care, today, marco rubio's campaign is fundraising off the new york times story that described his efforts to rein in obamacare. he made it harder for insurance companies to keep their premiums

low. and get those government checks. the stories that he has gotten more things done in the senate the ted cruz. in return, cruz has show no reservations in going after his fellow senator. as he did in his interview with fox news. senator ted cruz: i like marco rubio, he is a friend of mine, he is a good guy, but his campaign, the new york times just reported that the campaign is nervous because conservatives are united behind our campaign. polling came out this week, that has the rubio campaign very concerned. what they are doing is, number one, launching false attack ads, and two, they want to change the subject. because, remember, marco rubio joined with chuck schumer and barack obama in proposing a massive amnesty plan that included giving barack obama more authority to allow in syrian refugees with no background checks whatsoever. that is a real problem given the threat of isis, so of course

, they will try to attack. john: mark, we have talked about the importance of this cruz /rubio rivalry in the past. at this moment, who has the upper hand? mark: rubio no doubt has upper hand, but if you look at fundraising and electoral support, position in the polls, cruz has more momentum right now, and he is putting himself on the national security stuff. rubio picks up support of a big republican -- but i think right now, cruz has the upper hand overall and in this fight. john: technically speaking, cruz has the upper hand and the momentum, but i think in the long game, rubio continues to impress the establishment, who is going to need to rally behind him. and that consolidation question, he continues to have the strong hot hand, and if you believe that lane has got to consolidate, ted cruz has to

deal with donald trump read marco rubio right now is running roughshod. mark: rubio and his team are showing a toughness and discipline on staying on cruz. why go after cruz? it is tough this and trying to do the contrast. alright. when we come back, we will break down the demographics and other info from that new poll on obama on donald trump's proposal. what they reveal about trump, after this. ♪

mark: more now on our new poll on donald trump. joining us from washington, the managing partner at purple strategies. doug, the headline we talked about at the beginning of the show, 2/3 of republicans approve

of what he is proposing. what strikes you as a significant? doug: what strikes me is that not only did 2/3 support it, but when we give them both sides you find that the support is robust, meeting that deep down there are a lot of people who favor this on republican side. john: doug, when you look at the cross-tasks, educational breakdowns, age breakdowns, was there anything that popped out that you want to talk about? doug: what's interesting is i think a lot of it tracks with what you see in trump supporters as a whole. it is doing better among older voters, among less educated, more downscale voters. it is doing better among white voters, less well among non-white voters. so, in a lot of ways he is tapped into that campaign, a lot of the same themes of support is capitalizing on.

mark: i won't ask you to predict the future, but based on issues like this, when you expect these numbers to stay static, or based on the fact that trump is talking about it and everyone else is against him, is it possible that public opinion will move? because dick cheney and paul ryan say this is bad? doug: i think the question is what they do next. they said yesterday that they haven't seen polling and i'm assuming other polling will come out. if they continue that and you get the conservative part of the republican party, including dick cheney and george w. bush, then maybe you could move opinion on it. but otherwise, i think this just indicates that trump is putting together a coalition that believes a lot of what he says. john: the question about methodology. there is a big debate in the polling community on online polls, of which this is one.

what is it that makes us competent about the reliability of the method you guys used? doug: sure, well, two things. first, if we went with an online methodology, i think we all wanted to get a good, quick look at at what people are thinking. second, we use an opt-in methodology that some have criticized but is representative of the public as a whole. and the general electorate as a whole. and when we take a look at things like favorability, it is right on target with all the other pollings. usher from purple strategies, thanks so much for coming on. we will be right back. ♪

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we will break this. at least momentarily, because there is a new poll that just came in that shows bernie sanders leading hillary clinton by 10 points. he is 50%, she is 40%. here to talk about that poll and probably donald trump, too, is steve mcmahon. and kim alfano and philadelphia. steve, i want to start with you. according to this, bernie sanders up 10 in new hampshire. we saw a poll in iowa that showed bernie sanders behind hillary clinton. is the democratic race tightening as we get closer to the first voting? steve: it may be tightening a little bit. but i think what it is mainly doing is returning to where it was before all of the joe biden speculation. sanders has had a nice lead on hillary clinton in new hampshire. and he has had that lead for quite some time. she had a good debate and bumped

up ahead of him. it is returning to where it was. he has always been strong there because he is from a neighboring state. less strong in iowa. it is a state that requires a lot of organization and a of -- and a lot of campaign activity. kim, i know you are a republican and not a democrat, but what would you tell the bernie sanders campaign? kim: i would be drummed out of the political television makers. i would say exactly what steve just said, get your ground game going. in iowa, it is all ground game. mark: let's go to the republicans, who are the three most likely nominees of your party? kim: the three most likely? i do not see trump actually getting the nomination. i think cruz would be the most conservative guy who has a shot.

i think rubio. i think your sleeper is chris christie. mark: that is an interesting list. tell us the scenario by which donald trump is not the nominee. what happened? play out february, march for us. kim: listen, in iowa, caucus-goers, it is a unique system. you have to get people out to the caucus. trump's supporters are not traditional caucus-goers. step for him to drive to iowa. in new hampshire, he is not that far ahead. if he has a disaster in iowa, comes in second in new hampshire, his bombast and all of his pt barnum showmanship does not matter. because then, the guys that can muster that same passion should move up and take over. john: steve, i see you shaking your head.

casts doubts, are you sitting over there thinking that donald trump is the most likely republican nominee? steve: look at the poll you guys just talked about. everybody in washington and the political establishment is saying donald trump is finished after the stupid, racist muslim remarks. and yet, you look at the poll and 61% of republican leaning caucus attenders agree with that. and 51% strongly agree. ask, who ision you going to take -- somebody recently said, they were trying to explain the trump phenomenon, the person at the rally said, donald trump says things we think, but we do not say. he is saying exactly what we think, what we believe. you saw that again today. there is a huge and troubling number of republicans who are buying the stuff that donald trump is selling. and frankly, if i were a republican, i would be thinking

about becoming a democrat. and by the way, you are welcome. mark: kim, you are shaking your head. kim: do i get your business, steve, if i do that? what you are missing is, his rhetoric is fiery and inspiring a very disgruntled republican party. you are forgetting that iowa elected terry branstad. he is no firebrand. iowa is a very calculating, thoughtful state and while yes, some of these polls are out there, 30% of that vote is not hard-core waiting for endorsement. mark: you are acting like the whole thing for trump is iowa. can you be the nominee even if he does not win iowa? kim: you have to look down the line and take off the over peel of media coverage and polling because i agree, i think the polling is really difficult to count on lately.

since a couple of presidential races ago, actually, if you take that peel off, you have to look at the ground games of people and look at their turnout models. i do not know that trump exists on a really grunty political level. steve: here is what you have to look at. in a multicandidate field, there is no indication that any of these candidates who are clogging it up are going to be going away. 28, 29, 30% wins in a multi-candidate field. it does not just win some, it wins all of them. the question i have for kim and republicans, who is going to stop this guy? he says the most ridiculous, inane things. and his voters applaud and support. the poll.s go back to i have been searching my memory, this is a situation where one presidential candidate is supported by two-thirds of the people in his party. everybody else in his party and everybody in the other party are opposed to it.

can you guys think of a parallel for that situation? dick cheney and hillary clinton say this is bad. they are stumped. steve: i cannot think of a parallel. except perhaps howard dean when he was opposing the iraq war. overwhelmingly opposed by his party, that is the opposite. steve: the people in his own party, like donald trump, supported his position, but the establishment within his party supported the other position. kim: listen -- mark: i think this is an historic moment. you are right. dean was with the democratic people and some of the democratic base, but the republican party was for the war. right? so, it is close.

steve: most democrats were, too. he was running against the grain. john: kim, are you surprised -- does it surprise you -- does it surprise you that two-thirds of the people in your party are for this position? kim: it does not surprise me. john: does it horrify you? does it make you proud? kim: it terrifies me. in a sense, at the same time, i get why trump is appealing. only because it has been so long since we have had a candidate that is unabashedly sticking to his own position hard-core. the problem with trump, he has zero moral compass. he is put forward a position we all disagree with. apparently, he has a figurative feel for what his party wants to hear. if you were advising another republican candidate who had come out and denounced him and

now you saw this poll, what would you tell your candidate to do? kim: keep denouncing him. and i would say, you know, look at what ted cruz is doing. he is no dummy. he has not necessarily denounced him hard-core, what he is saying, i agree with 90% of what he says. if you look at conservatism, the heart of what he is talking about is at the heart of what people are worrying about. if you could be the next candidate down who is sane, take off the 20% of insanity of what trump said and go with the 80% of what he says that does make sense, having stricter laws, finding a better way to vet people. there are five countries at this point who are considered ebola regions. and they can only fly into certain airports. that is protecting america.

that is where people are coming from. john: that is not based on religion. kim: dial it back a little. i'm just saying, diet back. it is based on fear. mark: let's assume bernie sanders falls short. is there any dynamic taking place in the republican nomination fight that should worry hillary clinton? steve: there is a generational thing that goes on with marco rubio that makes him a more attractive candidate than most of the other candidates. on the republican side, there is also the fact that he has a very compelling personal story, which makes him a more attractive candidate. and finally, you know, he was born to cuban parents, which makes him a more interesting story. i do not think she would lose to marco rubio, but he would run the strongest race. he would be the biggest threat. mark: is your party headed towards having a strong nominee based on the dynamics of the nomination? kim: there will be some work to do. mark: that is the correct answer. it seems to me all of the

upamics now, if i were set with hillary clinton in brooklyn, i would be thinking, get some popcorn and a diet coke and watch this thing play. john: let's go back to something kim said earlier. she mentioned ted cruz -- she mentioned chris christie. chris christie is getting a lot of buzz right now. do you think chris christie as a republican nominee would be a challenge to hillary clinton? steve? steve: i do not think he would be as difficult to beat as marco rubio, but he would be more challenging than ted cruz or donald trump. for sure. is, he has toblem go through the evangelical states. the places where a guy like chris christie is not going to do very well because he is far too progressive of a republican for those evangelicals to support. so he is not going anywhere. john: who do you think would be a stronger general election candidate -- marco rubio or chris christie? kim: chris christie -- the "it"

factor in this election is clearly bombast and self-confidence. as much as we do not want to say this is like a high school election, it seems like it is. the specifics are being cast aside. if you say what you believe and you say it bluntly, you are moving ahead. i think rubio does not have that fire. very steve and kim, courageous stance. thank you both. we will be right back about that obviously kinky "time" magazine choice for person of the year. ♪

mark: if you work at "time" magazine, today is like christmas. if you do not work there, today is like the fourth night of hanukkah. anyway, today, time announced their long-awaited person of the year. and the winner is -- not donald trump. if there is anything we know about the republican front runner, he does not like to lose anything. shortly after the news, trump tweeted, they would never pick me. news, theyng the big are picking the person who is ruining germany. gracious. i talked to nancy gibbs and said

while merkel has been in the headlines, this year, she has been in the background. nancy: i would say this is the year she took center stage. fact, having been a very popular leader with approval ratings any leader would envy, this is the year she has taken a hit. because of the stances she has taken, they are unpopular. one thing she has in common with trump is they have both been compared to hitler. in her case, the very strict measures she put in place addressing the greek debt crisis. she has made herself unpopular by doing things that are much riskier. but in her mind, they are absolutely necessary for prosperity. mark: both of us thought "time" should and would pick trump as opposed to angela merkel. after listening to nancy gibbs, were you at all persuaded? john: of course not. she was doing jazz hands.

i love nancy, she is great. but donald trump is entirely right. this is driven by political correctness. in the end, most people, you review the list, they are heroes. that is who they generally pick. they like to put admirable people on the cover. they do not like to put villains, or people of the establishment considers villains. there,d not put trump on even of you probably deserved it. mark: angela merkel, on the euro, on dealing with the refugee crisis, on dealing with isis, she is not even close to her best or most influential year. john: putin had a bigger year this year than she had. and i will say, reviewing the last 20 years, i was shocked to learn there was one worse choice. they said you, meaning all of us, for the persons of the year. that was embarrassing. mark: i am sorry, mr. trump, you did not win.

here is the way you win -- get elected president. choicetime" will have no to put you on the cover. best advice i ever gave donald trump. when we come back, what vice president biden told our colleague margaret about donald trump and how biden feels about missing out on the 2016 campaign trail. that after this. ♪

john: flying back from ukraine, joe biden spent 40 minutes talking on the record with margaret. you can read that interview on bloombergpolitics.com. joining us from washington right now to take us behind the scenes is margaret herself. great to have you here. you talked with the vice president for 40 minutes. which is a nice long chat, by biden's standards, a brief interlude instead of talking. margaret: that is like three questions. john: that is all you get. he told you he has no regrets about deciding not to run for president. and you believe him? margaret: he says he made the right decision and i think that he thinks that is true. but i do think he is very much watching 2016 not only as an observer, who says i care of the country, but still through the lens if he were the candidate or rival to the candidate. i would not say he is 101% at peace, but he is at peace enough. and as he says, i think he knows it was a choice he had to make.

he has come to terms with it now. mark: after his son's death, we saw on television and sometimes firsthand that joe biden was more emotional than usual, and understandably so. maybe part of the reason he did not run is because he was trying to keep things together. where is he now on the emotional side? margaret: yeah, i mean, he is in a much better place than he was six weeks ago. i spent a lot of time with them on the trail in those last couple of months. he was really very vulnerable. he would get caught up in his emotions. the middle of the sentence -- he is not that guy anymore. when he is talking about the future or politics or something concrete, he is almost happy-go-lucky joe biden again. when you talk with him about his son, he is still a very vulnerable man. he will close his eyes, speak

slowly. so that he can have some control over his emotions y. even so, you get the feeling he is moving forward. he has decided he and his family have to move on with their lives. john: as joe biden would say, god bless them. you spent some time talking with biden about trump. you quoted him saying, i do not think there is much chance of that. give us a sense of what do you think biden's view is of the trump phenomenon? what is his general attitude? does he get it, is he befuddled? margaret: i think he thinks it is the perfect mix of a time of fear because what is happening with isis and this sort of section of the republican party that has roots or connections to the tea party movement. there is a segment in america

who is worried about their safety and their economic future, about things that are changing. and that donald trump has tapped into that. what biden told me he believes, he thinks trump is milking this for all that it is worth. but it is a phenomenon that will burn out before the general thetion, possibly before primary. mark: he will not endorse in the election. is that because he wants to remain neutral, or is there something else going on? margaret: he told me this was posture he took in 2008 as well. the whole reason he was flirting with going on, it was because of his belief that hillary clinton had some vulnerability because for ties to wall street.

i think, you know, if he really, really wanted to endorse hillary clinton, he could do that. he said he wants to remain neutral so the party can decide without him weighing in. and i believe that is true and consistent with the positions he has taken in the past. he also made clear inadvertently that he thinks it does not really matter who he endorses. he believes she will have the nomination. john: do you think -- do you have any doubt that if hillary clinton is the nominee, that joe biden will be out there campaigning like crazy? for her next fall? margaret: i have no doubt whatsoever. as much as she wants him to do, unless things take some major turns, i think he will support the nominee. if it is hillary clinton or otherwise. and put all of his art into campaigning for the democrats. john: thanks, god. we will get to see joe biden on the campaign trail, even if he is not a candidate.

we will be right back.

john: you can see us on the television twice a day at 5:00 and 8:00. we are live 24/7 on bloombergpolitics.com. mark: we are taking the show to casablanca -- the white house and washington, d.c.. our guests include rob portman. see you tomorrow. sayonara. ♪

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