announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: jennifer lawrence is here. she is an academy award-winning actress. david edelstein says she is a marvelous comedic and dramatic actress. and she can illuminate struggle and chaos to cultivate inner stillness. this year she concluded her role as aberdeen in the hunger -- katniss every deign in the "hunger games" series. here's is a look at some of her

work the>> my mom is sick, and she's always been a beast. pretty soon the laws going to come and take her house and throws out in the deal like -- field to live like dogs. i volunteer. vor as tribute. >> i believe we have a volunteer. many >> you need to get out of here. go find mom. >> no! >> you are afraid to be alive. you are afraid to live you are a hypocrite and a conformist and a liar. >> i'm afraid i do, son. >>i have a message for president now. you can torture us and bomb us and burn our districts to the ground, but do you see that? fire is catching.

if we burn, you burn with s. charlie: lawrence stars as joy mangano in david e. russell's "joy" opening on christmas day. when you see that, what do you think? >> memories. if? favorite character? >> rosalynn was the most fun. she was so out there. it was really fun. t was also supporting. charlie: you're the lead in this new film. david o. russell says that's saying something big but and

about him as a film maker. do you feel a responsibility? >> yeah. there's logistical responsibilities with leading a big movie. you got to be on time and work hard and work long hours. it is a responsibility. charlie: all this with no acting classes? >> yeah. charlie: what does that snay you can learn? >> i can learn. i mean i've had amazing directors. i've been very fortunate to have unbelievable directors but i don't know, i've always loved it. charlie: what is it, do you think, about you? this has been a remarkable journey. from certainly one of the most highly-paid actors if not the most highly-paid actor in the world. extraordinary reviews and people talking about you. here is donald sulingterland, he said how brilliant that child, jennifer lawrence, i said to somebody earlier today,

change your name to jennifer lawrence olivier. be done with it. just get jennifer away and call her sir. and david o. russell at this show -- >> i've watched jennifer grow up. from a 20-year-old girl at "silver linings playbook." i've watched her have to deal with an enormous amount of attention and all sorts of thungs and remain true to herself and find her voice of be dignity and power. i've watched -- watched her buy her own house for the first time and unpack her own boxes and duct -- conduct herself with dignity and be true to herself. that takes a certain power. charlie: in a sense, the narrative is her narrative as well? >> i felt that. we would never want to do a

biopic. it's about power and maturity. people think it looks like a cake on the outside but on the inside it's struggle. and heart break and it never ends. i have to feel there is enough for me to come to my collaborators and say it's worth irof our time the i -- after -- jennifer says, many i'll do it if you do it. >> he's nice. i understand him. we have a way of planning that probably is one of the most if not the most other than family important relationship in my life the charlie: what is it about the relationship? >> there's an understanding. i mean we both love cinema and we understand each other so well that i feel like both of us can be -- i mean, i can attest to him give me my

greatest performances. he can push me and pull things out of me that i didn't even know were there so i can be my absolute best with him and hopefully i can -- i can inspire him to want to keep -- i don't know -- we, you know, we get along. we have a similar sense of humor, we have fun and we have an enormous amount of respect for each other but really we just have a real, a very deep understanding of each other. charlie: why you? what was it about jennifer that enabled her to achieve this remarkable role? >> i don't know. i "top 10" have the answer to that. -- i don't have the answer to that. i've been so fortunate. it's so giant that i don't feel like i could ever take credit for it or even really ever fully compute it. charlie: how is joy as a different character for you?

she stretches over decades. >> joy is a different side to david and i. we were saying we're growing up a little bit. this is a quieter power. all of david's -- as he said, this is the first time i haven't played crazy for him and also my first time growing with a character. of i've grown with "the hunger games," each movie was different, i was older, but this is the first are movie with four generations playing the same woman. that was a different stretch for me. charlie: but you could understand joy? >> i understand my joy and when i met the real joy mangano i was just so fascinated by her life. when david pitched to me the movie, we weren't planning on doing a biopic. we didn't want to do tharpe with those restrictions. he wanted to have cinematic

freedom and createv freedom and i did, too, i didn't want to feel like i was doing an imitation. i started listening to her obviously when i would see her on tv, i would want to watch or have it on in the background. david would have these really long conversations with her and i would read them or listen to them and her life is so fascinating and when i met her, she has such a unique energy and personality because she's very sweet. she doesn't have any airs. she's very friendly and fun and funny but she's also very quietly powerful. has such a deep, deep patience. and that was really inspiring for me. charlie: but you have the same thing. >> well, thank you. charlie: well, you know that. listen to some of the things you have said, once, "i could try to plan everything and i have of course because i'm controlling but i have watched my career take slape and i love

what it's done. i never could have designed it in a million years." >> that's true. charlie: but there is a sense of wanting to shape and develop. >> of course. that's the scariest part of my job, the gamble of reading a script. which one do you do? who makes it? you never know. you can read an amazing script and hire a director who seems fantastic and then have an amazing co-star and you can be on set and be completely out of control and watch it either fall apart or you can love it and then audiences don't respond. there are certain, there plan ising of a year, you know, if you are going to have this movie come out, what follows that? and then that's the most stressful part of my job. it's a gamble but it's important to me that i do make those decisions. i don't want an agent's career or a lawyer's career. i have an amazing agent and i

do respect his opinion but i would never -- my entire career is dickcate -- dictated by a feeling and i've gone to great lengths to make sure it stays that way. i've shed parts of my team because i don't want more people to say no two -- to. charlie: you trust your gut? >> i do. and sometimes i'm wrong. charlie: when you are wrong, whap happens? >> everything is fine. it happens. in business there's ups and dounlts i would much rather blame myself though. charlie: you made the choice and it turned out to be the wrong choice? >> yeah. charlie: what do you look for in a role? >> nothing. charlie: you let it speak to you? >> yeah. if i hear a story that sounds paling and i read it and sometimes it's very clear. you just can't wait to jump in. you just can't wait to get started. charlie: was that true about

joy? >> no, because there was nothing to read for joy. david just called and said would you like to play the woman who invented the miracle mop? i said sure, and that's it. it was in the middle of the night. i know if he calls me in the mfpbletd night it's going to be good. he's the only person i would answer are in the middle of the night. the only person who is calling that i answer every single time. charlie: you thought it would be good for you? >> yeah, and it doesn't even matter. he could pitch me something horrible. he can find a diamond in is something that's being so overlooked. people can walk over it every day and he can stop and say there is a story here and peel it back. that's what i love about him. but it's not about the outcome of the movie when it comes to david. it's that way with everybody else, but with david ats -- it's the experience on sefment it's what he does for me and

for my, i hate the crord "craft," but it's so important. when i did american hustle i think i only had three weeks off in like two years. it was either time off or do "american hustle," and i did the membership and i'm so glad i did. i strengthened that muscle and was able to do so much more from working with him. approximate i hope are "joy" does well because i think it's fantastic but i don't care. i just remember the experience onset be and it was so important. charlie: what's the experience? help me understand the experience on set. >> sees -- he's a story-teller and he's all about the magic of drama. he is sown touched by everything. it's so pure and i've never met anyone like that. never met anyone in this business professionally like that. and everything's unusual and unorthodox because it's very

pure. he will waste time and shoot -- have to have less time shooting because he wants to stay in my trailer telling me again and again and again the story of joy that i know and the script that i've read again and again until he feels like there is some sort of shift in my eyes where we're on the same page and then we can go to set. charlie: he can see it in your eyes? >> i don't know. i don't know. but that's what's most important for him. charlie: take a look at this scene where joy is trying sell the miracle map -- mop at a k-mart parking lot. >> my did, hi, would you like to try a new snop you can remore of the mop head, throw it in the washing machine. no germs. nope? you want to just try it? it self-wrings. see? o other mop does this.

>> come and try the brand-new mop! it's the mop of the future! >> no, thanks. >> want to try the mop, ladies? >> what's this? >> brand-new mop. >> oh. >> you can wripping it without getting your hands dirty. >> come on, try it. the mop of the future. >> self wringing, huh? >> yes. >> ok. i do like the idea. though i hamente having -- having to touch the mop head after i get done cleaning the bathroom floor. i always think that's disgusting. wow, it really does get all the corners where my sponge mop won't get. all the crannies where my kids spill their juice. >> i really like it.

can we buy approximate -- it? >> take it easy, christy. >> i have a great video on my phone of david cleaning up with the mop, cleaning up slush. are charlie: but it was a magic time, too, when somebody else tried to sell the mop and they couldn't on qvc and she understood, let me do it. >> that's true. that happened. she watched her product debt de -- get destroyed by the spokesmodel and really did convince them to let mer -- her go on. charlie: and there is really nothing you are looking for in a part, it just has to speak to you? >> i guess. charlie: when you saw "hunger games" for the first time? >> i loved the book. i was really excited about that message and that format for the young generation. i thought that was really brilliant and i loved the

character. it was scary because -- charlie: what did you love about the character? strength? >> her strength. i mean and as -- also it's a story about sacrifice. everything that she sacrificed. actually the thing i love most about her now is something that i have to kind of grow into. when i was younger it used to frustrate me how much of a reluctant hero she was. i wanted her to gust -- just get it. then i grew up and i was like no, she understand it. she understands the consequence of war, like any great leader does. charlie: so your first ininstinct was like just get it? >> yeah. great cinematic moment. charlie: i shume -- assume it's called patience. do you have any sense that of now, where you have to try to discipline yourself and be very selective? >> yeah.

i do know i am selective. but there's also, you know, the great stuff happens that can only happen on this schedule. do you do it? do you not do it? i'm an actress. i've got a shelf life at the same time. charlie: how long is that shelf life? >> probably until i start getting crows' feet. i don't know. charlie: but is it changing? you spoke out on pay equity and after the sony hacking. do you believe that because you have the strength that you have, i mean, that this can change? >> you know, i think the road is narrowing and i think it's a huge discussion which is the most important thing we're talking about. and i think some things are changing. i had a friend tell me that she's getting paid the same as her male co-star and she didn't believe that that would have happened a year ago. so that's hope. charlie: what was it about you that made you speak out?

is that this simply is wrong and i therefore have the strength and confidence in myself? in the past i might have thought it and not said it? >> well, i've always known about gender inequality. it wasn't a huge discussion but i had known about this issue and when the sony hack happened and i saw the difference in pay , i spoke out bays knew what led to that. i knew that there was no one to blame but myself. i knew that it wasn't sony's fault. it was what i had done with my own mentality. there's almost a gender guy -- bias that we as women, i can only speak as a woman because i've never been a man but as a woman we almost put this gender bias in ourselves, maybe, possibley. that's why i wanted to open up and say i feel awkward this way, i feel uncomfortable asking for more money, i feel

like a brat, all these words that are only used for women, they don't have those words for males, and if this can help somebody, great. cliff: and you had gained the strength and courage to be able to do it? >> yeah. it's awkward growing up a little bit in the spotlight. i used to just keep my mouth shuttle about everything because my success depends on everybody going to see my movies, not just people who agree with me. people don't always like opinionated actresses. it's scary because you know you could be losing friends or box office tickets. but as i get older and i learn more and have opinions, i go, yeah, but i don't have -- i have just as much of a right to speak and with something like that, with something that's so clearly is unfair, if i don't

use my voice for women who don't have a voice, then what's the point? ♪

charlie: are there other political issues like that that garner your focus? >> um, i mean i'm very politically opinionated. ut it's -- i don't know. it's -- i don't -- i'm still in

the growing process so i don't -- maybe in a year or i don't know when, i'll go yes and i'm prosecuted -- ready to speak about it. or i'll go, no, you know what? i can have my opinion. freedom of speech is slightly different for celebs. we have the freedom to say it but we've got a lot more power behind it. there's a lot more people that will hear it. so before i ever speak i want to make sure that it's fair. i don't know. it's a growing process. i was suffering from growing pains in the press of should i say that? should i not say that? charlie: you want to direct? >> i do want to direct. i'm not ready yet. i didn't mean for that to break. i surprised myself and my publicist. i never meant to say that. but i do want to do it. especially if i am bad at it i wouldn't want to be like, "i'm to direct" and then it sucks.

that would be embarrassing. i do feel ready. i've wanted to direct since i'm 16. i've tried to soak up everything like a spopping from the great directors. and she was very helpful and very sweet and a real comfort because she's a very real, normal person. she's not jaded but nice. just a very nice, normal person and that was comforting because you don't know when you are getting into this. everybody seems so weird. aim going to end up weird? how will i not end up weird? charlie: do most of the people you know end up weird? >> i've got a really good group. hollywood is so smausm it's like high school. so when you find people that aren't weirdose -- weirdos you cling to each other. charlie: but you have a lot of friends as actors >> yeah, i've always gotten along with all my co-stars.

charlie: when did the acting bug bite you? >> i read a script. was 14 -- 14. rm at a random audition. i took it home and read the script and it spoke to me. charlie: and you said i got to be this? >> -- i really just knew. it's the most bizarre thing when i think about it now. it could have been just stubbornness of a 14-year-old. it was a bizarre time being 14 and trying to tell my parent i'm going to move from kentucky to new york and i know it's going to work out. charlie: had you been to new york? >> yeah, my mother and i went on spring break. that's when i got discovered and got script. then i talked about it every day. charlie: could you just feel this be is the way i want to spend my time? >> it was a big overwhelming feeling of weird, just, this is

what i'm meant to do. but there was also such a comfort and understanding and i feet. -- felt i -- i wasn't a bad student because my parents who -- would have ground me but i wasn't very good in school. or i'm just not good at learning that way. i remember looking around at a math class and going, are you guys getting this? i remember reading that snd -- and going i understand that, i'm up. as soon as i moofed way i remember feeling like, i'm not actually dumb, i'm just not a good student big difference. charlie: and some people can take tests and others can't. >> i can't take tests. i also can't audition. charlie: you can't audition? why not? >> because it doesn't feel like acting to me. they just throw pages at you and say "act," and it's weird.

charlie: so how did you become good? working with directors and -- >> yeah, taking it serious. and growing. everything grows with me. charlie: everybody -- everything about you says to me son who has an intuitive sense of how to move forward. >> thank you. charlie: does that resonate with you? >> yeah. i guess. yeah. charlie: an uncommon sense of where i am for, you know, when you were 14. that requires some qualities to be able to say this is what i'm going to do and i'm actually going to moving, bye mother and dad, i'm going to new york city. >> yeah. i've always had a very sense of -- strong sense of once i want it, get it done. it won't leave my mind until it's just done so i end up doing things very quickly and aggressively. even reading. if i start reading a book, i won't stop reading until i

close it. i'll walk and read. i'm very good at walking and readling. charlie: what do you read? >> right now i'm reading a book, "women and nature." it's by melanie griffin and she -- i hope i didn't get that wrong! and she's kind of explaining in a very professorial -- is that even a word? did i just make that up? professorial way of why -- not even in a preachy feminist way, it is feminist but just kind of this is always, this has been our place and this is i didn't -- why and compare that to nature. charlie: are you one of those people clearly in every attitude you have are feminist but don't want to talk about labels? >> i used to be afraid of lableds but i'm not afraid of feminism. the idea of being afraid of

being a feminist, it means that you feel men and women are equal. why on earth would you feel odd saying that? there is no reason. charlie: when "winter's bone" came, how old were you? >> 18. 1 charlie: when you look back, where have been the turning points? >> "winter's bone" was definite willing -- definitely a turning point but like i say, i'm growing with acting. i remember feeling -- really feeling like i am -- yeah, it was a big turning point. i felt more harnessed. i don't know. harnessed. that was a turning point. "silver linings playbook" was clearly a turning point. that's where i met david, who changed my life, i won the ack add may ward, which changed my -- academy -- award which changed my life, and "hunger games" charlie: and when you are on et with robert did i anyo --

de niro, is that -- >> he's a legend and he's also just bob. he's so nice and i've known him for so long. he doesn't act like a living legend. just a nice guy. charlie: david brought out in him, in this conversation we had last night, he loves the sense of detail. nothing to do with a legend, you don't like that or i don't but it has to do with his doing it and doing it well. and beyond. >> he and i are -- he's, like david said, very interested in details and that got 0 me in one scene in "joy" where i really knots -- noticed that. because i rush. that's one thing i have to work on. i'll be like, i think my character would could this but we have got to shoot and so

let's just do this. and bob will never do that. i'm working on it. charlie: when you think about mission college, is that something you want to go back to? >> no. never. eff time go past a school, i think thank god i'm not in school. it's not for me. obviously i respect it. i hope kids don't watch this and go, i want to drop out of school. charlie: well, bill gates dropped out of school. >> and i'm sure young children aren't your demographic. but i had social anxiety. i was always exhausted, think -- looking out the windows, thinking about freedom i always felt herded, like in a herd and i felt stupid much and i've learned so much. i'm very curious. i'm a naturally curious person. i ask a million questions. if i'm curious about something,

i will read about it. it's nothing to do with me not wanting to in school. i love learning. i just don't want sitting in a room many learning about it. well, reading in my room, that's different. charlie: another many film, we're going to skip to where you are confronting bradley cooper, who plays an executive at q.v.c.le. roll roll tape number three. >> i'm in a meeting with our lawyers. what do you think you're doing? >> go home, joy. and watch the numbers roll in on television. make 50,000 mops. borrowing and owing every dollar, including your own. >> it could have been handled better. >> i don't want todd or anyone else to try it. it should be me.

>> we don't have regular people. we have celebs and spokesmodels do the selling. i told you this. >> who showed you the mop? who sold it to you? who taught you how to use it and who convinced you that it was great after you thought it was worthless? >> excuse me. ould you give us a second? charlie: so tell me that scene. you in that scene as an actress. >> um, i don't -- it was -- charlie: you were pissed and you want to walk in there and tell bradley, who had misled you -- >> yeah. you know, shee -- yeah. she put everything, she trusted this person and then when it didn't work out, when the whole floor fell beneath her and she made 50,000 mops and she made -- and his mistake ruined all of it, she was angry but she

also had a goal. an objective. so it wasn't about going out and being -- charlie: did she have greatness in her all along? she knew somewhere deep inside of her that she was special? >> yeah. that's why it was so important for david to includier childhood because she had this magic when she was young that nobody could take away from her and she lost that for 17 years. and then she found it again. charlie: through marriage and job and all that? >> yeah. from burying your own desires. you know, she forfeited her life as just, for the people who she loved. that's why there say scene where i tuck my children in and then i say i feel like i'm in a prison. at first i felt really wrong saying that because i didn't think it made me sound like a very good mother and that worried me but when i watch it i think it's great. because of course she loves her family and she would gladly put

things aside to raise children and be a good wife. but that doesn't mean she doesn't have her own wants and desires. charlie: family is central with david o. russell. daughter, father, former husband -- >> david also has a creation and a gift inside him that takes him months and months away from his family that he has to fulfill and i understand that feeling the charlie: what's the feeling? >> there's -- i love my family. i believe i'll be a mother one day and i will love my children. p but there is an entirely different, i always say there is a part of my heart, part of my brain that belongs solely to david o. russell and that's the creative, the acting, whatever we want to call it. that part. that part of me. whether i'm working with david or not, it's always there.

charlie: it was yours and he helped you find it? >> yeah. charlie: that's a wonderful thing to be able to say. it really settlement if you can not -- can be impacted by someone and be so trusting and have them change your life and give you power -- to live and to be all that you can. >> he's my barry diller. charlie: you mean everybody needs a barry diller and he was yours? >> he was mine. [laughter] ♪

charlie: so where does it go from here for you? do you change anything? or do you simply keep growing? >> i keep growing. i would love to be able to find a way to build and keep growing forward career-wise and be able to control the celeb -- celebrity side of things. that's always a stress of, you just can't control it and i hate being in tabloids, in the press. unfortunate -- and fortunately i'm not too much with you it's a whole different animal. charlie: does anything about how you have experienced this surprise you? in other words, what you have gone through in terms of gaining command of your talent, in terms of the enormous financial success, in terms of whatever power you have to influence cinema, is there anything in learning all that, anything this -- but that

surprised you in that discovery? i mean because the interesting thing for me to talk to you and what makes you so fascinating is the talent that you see on the screen. but at the same time there is a certain innocence and yet a certain power and it seems to it's both artist and also business. >> thank you. charlie: do you believe that? am i right? >> yeah. i've worked very hard to make that true. so thank you. charlie: that it's both? >> thank you. well, because without gaining some sort of control over the business, i lose some control over the creative. which is most important. so i -- charlie: the more you control the business, of -- the more you can give flower to the creative. >> exactly. choorks -- charlie: or give wings to the creative. >> i used to stay out of it, you shall know, i'm app artist.

but this is my business. as my agent sarksse i'm his him client are who calls back -- charlie: who calls him back? >> immediately i return emails and phone calls. charlie: because you want to know what options there are? >> yeah. i've worked very rrd -- hard to build this and many p it's my personal business and i don't understand how people do slack. charlie: i don't either and i'm 100 years older than you are. but your plan -- well, this is so interesting to me. i don't know whether this is some giant plan you have had or whether it is simply being prepared for opportunity? >> it's certainly not a big plan, i don't think. i feel like i'm reacting and things are happening and growing and developing, and making mistakes, very helpful

for that. but also having in mind, this is important for growing up, having in mind who you want to be. i want to be the kind of person that will say that thing that's really hard to say, that's really awkward and dull. one day i want to be able to just kay -- say it and not make a joke or try to be cute. i remember thinking that and not being able to do it and then slowly developing and growing and eventually, and now i say all sords -- sorts of awkward things. charlie: but with complete kfed. >> deadpan. "give me more money." [laughter] cliff: take me into that in terms of the negotiation. this is who i am and -- >> the negotiation is hard. when i wrote that essay i wished to god i have -- could have pushed send and it would have changed everything and now i don't have any more struggles because i just say i want this and this and this. it's not. i was writing about a very real

issue that i have that i still struggle quarterback with. because this business is very personal and especially when you work with people, this industry, it's creative so there are ways you have to bend and go of course i'm not going to get paid on this movie, that's fine. i'm not doing it for money. but what's fair? i don't know what fair is. charlie: do they respond to you with fair? >> who is they? charlie: the people you negotiate it. -- with. >> no, they don't. but hopefully my coyotes -- are my dog's got to hunt. i depend on them to explain to me what's fair. i was trying to -- trying to explain this to someone because it's a very personal thing. it's their job to go out and see how much money can you get and then it's my job to be delicate about that and say let's go in this way. we don't want to go in too demand,we don't want to suffer

from this, we don't want to burn this bridge. there ps a whole -- i'm learning and it's hard and i'm not good at it. definitely not good at it yet. i'm learning more about the business because it's confusing and tricky and you want to do passion projects and say i don't care, pay me what you want. but you don't want to question in your head whether or not the deal is fair. charlie: are david o. russell projects passion projects or money projects? >> they're passion projects. but david and i are -- david is very fair. we have a wonderful relationship and love each other very much but it doesn't affect business at all. we can say chact -- exactly what we mean. charlie: be you can say david, it's not enough, i should be doing this? and he understands that? >> yeah. charlie: how about family, your own family? has this changed at all?

do they revel in their little girl are becoming this very strong woman? >> i think there's a confusion of what to do. i've never once for one second of my life -- i'm so fortunate, i have never wondered if one of my parents or one of my brothers loved me with all their heart and soul and i love them. i think that's, that it's confusing for my parents. my mom lost me when i was 14 to -- so i think there is confusion of where does she fit in? ut never, i mean unwaivering -- unwavering support. i've never felt unloved, unsupported, never felt like -- i know that i can trust my family with absolutely everything. i think that there's just confusion and growing pains. you know, it changed their lives, too, which is sad. i never meant for that to hatch

-- happen. but everyone's ha -- had to move. my brothers have had death 24r5e789s there's things that have come into their lives that are they -- very unfair that have come from my job. chisox want to share another scene. testing joy's business instincts. >> you're in a room and there is a gun on the table and the only other person in the room is an adversary in commerce. only one of you can very -- prevail yet you have protected money.siness and do you pick up the gun, joy? >> that's a very strange question. >> there is nothing strange about this question at all. this is money. do you pick up the gun?

>> i pick up the gun. >> good. i'm going to remember that you said that. when i speak to my lawyer. >> she's unreal. god! charlie: isabella? >> yeah. she gave me stomach cramps in that scene. she was making eye contact and it was like a shot gp. she's made -- she'smazing. charlie: tell me about her character and that scene. >> this whole story is moments in different -- and different turning points for joy. nding this maturity and this power in her that she didn't p recognize. and so this is one of those moments where i believed when doing the scene when she was asked the question, she didn't know or would have even said

no, no way to pick up the gun the charlie: you could see that in your expression at the beginning. >> thank you. and then she finds herself. charlie: within a minute. >> yeah. it happens very quickly. >> what was great, when she came in and did that scene where she does all the technical -- yeah, she -- exactly. it was terrific. i mean i tread but then she did it and did it so well. that's hard just to do it and have the authority and i saw how terrific she was. so that's -- and this movie especially she had so much to -- to do and sometimes she'd get annoyed at him because he would jump in with a line and she said let me finish this. sometimes i can get annoyed too, let me just finish what

we've worked on. charlie: you overprepare first. >> yeah. not that what he's giving us is not good. it is good but we want to -- but what was the question? jennifer, she's great. yeah, she's great. terrific. she has a magic about her. charlie: did david talk to you about this idea that, you know, you're the star of this film and are there's a huge amount of talent around the table but you are the lead of this film. do you talk about that? >> yeah. he says, you know -- charlie: that's -- what's that conversation? >> "it's all you, buddy." it's all up. charlie: can you handle it? >> yeah. we had, you know, different -- david's a sponge. a nonstop sponge. he gets inspired by the most bizarre things. he watched me getting my hair blow dried one time and he said

shovel, a shovel in the cemetery and ran out of my room. as he -- he said, i had moved into a house and was unpacking boxes and i found a box of my childhood things my mom had brought from kentucky and we started going through all this weird things. that inspired hirge the paper things for joy as a child. i don't know. it's always -- it's ongoing. even now. i mean he's going to be writing something and he's got an idea of something now that, you know, i'll tell him a story about my family in italy and he'll divorce, -- he'll go, "that's a movie." he's always going. charlie: in movie history has there been a relationship like that between you and david? has anybody come and said, you know, it's exact lib the way it was with -- >> yes. they're very good, great classic film names that i can't remember. because david is always the one

that says them and i'm always the one that nods 0 next to him. charlie: but it's growing together, right? both feeding off each other and growing together the >> yeah. charlie: which character of all the characters, joy or katniss or ree, who is it that you found most connected to? >> i mean "connected" is a tricky word because -- charlie: choose the right word. tiffany? >> it's -- with r emple e that it was speaking in accent took me to a completely different place and it was so easy and so, i don't know, so centering as soon as i -- i could find her immediately. with tiffany i never found herks ever. charlie: you never found her? >> i never knew what i was

doning and i felt like i was swimming. charlie: did that make it a good performance? >> apparently. charlie: the academy thought so. >> i was like what? i remember sitting in an airport going oh, my god, i'm never going to work again, before the movie had come out and i hadn't seen it. i was always trying to put my finger on her and i couldn't. i could never grasp her. with joy i've, i understand hose -- that kind of growth, and it inspired me. i've never felt the need to relate to a character because -- charlie: but in joy's case, whether it's greatness or something else there is power within her that needs to be released and what -- when it's released it shows what it's about. >> yeah. well, i understood -- charlie: that's a bit of your story, too. >> a little bit or feeling very

sure about this theng and hearing no a million times and going no, it's there and i'm going to make it happen. charlie: so because were you successful so yong -- young, did you never feel no? >> no, i felt no. charlie: i -- you may have been up for roles we don't know about. >> been up for all sorts of things and didn't get them. it didn't bother me. i can honestly say it never affected me. never. charlie: does anything bother you? >> yes. charlie: like what? >> you can't spend so much time thinking -- it's not day to day but every once in a while when your tired and your dferses are down, you just go, does everybody hate me? am i overrated? aim annoying? because a noy myself. no one should be listened to as much as i am. it there are pictures of my -- me everywhere. i'm like how does this not

drive people nuts? so that scares me. charlie: for a moment. >> yeah. and it worries me. i don't know. i -- my personal life doesn't worry me at all. it's just lovely. it hasn't been affected. i have really great friends. charlie: who wouldn't want to be jennifer lawrence? >> who -- somebody with a low threshold for anxiety. [laughter] charlie: there's no anxiety? >> someone's who afraid of cameras. charlie: or looking at pictures of nem -- themselves or reading what they said. >> yeah. oh, god. i recently read an excerpt from my "vogue" article, i did an interview when i was going through a breakup, which i will never do again! charlie: let met just tell you this story. i saw anna wintour two nights ago and said is jennifer lawrence on the cover?

she said yes. i said would you send it to me? she sent it and she said you are going to love it because she's so interesting. she has something to say and she's so interesting. but you are saying they caught you at a moment -- >> well, you know, you say something to a reporter and -- i was very honest. we were just hanging out for a few days and i just felt like i didn't have my defenses up. i didn't have -- and i didn't want them to be up. i was ok with that. i was like, years from now if i read back this article, if i ever do, which i probably won't, that was exactly where i was at that moment in time when i was 25. i was sad, going through a breakup. i'm only refering to one part where i'm like, "i'm lonely every saturday night," because if you say something like that and you see it in print, you're like oh, god, jeez.

charlie: look, what does she have to worry about. she's lonely on saturday night? i don't think so. >> or who cares? i still don't feel bad for you. harlie: p makes $20 million, we're definitely not worried about whether she has somebody on saturday night. >> not even i care! charlie: so you are off to london? >> i start shooting after the new year. doing a space movie. assengers -- "pangs" charlie: and it's expected to do well because europe is all excited about this. >> they are? tchooks because they are excited about space travel. >> oh, they are? you learn something new every day. charlie: thank you for coming here. your performances speak for themselves and "joy" is a great film.

first of all it's an american story and it's about family. what kind of family do you have when your ex-husband and your father are living in the basement with a little curtain separating them? are right? are >> yeah. thank you so much. charlie: jennifer lawrence, thank you for joining us. see you next time. ♪

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