john: cruz once the believers, iand truth once everything, but first the white house wants to eavesdrop. the wall street journal made a blockbuster report, saying the obama administration is spying on friendly world leaders, including benjamin netanyahu, even after the president said he would end that surveillance program. it should make things even more complicated with israel,

especially after the nsa reportedly intercepted during nuclear arms negotiation's. and nuclear, bibi legislators -- was the executive branch spying on congress? a house panel announced they are opening an investigation with toldor marco rubio, who foxnews that "it might be worse than what some people might think." lle, how big is this? nicolle: i think this is godzilla posterity. this could have political ramifications intraparty. it would be interesting to see ,f hillary clinton parts ways goeshether or not ted cruz

with the establishment types and whether they divide among themselves. i think this'll will be a huge ramification for foreign policy and diplomatic relations with israel. but also within each party on the presidential campaign. mark: i totally agree. this is a huge deal, the obama administration seems to be caught doing something that flies directly in the phase of is stated principles and policy. cataclysmic, but it will certainly occupy a lot of airtime. he's going to get it from all sides, people who were critics of spying, people who are friends of israel, people who believe in institutional integrity of the u.s. congress. there will be no price not paid for beating up on the administration, and everyone will turn the ministration into a piñata pretty quick. nicolle: i think that's right.

onto presidential politics. lanes to explore in the republican race. first, the trump lane. he has realized three things -- one, he needs to get on the air with tv ads. two, he needs to challenge his supporters to get out and vote. three, he needs to take down ted cruz in iowa. has the fragile truce unraveled? he is still figuring out how to achieve .3. today in south carolina he tried to do it by making cruz look like a copycat. >> nice guy, but he said -- we will build a lot southern border. whoa. where did that come from, right? -- but i thinky it was on fox he was being interviewed and he said, we are going to build a wall at the southern border. they're all trying to catch up with me, because when i did this

stuff it was very out there. now i'm the one that everybody wants to aspire to. nicolle: remember these words. ted's a nice guy. which represents the most significant development? mark: we will talk more about ted cruz shortly, and there is no doubt that the unraveling of that truce, as you put it, is a huge deal, but there is no question that the biggest deal is if trump makes good on what he is claiming he's going to do with going on the air with big, muscular ad buys. we don't know whether they will be positive. there are some suggestions that they will be mostly on issue, but given his penchant for attacking his rivals, if he unloads millions of dollars on negative ads, that is the big story. nicolle: i disagree. how much more negative can he go? i'm not sure you can capture a trumpian insult in an ad. i think that is a terrible

strategy. i think you should do a tutorial on caucusing in iowa. i think the breaking of the truce with cruz represents the biggest strategic development from his camp. mark: like i said, they are both big developments. amazingly there are still a fair number of voters who are not as attuned to some of his insults and attacks as they might be if they watched cable all day long, but look, there is no question the cruz thing could be a big deal. it will raise a use question if he is going after cruz -- can you restrain himself and not go after trump? now we will shift to the second line, the evangelical lane in the state of iowa. a reported "the national review" says the god-fearing supporters of mike huckabee and rick santorum hate ted cruz so much that they are willing to do almost anything to stop them from winning in the hawkeye state, even if it means backing marco rubio.

santorum, oroday, you may recall was the winner of the 2012 iowa caucus, was asked why he has been calling ted cruz's conservative revocation and question. >> two issues here. one is a libertarian streak that very much used to be a disqualifier within conservative circles. we can fight these issues at the federal level, they need to be dealt with at the state level. this is the 10th amendment argument that you hear a lot of. ron paul used that argument for years ago, and every social says theyroup i know need to send at the federal level and fight for these issues, whether it is marriage or life. rand paul and others have said we will let other states do this. that means if the states want to adopt the same-sex marriage, fine. if they want to adopt polygamy, fine.i don't take that opinion . mark: so you have rick santorum

going after ted cruz, mike huckabee going after ted cruz, so my question to you -- how firm do you think cruz's holders over the evangelical vote? nicolle: i will give this to ted cruz. i think it is incredibly cynical of santorum and huckabee to try and gamein some sort of protest vote against cruz who has done the legwork. when you treat voters like they are dumb enough to vote with someone else as a protest a that usually backfires. he is a clever politician. mark: i think cruz -- his connection is deep in iowa and elsewhere. he has been down in texas the last couple days doing meetings with evangelicals. he's very strongly positioned. but i think it's interesting that a bunch of operatives and

some number of huckabee and santorum voters who aren't convinced that cruz is the real deal, that they might look at rubio, who had previously not been seen as an establishment candidate but also had bought a support, il don't think it will help santorum were huckabee, but this could be good news for marco rubio if you start to peel away that support. nicolle: another interesting melodramatic wrinkle. to the poor, beleaguered establishment lane. a quick psa if you live in miami, you are moving. the bush campaign is sending all of its miami state. also the campaign is canceling its tv ads in iowa and putting them into a ground game. not that there won't be any ads airing in new hampshire. is targetinge" establishment candidates like john kasich over their records

as governors. likened bushkasich to 20th-century relics like the mac arena and betamax. the most sacred forum for political discourse -- twitter asking -- politician john, which of the establishment candidates has the upper hand in that mishmash? let's first know people who don't have the upper hand. is someo say, there sense to what the bush campaign is doing. they could argue that right to rise was always meant to cover while they did stuff on the ground, but there will be not just a width of torpor but a certain with the desperation. among these establishment candidates, with all the fighting going on between

kasich and bush, chris christie is looking stronger every day. nicolle: i agree, and i think that chris christie is very quietly making more moves in iowa than anyone has detected. the talked about his strength in new hampshire and about how he is tailor-made for that state. that i will be watching to see if he is quietly building of some sort of respectable outcome for himself in iowa. if chris christie could get a strong fourth, you are right. there is a chance he did do better in iowa that people would think in that would set him up well for new hampshire. hillary's left turn. look at make a difference with the republicans. and the best of 2015. when we come back in 60 seconds. ♪

>> on average, it takes 300 americans a solid year to make as much money as one top ceo. it is called the wage gap, and republicans will make it worse by lowering taxes for those at the top and letting corporations write their own rules. hillary clinton will work to close the wage gap. equal pay for women to raise income for families, a higher minimum wage, lower taxes for the middle class. she will get the job done for us. >> i'm hillary clinton and i approve this message. nicolle: that was hillary clinton's latest at going up in iowa and new hampshire about inequality, which might be familiar to followers of bernie sanders, who has been singing it longer. is it fair to co-opt his message? john: i think she is in a pretty good position to do that. her lifetime, she referring to

the issue -- not beating up the oligarchy, that this wage gap argument, the notion that social mobility and wage mobility, more opportunity for people on the lower rungs, that is the message she can grab onto, and it takes some of the steam out of sanders's argument further down the spectrum in terms of progressivism. she is a pretty good position to halting their. nicolle: it feels like in 2008 that was an easier task for her. it feels this cycle like she was dragged into this spot, not just by bernie sanders bye-bye elizabeth warren. do you think she is making a fail? john: there is no doubt about the fact that the democratic party has moved further left in the wake of the great recession in the financial crisis. in also was in many respects a better position relative to the democratic electorate. i think she is fine in this area, just because the

mainstream of the democratic party is still basically where hillary is on these issues, and yeah, there are some progressive activists who pine for elizabeth warren, but hillary on policy will be the mainstream of her electorate, and she is showing that in this ad. nicolle: more examples of hillary clinton to the last into bernie territory. one obvious area is on wall street. this is what she told stephen colbert in october. --if you are president- >> yes. [laughter] failing,he banks are to be let them fail? >> yes. [applause] >> under dodd-frank, that is what will happen. we now have stress tests. s on going to impose risk the bank if they engage in risky

behaviors. they have to know, their shareholders have to know, that yes, they will fail. if they are too big to fail, than under my plan and others, they may have to be broken up. but she strong there, did trail bernie sanders for a few months in how to deal with wall street's. it is his favorite line of attack. do you think she is prevailing? markjohn: no. [laughter] john: those are strong words on her part, but she is always going to be seen, and not wrongly, as someone who has a lot of friends on wall street, who takes a lot of money from wall street. not in the way a lot of republicans have, and not the worst of the corporate democrats have, but she will be able to take on bernie sanders with wall street. know of the lease or when she says the things she says. she is saying things she has to say, but if what you care about most is bashing wall street, she will not be a candidate. nicolle: we are going to turn to

tpp. on october 8, she spoke about her concerns about the trade deal on cbs news hour. >> i have said from the very beginning that we have to have a trade agreement that would create good american jobs, raise wages, and advance the national security, and i still believe that is the high bar we have to meet. i have been trying to learn as much as i can about the agreement, but i worried. i am worried about currency manipulation not being part of the agreement. we have lost american jobs to manipulation, to countries particularly in asia. i am worried that the pharmaceutical companies may have more benefits and patients and consumers fewer. nicolle: bernie also went after her with fighting words, calling it a copout when she refused to in.gh

do think she is making ground here or does bernie still have the upper hand? john: we will talk about the general in a little bit -- this is one of the more naked, politically transparent moves. i don't think she can sell -- she is going to get things forever for making this decision, and rightly so. bernie will beep here on this issue for people who care about it. nicolle: he looks angry when he kept getting asked about her finally coming out and opposing it. it was the first time i thought he looked agitated by clintonism, the waiting until a moment of political expedience. amazing.t's i think he looks educated most of the time. [laughter] nicolle: maybe he is melded in my mind with larry david. keystone pipeline -- a big issue for republicans, but it has divided these two. this was the position that hillary announced in university

of iowa. >> i think it is imperative that we look at the keystone pipeline as but i believe it is -- a distraction from the important work we have to do to combat climate change and, unfortunately, from my perspective, one that interferes with our ability to move forward to deal with all the other issues. therefore i oppose it. nicolle: finally. [laughter] nicolle: what did you think about this one? john: again, this is very much like tpp. these are issues were sanders has a point, where he has been principled and steadfast, and she has followed him in order to not allow him to have more purchase with the electorate. she's not going to lose. if she loses the democratic nomination it will not be over these issues. this is the same category for me as tpp. i have a question for you, though. criminal justice is the other issue where hillary is half to

the left to not let bernie have any air. she has done all this stuff, is further to the left than a lot of people thought. what do you think about all of it taken together, and what it might mean for the general election? nicolle: i think this whole bucket of issues are ones that she can finesse. if you accept her shift to the left and just comfort the concerns, i just don't see those voters abandoning her. if she is up against someone like trump, is such -- all the paper cards thrown in the air. i think some of these issues she will be able to defend herself on fire better than the statement she made on isis. i really don't think this is where republicans will go to attack her. john: any issue where i find myself listening to nicolle praising hillary clinton -- nicolle: it was in praise! i just think there is much more

fertile ground in going after her. john: captain of the hillary camp. ♪

john: we are joined now by our .olleague, saw hill cu let's talk about your piece on our website that you just came out with, six factors that could make a difference with the republican race next year. let's start with the first one you list, ted cruz loves the campaign trail. >> john, iwatch to ted cruz in the senate and on the campaign trail. he doesn't like the senate but he loves the campaign trail. other candidates like rubio and kasich is something that they have to do, but rubio loves it. -- but ted cruz loves it.

especially in early voting states, i think that matters for him. nicolle: when he gets a rubio. rubio's eyes are on the november prize. >> i think this is important, because rubio is straddling a fine line, on winning the primary and the general. he is trying to stay between the conservative wing and the establishment wing. he is taking a bunch of conservative positions but also keeping paths to move to the center. from a technical standpoint, it is smart. immigration,like he will talk about border security, but he is open. on abortion, he doesn't want exceptions on abortion but he will support it if he needs to. use walking a fine line and if he wins the nomination, he will win and handling. point is athird

hybrid of your first two points. you say that the difference between cruz and rubio is one of temperament. please explain. >> the big difference between these two are not so much in policy. the big conservative. groups rate themst highly. they both have extremely conservative voting records, and the big differences we've heard is the attitude in temperament. cruz is a scorched earth guy. he has rhetoric about inciting a conservative revolution. rubio is much more gentle in his method. he talks about protecting the american dream. what cruz was trying to do is dominate the conservative wing, rubio wants both. nicolle: your right that the

rest of the islamic state is helping chris christie. >> i think it is. his numbers have gone up. i have seen him at rallies in new hampshire, and his message reminds me a lot of the bush cheney message in 2004. is a dangerous world, i can protect you like nobody else. he doesn't with a unique touch that bush and cheney didn't do. he has the new jersey bravado that tells people he is a tough guy, that he is not going to cower in the face of any threat. but he hasn't empathy there. he tells stories about how people are afraid. he is trying to convey the sense that all politicians try to do, that they understand the voters and they feel their pain interferes. you: your last two points, turn to the inevitable and omnipresent donald trump. the first point you make have to do with trump's base, alienated voters, and his need to get them to show up. >> to me, this is the million-dollar question.

the single most important question i will be looking to, whehter these deeply alienated, mad as hell, conspiratorial people at trump rallies that led him to dominate national polls, whether they show up. you talk to pollsters who don't have any dog in the fight, they will say that this is not the profile of a likely voter. a lot of these people are disaffected from the political process. if you can get them to vote, you can change not only the republican party but the paradigm of american politics. nicolle: if you are watching a d.c., youhington, can hear us on the radio. we will be right back. ♪

♪ nicolle: no one in america does a weird traditions and a proud people of iowa good at the cows

made of butter. it is super weird. but it makes sense that the new senator would want to make her own custom. engine, she hosted an event called the roast and ride. it brought together pork and wentcycles griffin hammond in there to check it out. ♪ >> i am in iowa where they have designed a teacher for out-of-town media. and where the senator has designed an event for bikers and republican presidential hopefuls. who are sometimes one in the same. inauguralan senator's event is called roast and ride, although i would've called it this -- i would love to mount a camera to one of these motorcycles.

this guy is happy to help me out. >> we got here around 9:30 a.m. maybe 400 people now. >> thank you. >> that will be a first for me, getting a police escort on a motorcycle. ♪ ride.t was a great a good route. that's what makes the ride a lot of times, good curves, pretty scenery. ♪ [laughter] >> i love it. i love it. the camouflage shoes. an old iowa girl.

>> that is darling bookie, she is a farmer from south of here. >> iowans want to see the candidates and ask the questions face to face. >> how are you doing? it is not hunting season, is it? >> will be watching on tv. >> thank you. ♪ >> we just got to shake hands with scott walker and i think he is a godly man and it means a lot to me. >> we are cooking enough food for 2000 people. >> the roast and a ride is the conservative replacement of a democratic event that ended last year with the retirement of a senator. 37 -- and this one

has grown with the audience. >> i am having a lot of fun. >> just in the neck of time, students from the nearby university. >> it is a no-brainer to make sure that we took the day off from work. i am looking for to hearing marco rubio and scott walker speak. >> we will make america great again, god bless you. >> up to seven headliners, scott walker is the only one who has not declared his presidential run. toi know a senator who likes ride a hog. >> they get a quick minute on the stage. it is like to be dating. >> some of them i do not know enough about, so we can now compare and make an intelligent decision. then we can vote. ♪

>> i can stand behind any of these candidates. >> a grade. >> whoever can be hillary, that is what it is about. who can beat hillary. >> glittering clouds out -- overhead, people got out quickly after huckabee's speech. the straw poll is just two months away. you will be coming up? >> elia. -- oh, yeah. i would like to see them participate and visit iowa as much as possible. >> we are ready. >> senator, before you go, i have to know -- it did you at least consider: this event -- co nsider calling this event hogs and hogs? >> nokia -- no. >> i would not put that because

hogs is usually for harley davidson. >> that would've been good too. thank you. drive safe. ♪ ernst foroni president, if only they knew that the straw poll was dammed as well the handful of candidates in that piece. axelrod we have david and the obstacle course. ♪

♪ >> as my esteemed and beloved cohost can cooperate, the revolving door between the press

and politics is like a grand terminal. case in point, david axelrod. he started as a reporter and left to become a political consultant and ultimately the message made in for barack obama. now he has returned to the media. to put that in perspective, when he came on the show earlier this year we put together an obstacle course for him. we combined the key elements of his life as an iconic chicagoan, which ruby -- would be titanic a deli sandwiches. about axers,r david axelrod is here to promote his new book, it is called believer, my 40 years in politics. book one will put this the shelf and say this is truly

-- a memoir about the politics of our time, but it is also about your life be a are combining to great things. this is your life and an obstacle course. two great things. >> which my life has been. what do you call this? >> this is a typewriter. i will show you what we will do. do you know how to work one of these? an obstacles course, so we will have to go fast. i will give you a situation and i want you to write a lead. >> ok. wait a second -- mark: i will read it too. the cubs are about the play in the world series. there are accusations of rigging the game in the white sox clubhouse. what is the leadoff? ok. mark: all done?

john: you are no longer a scrappy reporter. mark: get that to me. there you go. >> i don't know if you can read it. i do not have my glasses on. the black socks have once again marred the series. mark: a black socks reference. john: this time you'll write a headline. >> this is why we do not have typewriters anymore. go ahead. mark: donald trump has by the willis tower and it will be renamed again, but nobody knows what the name will be. >> ok. mark: this is professional. no hesitation. john: he just starts. mark: you got it? --says come on donald trump as is, the donald trump's willis

tower. mark: ok. he standard here. -- you stand right here. john: one of the most important institutions in your life is manny's. we do not have that year, so we went to a local deli and got a sandwich. it is also stuff in your book about being defensive about your reputation and having stuff all .ver your pants and shirts the goal is for you to take three bites of this image without getting anything on your close. -- clothes. three real bites. he broke the sandwich in half. john: this is your life. mark: the clock is still moving. john: very impressive. >> i need a tarp.

john: very good. mark: that is very good. we move over to the pictorial part of your life. right over here. we will show you a picture and you is seeing little dialogue here and he will have to respond. john: a situation from your past. mark: here we go. talkback in character. >> oh really? [laughter] we should tell people what we are referring to here. this was a meeting i had with john edwards when i was working with him in 2004, there was a great deal of friction within the campaign and i was in new hampshire with a focus group and they got a message that edwards was in town and wanted to meet with me. this was his opening line and all of it was true except for,

you are still our god -- guy. you are trailer of people. is this the worst clients you had? >> personally, he was decent to me. i never thought of him as a bad guy. john: it was the worst clients you worked for? >> that is a hard question. he forget the pain and it is hard to remember. so, i do not know how to answer that. john: you have a clear answer for he was the worst candidate spouse you worked for? restizabeth edwards, god her soul, was a very hard prison for me to deal with. mark: let's move on. fast-forward. this is the presidential cycle. [laughter] john: what did you say to that guy? lost theappened is we

new hampshire primary, we were , plusht in the last track of the press secretary and i went up to senator obama's room. we knocked on the door because we wanted to share the news with him alone. he came into the hallway and we said, it lookse like we will be a little short. and he said, what happened? john: and you said? >> i said there was a lot of movement in the last day. but i remember him smiling and he leaned against the wall and he said, this is going to go on for a wall, isn't it? it ended up being the longest struggle in american politics. john: here you go. this is a blast from the past.

what would he said to the sky -- what would you say to this guy? >> where did you get that dark mustache? the thing looks like an inch worm on my lip. mark: this had the title of the hatchet man. john: how did you get the title of hatchet man? >> the subtitle was what her, he looks like an unmade bed, said his mother. john: when we come back, our chat with one of the best comedians ever to post -- host a white house correspondents dinner, seth meyers. ♪

♪ ofolle: there are all sorts important primaries, including the late-night primary care at

one late-night host had a distinct advantage because he happens to be from new hampshire. that would be said myers. seth: you look great. your hair looks great. i say that because sometimes i picture your hair, sometimes i picture it different. this is how i usually picture it. you ran briefly in 2000. years later and the republican party has moved to the right. >> i am like the adult on the stage. seth: what is the adult drink now? you have been critical of the donald trump campaign so far, are you surprised he is doing so well? my initial impression -- seth: apparently not. >> everything about me, for when i am on your show. >> you are from new hampshire? seth: i am.

>> people there take there is possibility certainly. >> new hampshire is lovely this time of year. and i will tell you, you are a major celebrity there. seth: it is a very small stay. john: the pride of new hampshire. the man from manchester. we have no idea what city you are from, but we know that he was one of the most important universities, northwestern. thank you for coming. i want to start with new hampshire trivia. seth: great. john: we will see how well you know your stay. seth: state fruit -- and the snowball. john: pumpkin. state insect? seth: black fly. john: the ladybug. what is the state sport? seth: hockey. john: skiing. i have a serious question.

do you think -- new hampshire in an important role politics, do you think that is fair and proper? seth: i think it is foolish for every election the same two states. i would be happy if they rotated it around. i do think people from new hampshire take it seriously. and one of the benefits of a small stay, i think most voters get a chance to meet the candidates in a way you can't in a larger stay. i would not be upset if they switched it up. afteri want to be clear offering the answer, you will not be will come back in that state. mark: were you there when muskie cried? seth: i graduated in 1992 and everything a candidate that year came through. i introduced jerry brown on stage because i was in student council. i got to a plaid shirt instead

of a coat and tie because it was jerry brown. and everybody came through. mark: did he work on campaigns? worked oni never campaign. but that was a nice thing about growing up there, you were aware of politics. john: what do you do to get ready for an interview with the president? seth: you bone up more than you would for somebody in a television show or movie. you want to sound intelligent and you want to project information to the audience, because that is the reason the candidate is on. it is hard, if you ask a candidate in question, they will talk the whole time and less you interrupt them. mark: you have to do the lean in. seth: that is how it went. mark: let me run through some of the candidates you interview. john kasich? seth: he seems like a nice man,

but i do not know the word -- i do not know the electoral college right now if they are looking for a reasonable man. mark: ted cruz? seth: i found him to be an aggressive debater, he was more interesting because he wanted to go back and forth. he likes conflict and that made him an edge is to guess. mark: carly fiorina? seth: she was sharp, but less charismatic than i expected. mark: how so? guest -- talk show .ark: you wanted to be wow'd seth: she had less sparkle. mark: lindsey graham? seth: lindsey graham was all sparkle. up.as 1% and he was loaded you can tell when the plea pan -- preplan the off-the-cuff

joke. mark: what about bernie sanders? seth: he was very laid back. john: we have done some reporting and we are told by sources that you would like to interview vladimir putin. i am going to be vladimir putin. mr. seth meyers am a very good to meet you. before we send you to the labor camp, how-- labor should we go about meeting? ask: mr. vladimir putin, i you questions. right away, you still that away for me. i am not a guest on your show. this is late night with seth meyers, you cannot just take this. john: at this point, i would have a shirt off. seth: ok. mark: being funny is important to get elected. so, jeb bush, was the funniest

thing about him? seth: i would say that it is different now than it was before. it there are so many talk shows and we all enjoy having these people on as guests. saturated.y, it is for all their best efforts, i do not know if anybody will have a moment that will elevate them. mark: hillary on snl. her athat was for breakthrough. one of my biggest snl memories was when sarah palin came on and that was one of the highest-rated shows in a decade. so i think that will be the case when donald trump goes on. rap. did his nicolle: i love that. we will be right back. ♪

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