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john: i'm john heilemann. mark: and i'm mark halperin. and "with all due respect march, you don't need a bracket to see all the madness. it is a mad, mad, mad world of their. hello from our san francisco bureau. another big tuesday primary extravaganza tomorrow. some may call it super. five states are voting. at stake, lots of delegates and big batches of momentum. over the past 72 hours, protesters at donald trump's event have collided with his supporters in chicago, st. louis, and dayton.
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that has become not just the main story but the dominant story of all the campaigns in both parties. .ere's a recap of the weekend from "the circus." >> donald trump was interrupted at a rally in missouri. police say there were 32 people arrested in st. louis. another trump event is coming up in chicago. >> there are hundreds, maybe even thousands, of protesters on hand. security does not have a handle on the situation here. tonight's rally will be postponed until another day. thank you very much --
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please go in peace. >> this is becoming violent. there is pushing and shoving going on inside this arena. it is total chaos. donald trump joins me on the phone. mr. trump, you believe you haven't done anything to create a tone with this kind of violence. >> i don't take responsibility. nobody has been hurt. mark: do you regret saying any of those things about punching protesters? >> no, i don't regret it at all. i will say we have had tremendous success with people. the popularity we have in the rallies -- it's --
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mark: just for clarification, you have no regrets about anything you have said? great support, and i think we did a good job tonight. a lot of people are giving us a lot of credit. >> before we begin, i want to say a few words about what happened in chicago last night. a donald trump has created toxic environment. >> the encouragement of violence and aggression is not only wrong , but dangerous. >> donald trump has got to be loud and clear and tell his supporters that violence at rallies is not what america is about and to end it. >> at this moment, i intend to
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support the republican nominee, but it is getting harder every day. trump, i don'td ask people in the audience to punch someone in the face. the president -- i have to do it myself. i know it's not -- [shouting] and to think i had such an easy life. what do i need this for? mark: today in hickory, north carolina, he appeared with his best friend and supporter, chris christie, insisting that the coverage of the violence at his rallies was getting born out of proportion. >> to know how many people have been hurt? basically none. other than i guess maybe
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somebody got hit once or something, but there is no violence. we go and these things are so incredible. it's a movement and we love each other and we will do so well. i'm a peaceloving person, folks. [cheering] >> we love peace. mark: at another trump and then later in the day, sarah palin blamed the protesters and the ream" media.area >> what we don't have time for is the petty stuff going on with these "protestors." mark: amazing how much this is dominating every piece of coverage for the year. is trump helped or hurt by the events of the last three or four days? john: i don't know whether any of this will hurt him in terms of his supporters.
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that i don't know. to the extent that there is an anti-truck movement, that this is a galvanizing moment, there are many republicans who thought he would be a disaster in the general election. there were many who thought he would split the party, ruin the republican party. i think a lot of establishment republicans watching tv on friday see how he has reacted, not only not apologizing, but in someways inciting things to a greater degree. i think it will galvanize the antitrust movement. they may not be able to stop him, but if there is a way to stop him, we don't want chicago 1968 in cleveland this summer. we don't want a nominee who will lose the general election but spur this kind of violence on the streets. mark: i think it will make him for john kasich to win ohio, and it will make it
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more likely for the party to take the nomination away from him. john: i agree. for more casual viewers, and for the establishment, they already didn't want trump, but there is a sense of urgency now in the voice of establishment republicans that was not there before, having seen the utter chaos and the way in which trump is not backing away -- mark: it will cause some people to turn to ted cruz, if it gets down to that. trump behaved over the weekend, in' his phoners, with no finesse. he said i bear no responsibility. that worry some people. john: i know i just heard the bell, but he has suggested that his supporters go to sanders rally and cause trouble. he talked about how we might take a bill from the guy who sucker punched a protester. those are ugly words.
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that's the wrong thing to do. republican opponents are still saying he is at least partly to blame. we have been talking at all of them. john kasich that he created a toxic atmosphere and lamented that his kids are watching the campaign. marco rubio says he is stoking voters anger for political game. ted cruz says he will still vote for the republican nominee, he told the press on sunday that his party has created an environment that only encourages nastiness. paul ryan said that candidates must accept responsibility for conflicts of their campaign events. mark, my question for you, of the three republican candidates challenging trump, who's dealing with this in the right way, not just in terms of the ethical right but in terms of ways that might give that edge? mark: kasich has the best chance to benefit. i don't think marco rubio will find a way to win florida, nt will likely be out. -- and he will likely be out.
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kasich has been relatively consistent. it fits with his brand. john: i agree. i think they have all handled it pretty well. comparatively speaking, cruz potentially benefits more. he's more likely to be the nominee because he has more delegates. cruz has more concerns to assuage. cruz has spoken out strongly. for establishment republicans trying to get comfortable with the idea of ted cruz, he has done a lot this weekend to make them think he has rise to the occasion. mark: this is a volatile situation. it depends on how he does. does trump modulate his behavior, does he change the rules? i don't know why he wouldn't call the man who was punched? when not just call him and say i hope you're ok? not seem to have a fingertip feel for the situation. for the people who are now freaking out, he is not doing
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anything -- mark: he could win every state tomorrow, and there was a chance before that if he swept every state, he could start coasting to the nomination. that will not happen now. this topic of donald trump and the protesters as an easy target for the democrats. in ohio last night, hillary clinton claimed that his rhetoric amounted to "political arson" while bernie sanders pulled the "pathological liar" line. here are some of their comments. >> it's clear that donald trump is running a very cynical campaign, hitting groups of americans against one another. and trafficking in heat fear. worstlaying to our instincts rather than the angels of our better nature. inactually incites violence
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the way he urges his audience on, talking about punching people, offering to pay legal bills. >> mr. trump says he is prepared to pay the legal costs of an individual who sucker punched somebody at a recent event. donaldat means is that trump is literally inciting violence with his supporters. that is an outrage and i would hope that mr. trump tones it down big time and tells his supporters that violence is not acceptable in the american political process. is this a smart fight for bernie sanders and hillary clinton? john: there are too many questions that are easier to answer. let's be clear, they aren't picking a fight. this is a big moment; they are reacting to it in the same way
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republicans reacted, to try and point out that trump is doing something dangerous and wrong. do they get political advantage? sure. the extent to which they make trump look unacceptable is -- they're standing up to him now, and we will see it play out in the general. mark: one of the realities that bernie sanders faces is he has to prove that he can be a stronger general election candidate. he needs to prove to democrats that he can take trump want more effectively than hillary clinton. this is an audition, assuming trump is the nominee. john: it is a rare moment, worth noting as we move on, that we have really seen -- what bernie sanders had to say, what the republican candidates had to say. they all could have said they are interchangeable and their
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and marco rubio. my question for you is what does this mean? what does his decision to go out mean? mark: i suspect he was invited, and he still wants kasich to win ohio. he was rubio to win in florida. i continue to be stunned at the lack of people getting ready to coalesce around kasich. it's possible mitt romney might endorse him. that i still here so little from establishment republicans saying it looks like rubio might lose florida, kasich might win ohio, let's go for kasich. i think there will be some of that, but not nearly as much as he will need to make this a three-way race. john: you and i discussed this extensively. it freaks me out. i fight it -- he's a governor, a successful governor, politically and substantively successful i can't imagine that if you are a governor in republican party -- what choices there?
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marco rubio is almost certainly dead. why are you not already -- mark: the only three people who got in the race were trump, kasich, and cruz -- the whole establishment would be for kasich. john: and john kasich is to moderate -- donald trump is arguing for expanding medicaid, for obamacare. he wants to start a trade war. and don't get me started on electability. john: if you are a republican establishment, deficit reduction and trade -- just assume, as the: polls suggest, that rubio loses and kasich wins. what happens will tell the tale of whether it's a two person or three-person race. but the fact that it is to person is extraordinary. state. an important
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john: new polls suggest that donald trump, barring surprises, will have another super tuesday tomorrow. he's held consistently in florida and north carolina polls, and to a lesser extent misery. -- extent missouri. ted cruz and john kasich are in a tight race for second, but trump has a lead. shows trump is losing to kasich. in theetown boy is up latest poll. at this point, based on everything we know, who on this planet after trump is the second-most likely republican nominee? mark: i could construct the case for why john kasich is, but i'm a simple man, and i look at delegate count. john kasich has very few delegates. ted cruz has a lot more. john: they may have even more
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after tomorrow. mark: and he has a demonstrated ability to raise money. i think that cruz will have a hard time facing up to trump. but i will say, between the two of them, i picked ted cruz as more likely. john: he we'll have more delegates after tonight if he wins. here's the thing. if kasich can't fight his way into a three-way, then it's cruz. i continue to believe, more than you do, that even if cruz doesn't do well, even if trump wins all five, cruz could start winning. and when and if that happens, the answer is obviously cruz. that is a most likely way to stop trump right now. mark: look -- john: what she could do in a three-way as well. mark: one thing we are having to
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learn and repeat over and over is that this race is superfluid and volatile. as much as we have seen violence and conflict building up, some people have sensed that what happened was a game changer. given how donald trump is, what will happen? i don't know. today in california, truck cruz, i say trump wins. john: maybe he has another endorsement. mark: maybe. hillary clinton's messaging conundrum, when we come back. ♪
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mark: after hillary clinton's shocking loss in michigan, her campaign says she would sharpen her economic message. that will be particularly important for the midwestern states, which are voting tomorrow. john, the clinton campaign says she will talk more about her economic message. john: she's doing a little bit. she's tried to respond to the trade front; she had a couple of ads where she has talked about gdp, but she has found herself wandering off into other things that have not allowed her to be as on point as we were given to believe she was going to be after the michigan upset. mark: some of the things that have happened are just the way to be a covers it. she made a mistake about nancy reagan. the trump thing. but it is the most cautionary thing in a while i have seen in her campaign.
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she's talking about the economy in such a mottled way. they're trying to claim her trade position is misunderstood -- no, it is understood all too well. if this is her speaking clearly about her economic agenda, she will have a tougher time winning a general. john: the only copy out i would addhe only caveat i would is that she would get to speak her heart. clinton in 2008 veer to the left when the race got to these states. this is one example of a place where bernie sanders is in a better position relative to the base. he can talk about trade as a full throated protectionist, because he believes that. she cannot go there -- mark: i'm just talking about basic candidate performance. she's in danger of losing some of these primary ies tomorrow.
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her message on the economy is not there. i don't know what to think she is getting done by talking about trade the way she is. john: it's hard for her, because the kinds of things she would say -- all right. here's a huge number. 797. that is the number of delegates at stake tomorrow. polls have been showing hillary clinton with a strong lead in states like florida and north carolina. the race appears to be tightening in the midwest. in illinois, bernie has been trying to use rahm emanuel's unpopularity to his advantage. a we're tracking poll shows him moving ahead. in ohio, a do poll shows clinton's lead shrinking to within the margin of error. lookingestion is where,
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at the five states in play, which of them does sanders have a chance? mark: looks like illinois. may be ohio and missouri. if he won 305, that would be a big deal -- three of five, that would be a big deal. it allows him to go forward and win bigger states. one of five or zero is a tough time for him. john: she's going to win florida by a crushing margin, and north carolina pretty comfortably, which means that she will again come out with a delegate bump. i think sanders can win those three states, but all of them will be close. missouriwin by a lot; is a place he has the best chance of winning for sure, but not by 20 points. he willin in delegates, win in states. he needs -- you are right.
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away in margaritaville. he's doing everything to help his boss, marco rubio in florida tomorrow. good day. give us a sense of what is going on down there. there's a remarkably consistent string of polls showing your boss pretty far behind. why should we not believe those polls? guest: because the polls have been wrong throughout this entire campaign. if the polls were right, hillary clinton would have one last week , but she didn't. here in florida, we've seen polls all over the place. we've seen the race in the single-digit and we know the absentee ballots are very much in our favor. i don't put a lot of stock in the polls at this stage in the race. we feel like we have momentum going into the race and on wednesday, a lot of pollsters will have a lot of explaining to do. give us some examples of
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individual polls were things that characterize all the polls that explain why you are confident that the data you are seeing in public is wrong. are they sampling the wrong people? are they failing to take into account elements that show the race is closer? guest: some of the polls show the race being very close. lothowed marco leading by a and that is consistent with the internal data we have seen in terms of who has already voted and where those votes are. we know there is record voting turnout in counties that are very good for marco and this is a closed primary and not all of the polls take that into account. i doubt many of these polls have spanish speakers doing some of the surveys and that would impact results in a state like florida. there's a lot of factors
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at play and i can tell you on the ground it feels very good for marco. on the air, it feels good for marco and if you look at the , it feels likew we're going to win, so i can't explain the current polls other than to say a lot of pollsters will have egg on their face. rubio says he's finding it increasingly difficult to support the republican nominee if the nominee is trump. that havethings transpired ranging from the various clashes they've had in the debates, the belittlement trump has shown toward your boss, the stuff marco rubio is referring to and trump's role in that, what is it holding him back from saying he would not support donald trump?
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what would donald trump have to do to make marco rubio finally say enough? two words -- hillary clinton. marco rubio doesn't want hillary clinton to be president of the united states. so hesitant tos say he wouldn't support the republican nominee because that by defaultre almost of supporting the democrats and hillary clinton cannot be president of the united states. but mr. trump's statements over the last couple of days especially and when you see what his campaign is doing to america, all of the violence at his events, violence he has not condemned and in some ways has encouraged by urging his supporters to beat people up and say he will cover their legal fees, when you see the impact it's having not just on our party but on our nation, it's getting harder by the day to say you would support him in the general election. understand he doesn't want hillary clinton to be the
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president but i think senator rubio is suggesting trump has been inciting violence at his rallies. that's something hillary clinton has never done and seems to be outside the bounds of what is accepted political behavior. trump have told do for marco rubio to say he's gone too far? .uest: that's a fair question as marco said this weekend, it gets harder by the day to defend saying you would support him in the general election. this is the conundrum we face and the problem facing the republican party. i do get is a question for all republicans and that's why we know donald trump will never be president because he will not win a general election. there are so many republicans who say they will not support him in the general election and that's the problem facing the country. the front runner for the republican nomination is someone who is wholly unacceptable to a majority of republican voters and that is a big problem. mark: if no republican gets a
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majority of the delegates, what should determine who the nominee is? guest: it should be the delegates. how should the delegates decide? guest: right now, i'm 100% focused on florida. i haven't given any thoughts to cleveland. i concede at this moment that there is no candidate on a trajectory to having 1237. the question will become more urgent as we get closer to the convention, but as of now, i'm totally focused on florida and winning those 99 delegates tomorrow. would you respond to the argument that if donald trump has a plurality of delegates, that if you said i have more delegates than anyone else, i don't have the majority, but i have the morality, therefore the will of the people is i should be the nominee. how do you respond to that?
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guest: it takes 50% plus one. that, then it is up to the delegates in cleveland to pick the republican nominee and there is plenty of precedent for this. ,t's not unusual for the party it is not commonplace in modern times, but it isn't unheard of that the delegates would pick the nominee. and it is not always the one who has the plurality. -- i believemples in 1940, they candidate with the third number of delegates ended up emerging as the nominee. who knows what is going to happen this year? a lot of states have yet to vote and we have a long way before we get to cleveland. if we go to cleveland, it will be up to the delegates to decide. john: thank you and good luck tomorrow. up, the former mitt
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john: joining us now is the sun microsystems ceo, scott mcnealy, a longtime silicon valley republican donor. he's not supporting any presidential campaign in this cycle so far. he joins us from down the road apiece. thanks for joining us. scott: i did support carly and i think that extends my long-running streak of not supporting anybody who wins. mark: i stand corrected.
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you supported someone from your industry. but of the remaining candidates in this race, before still in the race, do any of them give you hope that they would be a strong nominee and a strong president? scott: i think any of the four terms ofuperior in ceos, i would say most ceos are a thousand times better than the best politician. in terms of understanding what makes america great. , havinga little biased been on the inside and seeing how the system can work incorrectly and how it can work properly. worried -- it is fascinating to me that when i grew up, socialists was one of the bad things you can call someone and now we have millions of people supporting that. i think integrity and character, honesty and transparency are all be somethingsed to
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we tried to look for in politicians and we don't seem to care anymore. i think there are three reasonable candidates and a huge wildcard. the donald, obviously. john: let's talk about the wildcard. how may people among your friends in silicon valley are trump supporters? scott: none of them overtly. they are out there. i think all of them are in the camp that i am in. we've got raccoons in the attic and who's the most likely to have a chance as opposed to being part of the problem? democrats -- everyone is inching it in the wrong direction, some faster than
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others. maybe someone is very smart and understands that if you tell somebody what you are really going to do -- there's no way i could get elected because i would tell everybody what government sectors i wanted to shut down and would want to get government out of health care and nobody would vote for me. donald is doing quite the opposite. he is pretty negative on immigration. he's an out front protectionist. he doesn't want to reform title -- and title meant. which one of those issues is not a deal killer for you? scott: if i had to pick out of the four donald, maybe, maybe not. he is aggressive enough that he might be able to get something to done.
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getting back to the constitution, the one in line is ted cruz. can he move congress and get it done in congress? does he have enough momentum to get it done? anything is better than what i see on the other side for sure and that is because i believe as a libertarian that your personal financial freedoms and liberties are critical to ensuring you have personal liberties and freedom. that is not what the left is all about. i don't think you end up down the road with personal freedoms and liberty. that's why i'm with anybody on the right. mark: you have some kindred spirit in silicon valley, but there are a lot of liberals out here. general election that saw hillary clinton versus donald trump, how do you think silicon valley elite support would divide? somebody asked me why do people who do so well in a
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capitalist environment want to vote for a socialist set of leadership and there's multiple guesses. some people have told me they want to vote for a more taxalist and progressive and then income equalization strategy because they want to buy off the people so they don't revolt and i find that revolting. thehink you can buy off plebeians out there and i don't think that's great for self-esteem or great for stability and its certainly not good for people to get something they didn't learn. other people are feeling guilty they did so well in my view of that is if you feel guilty about that, give your money away because you are going to be far more effective than the government. mark: you are a keen observer. who do you predict the next
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president of the united states will be? scott: i don't predict the future. my gut is i'm fairly pessimistic because i thought we had the best human on the planet to vote for, one of the greatest humans i've ever had a chance to vote for, mitt romney and he got the buy a second turn barack obama -- second term barack obama. i don't get it. i'm hoping the world's eyes have been opened and that's one of the things donald trump has done. he's gotten a lot more people engaged in the conversation. up next, a reporter covering donald trump who has seen a lot of his rallies up close and personal. katie couric joins us from the campaign trail at these words from our sponsor. ♪
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-- fat pig,g, pet real quotes from donald trump. flatson who is very chested is hard to be a tent. look at that face. what anybody vote for that? she had the height, she had the beauty, she was crazy, but these are minor details. >> if you think america deserves better, vote against donald trump. that's a new ad from the anti-trump super pac called our principles. trump to us now from a event is abc plus correspondent covering the trump campaign. a lot has happened since we checked in with you friday afternoon.
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now we are checking in with you monday. give us a sense of what the tone is like after such an eventful and in some ways ugly 72 hours. : it is as is has always been. it's just as bombastic and aggressive and denying of the violence around it. but it has gotten a lot more intense in the past few days. after we spoke on friday, violence roque out and blood was shed in chicago as protesters and supporters group punches on the floor of an arena donald trump was supposed to take the stage at. after that, secret service surrounded him in dayton, ohio, as someone tried to jump to get donald trump on stage. people were pepper spray in kansas city. there were nativism taunt going on in cleveland and today, we see more efforts to disrupt every trump rally so far today. most interesting thing i am seeing come out of the news the newscoming out of
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cycle is the potential news that north carolina police are looking into filing charges against donald trump for inciting a riot. right now, there are a number of outlets saying they are filing charges and looking into it. some outlets are saying they are not. the reasoning behind that is what happened in a until last week when a 78-year-old man sucker punched a protester who was leaving the arena and afterward, basically threatened to kill him if he saw him again. that man was arrested and on trumphe press, donald said he was considering paying that man's legal bills, looking into paying the attackers legal bills, not the guy who was sucker punched and that is emblematic of the tone of this entire campaign. if you are with us, you are great, if you are not, you are wrong no matter what. whole new level when you
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see the candidate for the presidency of the united states offering to pay the legal bills of someone who threatened to kill another person. trump and john kasich have an interesting relationship. find a way to win ohio, he can and this thing yet on johnck on k-6 -- kasich, he criticized him for watching the golf channel and now msnbc. he gone personal? why no caustic nickname or a new attempt to take him down? katie: that's a good question and i'm not entirely sure why. there were rumors he was looking at potentially running with john kasich. beforeere the rumors things got really tight in ohio but he's not going after him personally and that could be because john kasich is such a popular governor in the state.
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it wouldn't be a good idea to consult the man they like to would not because it work in donald trump's favor. voters seem to like john kasich a lot but they also seem to like donald trump and i think he's going after his record and going for the personal attack to bring voters away on a more substantial level than he had with someone like marco rubio. i think donald trump is good at sensing weakness and he sensed weakness in marco rubio and sensing he is robotic as chris christie called him. with ted cruz, there are the fraud charges and the potential not trustworthy factor. some people say that has resonated with them. john kasich is pretty well-respected and pretty well liked. it might be that he doesn't have
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donald trumpkness can go after, but it is closer than it has been in the past. that is why you see donald trump in ohio tonight. originally they were planning on being in florida but they changed it and are having this rally here. that's an indication of how close it is here and how much donald trump is trying to win this state. being with you for us again. we will be right back with some ideas about what to call tomorrow's primary contest. ♪
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wanted? governor john kasich of ohio, new polling suggesting he's got a small but stable lead in ohio and is proving yet again he is not afraid of donald trump. he's not a deer in headlights and it's going to come in handy. john: on the basis of the polling, it looks like bernie sanders has won this day. people are starting to wake up to the fact that bernie sanders could be a contention in illinois or ohio. by our count, there have been two so-called super tuesday or days that people call super tuesday, but tomorrow is also a tuesday and it looks like it's going to be super. so what should we call this? we decided to ask our friends in local news to help us figure it out. >> good morning, idaho. let's welcome back. it is super tuesday three.
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. >> people are calling it super tuesday three. >> what they call super tuesday three. >> the sprint to super tuesday three. the sprint to super tuesday three. >> the sprint to super tuesday three. >> the sprint to super tuesday part three. mark: just call it a election day. politics.com for an article about how to steal the nomination from trump. coming up, emily chang talks to us. thanks for watching. sayonara.
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military to begin with drawing from syria. he said the pullout is expected to begin tomorrow. announcement comes as peace negotiations resume in geneva. russia possible five and half month air campaign allowed bashar al-assad's army to strengthen his position as head of the talks. syrian kurdish fighters battling islamic state are noting an increase in the number of militants going awol according to the associated press which site kurdish fighters making the claims as coalition forces continue to reclaim territory. another islamic state recruit, a palestinian-american caring a u.s. drivers license surrendered to a military unit today. president obama says he is confident he can make significant progress on foreign policy in the next 10 months. the president says the u.s. will frontsghting isil on all and will work to close the military prison at guantanamo bay. he says he will work to enforce a global climate agreement.
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