♪ >> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: we begin this evening with continuing coverage of the brussels attacks. authorities have begun identifying the suspects in the bombings. two of the bombers were brothers and belgian nationals. the identity of the third has yet to be confirmed. police are searching for one additional suspect. joining me now from brussels is alissa rubin. she is the paris bureau chief for the new york times. she has been reporting on the attacks. i am pleased to have her back on this program. welcome. guest: thank you. charlie: tell me where the investigation is. guest: it appears they have

one of out at this point the bombers was at the airport. and one in the metro station. they are two brothers. they are from one of these districts in brussels that is heavily immigrant. ofy have a long history violent, sort of armed thievery of different kinds. they were joined by other people. what we do not know yet is how many others.

charlie: 13 million hispanics are expected to vote in the 2016 presidential election. as we saw in the contentious primaries, they will not say the same thing. lumping all latinos into one voting block is one of the many myths about them. the latino donor collaborative is striving to provide an accurate portrayal of latinos and the contribution they make in our society.

joining me is sol trujillo, the founder and chairman. he is former ceo of us west. also with me, aida alvarez. she is the chair of the latino community foundation of san francisco and serves on the boards of walmart and hp. she was the first latina to hold a u.s. cabinet position. and henry cisneros, the executive chairman of city view. he served as the 10th secretary of housing and urban development. this is an important conversation. i start with the basic question. hispanicse talk about . some people talk about latinos. give us a guide in how we use which phrase. they are interchangeable. people are used to being called hispanic. some people like to use latino. most people are using a broader phraseology.

what is most important is the people we are talking about are americans, aspiring to be americans. they are part of the core economy. the big story we are here to talk about is essentially what i call the new mainstream economy. --t gets to this issue chaie: you started the latino donor collaborative? guest: it was started by henry and i to look at what was happening, the conversation about latinos in the country, intended to be negative, intended to be a lot of things aat, if you are a parent of young latino, you would say, i do not want to see that on tv. decided we was we would form a nonpartisan group solely focused on what i call the brand.

with facts and data that might be relevant for --ple to understand that what latinos in the united states really are. charlie: what are the myths about latinos? guest: that everyone in the population is unpopulated. ask, how surveys that many are undocumented? people would say half. the truth is 16%. it is 55 million people plus growing to 100 million people. a population that is younger than the average. therefore, household formations yet to come. therefore, homeownership, $1.5mer purchases, trillion worth of spending in the economy. part of our function in being here is to, at this moment in

american life, when so many myths are perpetuated related to latinos, to tell the truth about this community and its role in the american future. myth -- latinos are a drag on the economy? guest: myth. them on theyou put world scale, they are the 11th largest economy in the world. that is not a drag in the economy. they are creating businesses at a faster rate than any other group. 2012, 47% of new growth came from latinos. whereas there was a decline by 2% of businesses by non-latinos. charlie: half of total purchases? new home% of all

mortgages taken out in the last decade were taken out by latino families. that gets to the core of the economy as we start to talk about it. aida mentioned business formations. in the last half decade, 86% of all new business formations in the last half decade were created by latinos. "a" as: is this exhibit to why immigration has been good for the united states? guest: it is part of that story. when people come here, they spend. they get jobs. sometimes with improper social security numbers. they get access. they are paying taxes into a system they do not withdraw from. the other part is the amount of spend. we forget what is happening with spending. this $1.5 trillion of purchasing power is a big deal. michael bloomberg and

rupert murdoch testified before congress a few years back, talking about in other trillion and a half opportunity. charlie: what percentage are born in america? not know the percentage, but at this point, i think the majority are born in the united states. we have a younger than average population. we may have issues in the future, but growth is not going to be one of them. america is going to increase by 100 million. thrust in that is the young latino population. guest: they are the fastest growing sector in the workplace. by 2020, 19% of all workers will be latino. charlie: are they participating in the political process? guest: increasingly. states thisal swing

year will be decided by latino votes. places like colorado, new mexico, arizona, virginia, north carolina. florida, for sure. not to mention traditional voting blocs in california and texas, other places. what we are talking about here because of the youthfulness of the population is the spirit of the future in the united states. the spirit of the future. charlie: meaning that america is always on the frontier? some: absolutely, but americans have lost faith in that future. our best days are behind us. we are destined to be losers. build a wall, deport them. phrases that are becoming common in parlance. it becomes important to define a more optimistic future. latinos in body that. charlie: we are obviously

talking about the trump campaign in resonating with people who feel that america is not great, who are angry. guest: it is broader than that. a lot of people have not understood the realistic dynamic of what is occurring. guest: so much has happened over the last couple of decades. we have had globalization with the automotive industry. we have the entrance of japanese manufacturers, german manufacturers, everyone that has taken market share, which lowers the amount of employed people in the united states for a decade or two. then there was a resurgence that said some of these companies are in places, maybe not in traditional places, but alabama, kentucky. people lost jobs. they are angry, frustrated. the jobs are not where they used to be. charlie: not in the sector they used to be. guest: it has nothing to do with

immigration. well before the notion of immigration or immigrants are taking my job. youth 93% of young latino every year our native-born that are turning 18. let me say that again. there is almost a million latino young people turning 18 every year. 93% are native-born. this idea there is this thing about people coming from somewhere else, we know the last four or five years, there has been net negative migration from the -- mexico. from exitmmigrants go, latin american countries? -- mexico, latin american countries? it is still predominantly

republican. mexican americans, depending on where they live, in texas, somewhat more conservative than california, but tend to be democrats. puerto ricans tend to be democrats. i am a democrat, but i was mayor when president reagan came to visit. he said, latinos are republican . they just do not know it. charlie: because of family values? guest: church and faith, entrepreneurial skills -- these are mainstream american values. the country ought to celebrate it has an immigration population growing with these values. charlie: is reagan right? guest: it is not that they are partisanly becoming republicans, but they are part of the american core. charlie: their values? guest: their values are holding

steady. guest: faith, family, the work ethic, the data of 86% of all new companies formed in the last decade, very entrepreneurial. that is part of the dna of being an american. i have lived around the world, and the one thing that is unique about our country is we know how to innovate. we know how to do the things that create change. that is what is most important in our economy. this is a megatrend within our country that the story has not been told. is the growth of latinos as a percentage of a population as well as the economic contribution to the economy? creating businesses and, therefore, greeting jobs? -- creating jobs? exist?these myths because of media? guest: people are fearful.

fear can be converted to angry. charlie: if latinos gain, they lose? guest: exactly. also, there are people with different last names among us. guest: it is happening in places where you do not expect. , i went to earlier iowa to celebrate the creation of statewide hispanic chamber of commerce. there was arived, paid advertisement in the newspaper saying these strangers , these people, are coming here, they are criminals, disrupting our lives. it was really demonizing mexican americans who were there to fill jobs not being taken. there was an exodus of young people that did not want to do the jobs. it is part of the american narrative on immigration.

charlie: they do jobs that other americans do not want to do? guest: in some ways. but there are many things that are different. this is what the real story is. it is no longer just about immigration. it is what is powering our economy? weak percentage growth. it is something that we can drive faster. the stanford latino entrepreneurship institute did a study. what we saw is that this disproportionate growth created by business formations, the bigger story is businesses were non-latinofast as businesses would be another trillion dollar investment in the economy. latino created businesses. charlie: growing as fast as non-latino businesses? great question, the right

question. access to capital is the problem for any business starting. but there are layers like angel networks, access to venture capital, that they do not have the networks. we are trying to bridge the gap as one of those elements that is not government. it is about private sector looking to make money. the big story is walmart. 90 plus percent of year on year sales growth is due to latinos. charlie: let's look at their sales growth and assume it is a hundred, 90% is latinos? guest: in some markets. that 217,000 of walmart employees identify as latino. probably the biggest private employer of latinos in the country. they are also the customers.

customerrt, the latino is really an important customer they are seeking to continue to attract. it is a big part of their customer base. they recognize the bottom line is this is where the growth is. is americansint need to stop and listen and think carefully. there are facts we have tried to print -- present a sense of. this is a much better future than the alternative future of people who are separated, denigrated, never achieve full potential. this is the right thing for america. in this election season, in this time period, it is wise to take stock. it crazy there is not much conversation about how to grow the american economy? guest: that is the point here.

there is one element we have that is unique versus china, other places. latino growth sector of the population. young, energetic, willing to work. charlie: it is one thing to have with respect to latino communities, but businesses are always supposed to be able to understand what is in its best interests. there should be no discrimination in terms of understanding. when automotive companies see that the growth of their business relies on latinos of driving age. when voters see it, walmart sees it, they are unfortunately drowned out. charlie: tell me where you think the politics are. will latinos vote actively

against donald trump? guest: they are very fearful today. i was talking with latinos at the street level in chicago. every person i visited, the respective of who they were for, they are fearful of donald trump. distinguish between a person who says they will deport 12 million people or work within the system. guest: people are reacting to that. you saw it in the midterm elections. so conversation has been negative. charlie: is the latino vote up for grabs? is oneyes, but there more threshold issue. rapists, killers,

whatever they might be called, people have been silent and they are not standing up and saying, these are contribute in people to our economy. and so what is happening, and i was in denver saturday night at an event of over 17,000 people, and everybody was talking about young people coming out, and they are going out in addition to these registered voters. we have a whole country that is disassembling. this is not about a long-term issue that is a wedge issue. too many people -- charlie: to make it a wedge

issue? henry: it is not in this country's issue. -- country's best interest. absolutely not in their long-term interest. i think latinos will be mobilized. charlie: no party, no interest? so let me close with this, how are you going to deal with this? you come here and you talk to me donor, i mean, is this simply a need for latinos to go out and explain the make is in contribution of the american culture? is bringing the facts in the data to the conversation for everybody and also engaging in a conversation so it is rational to the extent that it can be independent and it becomes very personalized, because we can personalize it in terms of cities, states, and people. henry: and also i would say in

the american tradition, latino people are also increasingly self-determined and self-reliant in improving health care and other subjects. we will not just make a contribution to our own people, but to the country as a whole. it is one of the mega-trends of the future. charlie: this is so intricately tied to america-ness. thank you. it is great to see all of you. back in a moment. stay with us. ♪

♪ charlie: nora ephron was a essayist,lmmaker, novelist, and journalist. she was more than that. friend of this program. she died at the age of 71 after a very private battle with leukemia. her son, jacob, follows her life in a new documentary, "everything is copy: nora ephron, scripted and unscripted ." coming monday on hbo and here's the trailer for the film. writers are cannibal, they really are. if you say anything good and if anything good happens to you, you are in big trouble. [laughter] she was a very smart

filmmaker, writer, reporter, really true writing is impossibly hard. herhen: i wanted to make laugh. it was just like winning an oscar. don't know if people think i am an expert in relationships, but i definitely am. sometimes i wish my husband were dead. merv: sure, sure. jane: nora ephron's first novel, asking,rn" has people "nora, is this your life?" divorce, she cried for six months, but she wrote about it, and she wrote it honey, and in writing it funny, in -- wrote it funny, and writing it funny, she won. that my mother used to say

whenever something happened that was tragic, everything is copy. >> y after being so open about everything else, -- why after being so open about everything else, why would she be so personal? meryl: she achieved a private act. nora: the story of my life. "everything is copy." " islie: "everything is copy available now on hbo, hbo now, and hbo on demand. i welcome back jacob bernstein. thank you for being here. jacob: thank you. charlie: explain the title. jacob: my mother used to say that my grandmother was a screenwriter and she said that everything is copy, and if something didn't happen right or if a boy did like you, her mother used to say, "everything is copy." basically it means what is

tragedy today will be funny tomorrow and it was a way to say get over it because your life has the ability to be a comedy rather than a tragedy. charlie: why do i think that somehow this came to her in talking about her mother's death? jacob: i don't know. it was a thing that her mom had said but when her mom died, when she was on her deathbed, she said to her, take note. charlie: everything is copy. piece of thatte a i believe was an "esquire" and an anthologyut in they put out a few years ago, and that is what she, you know, she really came to believe, at least for a very long time that if you at least found a way to tell your story, you you could control the narrative, and she had a very good sense that the

experiences that you have, you don't want to waste if you are a writer. that wasn't always so easy for the people around her. charlie: this was a film you had to make? after yes, i felt that she died, i wanted to write about her in some way. i also was self-aware enough to know that i wasn't going to be able to write a book about her that wasn't better than any of the books that she had written about herself, and i had seen the bill cunningham documentary. charlie: about bill cunningham? for those of you who don't know, bill come the end -- bill a photographer who had a way to capture stuff that appeared every sunday. jacob: so there had been that and there had been the joan rivers documentary of the valentino documentary, so there was this spate of great cultural documentaries coming out, and it seemed to me that we could make one of those and we could allow

her to be the star of it and i could kind of help narrate her story. died,he summer after she i was in the hamptons at our country house and i realized that the last two essay collections she wrote, "i feel bad about my neck" and "i feel that iut nothing," was knew almost immediately that we could splice pieces of them throughout the film and that she would be able to narrate large portions of it herself. charlie: so was this an opportunity for yourself to share your mother with the larger world or for you, in a sense, to have all of us take a larger journey? jacob: i think both. i have some questions, too, about what it meant to be a writer. i was 33 at that point and i had been doing magazine journalism and at that point, i was still

freelancing for the new york times where i now work -- the "new york times" where i now work. i was looking for something to do and i was interested in how the private and the public had met up for her and then diverge from one another. "tender is the night" about six months before she died. of course, there was its gerald writing about the breakup of his tzgerald writing about the breakup of his marriage and zelda fitzgerald geraldg about -- fitz spiral of this madness, so it seems like we could write this film and make it about her story and also an

exploration about what it means to be a writer and we could share stuff that other people don't always want shared. charlie: how do you explain your mother? jacob: witty, funny, loving, and really tough. charlie: towards herself and everybody else? jacob: that's right. i think she was fantastic at i think in stilling in people both -- instilling in people both a little bit of fear and a desire to want to be with her. she would hand out praise in a way that would make people, you know, to make people try to please her. and she certainly did that with me. charlie: there is a whole series atclips from this show this table of your mother talking. know that you found this richness from her in these interviews? jacob: i do think we knew much

of anything when we started. -- it was ad of somewhat haphazard process, in some ways. i think in documentary film making, you have an archivist who hopefully helps you and then i am reading things of hers and the old clips from "the new york post" and then the "letterman" clips during the breakup of the marriage with my father and right after she had written "heartburn." began to kind of a mass all of this stuff and tried to figure out how little pieces together. it is all roughly chronological, the film, so we had some understanding on how the narrative was going to work and we also knew that having written about the breakup of her marriage to my dad and her ' alcoholism, there was

this question in the ether about why she had chosen to keep her illness as private as she did and that that would also be part of the freedom of writing this movie. charlie: meryl streep spoke to us as well. why did she keep it secret? jacob: i think there was pride and it was stunning. charlie: all of us remember. you couldn't believe it. there wereink considerations both pragmatic and philosophical. the pragmatic ones was that she was a filmmaker at that point and i think if you are writing a book, you can have a table illness and you have a book contract, but if you are writing a film, you can't get insured and things like that. so that was part of it. then the other part of it was, to her, "everything is copy" was a means out of victimhood. what i see on social media of her is "be the heroine of your life, not the victim."

i think "everything is copy" is another version of that. said, "when you slip on the banana peel, people laugh at you, when you tell people that you slip on the banana peel, you become the hero of the joke." how do you tell that story and not become the victim? how do you not become the person that everybody says, "how are you? are you doing ok?" they want to be involved, they want to tell you what doctors are involved, they want you to get an acupuncture. they tell you all of these things that she didn't want to be told what to do. charlie: she wanted to manage herself? jacob: yeah. charlie: when did she tell you? jacob: she told me about six years before she died. charlie: how did she tell you? over for dinner and i believe she was sitting on

a sofa and i was sitting on a chair, in a place where she and my stepfather shared together, and we were scared, but she said, "you know, they've got me on these things that are working." she was on these steroids for a while that blew up or face a little bit and because she had written so much about aging, people had thought that she had had a bad trip to the cosmetic dermatologist, and that was not the case. she was quite good at her cause many dermatology and figuring out about how to get a little tweak here or there without looking like -- charlie: she had gotten a little tweak your there. jacob: exactly. charlie: i want to show a few clips from your documentary. the third is about her talking about getting old. here it is, the third clip on one of her many appearances that nora made on this show at this table.

clip] charlie: is there anything wrong with getting older? nora: is there anything wrong? is there anything right about getting older? charlie: this is just comic fodder for you! nora: no, no, no. i don't know, charlie. i don't think it is that are being older. charlie: but i don't think it has to be bad. nora: you have to know that at some point, it will be. charlie: oh, sure. nora: and sooner rather than later, which is why it is very important to eat your last meal before it actually comes out. charlie: tell that story as to how you came to that conclusion. oh, i know what it was. it was your friend. nora: my good friend, who was dying. charlie: she was trying to it a hot dog.

nora: yes, and to be serious for a moment as they say in the joke, when you are actually going to have your last meal, you either will be too sick to have it or you aren't going to know it is your last meal and you could squander it on something like a tuna melt, and that would be ironic. important, you know, we all play these games at dinner with friends were we go around the table and we say, "this is what i would have for my last meal." and i feel it is important to have that last real -- last mea l -- charlie: today? nora: soon, soon. my last meal idea would be a nathan's hot dog. [laughter] charlie: that is the magic, in part, having thought about everything. what is the best sandwich, what is the best thing to buy, what is the best thing to order at

this restaurant. jacob: yes, and one of the things that i think that was hard about the movie was that she had done that. i think there were a lot of people who thought this was going to be a video tribute when they came in to be interviewed and it got difficult for us about halfway in because we also needed people to go to deeper places. thingthink that the same that made it easier to get itple in the room also made harder for them to talk frankly about her and made it a little uncomfortable. and so part of the project was sort of figuring out how to -- how to get those stories and kind of try to move them into something more. charlie: how did you decide how much of your own self would be in their? -- in there? jacob: part of her realizing that we were better off without it. you know, again -- charlie: that is called editing

yourself. was smarth, and i enough to know that she was the star of the movie and my collaborators of this film, it was never a film that one person could do. charlie: did she find a perfect man for her? jacob: yes, yeah, she did. you know, rob reiner says in the film, here he was writing about wiseguys and people who whacked was harder and that he and she was soft, and that he wrote these lighthearted comedies, what she was a killer. there was a joke that she was a mafia hit woman. one of the things that surprised me about doing this was realizing how many people she whacked as a journalist in her early days and got away with it. au know, now if you write couple of mean things about anymore.ou don't play

you sort of loser access. you know, i think it is one thing if you are covering national security or politics, but even then, it it is very hard to get in the room with somebody that you have swiped at in one way or another and she did it at "the new york post," she wrote this he's after she left about what a horrible newspaper it was, and she wrote about others. charlie: folks at the new york magazine. jacob: yes, and the journalism review about what a bunch of cowards they were. that now, you would be a version of alec baldwin or kanye west. you would be a person that everybody would just -- that would make people laugh forever. she said wasing the thing you have to do in your second marriage is to marry someone who had an unhappy first marriage? and she also said

that the secret to life is to marry and italian. she said that, too. , lighter, not as neurotic, i think. what it she say to you at the end? jacob: i think she was fantastic aspire to do to more with myself that i might have naturally been inclined. charlie: see, that is pure nora. jacob: yeah, i know. saying, it was scary, the answer was, yes, it was why the movie needed to not suck, why it needed to be good. you don't need the talentless child of so-and-so who does a k.g. biography that dita files diefies biography that

the essence. charlie: much success. is on hbo, is copy" hbo now, everything it be a. we leave you today with this clip of nora to quickly adapt to situations. thank you for joining us. here it is. [film clip] charlie: you seem to have this tozing ability to adapt whatever it is, whatever the time is, nora find out whatever she is. nora: well, from your lips. , and i don't know if it is philosophical, what i do know what is happening with my life, and by the way, a lot of women that i know are able to make changes, they take another path, you know, i always quote

that great yogi berra line, if you ever see a fork in the road, take it." so famoushinks it is because it is so dumb, but the truth is, it is very wise, especially for women. you kind of can-do two things at once and then the next thing -- kind of can do two things at once and then the next thing and the next thing. charlie: you call it fluidity? nora: yes, but women who are older are doing what they did 20 or 30 years ago. ♪

mark: "with all due respect" to donald troop and ted cruz, save it for the convention, fellas. ♪ mark: this is going to be the kathleen turner episode. trust me, we will get to trump-cruz in a while. first, we have new numbers from our latest bloomberg politics national poll. our big findings, the key candidates who have seen the most good news are also the two candidates least likely at this point to become their party's nominees. that is bernie sanders and john kasich. on the democratic side, despite his deficit, sanders has closed the pollg