>> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: in politic this is week, the candidates are looking ahead to tuesday's very important wisconsin primary. democrat bernie sanders hopes to extend his sweep from caucuses cruzfourth state and a ted win would slow donald trump's momentum. from "the washington post." there was the business about ted cruz's wife.

the business about his campaign manager and a woman. there was the business about his interview with chris matthews. is this simply taking a toll in terms of trump and his momentum? >> i think absolutely, charlie. he's had many other problems, as we know, and managed to survive them or move past them or put them behind him but i think there's something materially different now in this. for one it is increasing the obstacles he has if he's the republican nominee to win a general election. and that could be important if we get to an open convention in cleveland. the delegates there are going to be concerned about who is the best candidate to run in the fall and the more he has caused himself problems, the more his negatives have gone up with key constituencies in the general election, the more that's going

to be on the minds of the dell fwats in cleveland. so i think we're at a moment in which he's got to find some way to reassure people in his own party that he can be a credible and competitive nominee in november. charlie: why doesn't donald trump realize this? >> well, charlie, you may know him better than i do i think he's a complicated person. i think he thinks he know what is he knows and sometime he is doesn't know what he doesn't know. he operates on instinct. he's never been through anything quite like this before. every time we've seen him get into a jam, his, you know, his reaction is to double down, not to apologize or try to indicate that he's going to ground to kind of learn the mistake or take a lesson from the mistake. so he's an unusual personality in this and if you're donald trump, you say to yourself, well, this has been successful up to now. whatever the smart people or the

elites or my opponents say about the problems i'm having, i keep winning. i keep accumulating delegates. i'm ahead. he takes so much from the status of polls or the state of the dell fwat count and you know, not without some good reason. but i think at this moment, he has to, you know, he has to take stop about what it all means as he go into this final round of primaries. charlie: what was your reaction when he talked about public policy? >> i think if you take the sum total of what he had to say, it's a quite radical departure, from either a republican orthodoxy or a general public policy consensus. there's no reason not to challenge sometimes long-standing consensus on policies but thing he is said about nato, thing he is said about giving japan the opportunity to have nuclear weapons, these are unsettling

statements that are not necessarily grounded in some larger kind of coherent theory of what the foreign policy of the united states should be. he, again, he's operating on instinct as opposed to knowledge and i think that it suggests to a lot of people that he hasn't done the amount of study that you would want in a person who aspires to be the commander in chief. charlie: let's assume he loses for a moment in wisconsin. what does it do for him and what does it do for ted cruzf he's the win her >> wisconsin has shaped up as a very important moment i think in part because of everything that's preceded it with donald trump. this is a moment in which if ted cruz wins and wins pretty comfortably, there'll be at least a psychological impact on the state of the race. donald trump will still have more delegates than anyone else and still be favored to win in new york on april 19, which se next big event but having said

this, i think that this will give people who are determined to try to stop him a greater sense of purpose and probably a greater sense that they may be able to pull it off. if he loses wisconsin, and it's a winner take all state, the statewide, the at large delegates are allocated on the basis of winning the overall vote and congressional district delegates on the basis of winning congressional districts. let's say ted cruz wins the statewide vote and wins most of the congressional districts. donald trump maybe comes out with a few delegates. that makes it more difficult for him to get to the 1,237 he needs to be the nominee on the first ballot and every delegate short of that makes it more difficult if he get into a convention to be able to assemble those delegates. charlie: and for bexar mi sanders and hillary clinton in wisconsin, what are the stakes? >> bernie sanders has had a good

run in caucuses and he has won them by, not just big margins, huge margins. 75-25. and it has given him momentum going into wisconsin, wisconsin is a very good state for him or ought to be. it's an open primary. there is a history of populism and progressivism. we know there's a trong base around the university of wisconsin in madison that should be very strongly for him. but he needs a victory in this to accelerate or perpetuate the momentum he's gotten from the recent caucuses. and then we will go into a very big battle in new york, we haven't seen a big competitive democratic primary in new york since perhaps 1992 or maybe 1988. so this will shape up as a kind of a -- a final battle between the two of them if he comes out of wisconsin with momentum. you know, it's important for him

to be able to claim he has the ability to acquire enough delegates to make this competitive. when you stand back from this, secretary clinton still has a big lead in delegate, particularly given the democratic rules that algate delegates proportionally. she has, as her campaign says a bigger delegate lead than barack obama ever did against her eight years ago and she was never able to overcome that. it doesn't necessarily change the calculus about who is the favorite to win the nomination but it certainly raises continuing questions about why she is not quite able to put him away. charlie: i asked bernie sanders this morning on the "cbs this morning" program, was his success more of a reaction to her than it was enthusiasm for his own campaign? he obviously said it was enthusiasm for his own campaign but there is a bit of that in

his success, isn't it? >> absolutely. everything we see in polling or have seen is that if hillary clinton is the nominee, that the bernie sanders supporters, for the most part, will be quite happy to support her. and to go against whoever is the republican nominee. but there is resistance to hear within the party there is skepticism about whether she is really a real change agent and we know that a lot of bernie sanders people are looking for that. they're looking for somebody who can shake up the status quo and to them, hillary clinton is much more the status quo. so he has passion behind his candidacy in a way she doesn't -- hasn't quite been able to generate yet. charlie: what does donlt trump say to the republican party at this point? he had a meeting with the chairman yesterday, looking, i think, to sort of suggest to try to figure out a way to make him appealing in terms of a general election.

but is it too late to do that if you have so much on the record? in a primary? i once heard bill clinton say, don't do anything in the primaries you'll regret in the general election. >> donald trump hasn't take than advice to heart has he? he seems to have decided he's going to try the opposite and est that case. charlie: i'll prove to bill he's wrong. >> i think he needs to do what i think everybody understands he needs to do he needs to settle down in one way or another he needs to find a way to reassure republicans that -- charlie: how do you do that at this stage? >> as you say, there's so much on the record it's difficult to do it but you know, we are still 3 1/2 months or so from cleveland. there's a look time in this race for him to demonstrate some greater, i don't know what the right word is, gravitas or

temperament. i think it so much goes to the temperament he displays and -- or the lack of temperament he displays whether it's in the interview with chris matthews or at rallies or wherever. i think what republican leaders are looking for at this point is some reassurance that he is not going to put at risk all of the candidates who were running for senate and house and state legislature in november if he's the nominee. but as you say, there's so much history already that's accumulated and so much damage that's been done, it's going to take some real work on his part. charlie: bob gates once said to -- former national security director of defense. he said the great leaders have had a first class temperament. not necessarily a first class mind, though often that too, but they've all had a first class temperament. >> i think that is the key.

the old line, second rate intellect, first rate temperament. and i think it's so important. people know this is a dangerous world. people know we have some very big problems domestically that have resisted solutions from democratic presidents and republican presidents and in a sense that have helped to generate the kind of cynicism toward government in washington that trump has been able to use to fuel his candidacy. and yet when you get into the presidency, people know there are crises that happen. people know that there are risks that come at you and dangerous situations. and i think they want to be reassured that whoever is sitting in the oval office has the kind of temperament that they can rely on to keep the country safe. to look for solutions that are going to affect the whole of the population and particularly the people who need it most. and i think that's part of what

donald trump is going to have to try to do. charlie: always a pleasure, thank you so much. >> charlie, thank you, my pleasure.

arlie: zaha hadid, the world

died at iraqi architect the age of 65 last week. he died of a heart attack at a hospital where she was being treated for bronchitis. another architect said of her, she fought her way through as a woman. she received the profession's highest honor in 2004. she was the first woman to be awarded the british architect's gold medal. she was born in baghdad in 1950. she once said she wanted to be an architect for her entire life. after studying at the architect yurel association in london she started her own practice in 1979. she quickly gained a global reputation for her innovative heoretical works cline colluding the on cardiff bay opera house in wales.

her completed projects include the fire station in germany, the london aquatic center for the 2012 olympic games and the maxi museum in rome. hadid once said of her own work, i don't feel i'm part of the establishment, i'm not outside, i just dangle on the edge. i just do what i do. she appeared on this program many times over the years. here are excerpts from some of those conversations. >> who was it enflunesed you ost? >> >> i was iran, that was tremendously important. you look at the history of modernism, peterizeman was

another inspiration. charlie: why pete her >> i have a tremendous respect for him. he's somebody who, you know, i think struggled also and always reinvented himself. charlie: why do you think you've struggled? is the struggle you had similar to the struggle he had? >> i think it's very different. charlie. because of gender? >> partly. struggle, of us anyone who tries to do something that's not normative, not part of the status quo. charlie: not corporate. >> not corporate. it makes those who survive it very strong. it's an unnecessary struggle. charlie: unnecessary meaning what? >> you spend more time doing things which are not part of designing or doing a project and dealing with other initiative stuff or dealing with city

rules. regulations. charlie: what would you like for people to see as the defining character of your work. >> it's always changing. i liberated certain norms. the idea of labe ration on the ground, it meant a much more fluid organization. and i think that -- the idea of a different kind of order i think allowed us, me, anyway, to think about architecture in a different way. to represent in one way, to give you that seamlessness i think. so the idea that you are bringing an urban life to the nterior of a civic building.

charlie: has this profession for you been worth the strugglele? >> i think so. charlie: think so? >> well, it's not finished. hopefully not. charlie: yeah, but you have -- >> i enjoyed doing what i did. so i know it was difficult but i didn't see it at the time i was doing it as a struggle. charlie: just a process. >> as a process. and i believe it's possible to make these things. o always a goal that you know, eventually we will get it done. charlie: because you are a student of architecture, if i could say these are the -- 10 of the greatest architects, in your judgment, or you would say, i picked for you, charlie, 10 of the best. living and dead. what common quality do you think they might have? >> i think they all dealt in

different ways with space. charlie: that's what a techs do. >> not all architects. charlie: space and light, isn't that what they do? >> they might say they do. charlie: in other words they may say it but they don't. the best know how to deal with space in the most optimal way. >> absolutely. that's what the best do. also you don't set out from the beginning of your life to say, 'm going to deal with space. i think the idea is to make space that those who walk into the space have a different experience. that's the most difficult. charlie: you do want people to experience it. >> i do. because i really think it -- it's about well being. to make you feel good. you ought to be able to live in a nice apartment or small flat or big house and feel good.

you ought to be able to work in a good space. charlie: it ought to maximize looking at art. >> and gives you also, makes you look the way you organize, makes you look beyond your own boundaries. the idea is the interaction between people and the way they operate in space. makes them expand their thinking. >> when they call you an architect of the future, what do they mean? >> it mean it's a surprise. it's unknown. you know. every time we do a project it's unknown. there's no formula. charlie: zaha hadid, dead at 65. charlie: nicole hurd is here,

she's c.e.o. and founded the college surviving corps to help the first generation of low advisors to lege more than 160,000 state of the unions in underserved high school around the country. advisors work to create a college centric culture in the schools they serve. the model has been compared to teach for america or peace corps but with a focus on college advising. i'm pleased to have nicole hurd at the table for the first time. welcome. congratulations. >> thank you. charlie: you're doing great stuff. ow did this come into being? >> there were so many college graduates, they wanted to change the world. and harnessing that was a problem, a crisis in this country. our counselor to student ratio

is 188 to one. so the average student gets 20 minutes with a counselor each year. we have a barrier that's really if i can say this, endangering our democracy. young people are not going off to college, they're not obtaining degrees and our global competitiveness and democracy depend on having educated, bright, amazing young people out there. we're taking the idea of having people who just finished themselves, going to schools where counselors and teachers are trying hard but don't have the ability to help the students, and say, let's hold hands and tell these students, i believe in you. we all have mentors and to give somebody a young person, who says, i look leek youing i talk to you, i came from your community. charlie: did this start when you were at u.v.a.? >> i was at u.v.a. a great

place. and i saw these people applying to teach america and peace corps, and i thought where's at outlet to take these talent. thawsezz -- because these young people have den it. so many of our students don't think they can go to duke or carolina or notre dame. and the idea is, only 3% of students in the top 137 couldn't di-- top 137 colleges in this country are from the bottom economic quarter. 3%. which that means, you know, where's the opportunity? these schools need to be ladders of opportunity. these universities need to be ladders of opportunity system of we need to make sure it's a push-pull. we push all these great young students into these schools and these universities step up and admit them and get the financial aid to make that happen. charlie: you got a huge grant from, what, the jack kent -- >> the jack kent co-foundation to start. we started at u.v.a., got a $10

million invest optometrist go national. spent six years at carolina and picked up all sorts -- six years. charlie: why u.n.c.? >> belief in public education. ers kin bowles was president of the system at the time. he got this immediately. the other person was president friday. your greand friend who i ms. dearly. one of the first group of carolina advisors sitting around a table. president friday came in and they were all talking about why they were doing this. they were like i'm from this part of north carolinaing i'm from the same school, they were saying why they want to do this work. bill friday afterwards had a smile like only he had, he said you know what you are? you're messengers of hope. it was a beautiful moment. that's what they are, messengers of hope. charlie: you got the great, incubating at u.n.c. what's the next step? >> we spread across the country. california, texas, michigan,

rhode island, massachusetts, new york, we've had great success here in new york, n.y.u. is in our flagship chapter here in new york. south bronx we've had kids go to college. charlie: how do you measure success? >> two ways. how many are going to college, and are they actually finishing? are we giving the financial aid so they have a meaningful credential. we're ok whether it's a cre endrble -- credential, vocational school, community college, we want everyone to have the best match and fit to have educational opportunity in that ladder of opportunity that's the american dream. if we don't do this, the american dream is in jeopardy. charlie: you have also said, you can't say that enough if you don't do this, the american dream is jeopardy. and in a sense of our leadership. >> these are our future leaders. think about the story of so many of us. i think about the current chair of the board of duke a first

generation graduate. one of our great champions is melanie hobson, an amazing woman you know, first generation, low income, underrepresented student herself. and you know, she came to talk to the advisors. not only does she light up the room because she has a similar story but she told them all to be brave. i think we need to tell each other to be brave. she motivates me every day when i think about, i have to go raise some dollar, i think about it. two things. one that democracy we need to protect and two, we have to be brave. charlie: i'm a first generation graduate. >> we're trying to find the next charlie rose or melanie hobson to lead the country. it's a privilege to wake up every morning to do this charlie: you say data driven. >> i'm aed for the at heart, i have a ph.d. in religious studies. we actually measure matriculation rates over time. we look at how we bring in

financial aid. $76 million of financial aid to the students we served last year. we also try to measure things like, is this going to help our economy? if somebody has a college education, first it changes the trajectory of their family because their brothers, sisters, their own children will go to college. it increases the tax base and access to health care. it also increases civic participation. there's all these things we can measure because -- to get a real return on investment. the other thing is, we're cost effective. it's about $154 per student to serve them. why not invest in our kids this way? charlie: when you look at all you have done, what haven't you done? >> what we haven't done is put a microphone on this issue. it's great to be in the 523 schools and serve 160,000 students. but there are 1.4 million low income students that need taos give them advice. we're thinking about technology. we have a great innovation with the college board and bloomberg and others to reach kids by text and reach young people through video chats and others. there are so many, the thing i

love about my job is whether i go to a high school or watching a tech interaction between our advisors, college point advisors and students, what i see is a spark. and you see the spark over and over again. our job is to make sure that spark becomes fireworks. charlie: and it doesn't dim. >> so back to what we talked about. charlie: how did you know pete her >> peter is one of my champions. going back to north carolina. i can remember like it was yesterday, i was sitting withers in bowles talking about how -- -- sitting with erskine bowles, he said, there's something you need to meet. you need to meet peter grower, everything he touches becomes better. i talk about to the our advidsor the most important things i want to say is -- see is a grace and humility. no one wants to see a 22 or

23-year-old go into a school and say i want i'm going to change the school. they want to see empathy and love. peter walks that way through life. back to mentors and somebody saying they believe in you, he not only believes in my student he believes in me, he makes me bring charlie: how do we connect with you? nicole: on our website. charlie: advisingcore.org. nicole: right. charlie: professional golf is ♪

charlie: professional golf is going to georgia this week, 2016 masters tournament gets under way on thursday. jordan spieth will be back to defend his title. we talked recently at chelsea piers. tell me about the masters and you. >> as a kid it was my favorite tournament in the world and nothing has changed. i came close in my first attempt in 2014 and this year got off to a hot start. it was really, really

incredible. it's tough to explain. you don't get a chance to enjoy it while it is happening like your family does or friends. you have to stay so focused. but certainly afterwards, the impact it has had on me personally, the impact it has is on golf audiences incredible. charlie: what happened when bubba beat you? jordan: i remember thinking should i be upset the way this happened or take positives, given it was my first trip, it was -- i was 20 at the time and maybe didn't expect to be a former masters champion on that stage. but no, i don't think i was saying give me back i want to win it again. i was saying give me another opportunity in a major and test

what i have learned in this experience. charlie: what is it about the course itself? jordan: it's so well designed. every time you play it, you learn to learn something more, whether it's different angles and the different pins. even though you play the same 18 holes, seems like you play a different golf hole. the greens are so big and undulating and the fairways and you have to play a lot of different shots and imagination on a course that looks like american-style golf course but could play like something over in great britain. charlie: do you talk to people like nicklaus when you first went to the masters? jordan: standing next to mr. nicklaus and mr. palmer at a wins evening dinner, prior to my first round ever playing it and i remember talking to jack and him saying, just give me some advice.

make sure you hit the greens. even if it looks like it's easier chipping to this pin, going to be easier to putt on these greens. and you have played these guys and come on to this course and play really smart and just wait for your chances. and he was right. charlie: in practice and you watched other guys and let me see how they handle it? jordan: i play a practice round or two with a past winner or someone who has had success there. because i know the places i'm going to practice from, based on what i have learned are the tricky areas of the golf course, but somebody else like i mentioned before, this golf course will yield so many different shots every time you play it. i want to learn from someone else's experience. last year i played with ben crenshaw and tiger woods. charlie: they know something about putting? jordan: they both do.

i was able to see some putts on the greens that made an impact on me over the weekend. charlie: danch jenkins said he has the will of hogan and likability of nelson and putts like ben crenshaw, who you call mr. crenshaw. what would you add to that? jordan: i can't accept any of those. that's incredible. i believe that i'm as competitive as there is. i try to have a work ethic like ben hog and did. those three are three of the top five sports figures and golfers that i look up to. for those words to be said is really special. i certainly wouldn't add anything to it and i'm deeply humbled by it. charlie: what influence has your dad on you?

jordan: you know what is so special on me and my golf, time where a lot of friends or i'd say peers at the time were pushed by their parents to practice and go out and play golf. he said do what you want to. it's golf, it's golf, if it's baseball, it's baseball. if you want it to carry through, it could be inspects, be passionate, set goals, write them down and write thank you notes to everybody who puts you up and does something for you. make sure that you are always showing appreciation for the people allowing you to be where you are at. and it was very, very quee. charlie: one of the hardest things you had to do is tell your dad i'm not going to a baseball pitcher. jordan: i know where i was where

i said i wanted to cut baseball for good. he said just pitch, you don't have to hit. pitch a few games and just to kind of keep doing it. stay around the same group of guys and we were driving up to the dallas tollway and there is a baseball field down below and i remember thinking, it was tough telling him at the time. i must have been 12, 13 years old and i said i want to specialize in golf and play a little bit of basketball. charlie: he was doing what he wanted you to do and what you were passionate about. jordan: he is a college baseball player and my brother started chipping away playing basketball. he wanted someone to play baseball. he couldn't have handled it every opportunity. charlie: your family seems important. jordan: certainly. charlie: your sister, it means

something to you. jordan: it's unique. we have a unique family and unique position. having a special needs sister, kind of changes your life. every person in our family changes kind the sacrifices my parents have to make and for us, it's so special, so special for development and so special to see how she can continue to conquer struggles that we take for granted. charlie: 2015 had to be as good a year as you could have imagined. you won all four. jordan: there was a chance and won the first two and came into the british championship and i'm thinking, we could make this three in a row. at that time, it was focused on trying to make this one in a

row. give yourself a chance to win this. and i had a chance to win there and fell short. that was a tough loss and proved to me no matter how many times you get yourselves in a position, there are breaks that are going to go your way. that's why it is so difficult to win a major let alone a couple in a year and a grand slam. it's tough to imagine that the breaks go your way and exact weeks of the year. charlie: do you prepare differently for a major? jordan: slightly. in the gym, you do stuff maybe a month prior to where when you

get there that week, you can dial it back a little bit. and then you dial up your time spent on the range. yeah. definitely prepare a little bit diffley. everybody is different but specialize in parts of your game that need improvement for those types of courses. i think in order to have that happen, rory is on a level that is higher than everybody else. he has consistently proven he can be in major championship form for now five, six years straight. i had a year last year that started on that path. and i would have to continuity in order to i think to get up to that level. charlie: anything you want to change about your swing? when you look at where you are and you say i'm number one, do you also look and say, i would like to add distance, as you said to me before. if i could do anything, i would add a bit of distance. jordan: my goals for this year, it didn't consist of trying to improve on each tournament from last year.

what we are trying to do is improve as a player and for me, sure, i could add a little bit of distance. i don't need it. i would rather improve my accuracy and if it comes from a comfort level with my driver, i can certainly hit the ball harder than i do if i feel comfortable with my swing. where i feel the need for improvement is in my wedges, my wedge play. from around 50 to 125 yards to the hole, i could be better. and if i can improve in that category and maintain where i was everywhere else, the results will come. charlie: your swing coach looks at your swing today, how would he say it's different? jordan: i don't think there is a whole lot of difference. we go through the videos. when i get into tendencies, he can pinpoint when i had those before. it's the way my body works

compared to the way -- the golf swing is an unnatural movement for your body. so everyone's different. charlie: so many of us have found out. jordan: and so do we and we do it every day, we still find that out. we can pinpoint when they occurred and figure out the changes we made and how successful they were, what we need to adjust from there. i don't need to change my swing at all. there's nothing there, just more owning your own swing. charlie: what's the most exciting part of the game? jordan: being able to pressure and conquer your hand want to do this and make them do this and stop. feeling the line and the momentum of the crowd. when you get a big roar, that is exciting. thousands of people in a setting around the hole and you know three feet to go that putt's going in and raise your putter

up and that seeing that ball drop, it's cool. everyone's hands go up at the same time and lets out the same noise. it's a magical feeling that you don't get to experience. charlie: why do you do it so well? you have the putter in your hand and have a great sense of the speed. >> i think the difference in making mid-range to longer putts. the ones that get that roar and free you up, is speed. i work hard on my speed control. trying to get the ball to just drop where it reaches the front edge of the hole, but it's difficult to do but i do drills with cameron my coach and i feel comfortable that i got that speed down. it's also tough when you have those nerves. for me, my tendency when the

pressure is on and putt to win the tournament, i'm tentative with the putting stroke. either i have to think about it. make sure you put a nice aggressive stroke here. you have to have a trigger when that pressure is on in order to produce the same stroke. it's crazy in golf. charlie: you are one of those people who pay a lot of credit to tiger in the same way that tiger and others paid credit to arnie saying we ought to pay him -- 5% to tiger and 10% to arnie. what is it that tiger did for the game? jordan: he made it cool and athletic. arnie made it cool. tiger made it athletic and had influence on the younger generation of athletes that maybe golf is cool, let's try

golf. and certainly was that way with me. i was an athlete when i was younger and i saw him dominate and was inspiring and i loved playing golf and controlling my destiny and worked hard like he was working and start seeing results and it's fun. charlie: back to you and looking at the game and admiring tiger, is golf doing enough today to attract young minorities to play golf and not go to basketball or not go to other sports to make it attractive. jordan: i don't think that golf is doing enough. i think there are significant steps being taken by opening golf up and opening opportunities up for free or for less money. golf is an expensive sport and i

think in order to appeal to an entire generation of younger athletes, basketball, you just have to a basketball and go find a hoop. you have to make it accessible and it's a challenge. i don't know the answers. i try and help any way that i can and i have a foundation and a lot of that foundation is focused on junior golf and trying to give kids opportunities that they wouldn't normally have and that's just, you know, a tiny little percentage and the overall experience, but i think there could be more that could be done and i think in the coming years, like the drive chip and putt that is happening at augusta, that is something that is free. anybody can go out if you are 7-15. charlie: feel the game. jordan: go to any of these qualifiers and if you just love

the game or just started, it gives a chance to go out there and hack a ball around or take a chance on making this putt, but it's free and anybody can do it and have a chance to kick off masters week. stuff like that, i never would have been able to think of and if i had that opportunity as a kid, if that was there, i would have been striving for that. charlie: exactly. when you go to the masters, are you playing course, competition or yourself? jordan: there, you are playing the golf course and this year it's going to be tricky and last year it was 18 under and trying to repeat a win is to not look at the year before and think it's going to be like that. could be better, could be worse. i have already been to augusta this year and the greens are faster earlier in the season than last year. so they are going to be very fast come tournament time and i don't think they like 18 under. the year before, bubba won it 8

and i was at five. charlie: who do you think will win the masters this year. jordan: i would put it at 10 to 12 under, firmer greens or you get like a softer golf course, it could be tougher. it's just hard to tell, but i got a feeling they aren't going to like 18 under and make it tougher for us. charlie: four majors, you were 54 under. jordan: i don't think i will ever beat that in my career. hopefully my career is -- another 30 years. but i don't think i'll ever beat that for the four majors. masters played to a record low number and then u.s. open is always tough. but the other two majors were low scores as well.

but they won't be happy that the scores were low. charlie: what's interesting about you and to read what people said about you, it is that you are looking to make the game simpler. your pursuit is simplicity. jordan: i think because of kind of my golf knowledge, i feel like it's easy for me to make it complex. success comes for me in knocking out all these different tools, whether it's an extra swing thought or thinking about where that water is behind the hole and i have a good -- charlie: has to be at least winning how many majors? jordan: i could have a good season without winning a major. charlie: could you really? jordan: if the break didn't go my way and not contending in any of them, i'm not going to be happy at the end of the year. i have to work my way back in some.

sure, in golf, it has to go your way and be in a position. you need both to happen. last year i was in contention four times and two of them went my way and two didn't. charlie: what's the difference between the best player and those who are ranked say 30th? jordan: a lot of it is the desire to want to be in it every week. a lot of guys have an incredible amount of talent, but some guys -- guys are either they are adjusting to being in contention consistently, because in order to be in the top 10 in the world you need to be very consistent and you need to win quite a few times. either they are still learning how to close or consistency is just off. if you are 30th in the world,

you are also winning multiple worldwide events. not like you don't have an ability to close. but at the big events, to you you have to contend. charlie: when did you know you had that? jordan: probably end of 2014, beginning of last year. charlie: 2014 where you lost the masters to bubba. jordan: i won the australian open and tiger's event which neither counted on the pga tour. charlie: and it said what to you? jordan: here it is, i can close. i had one won pga tour event and been in contention 20 times and only had one more where i truly had a chance to win coming the last day and those events. i learned how to close, i played my best golf after i already had the lead and that what i almost

looked at the leaderboard and instead of pushing this -- instead of pushing it to 4, i played away from my game and dropped back one or tied and evently second or third place and it was at that time where i just added a little level of patience, not listening to the roars in front or my group, recognizing that an 18-hole final round of golf can feel like two or three rounds. you played the best this whole week. if you sit and play your exact game, some will go your way. and i went to japan and i took that kind of thought process into the final round there and it didn't go my way but the very next week in australia and then tiger, it did. charlie: you want to hit the ball over? jordan: yeah. charlie: what do you need to do

that? jordan: i can't tell where it's landing. i'll hit a 3-wood. jordan: judging where it's landing. we're good, right? hello, boat. [laughter] jordan: got to be out there. charlie: let me ask you one

question, of all the things that you have contained in your golf game, what is the most important thing that makes you number one and give you the season you had last year? jordan: confidence in my putting and confidence in my alignment and confidence in the ability to -- confidence in my own ability to make the big putt when it matters and do that by seeing big putts when it matters. after you see a couple go in big tournaments, you have the visualization and believe you can do it and in our level, when it comes down, little bit of belief that puts that confidence on it. it was fun. a lot of fun. ♪

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