>> from our studios in new york city. this is charlie rose. charlie rose: john kerry is here. he's the 68th secretary of state. after 28 years in the senate he succeeded hillary clinton in 2013. last year he brokered a landmark , nuclear deal with iran. he also played a key role in syrian peace negotiations. according to the new yorker carries admirers and critics alike describe him in similar terms. optimistic and dogged, undaunted by risk. convinced that if he can get the relevant parties into the room

he can make a deal. i am pleased to have john kerry on this program. welcome. does that sound true to you? john kerry: no. [laughter] it is obviously more complicated than that. like everything in public life, people try to simplify it. put it in a bottle. define it in very limited terms. it is much more complex. charlie: you were the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee. you know foreign policy. what surprises you about the execution of foreign policy? john kerry: we are living in a completely different world from the one that i grew up in. and the one i grew up in the senate. most of the last century was defined by state actors.

acting out for territory or dominion, empire, whatever. that changed when the berlin wall fell and with the demise of the soviet union. with the exception of utin's adventure in crimea most of this century is already being defined by nonstate actors. principally radical religious extremism. you have also seen a massive squeezing of the universe into a smaller ball. because of technology. because of trade and the massive amount of interconnectedness of all of our economies today.

the result is many, many people are running around with smartphones but no education. no opportunity. no jobs. no rights within their countries. a consequence of that is a disgruntled nature. a clash of cultures. the clash of aspirations. the absence of opportunity. that explodes. it exploded with a fruit vendor in tunisia who lit himself on fire and ignited the whole northern part of africa. that is what we are dealing with. beyond there it is in , south-central asia. it is in asia. government -- one of the things i have discovered is the breadth of bad governance which feeds that.

corruption is an enormous problem on a global basis. there are whole states that are seeing their future robbed by so-called leaders. and by the way, with the aiding and abetting of legitimate banks and other entities around the world that harbor their money. and so forth. charlie rose: you were almost a successful presidential candidate. john kerry: but for a certain state called ohio. charlie rose: when you look at the world today, you can see it being defined by nonstate actors. does that make isis our largest and toughest and most challenging national security issue? john kerry: it is the most immediate national security challenge because they are out to kill people. they have targeted us. they are targeting our allies and our friends. they are creating severe disruption in the region.

where we have significant interests for stability. and peace. the frenzy ofng potential sectarian divide that could grow even more dangerous. we are not there yet, but it has the makings of that. charlie rose: general betray us once said to me if we are not winning we are losing. are we losing? john kerry: no we are not. we are aggressively making progress with respect to isil. they haven't gained any territory since last may at least. they are losing their leadership at the top level, perhaps one every three days. they lost 40% of the territory they held in syria. they lost 20% of the territory. we are increasingly moving now. the russians together with assad

took back crimea. charlie rose: when will we liberate mosul? john kerry: soon i hope. i can't tell you when the main event will be engaged. that is up to the military folks. and the body government, and so forth. i do know that is a focus of effort and it will happen and we will succeed. charlie: are you getting what you need from the body government? john kerry: the prime minister has enormous pressures. for the most part he is really working unbelievably hard to deliver. he has a very difficult hand. there are shia militia there.

putting enormous pressures and hurdles in the way. the politics is complicated. the old ex-prime minister continues to maneuver behind the scenes and make life difficult. there is a relationship with iran. it is complicated. he is working very hard to deliver. he has made very tough decisions. they are decisions that turned out well. he was the key to helping to liberate ramadi. we're moving up into akbar. -- anbar. on the military side and security site i think we will , stay on the right track. charlie: you don't think iraq will end up in partition? john kerry: i don't know how that works anymore. some of the difficulties of uniting it.

i think we are not for that. we believe that a united iraq , a united syria are the way forward. charlie: what is our present attitude toward president assad? you and i both have been to syria when he was viewed as a kind of a possible reformer. john kerry: he lost the opportunity. as the foreign minister said on occasion, he made mistakes. i think it is clear that assad made in our miss, gigantic mistakes in not recognizing what was happening throughout the region. he met them with thuggery. rather than with a dialogue. the result is, the parents came out and he made sure they were

met with bullets and violence. the result was the beginning of the tearing apart of syria. i not see how even if united , states or someone else said go ahead, you try to make a government. which we don't. you could make it happen. -- not make it happen. he could help an orderly transition. charlie: how long does he have? john kerry: that is part of the negotiating process. the russians say they are not wedded to a solid -- assad. they want stability. they want a united syria. they want the institutions of the government to hold together. they worry that a sudden

the parser of assad could shatter the country and you have problems with the military and problems with others. we are happen to agree with that view, but that is their worry. assad hasm is that gassed his own people. that is against the laws of war. he has tortured his own people. that is against the laws of life and war. starved his own people. ofattractive -- as a tactic war, that is a war crime. whether it is dropping barrel bombs on civilians or gassing your people and putting 12 million of them into displaced person status. either refugees or in the country, how can you turn around

and say i am the guy to unite this country. it is not going to happen. the turks and the saudi's who are the principal supporters of members of the opposition will not stop supporting opposition that will not stop fighting. so if you are serious about ending the war, you have absolutely no choice but to find a way to have face-saving in certain quarters and the assad -- see assad exit in an orderly structured way. charlie: those are important words. you've got to have something to succeed him. john kerry: that is exactly what we are working on in geneva. that is the principle around which the geneva talks are organized. there will be a transition by mutual consent and both parties compromise to put people in place who manage the affairs of state until there is a new constitution and an election. ultimately the people of syria ratified their new leadership

and the constitution through a referendum. charlie: do we have candidates to succeed him? john kerry: there are very qualified people who i think can earn the respect of all parties. charlie: what does vladimir putin want? john kerry: he wants a syria that is whole and secular and united. charlie: that is what we want. john kerry: that is exactly why we came together and therefore organized the conference is indiana and new york and be in make to push for the cessation of hostilities and try to get to the transition. their goal and iran's goal

-- at least it's openly about wed goal-- openly avo is to have united syria that is not sectarian. status quo ante. with leadership that can unite the country and move it forward. iran said we are willing to have a unity government. a new constitution. and elections. ultimately pulling hezbollah out is part of the negotiation. charlie: have they been helpful? the iranians have been helpful coming out of assigned to nuclear deal? john kerry: iran signs onto both communiques in vienna. which embraced the very principles i just articulated. in addition, they have supported the munich meeting and declaration which reaffirms our desire to have a transition and move forward. iran effectively had a similar plan. there is a difference of opinion

about what the transition is defined as. and you actually has to do what. in principle they have embraced the basic solution. what remains is the -- to be seen is whether they will be helpful. they need consensus within the two meetings in vienna. charlie: would that have been possible without the iran nuclear deal? john kerry: no. we have a channel today to be in --able to communicate directly which we did not have two years ago. charlie: you have a phone call you can make as when the boats were captured. john berry: that is correct -- john kerry: that is correct. we would not have known protocol before. there was no relationship. charlie: iran and russia and the

united states have shared goals? john kerry: we have shared goals and we also have real differences. the challenge is to try to manage those. let me give you an example. 2013, werst came in in ran into the challenge of chemical weapons use in syria. through a conversation between president putin and president obama that talked about what other options might be or whether or not there was a way to get the weapons out. through conversations between a rough and myself, we ultimately shaped a agreement. for the removal of all the chemical weapons. even as we were in controversy with russia on almost every other issue. charlie: address this idea that

by crossing the red line as a symbolic act it has been a -- it sent a message to putin, a message to the iranians and others that you could cross the red line without consequences. all of those countries communicated that to you rather quickly. john kerry: they did, but it disagreed with them rather quickly. the president of the united states barack obama made his decision and made it public. there was never an issue of the president deciding he wasn't going to bomb. the president decided particularly after david cameron went to the apartment -- to the parliament and they lost the vote only two days previously that as we listened to the congressmen and senators on the telephone as we were briefing them. they said you are going to come to us aren't you?

charlie: there are some advisers who said we didn't have to go to congress. john kerry: absolutely. the president felt that it was important particularly in the wake of what happened in great britain with parliament's boat -- vote that he was going to honor our constitution and go to congress. we thought we would have very quick approval. we were surprised that it was not quick approval. in the meantime i floated : publicly in london the idea is is there any way we could avoid a chemical attack, i said yes get the chemical weapons out of syria. within a week or two we had a deal. charlie: he said i have to think about it.

clearly, he made that deal. john kerry: i think the russians helped him think about it. charlie: the president says he is proud of that decision. are you? john kerry: yes. charlie: you think it was the right decision? john kerry the president : achieved more than we would've achieved if we had bombed. at which point, assad would say this is why we need those weapons. and today some of those weapons might be in the hands of isil. i think president made a very important decision that wound up getting a better result. he never decided, never backed off from the notion that he was prepared to bomb. charlie: it is recommended that action, not to bomb.

john kerry the government called : for the president on the evening of friday and he informed me what his thinking was. the president told us what he was thinking, and i supported that. i said we need to communicate to , congress to get congress to support what we are doing. charlie: there's a famous article in the atlantic by jeffrey goldberg talking about the obama doctrine. one thing it suggests is that you have been advocating a more aggressive action in syria and in the middle east than the president is prepared to take. can you clear that up for me? have you recommended more military use and more engagement? john kerry: it is entirely inappropriate for me or other people to be talking about the advice we are giving a president while we are still serving and giving the president advice. i think that the president has a right to know that the

conversations we have remain between us. i honor that. charlie: you talk about philosophically. eastyou look at the middle that article points out that the , president really fears getting engaged. john kerry: the president doesn't fear it. i think it is important. the president is a very tough decision maker. he is very demanding. he asks really tough questions. i have been impressed by that. he goes right to the nub of the issue and tries to figure out what the consequences and effects are going to be of any obvious decision that he makes. that at times, we have not put to the president to the full breadth of some of the options that might be available.

trolley: what do you mean by that? what do you mean by that? john kerry: there are times where the president is clear about what he's trying to achieve and it takes a direction. you can have a difference of opinion with respect to one particular piece of action. but i have never differed with the president on the fundamental direction. he initiated bombing of isis immediately. i believe he saved iraq at that moment and made the difference for baghdad. then he began to demand from everybody what are the options on how we're going to fight this war. i think we have all learned is -- as the process has gone on

refinements in the ways in which we can fight isil more effectively. let me give you an example. the foreign fighters is a new phenomenon. we have had to work unbelievably hard. charlie: let me to find foreign fighters. those who go to syria and come back to paris and brussels. john kerry: i think that the trick and the challenge of it is diminish that flow of people in both directions. we worked extremely hard with our european friends and friends in the region about airports and names on the passenger list. scrutiny. the border of turkey has been an enormous challenge. we think there is still more that could be done. there is a meeting this week

taking place between the united states and our turkish allies to -- about how we can do more on the border to deal with isil. charlie: here in palmera, the assad regime taking it back. how strong is a thought now -- assad now because russia came in and propped him up and use them. john kerry: he is clearly stronger than he was. that doesn't change the fundamental dynamic. if you're going to end the war. -- war, you cannot do it with assad there. charlie: before you enter the war he has got to be gone. john kerry: the war will not come to a complete ending if

assad, against the wishes of the .pposition the opposition will not fight -- end fighting because of what he is deemed to a gun they are not going to suddenly disappear. even if assad is in a stronger position they still have to transition. charlie: he spent four hours -- you spent four hours with vladimir putin. what does he want? he wants russia to be respected. what else does he want?

john kerry: i don't claim to be -- charlie: he spent hours and days. kerry: i think he is intelligent. charlie: what does he want? john kerry: i think he is strategic. and tactical. sometimes more tactical than strategic. certainly a strategic vision. he wants his point of view acknowledged, and to a certain degree, his interests reciprocated, met to a certain degree. there are limits. , we are not moving. charlie: you think there is reason to believe that crimea can be taken back from russia?

john kerry: there is reason to believe that over a long. of time, depending on how the crimean's feel about it, they may want to have some resolution with respect to whether they are part of ukraine or not. it is not going to go away. ukraine is not going to say, go ahead and keep it. that is not the cards. i think that ultimately -- that is down the road. right now the fight is over ukraine. i think president putin feels that the united states abused the process in libya. he reminds us every moment. there is a long list of things. what we need to do is find a way for president putin have an opportunity to meet the demands of the united nations security

council. live up to his obligations under the minsk agreement. charlie: that is what he says he wants to do. john kerry: that is what you test. my job in diplomacy is to try to take what someone says and test whether it is something real. particularly when you are looking for an outcome that is structured and peaceful and productive. you will have to find find some -- you'll have to find some road that is not perfect. but that finds a way to get there. in the case of president putin, he says that he is prepared to be a part of the solution with respect to syria. everybody doubted whether russia would play any constructive role whatsoever with respect to the cessation of hostilities. charlie: and?

john kerry we got a cessation of : hostilities. notwithstanding. because they play a positive role. if they hadn't done that, we would not have an agreement with iran. if they had not played a constructive role, we would not have gotten a chemical weapons deal out of syria. they would be in the hands of my -- isil today. the job is not yet done. there is a difficult road ahead. this could crumble very easily. the opposition may decide they are not serious about a transition. ♪

♪ charlie: let's assume that it works. and it continues to hold the nuclear deal. would that be the crowning achievement of john kerry as secretary of state? john kerry: i have no idea. others have to judge that down the road. i have got at this with the notion that every day i am there is an opportunity to try to get something done. we began by working very hard to push the middle east peace process forward. we have worked now on so many different areas. we are working on the sudan. we are working on yemen. libya, korea. the south china sea. still afghanistan.

charlie: where does afghanistan stand? are the talib and continuing to --taliban continuing to make gains? john kerry: they have made some gains. it is fair to say that the afghan army has also indicated great capacity to stand this ground and fight. they are learning and getting better. charlie: turning quickly to china. one of the great fears including how to protect nuclear weapons among countries that hold them. like pakistan and what happens in north korea. are the chinese prepared to help us with respect to north korea? john kerry: they have helped recently. in the un security council resolution where he had a standoff for a period of time china evaluated it very , carefully. they moved quite significantly and so we have a much tougher resolution than we ever have before.

now the trick is to make sure that it is fully implemented. we are working on the implementation. i believe there is possibly still more china could do. i think president obama feels that way also. china is the key. china has the lifeline financial relationship through its banks to north korea. the lifeline geographical situation. the lifeline food and security relationship. the lifeline on fuel. the question is one of the -- the question is what are they prepared to do. charlie: american politics proceeds without you being involved. what do foreign leaders say to you about what they see in american politics? john kerry: they are very concerned. there is a great disquiet anxiety. , they are anxious about the certainty that they have had about united states policy. let me give you an example. i will say one thing about a policy issue that a candidate has said.

when donald trump talked about korea and japan going out and getting their own nuclear weapons, i can't think of anything that would be more volatile, more contrary to peace and stability in the region, more contrary to the fundamental commitment of every president since world war ii to try to minimize the risk of nuclear weapons and minimize the number of people who have them. here is a guy running for president who says let them go get it themselves. charlie: like themselves. kerry: it is beyond provocative. that absence of continuity and stability with american traditions. with risk assessment. with calculated strategy. it is a profound challenge to the relationships that we have. charlie: what if donald trump should somehow become the nominee? kerry: i am not going to go down

that road. suffice it to say there is great . -- great anxiety. everywhere i go, people saying what is happening in the united states, what is happening in your politics. charlie: that it is happening in europe: -- europe too. , john kerry: there is a move to the right. but you don't see people saying countries should go out and get nuclear weapons. you don't see the assault on nato. nato is very important to the effort to hold the migration at bay. so, i think, those are the things that when people see a potential nominee of a party starting to talk that way they get nervous. charlie: your relationship with the president. there have been great secretary of state presidential relationships.

i would suggest that jim baker and george bush would be the best that you could hope for. henry kissinger and richard nixon and gerald ford. his foreign policy conceived at the state department or the white house? john kerry: it is always a combination. i have been watching that relationship for 28 years. the different national security advisers and secretaries. i always knew that one of the first rules is don't get into turf squabbles and don't start fighting. you are there to serve the president. both the national security advisor and the secretary. i serve at the pleasure of the president. it makes sense to be a team. we are a good team. i believe that. between the whole team the , entire team. everybody works together as a team. i believe it is too early for

retrospectives. but i will tell you the president has given me enormous latitude. he has trusted me. he has given me enormous scope to go out and try something. and put him at risk too. i have huge respect for the presidents strength with respect to letting someone else go out and do something. he was deeply involved in the details of the iran agreement. he knew exactly what he could tolerate politically and otherwise. he made the final cut on whether we were willing to go with this or not. i think he deserves the credit for that. charlie: in 2004 there was a senator from massachusetts who was having a nominating convention. john kerry: it didn't quite turn out the way i intended. charlie: the man he chose and gave national prominence to with that keynote speech became the

-- made him a national political figure. john kerry: i thought all the potential to be a future president. i just didn't think that i would wind up working for him. charlie: life is strange isn't it? john kerry: it has been terrific. i have no complaints. it is a fabulous job. i was thought this was the best job in government. charlie better than president? : john kerry: yes. i don't have to go out and raise unbelievable amounts of money. seriously. charlie: we agree to 30 minutes, and we have gone a little bit over. let me just ask this one last question. having to do with the things you spent a lot of your time on which is the israeli-palestinian issue. you really went all out. even with more enthusiasm for the success of than the president had. he wanted you to go see what you

can do. in the end you didn't do it. have you given up hope that before you leave this office that you can somehow pull a rabbit out of a hat? john kerry: i don't see the time to negotiate out a final status agreement. i do think it is possible to get something started get something , moving in which you could lay out a vision for where you are going and perhaps get the parties together and have some confidence building measures. you could have some efforts for instance in the west bank. is the areahich controlled by israel. and begin to build up palestinian capacity. i think you could do more on security and economic development. you can build a horizon where there are some expectations for what has to be achieved and begin to quiet things down and

give people some confidence and hope that there is within that framework the kernels of possible negotiations. i don't think you can just plunk down and start to negotiate tomorrow. but i do think there are definitive steps that could be taken. we have nine or 10 more months. i think president obama will always welcome something that is real. the president's view of this i think has been sadly misinterpreted. charlie: by the israelis? john kerry by lots of people. : he would love to see something happen. but the president doesn't have a conviction at this point that people are really serious and prepared to move in any direction. once things began to come apart ago, theforts to years

president has been appropriately skeptical about whether people are serious. the president will always be prepared to embrace something that is real. the -- needless to say, he cares about this enormously. because it is vital to security of an ally, israel. vital to the region. vital to us. frankly, without it being sold at some point in time, it leaves great uncertainty about the capacity for stability and peace in that region. charlie: what you worry about the most? john kerry: i worry about the gap between the massive numbers of young people in various parts of the world and particularly in the middle east and the north of africa and south central asia. where they know with the rest of the world has and they don't have it. they know they don't have it.

charlie: and they have access to knowing it because of social media? kerry: and they see the access, and they don't have connection to anything. they are right for the picking of some kind of radicalization. for the moment that has become a very dangerous extreme elements islamic distortion that is putting many people at risk. what i worry about is there are hundreds of millions of kids in africa and the region who need to be educated, not 10 years from now, but tomorrow. if you leave them without opportunity and with bad governance and corruption surrounding them and the only thing coming at them is a drum the--drumbeat of a distortion of religious belief

that can be dangerous for everybody. that is the greatest challenge we face in terms of security today. when someone can be built into a killing machine who thinks it is better to go be dead than to be alive and they are prepared to take a lot of people with them , that could be a dangerous world. we have to rise more to the challenge of preventing that. of inoculating against it. charlie: and we do that? is a very old process of engaging with countries so they can deliver the services that are wanted and the system that can transform their economies. it is not all doom and gloom. believe me. hundreds of millions of people in india and china have been brought into the middle class. there is huge amount of growth out there. i mean if you get away from the

, headlines of violence -- and it is hard to do that -- there is actually less violence and fewer numbers of people being killed in the world than there were in the last century. you have to measure this. there are diseases being cured. there are opportunities being created that some people thought would exist. -- people thought would never exist. a really positive side to all this. also a really dangerous side. charlie: are we using all the tools we can in terms of economic development and all kinds of assistance we might be able to lend in terms of her -- own technology. in order to have an influence in the world. john kerry: we are using everyone that we have been able to put together in terms of serious budget limitations.

we can do much more with more resources. we are dealing with a budget deal that the congress insisted on and limitations that have been placed on our ability to do some of these things. that is a very important subject needs to be built out. i will come back. charlie: thank you mr. secretary. it was a pleasure to have you here. suppose hillary clinton is elected and asks you to stay on? john kerry: my plan is to finish out. charlie: and write a book? john kerry: i have to think about it. good to be with you. charlie: secretary of state john kerry. stay with us. we will be right back. ♪

charlie: tina brown is here. she is the founder and ceo of tina brown media. in 2010, she launched the women in the world summit. discussing timely issues. women from around the world. the seventh annual summit takes place this week in new york city. participants include the first lady of afghanistan. christine lagarde. when you set out what you -- what were you intending to do? tina brown: i have been working a lot with vital voices which

mentors women in emerging countries. i kept meeting these incredible feisty formidable women. who nobody ever heard from in this country. they got me so excited again about what is to be a woman taking on huge challenges. it is almost as if feminism in america at that moment felt very dormant. these women were making me a feminist for the first time. in a strange way. i thought, how great would it be to bring them to new york and give them their own platform. give them some space and time. charlie: the purpose is to empower women celebrate women. , isn't it amazing what women are doing around the world? especially, underlined, around the world? tina brown: is also about seeing the world through the eyes of women. these are the women who lived behind the lines of the news. you see the headlines. you don't really feel what it is like to be a woman in syria or a

woman who can't get any education in pakistan. or people don't really pay attention to it much. people don't really pay attention. to bring these women who are so vibrant and have these amazing personal stories to the stage was really the concept of the narratives. to use these women to open our eyes about the world. charlie: they are both famous and not so famous. tina brown: it is important to have that combination. people won't come if it is a host of names they don't know. hillary clinton and meryl streep was there year one. they had come back every year. they wanted to bring their a spotlight. there is a kind of solidarity and women start to feel a certain point in their careers. they feel there are all these other one another. they compare their own paths to what must be like to be a woman with absolutely zero inclusion of any kind.

the frustration of it. the culture and society against them in many cases. tina brown: the culture is so much against them and so anyways. it is very scary. what is very interesting i find is the sense of paradox in the world. on the one hand, you have in india women marching on the republic day and creating women entrepreneurs. at the same time marital rape is not illegal. it gets pushed back every time it is brought to discussion. is a man's privilege and the right to rape his wife and use her sexually in any way he wants because it is not against the law. you have these paradoxes where on the one hand you have these , great things that are happening but also you can't get change. it happens again and again. in afghanistan we have the first lady of afghanistan coming to the summit. we opened to the summit with an

afghan rapper. she was supposed to be a child bride but she got away. charlie: stories we now know of having women from other religions are raped and the belief on the part of these people that it is ok. that men have the religious right to do this. tina brown: it is so painful. in so many places that is true. the women are treated like dogs in their own country. it is very distressing. published by their own families. in pakistan, they are still trying to get a bill passed to outlaw the fact that men who committed honor killings can be forgiven by the communities and walk free. in kurdistan, you get three months for an honor killing. if you kill your daughter for marrying a man you didn't like

you get three months. these are the kind of facts were when you hear them they just low your mind. when i was at the blog exchange, i was there with a feisty iranian blogger. about taking the hijab off. in iran if a woman sings on her own a man has to sing over her. and i thought doesn't that say , volumes? here is that woman trying to express himself singing, and guess what, she has got this grand musty finger -- figure coming along and singing over her. that is the kind of little exchange that happens with women in the world. this green room is this marvelous cross-cultural combination between the united nations and woodstock. all these women discovering things about each other. it is extremely exciting. charlie: what is mindy kaling doing there. tina brown: she has many

interesting things to say about what she is doing in movies and tv. we always love to have that kind of voice on the stage. we have kerry washington they -- to talk about the movie about anita hill. she is playing her in the film. it is interesting to think about anita hill in the context of this new supreme court moment. to think about how much time has passed since that controversy and painful moment when the whole anita hill case came up. what it did to the whole law of sexual harassment. in the end she is going to be such a celebrated figure because she didn't want to testify she -- testify she went back into , complete silence afterward. she did not ask to be a cable tv host or a reality tv show star. nothing. she just had to tell the truth about what it felt like to be sexually harassed. she paid a huge price. she did huge thing for american women. charlie: you are also doing something new for the american justice system.

tina brown: two years ago i launched the american justice summit. that was conceived because i felt outrage about what was happening in rikers island. i was so upset. mostly about the amount of mentally ill people that are abused in the criminal justice system. 40% of the people in this correctional facility are mentally ill. it is like we treat these persons as a kind of debtor's prison or a garbage pail for the mentally ill. it is so deeply upsetting. as police brutality cases began to come up with the videotapes that were revealing this other world where young black men are so singled out and profiled and abused really made us feel that we must now do something about this. these unsung voices of women. these voices are also unsung. huge interest. it has become a real topic a. we are growing that.

i feel that it is a vital master -- matter to keep that spotlight on. charlie: is this the kind of tina brown we will see, the entrepreneur? the tina brown who has some understanding that rather than editing magazines, she ought to , shot to be a stimulator and creator? tina brown: these of the things that turn me on at this moment in mcareer. i do see the summits that we are doing as experiential publishing. i program it as a magazine. the excitement of our summit is to be more to go from a conversation with mindy kaling to conversation about how turkey is sliding back into authoritarianism and to despotism through the eyes of women. it is that mix that i used to bring to a magazine that i i now bring it to these live events. we also bringing -- and a strong digital presence.

a strong digital platform as we go forward. we have now developed this amazing network over seven years. there is hardly a woman that i can't locate when the news blows up. charlie: tina brown, a great champion of women. the summit is here in new york. thank you for joining us. see you next time. ♪

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