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>> it is. invited by the vatican to go over and speak. > i was very moved by the invitation, which was just made public today. > i'm a big, big fan of the pope. obviously, there are areas where we disagree on, women's rights rights but he's played an unbelievable role of injecting a consequence into the economy. > let's call that the before video. now for the after video. turns out that sanders will be academic t an conference sponsored by the pontifical academy but the pope n is now saying the was not responsible for the invite. set plans to ny even meet with the senator, but, as was first reported by bloomberg the president of the academy is saying the sanders campaign reached out first for the set plans to said they vitation and discourtesy.ntal it's not even good timing, day

fter the debate with hillary clinton and a few days before the new york primary, which you haven't heard is a big deal to sanders. mark, put aside, there is a lot of internal stuff going on in city, but just focusing on this one question, is this a sanders' timeernie flying off to rome mark: if he with the pope of which there is no indication that he will. inexplicable. i think he sort of likes the of being invited by some arm of the vatican to go. good jew that he is. mark: to go for rome 48 hours to the primary that he must win, we'll have his on later on in the show, it seems ill-advised. >> before any of the controversy whether he was invited or lobbied. standing in of him the chapel doing the cam-cam

with the pope. short of that -- before any of these controversy broke out i looked said, really? that's a long trip. this is a must win primary. pope is obviously -- the pope has become kind of a icon in some ways. in certain areas. ark: if he got up front with the pope i would say it would be barely worth it. > i don't see how, if he loses the new york primary by a pint of two, having spent two days, it will take him out of the conversation, and out of new york, if he loses this primary y a point, people will look at this and say, that was the dumbest decision he's ever made. my prediction, this trip won't happen. strategist, donald trump's newest hire made his television debut as the frontrunner's honcho in undertaking -- per his interview cnn today, feels quite comfortable with the

undertaking. has e reality is ted cruz seen his best day the reality is, this convention process will be over with june.ime in probably june 7. and it will be parents to the over the -- ump is 1,237. everything will come together. >> you think trump get to 1,237? >> absolutely. >> before the convention? absolutely. >> why the confidence? >> because i know the votes. suit, that hair. the state convention in colorado is this weekend. yet being talked about as another sign that the trump campaign has been getting in aneuvered by team cruz amassing delegates assuming that he's a riding of the ship for campaign. john, does trump have enough time to actually right the ship?te accumulation >> well, let's just pause for a moment and note, that that video of him, he's legendary figure in consulting obbying circles, we haven't seen much of paul, so that was a little bit

sighting.oot i think it might be too late. i really do. think, he's a very smart man and he understands a lot of things and he knows this game. ut ted cruz has stolen a march on donald front on this front and in terms of what has to happen state by state, cruz and e have organizations are working this problem, coming in very, very late to try to day here on this front. be difficult to save is ballot things. it's still possible. people are focused on -- at the convention. it is possible that with his elp they can get not just a bare majority but they could get over. you know, people talk about 60%, whatever, t he can. if kasich and cruz do not improve their games in the california, and if he can win indiana he can get that even with some defections, he can do it. >> it's a little bit dodging the uestion because the truth is that what we're focused on with

him, him as the convention manager. -- i'm saying, if doomed trump runs the table for the rest of the nomination and by the last ither contest or shortly thereafter, that is possible. strong electoral performance by trump, will make him unnecessary. go hand-in-hand. these states that are coming up you need to win. ut you need to win that maximizes the chance that people will show up in cleveland ready to vote four. he may not be too late to help on the frond end but maybe too late to help on the back end. >> that's good. i like that we agree about that >> who is the strongest trump ger to donald j. billionaire? ryan lying ted, what about paul? house speaker. we'll have the answer, when about being a y so-called white knight for the republicans, who, me? no way. not interested. not going to happen. ryan's officeray, released this video from that stirring quote state of american

he gave on ech, capitol hill last month, the headline banner on the dredge line this morning, paul launches first campaign ad. with a cautionary question mark. decide, take a look. >> what bothers me the most in day is this notion that we're going to win an election by dividing people inspiring people on our common humanity and our common ideals and common culture should unify us. we all want to be prosperous. we all want to be healthy. succeed.verybody to we want people to reach their potential in their lives. now liberals and conservatives disagree with one another on that. no problem. that's what this is all about. have battle of ideas. let's have a contest of whose why our better and ideas are better.

>> every time we talk about ryan as a white knight, people get really upset. no. no. . he won't bawhite knight. if they are sincere about that, is he releasing videos like that >> paul ryan said he would be a modern majorof league speaker of the house who ways.nicates in modern he's in the trappings of foreign videos, well polished ooks like what a presidential candidate would do. he's not being anything to position himself. these are sophisticated people. they put a video some ke that, i have sympathy but i'll tell you right now between now and the convention in cleveland if you on't want people to talk about you as a potential nominee, tap it down. to that video really need come out here in april? >> at the time, when everybody this king about this, on show and elsewhere, is paul ryan

be g to do this you have to a dept not to think and understand how the media will react. report as the dredge did, exactly as we have. they know what they are doing. this stuff if you at it.ant us to talk that video was too well done to be a coincidence. >> and too advertising. it is what it is. cleveland.til after >> all right. we'll hear more from them i'm sure, when we return, political lows from olitical the week that was. after these words from our sponsors. ryan, 2016.

>> believe it or not it's been just three days since the wisconsin primary. estaments to the brave new world that is the competitive new york presidential primary, compressed into empire state s of tumult, that we thought we would end the game with highs and lows. donald j. trump billionaire's high of the week, we think it 10,000 person rally in bethpage on wednesday night, ay after the primary, when trump made an early demonstration that he's back on home turf. it's great to , home. this is home. can you hear me in the back? cruz came today and he couldn't a hundred people. we all know people who have died and i've got this guy standing me talkinglooking at scornnew york values with

in his face. with hatred of new york. i'm a straight shooter. straight, like new we shoot straight. >> back on home turf, he's not as anything early in visible since then. >> he needed to, given the catastrophe or borderline wisconsin was t for him in the eyes of everyone, he needed to come here and make emphatic first statement. >> big show of the force. >> bethpage is a great place to and he did it. emphatic. i haven't been as impressed with anything since. that event was strong. >> we knew it but people need to not just a city guy. he'll have strength. do events e'll upstate and around the state and people will see he has a demanding position. >> his low of the week was a wisconsin three part turn in the conventional wisdom, in

the republican race. won't get a rump majority of delegates before the national convention, and two, that if trump doesn't get a on the of delegates first ballot it will be difficult for him to wendell gats on subsequent ballots and of conventional wisdom that the party is not as worried about a public relations republican the frontrunner don't win the nomination as some people thought they might be, those wisdom have all set in. retty close to universal, it gets low but how low? >> it's bad, because we said wisconsin would give the trump a shot in the arm and it isn't going to apply much in new york and maybe not in the after that, in the northeast. but where the shot in the arm omes from is that conventional wisdom. if the party feels they can get away with stopping trump and first ballot a victory and can survive that, change. a big c >> this is one of the things where perception feeds reality. if you think you can do it. needs to get a majority.

his life will be much rougher if majority.get a >> let's turn to ted cruz. texas senator's high this week was a new reality captured erfectly be a "new york times" story this morning the headline, g.o.p. donors defeat donald trump learn to love ted cruz. you know, if i'm ted cruz's press secretary that's pretty work for i've done my the month with that headline. >> let's see how much money ends bank. the a lot of people weren't ready to write checks but they are open to it. amazing, i know we're talking high. his not one significant endorsement since wisconsin. not one in this period. sense, you know, the fact that he's got endorsements from five of the previous candidates who dropped out across a pretty big spectrum. you sense the reality that with up, trump stepping here.chance >> there is no question one is

the low murmur of everyone hates gone and two, donors. >> let's talk about cruz's low wisconsin.k since the fact that he's still using this as his explanation for that ew york values comment he made run up to iowa. >> that's exactly what i meant. the liberal values of democratic politicians who have been hammering the people of new york for decades. under these liberal values. >> it's as if the new york media as laying in wait for two months for him to get here. on new york values. that answer -- horrible. >> there is not a reporter and probably including -- probably new yorkers and look at that answer and say, that's what you meant. guy who is the -- rering under the label alks right up to the edge,

clearly not what he's talking abou about. >> cruz is going to spend more ime in new york but he's clearly focused on other states. john y, the best news for kasich this week, a couple of new polls show him not in third of tedut in second ahead cruz behind trump. monmouth university poll, new york republicans. front with 52% but kasich is in second at 25 ahead of cruz at 17. there is a poll of maryland republicans, by the "washington post" and the university of trump is up only 10 points over kasich, 41% to both in his matters terms of momentum but also potentially, some delegate sorely tion which he needs. >> for sure. look, if john kasich can gets where hento a position can be a strong second to donald trump in a lot of these ortheastern states, and pennsylvania, and other places, it helps john kasich, and it -- it further impedes

1,237 s ability to get to before this thing is over. kasich is still playing that long time. improbable but this is key to it. it will work for him. >> if he can go the next three eeks which is all northeastern contests and finish second in every one or every one but one talking him another point. first would be nice and maybe maryland is close enough. could et up, connecticut set up for a good state for him. if he could steal a first in one or two places in the next three a big deal for john kasich. >> let's talk about kasich's low. binge that eating he went on in the bronx yesterday, which some of us might consider another high ohio governor struggled to break through. a huge missed opportunity in a week, where there wasn't a whole lot of other that was on the mark, you you , know, this has been one of asich's biggest problems, not winning news cycles, hasn't won many in the whole campaign but this was a prime moment for him totally failed. >> hee started out advertising

talking about biography, an ohio and washington record and now he's been talking about but you're right. other k, there was a -- two guys laying low, an opening for him to make a big splash and he hasn't done it. another example as was the case coming out of ohio, through oment where he could have seized the narrative the day after he won the primary and did an event in philadelphia. to do that kasich has not been good at seizing the moment and this is another example. ton of food in two different boroughs. return, highs and lows on the democratic side.

>> we continue our high and low lights of the week, by turning to the contentious democratic after a tough loss in wisconsin, hillary clinton has done interviews with msnbc's joe, cnn's chris cuomo matt lauer. she also did a show in buffalo this afternoon. all demonstrating that the frontrunner understands well. you don't want to hide and run media in democratic world. >> brilliant. they put her out just enough, more than they had to, to convey a since that she's been available. more than available usual. three interviews. really smart because you cannot can't play hide and seek. you can't run away and sanders is pretty available and this has super smart. hats off to her and to her staff for doing this. >> it's a funny thing. go around the country,

in important primary and caucus states all year, and the if she's not lain available, she doesn't do enough interviews but if she came here cloistered away, the howling, it would have been brutal. an >> i don't want to be totally optics about this -- >> but you're about to be. she's taken that questions from the press. what's ss is driving now on right eporter: >> the real missed opportunity clinton, for the past two days, fight has been almost entirely focused on the back and

whichover the question of of these two candidates, if either is qualified to be the tenor of the sanders' interview with the "new york daily news." like what we in the news to call misdirection. if this flap hasn't broken out it, i nton hand stoked think, the headboard thing would be getting almost all the coverage and that seems to me to a le for the clinton folks who probably miscalculated ate little bit. >> you could argue it a couple different ways. i do think bringing the question of qualifications into it, was a mistake. she could have continued to say okay he's qualified. but let -- let me add, inadequately prepared, they policy derstand foreign well enough. i'm much better. she could have made a lot more that headboard than she did. >> if the question is, is bernie a racist, she wouldn't say i'm going to let the voters decide.

>> there are some questions that. >> she would say no, of course not, is he qualified, just say, he is.se >> he's qualified but i'm better. sanders t's move to living up to his nickname. here's the senator from vermont late night with meyers doing of -- yeah, burnt. bernie, what do you think about the 1%. need all of that money for? >> if i didn't know any better i you were trying to compensate for something. >> how is it possible that some of you are paying a lower tax your secretaries. that makes less sense than the batman versus super man. >> he was good. bernie hing about

sanders is, as we've shown over a long period of time, he has a humor.ense of he's gotten be better at showing it than he was a year ago and when he gets into these does shine.e he shined on that show 100%. bernie oints for sanders. this is bernie sanders lowest low, after all of that doubling past couple of days, on his comments that hillary clinton's super pack, iraq war and aq, er position on trade made her unqualified to be president. -- her position on trade made her unqualified to be president. backed away on the "today" 14 this morning. beon the worst day she would an infinitely better president any of the republican

candidates. more full throatedly than hillary clinton did, actually said the woshgsdz not qualifiedn is and now today he's backed away from that entirely. that's such a bad move. "the view" ent on wo hours later and said she wasn't qualified. he just gave it all up. disagree with anything that you just said. bernie g up next, bernie sanders campaign manager jeff weaver is here. we'll talk to him about all of this and more when we come back.

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for bernie sanders campaign. thanks for being here. we had a little bit of a discussion. we have a lot of things to talk to you about. it's been an eventful week. let's start with the news of the day. we had the discussion earlier in the show. why does it make sense in a must win primary context for bernie sanders to get on a plane and go to italy does a couple of days before the new york primary? jeff weaver: bernie sanders obviously has great affinity for the pope and talks about it quite often but the invitation came from the vatican. he wanted to accept immediately and that's what he , did. the issue of the moral economy has been a center of his life , and we have a pope who is focused on it. i think it was a can't miss opportunity. john: but just on the politics of it a lot of people admire the , and i understand the phonetic resonance, but this is a state you must win. jeff weaver: we can talk about that in a minute. john: you don't dispute this is a very important state.

jeff weaver: no, very important state. john: so he is going to be out of this market in a hotly contested primary for a pretty long time. it just seems to me in terms of time allocation this might not be something you would necessarily want to do. jeff weaver: some things are more important than politics, and this is one of them. mark: is this trip in any way perfectly executed to help you win the new york primary? jeff weaver: no look, i don't , think that's it at all. as i said bernie sanders has a lot of affinity for the pope particularly they've worked together on this issue. i think when the invitation came through, he was deeply honored and accepted. mark: is there any chance the trip will be canceled? jeff weaver: not as far as we're concerned. mark: zero percent. i predicted earlier in the program it would. jeff weaver: by who? mark: i predicted it. i don't think you're going to. jeff weaver: me personally or anybody? mark: i don't think senator sanders will go. i think you all will tell him on, you know, like wednesday afternoon, you know what? this thing is close enough that

if you stay, you could win the primary. that's my prediction. i don't mean to play with history in the future. jeff weaver: but you do actually. but, no. i think -- mark: you're going. jeff weaver: yes, absolutely. mark: he's not meeting with the pope, right? no indication -- jeff weaver: there is no indication he'll be meeting with the pope. mark: we'll move on from this topic but i want to ask one more question. jeff weaver: of course. mark: he could lose new york by one point which symbolically would not be good. the pope will still be the pope after the new york primary. jeff weaver: god willing. mark: i don't think anyone is going to change their view of the importance he places on these issues. just to clarify if he is not going to meet with the pope is he going because he is honored? is he going because this is a can't miss conference? is he going because he thinks it would be rude to say no? why does he have to go now? jeff weaver: well, the invitation is for now. mark: you think deliver be invited again? jeff weaver: when you get invited by the vatican i think you go. mark: no matter what else you have going on.

even though it's not an invitation to meet with the pope. jeff weaver: we're going to make the trip as efficiently as possible. and we'll be back. mark: all right. let's move on. john: i want to note for the record though a campaign manager of a presidential candidate who comes on the air and says some things are more important than politics, it just raises a lot of -- a certain number of suspicions. jeff weaver: there are the cynical among us, yes. mark: why did bernie sanders, your candidate today within the space of a couple hours say, secretary clinton is, of course she is qualified to be president , and she's not qualified to be , president. jeff weaver: i think there's been a lot of what does qualified mean, right? so is she resume qualified? obviously. who doesn't think she is not resume qualified? i think everybody would agree to that. mark: right. jeff weaver: the question is has she exhibited judgment on a number of issues the iraq war, , the way she funds her campaign with big dollar money, trade deals, are there judgment issues which sort of disqualify her, which is different than being sort of unqualified. right? mark: maybe he should have said disqualified. more accurately describes it.

was this back and forth? we said on friday reflecting, was this back and forth good for your campaign? jeff weaver: well, look. i think what was important is after we came out of wisconsin with a big win, right, seven of the last eight contests, i was on cnn on the night of the victory in wisconsin, and there was a report that the clinton campaign has a new strategy against sanders in new york. disqualify him, defeat him, reunite the party later. well, clearly we were going to come into new york. they were going to sharpen their elbows. it would be rough and tumble from new york, and bernie sanders from small vermont was going to be beaten by the head and shoulders and rolled by the hillary organization. that's not going to happen. mark: so did you win? the end of the story is here on friday there is a lot of back and forth and as a political matter, you won the week on this fight over the question of -- jeff weaver: yes, the tone from the clinton campaign is ratcheted now way down. john: let me just take issue

with this one thing. you said how you thought on a number oaf educations you've been saying for months now you guys set the pace on policy in this campaign and that the clinton campaign has sort of called the tune on tone. so yesterday when you said on television that hillary clinton had made a bunch of deals with the devil -- jeff weaver: i didn't say she made a deal with the devil. the devil always wants his due. john: so what has the clinton campaign said in the last that 72 hours approaches that in terms of negativity of tone? jeff weaver: well, how about the entire disqualify, defeat, and , reunite the party later? obviously indicating they're going to go so bad in their view they'll have to pick up the , pieces later. john: no one in the clinton campaign went on television and said that. you went on television with your face on tv and said that. i'm not disputing the reporting but it is a different thing for someone in the campaign to say something to a reporter. you went on television yesterday and started talking about deals with the devil. as a tonal thing, it seems pretty harsh. jeff weaver: well, look. there was harshness being thrown at us. the message is if you want to play on that level, we're not

just a bunch of guys from vermont. right? we can play on that level. john: we get you guys are tough and everything, but what did they say that was tonally anywhere -- the question i asked at the beginning -- what did they say on the record in front of a camera anywhere close to the tonal negativity of what you said? it seems like you set the pace yesterday in terms of tonal negativity. jeff weaver: no. it started with them and we responded forcefully and their tone is now ratcheted way down. mark: you can see that when the clinton campaign puts out these memos talking about delegate math you can see things are tough for you guys? jeff weaver: i don't know what tough means. she was way over 300 delegate lead a short time ago. now she is about 215. it's going down. wyoming is going to be saturday, tomorrow. hopefully we will win there. it's going to go down. we're winning additional delegates in nevada in the caucuses. we'll win additional delegates other than what is in those charts and caucuses where we've won. mark: but it's an uphill climb. jeff weaver: of course. it's been an uphill climb since the first day.

mark: go state by state or just talk through between now and california votes, talk about how june, you're going to overtake her. just explain that to people who your supporters who say they , want hope as they keep reading over and over and hear the press say mathematically there is a certainty hillary clinton is going to win. talk through the calendar and how you catch up. jeff weaver: how we catch up we , have to win in a majority of states going forward. no doubt about that. we have to have good margins in a number of them. we don't have to win everywhere. we don't have to win every state or win every state big. mark: where are states you're going to win big and make up the gap? where does the harvest come from? jeff weaver: a state like oregon i think we'll win big. a field poll out in california, we haven't done any advertising or organizing in california. only down six points. this poll at a pennsylvania looks very, very good. a lot of states coming forward we'll do very well in. mark: so explain how you overtake her delegate lead. jeff weaver: i think we have to do well in new york. i don't know if that's a win or a close win. if it is a close win. in some ways, i think there is

more pressure on her in this contest than on us. we had 86% in vermont. right? that was in bernie's state. i don't think hillary clinton has 86% here, and i don't think she has to, but she has to do well. if she wins with 58% in new york i think it will expose her , candidacy. john: if she wins with 51% basically you get equal delegates so you haven't made up any ground if that happens. jeff weaver: right. mark: one state you cited where you'll win a lot, oregon -- jeff weaver: i think we'll do very well in pennsylvania. mark: you'll win more delegates in pennsylvania. jeff weaver: absolutely. i don't have any doubt. i think we'll do well in the two southern new england states which don't have big delegate hauls, but do have delegates. i think we'll win well in the rest of the western states. i think we'll probably gain probably 15 or 20 net delegates out of the caucus process over time like we did in nevada. mark: but back in the envelope that doesn't catch you up. ,jeff weaver: it does. mark: it really doesn't. jeff weaver: well i have a well chart. john: oh, bring that chart. your chart shows you with realistic projections of passing

her. on the night of the california primary. jeff weaver: but look california , and new jersey and a couple other state is not just california. but let's be clear. no one is going to the convention with a sufficient number of pledged delegates to lock this thing up. john: let's talk about that right now. but i will say, back eight years ago when the obama campaign, they put down their projections on a piece of paper and showed everybody how they were going to be able to, how hillary clinton would never be able to catch up. i know you don't have it with you right now, but if you have such a piece of paper, there is a precedent for actually publishing -- again, there is precedent. jeff weaver: i think they published it by accident. john: nevertheless -- jeff weaver: showed it to a reporter by accident. john: you could mail to me by accident. then we can hold you accountable to this claim. let me ask you this question. you've now said there is going to be a contested convention on the democratic side. jeff weaver: i just don't think anybody is going to arrive with a majority of pledged delegates. john: so that's a battle for super delegates, right? jeff weaver: it is a battle -- a

fight for super ballots, right. john: so what is the argument? we had an interview yesterday with the mayor of kansas city who is hillary clinton's super delegate and said i'm with her no matter what. i think she'll be the best president. nothing will change my mind even if bernie sanders has the lead in pledged delegates which you don't think will happen. what is the argument bernie sanders makes to super delegates that have been with hillary clinton forever? jeff weaver: a lot have been with her since before there was even a race frankly. sort of with her by default. john: very loyal. what causes them to abandon her? jeff weaver: well, i think we'll see a continuation of bernie sanders' success electorally in the democratic primary and caucus system, which is going to further expose the fact the secretary has some severe weaknesses in her candidacy. number two, we'll see a continuation of the months long polling data which shows that against every republican he does better than she does. in fact, many of the republicans she loses to. right? so she loses to john kasich often. she loses to ted cruz often. not only in national polls. but

state polls. in battleground state polls. bernie sanders almost always beats them all. so he is a much stronger candidate in the fall. he is going to create the kind of enthusiasm and excitement necessary to bring out a large turnout in november. he is wildly popular with independent voters. about 25% of americans are democrats. you can't win a national election by just bringing out democrats. hillary clinton is wildly popular with self-identified democrats. no doubt about that. her favorables are very high. when you go to independents, her favorables rightly or wrongly fall off a cliff. right? if you can't bring independents into the fold, you're not going to elect a president, or your not going to elect people down ballot. bernie sanders has shown you can -- he can do that in national head-to-head polls against republicans. he does better with independents. certainly in the democratic primary process he gets often 70% or more of independents who are democratally aligned. he is just a much stronger candidate who can deliver the vote in november not only for himself but for everybody down the ticket. mark: i know that senator

sanders is not interested in talking about the e-mail server, but as campaign manager you have to worry about every possible variable. is the process or the progress of the justice department of investigation something that could change the contours of this race? jeff weaver: well, i mean, obviously. you know, i don't think -- that's not what we're relying on. we are going to run this election as if that's not happening, and then we'll win on the -- mark: but it's possible from your point of view because you follow it by reading the newspaper. jeff weaver: i do read the newspaper, yes. mark: is it possible in your mind that something happened in that investigation that could change the view of the super delegates and the voters? jeff weaver: yes. anything is possible. mark: including that. jeff weaver: yes, of course. mark: when this ends, whenever this ends, and what will you tell your son you did in this campaign? jeff weaver: what will i tell him that i did? mark: yeah. jeff weaver: well, what i would tell him is i gave -- i did my small part to present to the american people the candidate with the most honest candidate who's been out there for a long time. the greatest, boldest vision for

america. i think bernie sanders has really transformed america. mark: win or lose? jeff weaver: well, i think in many ways he's already won. but, you know, we're running to win the presidency but, yes. i mean he's obviously transformed the party. young people bring young people to the process. his impact will go on for decades. john: you like that answer? jeff weaver: yeah. john: okay. very quick. you don't about electability before. you're not saying hillary clinton is unelectable in the general election jeff weaver: i'm not saying she is on electability. she has some -- there are some severe questions about her electability particularly her problem with independent voters that she can't overcome that. the problem is that after the convention, you have a very short window between then and the general election and if you have to convince independent voters that you're honest before you can start presenting your substantive message it really puts you in a very bad situation. john: all right. jeff weaver, that was a lengthy interview but delightful. jeff weaver: did you enjoy it? john: interesting. i'm looking forward to seeing the delegate chart that will convince all of us that he is clearly on a path to getting the majority of pledged delegates.

thank you. we'll be right back with all of the answers to all of your questions about all of the super delegates right after this. ♪

♪ we just talked to bernie sanders' campaign manager about what the campaign has to do to win over enough superdelegates to turn the tide in the democratic nomination fight. what is a super delegate? do they have super powers? are they used for good or for evil? huh. and the latest installment of our by the number series. we sought to answer those very questions. >> bernie sanders' big win in wisconsin tuesday night gives him 47 pledged delegates.

hillary clinton won 36. that means sanders has a total of 1027 to clinton's 1279. this math does not include super delegates. who are the super delegates, you ask? folks not elected by primary voters but automatically given a voice in the presidential nomination process because of their position in the party. examples include hawaii representative tulsi gabbard new , york senator chuck schumer, and virginia governor terry mcauliffe. when you include super delegates in the count, clinton's lead jumps. sanders' only hope to seize the nomination hinges on whether or not he can convince super delegates to switch sides. the easiest super delegates for sanders to convert are those through states that he has won like the new hampshire governor maggie hasan, but even then, his chances are slim. he still needs about 60% of the remaining delegates. that would take big wins in states he's expected to do well in, like connecticut, delaware, and rhode island. and surprise upsets in four remaining delegate-rich states

new york, new jersey, , california, and pennsylvania. so, sanders' path to the nomination is very, very tough, but to borrow a word, not un-possible. mark: ah, the junior wigham. we just talked to weaver about the super delegates and flipping them. most of them will be loyal to the clintons. and don't think, despite what the poll shows that senator sanders is as electable despite the polls suggesting otherwise. john: here's the thing. i've always thought the importance of super delegates is overrated in this sense. in the democratic party especially at a populace moment , the super delegates will i , think have a hard time defying the will of the electorate. and what no one is arguing right now is that bernie sanders -- except for jeff weaver -- is going to over take hillary clinton, going to get somehow way ahead of her in pledged delegates and that will get the super delegates who might, in other circumstances, i think a lot of them would leave the clintons

if he's way ahead, but if he's not they're not going to leave the clintons. mark: the thing is whether to defy the voters of your own state caucus primary vs. the national popular vote, who won more states or whatever. it is still going to be tough to for him to flip them. we'll be right back with baseball has been very, very good to this program and donald trump after this. ♪

♪ baseball, baseball, baseball. the return of the greatest game means three things for us. a reason to eat cracker jacks in the office, outdoor meetings

with sources, and of course, the great will leach. we wanted will to do a baseball segment so badly, believe it or not it turns out there was a perfect angle. donald trump. here's will. reporter: baseball is back. the crack of the bat, the smell of freshly cut grass, grown men running around in their pajamas spitting everywhere in sight. oh, how we have missed it so. and like everything else in american culture right now baseball is not immune from the , donald. donald trump the thing i liked : the best was baseball. reporter: stars are endorsing him. donald trump thank you, paul. :reporter: beloved yankee great paul o'neill showed up at a trump election night rally, the one with the steaks, and red sox idiot johnny damon declared, if trump needs me anywhere, i'll be there. but it is a different story in the owners' box. there is no more perfect example of an establishment republican than a baseball owner. st. louis cardinals, considered

the unofficial leader of baseball's ownership fraternity is close friends with george w. , bush and gave heavily to fame trump casualty and punching bag jeb bush. now that trump is close to clinching a nomination, many other owners' families have stepped into the batter's box to take a swing. the wife of the arizona diamondbacks owner said she and her husband were actively willing to lose fans in order to keep trump from the oval office. even more actively than the rickets family, who own the chicago cubs, the hottest team in baseball this year. the family has given millions to the antitrump pac our principles, inspiring this angry tweet from trump. i hear they're spending money against me. they better be careful. they have a lot to hide. >> if we had something to hide you guys would have found it by , now i'm sure. reporter: cubs' owner tom rickets, not shaking in his boots, said it is a little surreal when donald trump threatens your mom.

it has not actually stopped marlene rickets, tom's mom, who is responsible for this ad. >> trump scams students. he will scam america, too. reporter: maybe trump will be shut out of baseball. at least he always has football. donald trump football has become : soft. the referees want to all throw flags so their wife sees them at home. oh, this is my husband. reporter: oh, donald. there's always high life. john: all right. our thanks as always. we'll be right back with the matzo man, ted cruz, after this. ♪

♪ john: presidential campaigning in new york means serious food pandering. bagels, food, pizza, how about matzo? oh, yeah. matzo. ted cruz visited a matzo bakery in brooklyn with some children, and it had all of us saying, "oi vey." enjoy. ♪

>> ♪ >> pick up your matzo! >> would you like to make holes in your matzo? ted cruz i'd love to make it. : >> all right. yes! make, make, make a hole are you excited senator cruz is here? >> yes! >> hold on. there you go. superb. [applause] mark: on monday, mrs. jane sanders joins us right here in the

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