♪ anchor: welcome to the best of " show.th all due respect paul ryan said to count him out. mark: bernie sanders had a huge rally, and the was a debate with the new york state primary. they are maintaining commanding leads. not just here in the empire state, also in the other northeastern's dates that are voting, up next. a new poll.

the quinnipiac poll shows a hillary clinton leading bernie sanders in new york, in in connecticut, and yet, on the eve of the clinton-sanders debate, tensions are still quite high between the two democrats and their calves on issues that are very important, such as guns, wall street, and fracking. picked up his first endorsement from a senator, and he campaigned with verizon.icketing so, john, how is hillary clinton doing in an attempt to bring them into her camp while she rattles bernie sanders? john: well, there are a couple of left. doing toonk she is good a job campaigning. she had a really strong speech. the parts of the left that

hillary clinton has performed well with, she continues to perform well with. supporthoring up her with those groups. i think she will turn them out and do well. that is important for her. mark: or are a lot of bernie sanders supporters who speak very disparagingly about her. i do not know that she needs them. it may not require getting them, but i think the clinton people understand that simultaneously, if she vanquishes bernie sanders, she is going to need to do something for the people on the left and moved to the center, but i would say her greatest gift would be if donald trump or ted cruz were the republican nominee. that will bring a lot of democrats from the left. john: i think she needs those votes. if you think about that coalition that barack obama brought together, millennial, and she is going to need those

people, and she does not need the stories about how people in the democratic party are going to stay home and sit on their hands. donald trump will be bringing people out if he is the nominee. mark: anecdotally, i meet democratic supporters all the time you did not vote for barack obama. john: now, donald trump. his polling numbers are just as sketchy. trump is north of 50% in new york here and also in connecticut, which will essentially trigger winner take all scenarios for collecting delegates in those states, and -- 20 more than a 20% point lead over ted cruz and john kasich according to the polls. today, there was news that trump has now hired a man who previously worked for the republican national committee, and most recently, scott asker's campaign to work

trump national political director, and you, for all of , so, still battling openly mark, how is trump doing in the battle to try to bring establishment into his camp? mark: today, as a snapshot, not so well. the reaction i am hearing about rick being hired, oh, and good he was hired. he signed on for the front runner, but how disappointing. he is doing this for all the wrong reasons, even the people who like him. and they think it will be fine if he wins the nomination, but there is still an anti-never trump movement, and that was a period that now seems laughable when you saw stories that send we hate ted , maybe trump is better. john: you do not hear that anymore. there is a difference between --

people have written many stories, and they are correct to write them. suggesting that trump is trying to professionalize his campaign. that is a salutary sign and a sign of maturity on his part, but on the other hand, it has nothing to do with getting or theeam republicans establishment, another inside game, but it is not the inside, inside game. it has nothing to do with those. chris christie and jeff sessions, there has not been an endorsement like that. and continuing to be remarkable, ted cruz has got no endorsements since wisconsin, and marco rubio good things about him last night. trump has a long way to go. john: it is getting worse with the establishment rather than better. mark: and these numbers will change and improve once the against hillary clinton, but, leaving aside personal

attacks, which would certainly be part of a trump clinton general election, what would trump use as issues to his hypotheticala trump-clinton general election? john: well, he has had a hard time sticking with the economic message that give him the first entrée or early entree into the hearts of a lot of republican voters. he has a hard time being disciplined. if he tries to argue that he is a manager, then he understands worked in the he private sector and he understands world affairs better than hillary clinton, he can make claim to that, and i think he will try, and i think he will say, though she is moving to the left, that she is not credible on that given her husband's history and that he is more credible. mark: i think he would use immigration against her and campaign finance. i think he would go into the clinton foundation and the super pacs, and the last thing i think

he would do is economics. affiliate would not be positive, he would try to hang the obama economy around her neck. is not in histion case he will or could. he could do all of those things, but as i said at the very beginning of my rather to long answer, he has not proven disciplined. the question is whether he is able to do those things. mark: i think on foreign policy, you ask, what have you accomplished as secretary of date? a lot of democrats have struggled to answer that question. john: she knows a lot more about foreign policy than he does. coming up, our conversation with ted cruz, right after this. ♪

cruz, good to see you.

you have been here some are you have been out of the state. your campaign is on the air. your super pac is on the air. what is your goal here? mr. cruz: new york is donald's home state. you would expect him to do well, and i think if he does less than 50%, it will be perceived as a loss. we are competing on the ground. we are getting some support, but ar campaign is very much national campaign. if you look at the last three weeks, we have had an amazing three weeks. we won 11 elections in three states. john: what would be a success for you here question what would that mean? mr. cruz: listen. we welcome every delegate we can earn. when donald came to texas, we walloped him in the home state. any serious candidate ought to be able to win their homes they, and i think donald is likely to

do well, but i am encouraged. and i was endorsed as the strongest constitutionalist in the race as the person you can trust to defend the bill of rights and also the strongest commander in chief, where we have to be active standing by our allies, like the nation of israel, and standing up to radical islamic terrorists. mark: let's talk about cleveland, finishing with the second most number of delegates before cleveland. at that point, donald trump and his supporters are going to be disappointed. with few had the most delegates. what would you need from him in that scenario? what would you expect to him if you come in as the nominee? it is unclear what will happen, but i think it is getting much more likely that we are headed towards a contested convention.

we will come in with a ton of delegates, and none of us will have a majority. we will see what the voters decide on that, but regardless, what that means then is in cleveland, it will be a battle to see who can earn a majority of the delegates who are elected by the people, and in that contest, i think we will have the significant advantage of being able to assemble and really unite the republican party, and that is my focus right now. if we are divided, if we are splintered, if we are fighting against ourselves, we cannot win, so my focus is bringing the republican party together, and that is why i am so encouraged about winning election after election. john: donald trump would be disappointed. he has sort of scent signals that he would then say that the system was rigged against them, and his supporters, the hundreds of thousands or millions around the country who support him, how

do you bring donald trump and his supporters into that? mr. cruz: i am not going to predict how donald will act. this is the same as it has been since 1860. the only way to win the nomination is to earn a majority of delegates elected by the people, and whoever the candidate is, that is what they are going to have to do. up, it is going to be critically important to keep the donald trump's supporters energized and engaged, and that is the one theons why i think i am last man standing against donald, because if you look at the supporters, the heart of his campaign demographically has been blue collar workers, the reagan democrats, and the only people who has competed against them effectively for those voters throughout this primary has been made. in some states, he has won both blue-collar voters, and in other states, i have one them, and we tend to be first and second, back and forth, and the issues

that excite them, illegal immigration, the borders, keeping this country safe, and bringing jobs that bob -- bringing jobs back from mexico. mark: and without the full support for you in cleveland? mr. cruz: i certainly hope so. there is no doubt in a contested convention that that is something you worry about, having divisions in the party, so we're going to have to work hard at continuing to unite the party. one sign that is encouraging. you look at the 17 candidate who began this race, five of them have endorsed my campaign. we are endorsed by rick perry, jeb bush, scott walker, carly irina. that is really indicative of the republican party uniting, and each of those was fighting vigorously against me, and yet, we were ableeason to this is in the course of the gotles, our campaign never

personal, never got nasty, never attacked them personally. we have policy disagreements, and it makes it easier to unite when you do that, and i hope the same will be true with donald's supporters if and when we win the nomination. ask you a question. it has got nasty, any calls ted every single day. he tweeted a picture of your wife that was clearly meant to insult her. did you talk to him? mr. cruz: i did not see him. gotas gone by the time i down, but i certainly would have talked to him. john: is this political theater? if somebody talk to me like that, i would not be friends with them. there is no way we would be allies. we would not be friends for the rest of life. can this be fixed? for my fact, i try not to take it personally.

there is the old adage of the frog and the work it, and these organs things the rock, and as the frog is thinking, says why did you stay me? he we shall both dive, and says it is because it is my nature. i understand. donald lashes out when the attack, death and he is losing. we are all human beings. we all have a natural human emotion. the focus at the end of the day, it is not on donald. it is not on me. the focus at the end of the day is solving this crisis break my focus is jobs and economic growth. focus ofhat is the people in new york. they want to see high paying jobs back. mark: you do not talk about in a way that i find -- let's say you are explaining your taxes to a college freshman or a college junior. how would you explain it?

mr. cruz: yes, it is a flat tax. the first amount of money you pay zero. up up $36,000 come for each additional dollar you earn, everyone paid the same simple flat 10% tax. a gazillion or pay for same tax rate as a secretary. no longer does the billionaire pay a lower effective tax rate. then on the corporate side, we abolish the report income tax. payroll taxes, which are the biggest tax is working men and women pay, and we abolish the death tax, which is cruel to farmers and ranchers and small businesses, and we replaced all of those with a 16% flat tax that is fair and uniform. no longer tons of corporations nothing,untants pay and small businesses get hammered, and you would fill out your taxes on a postcard. you can also see the tax form on our website, and you can also have it on your smartphone, and

we abolish the irs. today is tax day. we had an extension until monday this year, but people are thinking of the burdens of washington, and especially with the obama irs. it has been politicized. it has targeted americans based on their first amendment rights. it is time to end the corrupt and mythat is the irs, simple flat tax will produce 4.9 million new jobs and will raise wages. the average family over 10 years will have enough additional $7,600 in take-home pay. that is real money for people who are struggling. lots of people would pay less, but with some pay more? it is certainly possible, and i have not done the taxes for everyone in america, and everyone sees an increase in after-tax income of at least double digits. that is when we were designing it. i worked very closely with the

chief economic advisor to ronald reagan, and that was one other thing i was looking for when i was designing it. it had to help everyone, and it had to produce growth. the key we have, whether it is unemployment, the deficit, strengthening of preserving social security, it has got to be growth, so this is designed , andrbocharge growth manufacturing jobs come back to america, back from china, back from mexico, and back to the state of new york. you would say is no, but do you have any idea how much money the cruz family would save? .r. cruz: i do not know john: bruce springsteen. you like them. they announced they were not want to play in north carolina because of the bathroom law there. hear of an artist doing something like that, do you think it is legitimate? do you think it is respectful?

cruz: he has free speech like we all do. i do think an awful lot of hollywood and entertainment latches onto what is politically correct or popular at the given moment, and my view, i am a constitutionalist, and states have rights to pass laws that are consistent with the value of their citizens, and it may be that the citizens in north carolina will make different judgment than those of new york, and that is how our constitution works. careful lawyer. is it true that you are about to start vetting potential vice presidential candidates? mr. cruz: anyone will looking to be our left and 100 days away from the convention, so you have got to do that, so we are in the process of assessing, and i would say it really is a nice situation on the republican because there is an abundance of choices. candidates.terrific

we are in the process of examining potential vice president presidential nominees, but you know what? to be a viceng presidential nominee until we win the nomination, so our focus is earning the votes from the people to earn delegates to go to cleveland. holland and in cleveland, they have to be vetted by then. mr. cruz: this will be on a fast and accelerated timeframe. will be back with the wife of bernie sanders right after this, jane sanders.

♪ mark: our guest is jane sanders, the wife of bernie sanders. sanders: both of us were born and bred here. coney good to be back at island, having so many people

out there, and south bronx, all the people out in the audience. it has been fantastic. mark: so your husband has said you may be from vermont, but you are not intimidated by this. are you intimidated to run here? not sanders: well, we are intimidated by new york. secretary clinton represented new york, but it is like home to me. anchor: your husband has made this complaint that the process has been unfair, given the way the delicate rules are nine in many cases. do you agree with that? do you think it is unfair? mr. sanders: i do not know that it is unfair, but it is kind of silly that the votes that are superdelegates, they are people who are not the voters, so that this not seen quite right.

i know this is what the republicans wish they had at this point in time. we just do not agree with that. one person, one vote. that the grandkids saying there was the same number of delegates. how does that work, grandma? what would you say? sanders: they have roles. i do not like how they figured it out, but those were the rules that were set when we entered, and those are the rules we are playing by. donald trump, you would not say it is correct or fixed. sanders: no. it is interesting to see if state by i would like to see more of a election, where you hasa date, and every state the same requirements for registration. for example, independents cannot vote in new york, and we are building the democratic party, and yet, we are keeping them out if last october, they did not

decide to register as democrats. that does not mean smart. anchor: you mentioned the superdelegates and the role that they play. you are trying to weigh them and bring them over. your message to them? what do you say? mrs. sanders: i think the key is to look at who would be best. whoever the democratic nominee is going to win the base of the party, the democrats, but who wins the independents, and whose ways the republicans? has done that his whole career. he wins independence throughout his whole career. 25% of the republicans in the senatorial election, because they said, we know you. we trust you. we may not agree everything with what you are saying, but we can count on you to do what you are saying, so i think he is a much better candidate, even predicting it that way, but if you look at all of the polls, he is doing much better. mark: more with the wife of

bernie sanders, jane anders, when we come back. ♪

anchor: we are back with one of bernie sanders's closest advisers, and occasionally his primary news source like when she broke the news on saturday at a new york rally that he had won the wyoming caucuses. jane sanders, thank you for being here again. we were talking about that a little bit in wyoming and the differences in the delegate rules, and also about the superdelegates, but but talk to us a little bit about your role, in all of this how you define , it, as someone who is campaigning for him. you are very involved in knowing -- in his advertisement making. with what you are spending time on. mrs. sanders: there's about half a dozen of us that work with bernie on anything that is necessary, so it's a strategic role, but it started with just buying the furniture for the office.

you know? whatever needed to be done was done. and now i travel with him a lot, which has been really nice. and really just talking about strategy, scheduling, and television advertising. mark: so, apparently there's one , role you have uniquely -- you are the family cpa. mrs. sanders: well, turbotax. candidate whoa says, trust me. when i release the taxes, there will be no problem but he will , not say when, how much. mrs. sanders: that's my fault. i was expecting that when they were due, we would be releasing them. mark: how about the prior years. mrs. sanders: sure, if i can find them. file, buthave been on we have not been home in a month. weeks ago, the clinton campaign or somebody asked, and we said of course we will release them,

and we will. mark: if donald trump or some other candidate said, "i will release them eventually, trust me," would you say, "that's them"there is nothing in or would you say "we really need to see those?" mrs. sanders: i would expect that when they were due, they would come out. every year, i have asked for an attention -- extension but will , not do that this year. every election, we have released them. mark: but you will release your returns question mrs. sanders: yes. mark: but you will release your whole returns, not just a summary? mrs. sanders: we did when he ran for election. mark we look forward to that. :mrs. sanders: can i have time to go home? mark: sure, but you are saying there is nothing in them?

mrs. sanders: nothing. we are pretty boring. mark: you have your senate income. what else? sanders: social security. i sold my mom's condo at the beginning of the year. mark: pretty simple return? sanders: yes, pretty simple return. anchor: let me ask you about -- this is more on the republican kirk couple or however you want to describe it about the melania trump and heidi cruz that came out, with the attention that is being paid to wives and spouses. do you think this is fair? are spouses fair game in this? mrs. sanders: i do not think families are fair game. spouses themselves act in a supportive role. we are not playing partisan politics to criticize people as , they did, as trump did for heidi cruz for her looks -- that is ridiculous. first of all, she is a very

nice-looking woman, but beyond that it's just not nice to make personal attacks against anybody, let alone the spouses. i think it is fine to ask questions of them. if we are here, you can ask questions. mark: are you leaving for italy with your husband? mrs. sanders: i am. yes. mark: the new york primary is an eight days. you're spending two days -- you are spending a quarter of the time left. mrs. sanders: actually, one and a half. we will have events on saturday. so, i mean, we are in new york. we have been in new york all this time, and we will continue through the election. we have been in new york a lot more than secretary clinton has with her fund-raising trip, everywhere. mark: does anyone on the campaign think it is a bad use of time? or does everyone think it is the right thing to do? mrs. sanders: everyone thinks it is the right thing to do. mark: what will you do there? mrs. sanders bernie will be : talking about the location of a moral economy. that is an invitation you do not want to reject.

i mean this is quite an honor, , and it is something that he feels very strongly that pope francis is an excellent leader and that the issues he talks about are very similar to ones that bernie talks about. mark: you do not want my restaurant recommendations because you're coming right back. next time you go, i will give them to you. bill clinton. the other day, he made some remarks about, and clinton was theg heckled by some, and press jumped on one of the things he said, and he said he was tempted to apologize. , that think the politics the press and political opponents seize on one word, cherry pick on one word often rather than looking at the totality of what you said? criticism of the political process, do you think? mrs. sanders: i would definitely say that. it's crazy that the story is the gaffe.

the story is the mistake. it is not with the intent was. i think bill clinton probably regrets how he handled that buttion or -- questioner, he was thinking about other things, as well. mark: i would say that you are right, but i would also say that your campaign occasionally has done that to your political opponent. is that a fair thing to say? that you will sometimes take one thing that secretary clinton has said and exacerbate or exaggerate it? mrs. sanders: i don't know that that is true. i think that is politics today. i know i always try to see what she meant and the context. when it fits with the overall image that hillary clinton is trying to project or does not fit with it, then we might put it out there, but it is always in an overall context. mark: overall context, ok. anchor: you might not want to go here, it may be premature, but a

-- you say if he does not win in the new york world, it is over for sanders, and he should not go on at that how do you think point. about this over the long-term? a must win? mrs. sanders: no, and that is the question that has been asked in iowa and new hampshire and ohio and everywhere. everybody keeps on thinking he cannot make it. you have to mimic, when he started, nobody took him seriously. the media did not cover him all through and now they are 2015, starting to, and he has 18 out of the nine last contest -- he has won eight out of the nine last contests. i think he needs to do well in new york, and if he does well in new york, which is his opponent's state that she represented that says a lot. ,i think what we are looking at is momentum and how people are feeling. we are in an enviable position. i think.

the more people hear about bernie the more they know about , him, the more they like him. that is a really good place to be. it is unfortunate they did not know more about him before. we did not decide to run until may -- or april. mark: superdelegates from i guess. mark: superdelegates from massachusetts, a state hillary narrowly, but she won, should they be free to go with the voters? mrs. sanders: my feeling is with 30% of the votes that you need, the superdelegates most of them , have been elected to represent their state, so i would think that those representing their state would look to when you have a very large margin, 2/3 or more, that i would think that would be a given. i know that is how i would comport myself if i were elected. mark: so if it is not close, the superdelegates should be free to vote either way, but -- mrs. sanders: the thinking was that they would be able to use their judgment.

mark: use their judgment to say bernie sanders is better than hillary clinton even though the state voted overwhelmingly for hillary clinton? you'd think they should support bernie sanders in october the majority of voters? mrs. sanders: no, i think they should go with the majority of voters. i think so. as i said, the majority, a big majority, but a small majority, i mean -- mark: so if it's close, they should use their judgment, but if it is a big margin -- sanders: i think they will do mrs.sanders: i think they will do whatever they want to do and i'm not here to direct them, but it seems more fair to have people, when bernie wins 70% or 80% in the elections, that they follow. mark: when we have you back, we will talk about hamilton. mrs. sanders: it was great. mark: jane sanders, good luck on the trail. john: when we come back, my conversation with ice cube on the day of his induction into the rock 'n roll hall of fame.

right after this. ♪

♪ john: one of this year's inductees into the rock 'n roll hall of fame and undoubtedly one of the most deserving is n.w.a. i met up with one of the group's founders and certified rockstar ice cube. let's just say it -- it was a good day. hisalked him at -- about movie, and we also spent a lot of our conversation talking about politics, starting with the ways in which n.w.a. was from the start a defiantly political act. ice cube: we said you are about to witness the strength of street knowledge. meeting -- meaning you are about to witness a knowledge coming off the streets or out the streets that you may not have ever witnessed before. we just wanted to be real. we just wanted to be honest. street knowledge is a term to me

. it means letting the streets know what the government, politics, police, whatever authority figures are doing, up to. exposing them. and also, letting who the -- if the politicians are listening, letting them know what the streets think and how things are going. and hopefully, there's some understanding that can be made in all of this. john: you became like a flashpoint in a lot of ways. what was that like? to experience that? when you look back on it did it , seem totally crazy that you guys were at the center of so much controversy? ice cube: yes, it was weird. itdid not think about what was to speak on compton, but it was great. realize and had to grow up real fast because we , felt the powers that be were

kind of converging on us at the time, and it became a freedom of speech issue. the pmrc, led by tipper gore, and you had delores tucker and countless other people coming out of the wood works trying to say that, you know, music was the cause of all evil in the world. we knew that was not true. john: the movie comes out last year, "straight outta compton" at it comes out at this moment when you have got ferguson, baltimore, staten island -- all these incidents of police brutality, and it was a lot of the stuff you were talking about in 1988, 1989, was super relevant again to a bunch of stuff that was going on. ice cube: in a lot of ways, it's a shame that the same thing we were going through is the same thing that is still happening and not too much has changed , with the behavior of the

authorities on just realizing that, you know it's not cool to , prey on your citizens. it is just never cool. john cole at one of the things going on, when "straight outta compton" came out, the beginning of the black lives matter movement. ice cube: one race in the culture is being treated unfairly, and it's probably more than one, probably a few being treated unfairly by the system, so that has to be addressed. and i think the fact that you even have to say black lives matter lets you know how bad the problem is. people who do not understand the black lives matter movement need to understand when you feel that the government is against you, who is going to be with you? john: bill clinton was giving a speech down in philadelphia, and a bunch of lack lives matter protesters came and tried to shout it down.

and they were upset. they remember back in the 1990's when hillary clinton, talking about gang members as super predators and used that kind of language to justify the legislation her husband and all those kinds of people passed. super predator. that's what people used to say about n.w.a. and the culture they were presented. it seems crazy we are still having this conversation in 2016. ice cube: to call your own citizens super predators is pretty harsh, and it's a pretty big indictment. you know? it's like the term thug or hoodlum. you know? it isn't easy brush to paint somebody with, and it's not solving the problem. it is just making it worse because now you have authorities feel like, ok, now they are justified in how they treat these so-called super predators,

and what is that? who is that? i mean, specifically, who are you talking about? because the thing back in the 1980's, daryl gates and the lapd , they did a war on gangs, but if i'm a black kid that is not in a gang, but i look like a gang member to this white officer, then it's a war on me. so that's the problem with a term like super predators. and for some reason, democrats feel like they are exempt from these protests. they are like "we are democrats. , why are you talking to us like this? go talk to republicans." no, no. ofryone is a little guilty turning their back and passing bad legislation and everyone should be called out on it. john: that makes sense to you, the black lives matter, to prosecute that case.

ice cube: of course, because she might be president of the united states, and if she becomes president of the united states, we need to know what she is thinking, how is she going to handle this, and how she is going to fix this. she helped create it in a way. how are you going to fix this? john: do you have a point of view about donald trump? ice cube: donald trump is what americans love. donald trump is what americans aspire to be -- rich, powerful, do what you want to do, say what you want to say, be how you want to be. that has kind of been, like, the american dream. so he looks like a boss to everybody, and americans love to have a boss. so that is his appeal to me. do i think he's going to do anything to help poor people are -- people that are struggling? four no, because he's a rich white guy. ,how can he relate, you know?

he has always been rich. being rich does not make you bad, i'm not saying that. but i'm just saying -- how can he relate? how can he relate to the small guy? john: a lot of people, even before he ran for president, when he was one of the leaders of the birther movement, loudly going around that president obama was not a legitimate president and that he was born in tenure. something that is racist. how do you feel about that? ice cube: i'm still mad he took down the usfl. i think that was a cool league. especially for the summer, but anyway, no, you know? it is like he sounded crazy to me then. you know? i can see raising the question, but once you get the answer, man move on. , to still harp on it and live a that you are sending investigators, and all of this stuff to me was just a guy who could not say that he was wrong.

john: right, and what do you think about -- do you have any thoughts about bernie sanders? feeling the bern at all? talking about the 1% and calling for a political revolution? ice cube: to me, it's like he has been there 30 years, and what have you done? you have been up in there. what are you going to do different from outside congress? what is going to happen different? where you been? you know, so -- all of them, to me, got work to do to get my vote. john: thanks. i want to think ice cube, and we will keep you updated on the cube primary. we will be right back. ♪

♪ mark: starting the week, we will be laser focused on the critical new york primary on tuesday. donald trump and hillary clinton

april 19. are the heavy favorites, but as we've seen, anything can happen. lots of great guests starting monday. we will see you then. thanks for watching. sayonara. ♪

carol: welcome to "bloomberg carol: welcome to "bloomberg businessweek." this week's issue stars of the , annual design conference. how states are paying the price for allowing discrimination, and why central bankers may be running out of ammo. it is all ahead in this week's bloomberg businessweek. let's go meet the editor. ♪ carol: i am here with the editor, alan pollack. in this week's design issue, you highlight super thinkers, original thinkers, kind of working on the next big thing. that includes the folk