fantastic 4/20 all you fans of the demon weed and those that love them. we will try not to make any revert-- you know to need, reefer references. there's new york voters with new york values have spoken. the outcomes were even better

for donald trump and hillary clinton than expected. we will talk about clinton later, but trump's empire state romp earned him closer to the magic number of 1237 delegate needed to secure the nomination, thus avoiding a contested convention. this afternoon, the washington post reported on an internal trunk campaign memo, protecting that the donald is on track to collect 1400 delegates by the time the race is finished. his new york victory speech is getting extra buzz, in part because of his traditional, which is to say not-trump demeanor. gone were the lying ted insults and antics, it was a trump on message, a new more forward-looking front runner. mr. trump: we don't have much of a race anymore based on what i'm seeing on television. senator cruz is just about mathematically eliminated. we have won millions of more

votes than senator cruz, millions and millions more than governor kasich. [applause] we expect we are going to have an amazing number of weeks, because these are cases, and they are in trouble. when you look at pennsylvania, indiana, maryland and rhode island and 70 places, we have -- and so many places, we have problems everywhere you look. we are going to solve those problems. [applause] and one of the big problems is the economy and jobs. and that is my wheelhouse. john: donald trump had a rally in indiana, in which she seems more like the old trump. line ted -- lying ted was back. but as carefully meditated as it was, what clues did you see as he intends to close out the fight and win of the nomination? mark: he said lying ted today. two big clues for the election. one is, talk about the economy.

growth,n talk about 2% people having anxiety about the future, he can win the general election. and two, trying to be more dignified and more focused. to win the nomination, he is on this message of getting the most votes. and if he is short of a majority, i think you will argue with a lot of passion. i got way more votes, i should be the nominee. john: we will come to that later in more detail. the economic focus is interesting. it's something that people around him, the new and old regime, and others facet for a long time -- others have said for a long time, trump is strongest when he is focusing on the economic theme. it seems-- you could argue the foreign policy arguments, that in a time of terror, he might be in another place. i think he will have a hard time winning a general election by the way. it is clear from that speech that he thinks that the economy

is the ticket. strikingly, they got him to actually stick to it last night. mark: we did not show it, but less might he recognized -- last night he recognized some of the business leaders in the room. he cannot win a general election unless he's the candidate of business. a democrat like barack obama, bill clinton, they win. he put a down payment on that last night. donald trump acting a bit more presidential. ted cruz tried to act unfazed by his weak third-place finish in new york last night. cruz is campaigning in pennsylvania, where he called for a one-on-one debate with child ahead of -- with turmp ahead of the next primaries on tuesday. in those states, cruz fights it out with john kasich for second place. meanwhile, cruz'campaign manager was at a rnc meeting in florida where he met with party leaders and announced the campaign has

not million dollars in the bank. -- $9 million in the bank. onlyys his senator is the alternative to the stop trump republicans. there is a prospect that kasich will do better than cruz, maybe not every state, but overall. if cruz finishes mostly third, does that hurt the stop-trump movement? john: it does not in and of itself. i think the cruise campaign is not focused on these states. they are looking towards the western states. looking at nebraska, south dakota, montana, some in california, to be able to score big wins in those states to stop trump. cruz is still on track. there are momentum and narrative questions. they mean something, but i am not 100% convinced that donald trump having a big night last night and on tuesday will hurt ted cruz with the voters of montana and brusca. mark: that is the question. -- montana and nebraska.

we talk about iowa and new venture as the early momentum. there is an early period when it's about both. if cruz does poorly in the northeastern states, he may do better in delaware, but if you kasich, i think that is bad for him. he needs a compelling case that he has momentum going into indiana going out west. a bad night in the northeast. cruz says he can win penciling it in a general election. if we can't beat trump in a primary-- john: there was this john weaver memo from john kasich campaign, making the argument that the never-trump forces failed. what might unearth the movement if cruz and kasich somehow dilute each other's impact. kasich on his own in these

northeastern states could hold trump's margins down and take delegates await. they may end up in a murder-suicide pact. mark: the exit polls from yesteryears --from yesterday's and here's a primary shows 68% of new yorkers said that if no republican candidate gets to 1237 before the convention, the nomination should go to those with the most primary votes. probably methodically certainly donald trump. even if the party thinks there is a better candidate out there. that is precious ammunition for the trump campaign, which is been trying to convince delegates that they deserve to win, even if falling short of that magic 1237 threshold. mark, there are obviously arguments, but are any of those arguments powerful enough to trump the trump argument? mark: very hard to trump the trump argument, especially if he wins the popular vote. the strongest is that this is a

popular organization. as what kasich and cruz are are going, based on electability. that trump cannot win a general. that has to be there strongest argument. in july to election will be insight. that is the best i think they will have. and wehe reality is, have various people hurling trump -- people heralding trump's rise -- the bottom line is that donald trump goes to the commission with fewer than 1237 delegates, he would be a historically weak republican nominee. mitt romney had the magic number by this point in the contest 4 years ago. mark: oh no he doesn't. he had about 100 more delegates than trump. john: so when did he actually lock up? mark: normally you become the de facto nominee, everybody quits

and gives up. trump is not that far behind. john: that bell rang way too early. mark: we will talk more about that topic, believe me. when we come back, hillary clinton's victory speech and bernie sanders' spinmaster meltdown of sorts after this word from our sponsors. ♪

mark: six blocks from here last night, donald trump gave his remarks, celebrating his victory from trump tower. hillary clinton addressed the room at the same time that it later. celebratory songwriters and the sheridan, where she gave her own

clue ridden victory speech about how she would unite the democratic party, and issues she would campaign on in the days ahead. sec. clinton: to all the people who supported senator sanders, i believe there is much more that unites us than devise us. [applause] we are going to keep our families safe and our country strong. and we're going to defend our rights. civil rights, voting rights, workers rights, women's rights, lgbt writes, and rights for people with disabilities. donald trump and ted cruz-- [boos] vision for america that is divisive and frankly dangerous. returning to trickle-down economics, opposing any increase in the minimum wage, restricting a women's right to make her own

health care decisions. [applause] john, looking at clinton's speech, what indications are there that you see about how she plans to position herself against sanders in the general? john: well, against sanders, she is not going to say that the race is over, but is quite clear that she believes it. mark: the end is in sight. john: she says in a exquisite way, there is more that unites us than divides us, that is 18 you will hear all the way through to philadelphia. -- is a theme you'll hear all the way through to philadelphia. on the republican side, they will destroy the country can be horrible in every possible way. a very contrasting case. she will have things to say that a positive, but so much of what is clear about the another's of this race will be very negative and contrast driven. an assault on republican extreme

is. mark: people talk about micro-targeting campaigns, sending messages to specific groups. the content -- the clinton template plans to do that. they will send messages to african-americans, hispanics, to women, to single women. john: all with the same message about how horrible republicans are. mark: on guns, on reproductive freedom, on all sorts of things. but i will say if she can get bernie sanders to endorser, raise money for her, she will be in a lot better shape. she needs to improve her numbers. john: oh my gosd. mark: but last night i thought she can continue her run of strong for mrs.. when she is a week candidate she looks, a lot easier to be. campaignnie sanders' has been in serious spin mode since his lost in new york. but the future of the campaign has been confusing. late last night, the campaign

manager will be on the show shortly, telling msnbc that whatever the state of the pledge delegate count after the voting ends on june 7, team sanders plans to fight to merge superdelegates all the way to the convention. then centers' -- then sanders' senior advisor told decision press that they plan to "sit back and this is where we are" after the primaries next week. they quickly walked back at comment, saying that the campaign will stay in the race until every state has voted. here's what divine said on cnn this morning. >> we have to do well next week. we lost a few more delegates than i thought we would. we are a little farther behind in delegates then we hope to be. i hope if we do well next week, then we can get back on course to have a pledge delegate lead by the time voting ends. >> we lost more than we thought we would. we thought the race will be a little bit closer. but we can still do it. john: mark, the magnitude of

sanders' loss is greater than anything expected. -- than any side expected. what you think is the prospect that bernie sanders will actually get out of this race, reassess, and stop campaigning before june 8? mark: it does not seem that way to me. she will not have gone fully over until the last day. he wants voters to hear his message. he wants every possible delegate he can to strengthen his arguments at the convention. i think he wants to continue -- i hate this word, but am getting use it, he wants to continue the journey he is on. [laughter] john: the trek. i think the real question is, what happens from june 8 forward? i have no doubt he will campaign until june 7. there is a question about the tone he adopts, what kind of attacks he launches. that is the number one thing that is still in issue. i don't know the answer, but he may back off a little. after that, i think ted

knows that if they are behind in pledged delegates, they will not be out trying to convert superdelegates. that would be a fool's errand this summer. thinkthe one thing that i will be interesting question, he calls for her to release her speeches, those hard contrast. they still have a lot of money, they have to spend it on something. and does he want to build a movement that is durable? let's say that he's not the nominee. does he want a movement that he leads from the senate, and is there a way to build that or not? john: and have it be a big force in the democratic party. mark: we will ask sander's campaign manager jeff weaver about all these questions. no more speculation, from the horses's mouth right after this. ♪

mark: bernie sanders woke up facing a larger delegate cap hillary clinton. 's winning streak now over. questions swirling about what will happen next with his campaign. we have questions, and luckily we have someone that can answer all of them, campaign manager jeff weaver, who joins us inside the military -- inside the beltway. jeff weaver, good afternoon, good evening. >> how are you gentlemen? mark: tad devine has said some stuff, till is clearly and plainly, what is sanders' intention in terms of how he will conduct himself and what his goals are?

jeff: the goal is to win the nomination for president. that remains the goal. it is an attainable goal. the senator is feeling good. we have five contests coming up next week. starting tomorrow, he will be campaigning in philadelphia. he will go back to pennsylvania. we have four other states. fighting hard for those delegates. john: jeff, which of those states do you feel like you have a reasonable prospect of winning? jeff: i certainly think rhode island will be a positive state. i believe that pennsylvania is externally competitive. i think we have a shot in connecticut. we will fight for the other two as well. mark: if last night, i think you guys have been pretty clear it was not as good as you hoped it would be. when we last talked, you said you had a secret list in your pocket that showed you had to get to a majority of elected

delegates. after last night, do you still have such a list? jeff: absolutely, we updated it. it is a dynamic document which is updated to reflect the reality of the number of delegates. mark: named three states that are left to vote besides california where you think you will pick up substantial net delegates. jeff: we have the opportunity to do great in pennsylvania, do extremely well in oregon. i think indiana is very competitive right now. going through may, i think that's going to be a great month for senator sanders. he has the opportunity to do what he did before new york, which is run the table. a lot of states with a lot of delegates, new jersey's and others, where he will do well. john: jeff, let me ask you to clarify something you said last night on msnbc about flipping superdelegates.

it was a relatively truncated discussion. for the sake of argument, let's stipulate that at the end of the voting, we wake up on june 8 and secretary clinton is ahead in the popular vote and ahead in the pledged delegate count. is it your contention that you will spend the summer trying to convince superdelegates that senator sanders should be the nominee? jeff: we would have to substantially closer delegate lead that the secretary currently has. if it looks like it does today, that would seem to be frivolous. if we have substantially closed the gap, if senator sanders has a run of victories, if the general election polls continue to show what they show now and have consistently shown for a couple months, which is that he does better against a republican than does the secretary. in many cases, she loses to john kasich, and in some cases ted cruz. it does make sense in that case. clear,eff, just to be you say there is a circumstance in which you can be behind in

pledged delegates and behind in the popular vote, and you would still think it was appropriate to spend the summer trying to convince superdelegates to switch to senator sanders away from secretary clinton? jeff: right, given what i just told you, yes. within the context. mark: have you ever been to the clinton headquarters in brooklyn? jeff: i have never. i am waiting for my invitation. mark: i think the place must be filled with thinking couches. -- fainting couches. this is been one of the most mild battles in terms of rhetoric i have ever covered in terms of two candidates, and yet they really get upset when senator sanders or your campaign says anything about her. nonetheless, there is this fetish with the clinton campaign, bernie sanders continues to criticize secretary clinton. on issues like her wall street speech transcripts, on issues like her position on wall street, on the iraq war, senator sanders will back off or

escalate rhetoric? jeff: this campaign is a comparison between candidates. on the substantive issues, including how people raise money -- how you raise money is a substantive issue that demonstrate commitment to real timing -- real campaign finance reform. he will talk about the differences on fracking, wall street, climate change, minimum wage. those clinton people that say, fine, let him keep running, but he should ramp down the rhetoric that could hurt clinton, you say what? jeff: i have to say what they have seen in this campaign, this is been a mild campaign -- in the event that the secretary becomes the nominee, the kind of firestorm she will face from the republicans will make this look like nothing. jeff, obviously it's true

that she would face a lot of criticism from cummins. -- from republicans. the concern is that you are criticizing her on her character, her judgment, suggesting she is not qualified at one point during the new york primary. now accusing them of breaking the law on campaign finance, that those are giving ammunition to republicans that will eventually be deployed against her. what do you have to say against those charges? jeff: first of all, i think those charges are baseless. the question of judgment has been a question from the very beginning. her support of the iraq war being a prime example of her bad judgment. let's be clear, those of us that no politics know there is a book on secretary clinton that is three feet thick. there is stuff that we have chosen not to go near that they will rollout the day after this if sheion is sewn up, does that. they have plenty of high paid people.

republicanonding david brock's, who have been doing research on secretary clinton and also as well, they have plenty of ammunition. mark: jeff, a real quick answer, if senator sanders is not the nominee, will he stay in the democratic party? jeff: he said he is a democrat, and will be the democratic nominee. mark: but he is a member of the democratic party for life? jeff: yes he is. mark: jeff weaver, thank you very much. we look forward to talking to you now and next tuesday, when some of those states are voting. across the aisle, will get the republican race with a leading strategist, goes by the name steve schmidt, after this word from sponsors. ♪

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joining us now is a former advisor to john mccain, political analyst, steve schmidt. happy 4/20. important day for both of us, i know. this morning, on "morning joe," you were insistent that donald trump is going to get to 1237 by june 8. donald trump will be the nominee. what gives you that confidence that you are sure it is going to happen? guest: if you generously apportion western state wins to ted cruz, you look ahead to california. 170 plus delegates, winner take all, 20 point lead, difficult for me to see any scenario where he does not clear 1237. the worst is he clears it by 60 or 70 delegates.

we will be around 1300 june 8. mark: if you took over the ted cruz campaign tomorrow, what would you do? guest: they have been trying to narrow this to a two-person race from the beginning. there was a danger for donald trump that he would be in the position of having to fight and way race to the ideological right. i think the litmus test is not ideological. it is a strength test, and donald trump has trumped ted cruz on that test. , when he tries to make this a two-person race, comes in behind in new york. if i were john kasich, i would say i will give you your two-person race. guest: exactly. that was a bad night for him last night, you know? comingu look at cruz

into northeastern states, he will lose momentum. a real tough time in this part of the country. that is mitt romney right there has been a split in the anti-trump vote? guest: we talk about the never trump movement. for practical effect, it does not seem to be potent. i understand there are hashtags, but not an organized effort with effectiveness. no one is making the argument. people say, never trump. i will support the nominee of my party. thatdermines the argument no one is saying in public what people say privately about donald trump and the republican

establishment and leadership. that speaks to why the movement is weak. mark: what are they saying privately? guest: that he is not fit to be president of the united states, psychologically, temperamentally. no one is making that argument publicly. reluctant to say what you would do if you took campaign,urz -- cruz if i gave you $100 million, what would you spend it on? guest: he would stop him on temperament issues. the most powerful political ad lbj,he daisy ad against using images of the north korean leader, mushroom clouds. you would make a temperament and character attack. you would remind people that the president of the united states

is the most powerful person in the world, since atop the command authority. commander-in-chief of the most powerful military in the world. i want to ask you a question about today. we woke up this morning. from atrump got praise lot of people for his speech last night. different donald trump. he did not say lyin' ted. he said senator cruz. he was in indiana calling him lyin' ted again by the afternoon. how do i read that? is he back to his old tricks? guest: there is a distinction between the speech he made where a lot of the country is watching in primetime. you have just won an election. it is not a rally setting. you are talking about the next stage of the campaign. you are articulating why you should be the nominee, president

of the united states. you start to transition into the general election messaging. indiana is a contest he will have to compete in. he is going at ted cruz hard. we get ready for the next contest, but the difference in tone on election night, when we are weeks away -- that is the biggest significance. wouldn't you try to impose a presidential demeanor on trump if you are in the campaign? guest: the issue is not the use of lyin' ted. the issue is comportment. can he comport himself the right way at the right times? can he showed the dignity required of the american head of state? cheney gave ack spot -- speech saying he should

not be the nominee, would that hurt his chances? guest: at one point in time, it would have hurt his chances. dick cheney is a respected figure in the republican party. but it is late in the day to make that argument. mitt romney is a person inside the republican party that has a lot of affection, respect. effect a speech and the was not particularly injurious to donald trump's chances. john: steve schmidt, thanks for stopping by. come back soon. we will be back in a minute, talking about donald trump. so fast, your head will spin. ♪

mark: we are talking trump for a change. haveournalists that covered them well. her finger in her ear. must be loud. trump you are at the event. was there a different trump last night? >> we have seen this evolution the last couple weeks. his speeches at rallies are more structured. we are seeing fewer tweets, fewer late-night grants on twitter. it komen aided in this speech last night that was very focused in this speech

last night that was very focused. he did not name call, did not take questions from the audience. another change is this talking point memo the washington post has you obtained from the campaign. talk about why this memo about delegates and message is distinctive and represents a change. >> it is really different. otherure of the candidates can attest to this. in the 10t seen this months he has been on the campaign trail. they clearly had some talking part,, but for the most it seems as if they were able to do what they wanted on television. to have talking points that lays out core principles of the campaign, gives them things to say about hillary clinton, who will build a wall, the plan

behind building the wall and the muslim ban not being referenced is a good idea. onememo says he is the only with the guts to propose something with this. there are folks behind the scenes who have run traditional campaigns in the past. indication that that donald trump himself may become a more traditional politician. -- sources iners the campaign that say this is a bad idea, that donald trump has succeeded this far by being anything but presidential at -- and a politician. there are those that believe in order to get the nomination and go to the general, he will need to achieve being -- change his tune. john: there is a lot of talk

betweenternal strife broader forces. how debilitating could it be? >> it is very true. , donald trumpear had a very small core group of people around him. they did not have much experience. sometimes, it felt like a reality show, you know? a group of people brought together to win an election. and then they were winning. they were having successes. they were not only doing well in the polls but doing well at the polls. they feel like they have done their part. they have found the secret recipe. but this has become a delegate fight. donald trump has decided he needs to go back to old tried and true methods. that is why he brought in seasoned people. john: but the infighting is bad,

debilitating? or are they accommodating? what is the deal with that? >> for now, people have specific jobs. they do those jobs. every now and then, it sounds like there is friction. but i also think that donald trump has said everyone is happy and will get along. i am the boss. you report to me at the end of the day. they are making it work for now. we will see. john: one question about that document, the memo mark talked about. 1400 delegates for donald trump. it out in detail? >> i am looking at it now, and it does not necessarily lay it out in detail. a lot of generalizations. we will close the door on other

candidates getting to 1237 before the convention. not very detailed when it comes to talking points. the campaign feel strongly they will do well. over 50% from internal projections. they believe they will get past when they get to the last primaries in california and new jersey. the prospect remains to be seen. there are 54 unbounded delegates in pennsylvania. they are already making a play for those delegates. they did not do that in wyoming or colorado. i asked about this last night. the partythey believe colorado and wyoming and it would not be prudent to waste money. pennsylvania, they believe the message resonates more.

exactly how they get the number is not laid out. mark: thank you. go enjoy the rolling stones. thank you. coming up, we take a look at the northeast. if you are watching us in washington dc, you can listen to 99.1 fm.omberg radio, ♪

♪ with new york in the rearview mirror, the press is defending on the republican committee meeting in florida. as well as presidents tuesday. we could not get to all of them, so we called in salina and ch

jennifer.d thanks for coming on the show, ladies. jennifer, what is going on down there? >> we have been looking to see if this is a big never trump rally or is about welcoming him into the fold. not seeing it. everyone is subdued. complaining,earing seeing him raising. they say the win in new york was baked into the cake. notpeople i talked to do know if it will be a contested convention, despite what ted cruz said to reporters, that it definitely will be. the committee members are not convinced. have you heard

anything that struck you as genuine news? talked a little bit down there today. what struck you as new and important? >> there is concern, rumbling about our sponsors and businesses trying to avoid our convention. there was a lot of chatter about the memo the rnc released that they are at $130 million for the presidential cycle so far, a record for a cycle when they did not hold the white house. $11 million for last month. they are just not worried about it. one member said they think this is a democratic plant, the narrative the convention is in trouble. big waiting list for press row. there is just a lot of speculating. mark: let's go to salina.

thank you for joining us. seems to me pennsylvania should be trump country. is that right? >> i think all three of them have an argument, donald trump and kasich more so than cruz. gop primary,s there are 71 delegates, 54 are free agents that can go with whoever they want to. 2 who are all 16 running for delegates. of them, almost 70 said they will go whichever way the congressional district goes. 25 said they would go with cruz. 19 will go with trump. kasich and cruz have been working the delegates. trump had his campaign reach out to them. i do not think he has personally

called them yet, but the other two have met with them personally. trump leads in the polls in pennsylvania. wherell see one tomorrow he has pulled further ahead with kasich in second. kasich was born in pittsburgh. there are similarities between most of pennsylvania outside of philadelphia and ohio. john: christine, connecticut coming up. winner take all by congressional district. proportional if no candidate reaches over 50%. can donald trump get 50%? >> he is definitely getting over 50% of the vote. i believe you will take all of connecticut's 25 delegates up for grabs. connecticut is a small state. there are three superdelegates that could go whichever way they choose. i think next tuesday, we will and on the democratic

side, hillary clinton victorious. says the kasich campaign john kasich could stop donald trump in the fourth and fifth congressional districts. is that possible? >> in connecticut, kasich comes in second. about 28% of the vote. he is coming back here on friday for a town hall. he was in the lower part of the state earlier. i think he has the support of the republican establishment here. there were no republican officials at the trump rally last friday. take one able to congressional district. john: we have 30 seconds. is hillary clinton likely to win a new york-sized victory in connecticut? will it be that they? her nine to have

six points ahead of bernie sanders. we may see bernie sanders in new haven on sunday. yet.s not given up john: thank you again. we wish we had more time. when we come back, hamilton, the musical, sort of. we will be right back. ♪

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