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john: welcome to the best of canh all due respect" we show. donald trump and hillary clinton won the new york primary. bernie sanders went to rome and andrew jackson lost his spot on the -- to harriet tubman. trump took an interesting position on a transgender issue and got us thinking whether he is taking positions other principle or for politics. contestresidential speeds on. a democratic fund-raising hall. first, a trump town hall. sarah palinday that
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came out against espn's firing of curt schilling over a facebook post about transgender bathroom laws. trump himself was asked to that issue on "today." he called a push for such laws discriminatory and said he believes the transgender individual should be able to use whichever bathroom they choose. have been verye few complaints the way it is cap people go, they use the bathroom that they feel is appropriate. there has been so little trouble. and the problem with what happened in north carolina is the strife and the economic, the economic punishment they are taking. >> do you have any transgender people working in your organization? i don't know. >> if caitlyn jenner were to walk into trump tower and wanted to use the bathroom, you would be fine with her using any bath and she chooses? mr. trump: that is correct.
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mark: those comments made it today town hall. true an immediate -- drew an immediate reaction from a right-winger of talk radio. agreed cruz: donald and attacking the state of north carolina for passing her bathroom ordinates. let me ask you, have we gone stark raving nuts? are there any parent of daughters here? i'm the father of two little girls. here is basic common sense. strangers, men, should not be all alone in the bathroom with little girls. >> no problem with lg bt bathrooms. if you think you are woman at 2:00 this afternoon, want to use the ladies in, have at it. noyou are a woman, go in, problem. we will see if there is any blowback on that. taken a position
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that could hurt him in his nomination fight and helpful in the general election. taking this position out of principle or the sense of the politics of it? john: well, i think the answer is as principal. of course, is suggest something not flattering about trump, which, in my judgment, trump is probably a social liberal. his position on abortion is the real position, what he really things about abortion. today he talks about he is for the three exceptions. i think on this issue he is like most new yorkers. he is basically a social liberal. ithin his heart, he knows helps them politically in the general election. these two other gentlemen, they are incredibly crude and how they talk about this issue and have no respect for people who are transgender but trump is begin from his heart. potentiallearly has political benefit. if trump can take the sting out of social issues in a general election, issues of tolerance
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that a lot of young voters care about, if he is the nominee about economics and about competence, his chances of winning are a lot greater. i think it is leading with his heart, but helps them politically and he knows it. john: i'm sure he knows it. mark: i -- the question. one of the bigger overarching questions is when trump makes the pivot to the general election as all nominees do, how much, how many positions, whether on the mexican border wall or any other issues that he has stated in ways,ase pleasing throwing red meat to the base, how is he going to walk back? if he walks them back to where he probably may actually be, if you look at his history on these issues, will he get called on that for hypocrisy or just simply benefit him and the way -- ? even the best political minds disagree over the biggest question -- can donald trump collect the 1237 delegates he needs before the july convention
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to earn the majority? listen to two of political guys we respect most. haley barbour and republican strategist steve schmitt. >> if you generously apportion a couple of western state wins to ted cruz. you look at northeastern states coming lookahead to california, 170 plus delegates, winner take all by congressional district. 20 point lead. very difficult for me to see any scenario where he does not clear 1237. i think the worst he does is he delegates.y 60, 70 he will be right up around 1300 when we wake up on june 8. you are pretty good vote counter. is donald trump on track to get the majority of delegates? >> he has to get 58% of the remainder. he has been getting in the 40's. in percentage of the vote new york is the first time he
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has gotten over 50%. itself, it makes a givenr, but it is not that he is going to be able to get 1237 through, by the time of the june 7 primaries. mark: do you think it is possible and likely but not definite, is that accurate? iti think it is more like, is the most likely outcome. i think it is less than 50%. john: haley barbour pegs it as less than 50%. mark: the question, will he or will he? o-- or won't he? one what easy way is to break the contest down this way. there are 15 primaries break them up into groups of 5, 3 of them. first they are the five northeast states that both this coming tuesday. then there is the five, including california. and wind down the race on june 7. a lot of focus on those two days with five contest each.
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but let's not talk about a different state contest it may. -- in may. on that month, you have got five additional contests, totaling 199 delegates spread across the month. contest in indiana, nebraska, west virginia, and then to on the west coast, oregon and washington. after those states vote with 199 delegates, that is more than the northeast states voting this coming tuesday. we are going to have a much clearer picture of whether trump actually can get the delegates it is going to take to gain a majority before the party heads to cleveland. problem,he handicapping these five states, is there is almost no polling in any of the five. given how the three candidates stack up in those may contest, indiana, nebraska, west virginia, oregon, washington, what do you think the controversy just about who is more right, haley barbour who says trump has got less than a 50% chance or steve schmitt who says sure thing? exercisedid this math
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and a different way a few days before steve and haley had their views. i continue to think haley barbour is more right than steve schmitt. i think the numbers are daunting. you look at these primaries in the middle of the month, in may. indiana is an open primary. west virginia is an open primary. the open primaries are good for donald trump. those are states he would probably do well in. but the basket, solar to a lot of states in the plains that ted cruz has done well in. oregon and washington, both states were john kasich should be competitive. it seems to me that if you think about what trump needs to do, the percentage he news to get of delegates, this could not be, may not be a great month for him. the only clear winner of that group is west virginia. all four of the other five could be ones were he finishes second. mark: could be but i will say this. steve smit will be right if required lee and the other new folks and the additional spending are brought to bear.
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five contest over the course of the month. they are spread out. you have two of them on may 10 and the others are on their own day. it gives them a chance to go in the states and try to leverage trumps advantages -- big spending, big rallies. open questionan how good these five contest will be for trump, but i think if steve schmitt is right and these news guys -- new guys are able i think trumpame, could win all five of them. nebraska is the toughest. i think it is possible trump could win four of the five. john: he could, conceivably, given the outcome so soon after the contest on tuesday, he could be on a little bit of a roll and that could have -- get favorable media coverage if he wins all five next week or four out of five, that is possible. he could continue to build through. the overall, it just, again, the absence of polling they said
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hard to figure out. i will say the real question to me is, how hard is june? there is no place where he can -- he can come off the gas. he has to do well in may. how will this he have to do in june? winner take all states in june and montana and south dakota and those states are good for cruz. mark: in indiana, oregon and washington, case it could be a player. states spread out over the monster year of to ask yourself what if we seen that. we saw in wisconsin, state by itself. trump did not do well there. but there were a lot of factors working against him. his ability toen campaign and spending money and his new team's ability to work the thing, i just think trump's advantages in a three-way race with these two guys, i think schmid is overstating the case. i think haley barbour is understating it. john: you are being mr.
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goldilocks. or forms,ink if trump or think everybody agrees he is going to perform very well next tuesday. these five in may are key. if he lives up to 80% of his potential in these five states, i think he will be on the doorstep of winning. and will not need to absolutely kill on those five contest in june. the: i think one of questions you have to ask -- you think about those states in oregon and washington. john kasich has no money. donald trump has a lot of money. what happens in the pacific northwest, what is your view about that? mark: they are close contest, that makes it tougher for trump. gote states have conservative parts and more moderate parts. i still believe that there is no reason to think they are not decent trump states. they are states that are going to be open to different aspects of his message. they are states that tend to care more about free trade, because they are so connected to the pacific. , less good for trump
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because the trade issue may not play as well. john: up next, our conversations with steve schmitt and more after this. ♪
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mark: joining us now is republican strategist, former senior adviser of john mccain, schmitt. analyst steve happy 4/20. john: important day for both of us. question. this this morning on morning joe you were insistent, emphatic, no question in your mind donald trump is going to get to 1237 by the end of them nominating contest. up, donald trump will be the nominee. what gives you that level of confidence that you are for sure it is going to happen? i think if you generously
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apportion a couple of western state wins to ted cruz. look at the northeastern states, you look ahead to california, 170 plus delegates, winner take all by congressional district. 20 point lead. very difficult for me to see any scenario where he does not clear 1237. i think the worst he does is he clears it by 60, 70 delegates, right up around 1300 when we wake up on june 8. mark: if you took over the cruz campaign tomorrow, what would you do? steve: they have been trying to narrow this to a two-person race and i think there was one point where the great nature for donald trump was that he would be in a position having to fight in a two-way race, to his ideological right. but i think that moment is passed. i think the conservative litmus test is not an ideological one. it is a strength test. donaldumped -- and trump has trumped ted cruz on
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that test. ted cruz when he has tried for so long make this a two-person race comes in third place in new york behind john kasich, someone he called for to get out of the race because he simply a hindrance. i will give your two-person race, buddy. i finished second. steve: i think ted cruz, it was a really bad night for him last night. and so, when you look at cruz coming into these northeastern states, he is going to lose more momentum next week. have a really tough time in this part of the country. john: is mitt romney right, the fact that this is a three-person race? there has been a splint in the -- the split in a anti-trump world? talk about the never trump movement. for a practical effect, it does not seem to be very potent to say the least. i understand there is hashtags but there ismp,
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not an organized effort with any effectiveness aimed at stopping him. the argument makes no sense. people say, never trump. well, will you support trump as the republican nominee? i'm going to support the nominee. both cannot be true. and it undermines the argument that no one is saying in public what people say privately. about donald trump and the republican a leadership i think that speaks to why that movement is so weak. unfitay in private he is to be president. he is unfit psychologically, temperamentally, he is unfit ideologically but no one is making that argument publicly. mark: you were reluctant to say -- what you would do to take over the cruz campaign. if i gave you $100 million and say, stop trump, what would you spend it on? steve: you would try to stop them on temperament issues. you would go back and revisit -- the most powerful political ad
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in america history was the daisy ad in 1954 against lbj running against. goldwater, using images of the north korean leader, mushroom clouds, the instability of the world and late night tweeting. you would make a temperament and character attack. remind people that the president of the united states is the most powerful person in the world, sits atop the national command authority as commander in chief of the most potent military in the world and that possesses the weapons to extinguish life on the planet as we know it. john: i'm going to ask your question about just today. we welcome up this morning, donald trump got a lot of praise from a lot of people for his speech last night. anderent donald trump it one of the things everyone sees is the stupa thing but a small thing -- did not say line -- lying ted cruz. now calling him lying ted cruz by the middle of the afternoon.
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is that a sign that the new discipline is not effective as we thought it was? what do we make of that? aeve: i think there is distinction between the speech you make where a lot of country is watching in prime time. you're just won an election. it is not a rally setting. you are talking about the next stage of the campaign. you are articulating a vision why you should be the nominee. why you want to be president of the united states, where you are going to. he started transition into the general election messaging. indiana is a contest he is going to have to compete in. he's going at ted cruz hard. in the light of the day, the day after in the state as we get ready for the next contest, the difference in tone on an election night when we are weeks away from their states -- and everything else around the podium is significant. worry ifldn't it you're one of the forces trying to impose a presidential demeanor on trump? would you not be, my god, he's
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at it again. steve: i think the issue is not the use of lying ted. the issue is comportment. can he comport himself the right way at the right times? can he show the appropriate dignity required of the american head of state? mark: less than 30 seconds, one s dickr older bosse cheney said that donald trump should not be our nominee. will that her trump's chances? -- hurt trumped chances? : at one moment of time it would have her trump's chances. i think dick cheney is a -- inside the republican party. it is late in the day for anyone to make that argument. mitt romney is a person inside the republican party that has a lot of affection, has a lot of respect. he went out, he gave a speech. the effect of that speech was not particularly injurious to donald trump chances. steve schmitt, thanks
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again for stopping by. come back again real soon. mark: we will be right back with howard wolfson after this. ♪
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>> a lot of speculation in the changes beingtaff made in the campaign. what is your take on those? >> i think it is a natural evolution. you have to transition to the general. we have a pretty clearly. that transition is going to be great. mark: are the new people being brought in to take over? >> they are brought in to do specific tasks. i think it is going to be very important to the campaign and the evolution of the campaign. mark: who's running the campaign? >> my father.
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my father is always running it. mark: that was donald trump jr., talking over some beeping car -- talking earlier about reports of a campaign shakeup intention and trump land. here to talk more, kim alfano and howard wilson. and former communications director for hillary clinton's 2008 campaign, lady, gentlemen, thank you for being here. kim, we have not had yuan in a while. what is your view? >> last time i had terrible predictions. john: what is your view of donald j trump, billionaire politician? i will get roundly abused on twitter and on the internet but i have to say he is masterful. lasts done, i think, the cycle we got into this it was politics of the news cycle. now i think it is politics of the tweet.
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and no one does a better than him. he can say something outrageous one day and look you in the eyes and say, i never said that. or say something more salacious and get you moved off it. john: are you impressed by donald trump as a new york politician? >> very much so. i think both of the candidates will win today are going to win because they are real new yorkers. whatever you think of them. and because they have real familiarity with the new cycle and the press corps here. they both look like they are very much in her element these past couple weeks. mark: you've seen campaigns in disarray up close? how does the trunk campaign seemed to be handling the personnel changes from afar? howard: so, every campaign at some stage does go through some additions. and the question is whether they are real additions or whether they are additions by subtraction. i think that remains to be seen. campaign manager can coexist with the new people they have brought on, maybe they can
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create a better environment for chance of success. but it also silly has the possibility of being a huge falmlame out. mark: how would you appraise ted cruz's chances? kim: i would say 50-50. unchartedd, territory. it is about the mastery of the process. ted cruz is doing a brilliant job of talking to delegates and going out in the traditional ground game, on steroids. underestimate trumps ability to say, you changed full forty or something to hijack it back. john: what do you think is the biggest, two part question, what you think is the biggest mistake sanders made in the last two weeks? and what would you do next? howard: i think the biggest was not setting
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expectations a little lower. i just did not think he was ever going to win new york i think she was very much on her home turf. she is very comfortable in this environment. and he was not going to win. had himsure i would've as aggressively contest the contest as they did. i might've suggested harder that he was not likely to win because this is her home state. and i think people would bought that. but it seems as if he sort of went all in, other than the trip to rome. it will be seen as something of a lost. john: what next? howard: i think at some point think they are going to have democratseassuring that he is not going to continue to bash hillary clinton on a daily basis. at some point you have to worry about unifying the party and you need to take your foot off the gas a little bit. end,an compete to the raise all kinds of money but if you're going to be calling her criminal, that she has violated
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campaign-finance laws, that is not helpful. i think you will begin to see a lot of people in the party say, you can contest this fiercely on ideas, but cool it with the ethics and personal attacks. mark: how do you feel about the effectiveness of trump attacking the republican national committee? kim: i think he has done a great job because simultaneously he is doing the same thing everyone else is doing -- he got his guys out there. if you do not think they are doing the same type of operations -- mark: what does he get out of messaging that way? either gets to take it way it comes. he gets to be an charge of what happens to matter what happens. he gets to 1237 he gets to take, unify the party to he doesn't, and they switch something or there is a second ballot scuffle or third ballot, he gets to say it was rate, it is crazy. and he gets to explode and try to win over by pressure his people pressuring them. most optimistyour
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dictionary of the party coming out of cleveland united and strong with a strong nominee? kim: john kasich takes the v.p. mark: with the party be united if that happens? kim: understand, this is all for geeks like us. august, and when the actual campaign starts, it is all a memory. nobody will have gone through this delegate mess like you guys did. nobody will even remember all of this, in my opinion. yeah, the party nights because they want to win. john: jkim, howad,rd thank you. mark: we will talk to tad devine when we come back. ♪
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our first guest tonight
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may be feeling a little yesterday'som massive bernie sanders rally in prospect park, brooklyn. want to talk about the news today. you guys are complaining, upset, unhappy following --- filing complaints against the clinton campaign for his coordinated fundraising in hollywood. tad: we have concerns. there has been a lot of theseing about the way joint fundraising committees are operating. the clinton campaign appears to be holding out to the public they are doing this great service, raising a norma's amount of money. it appears what is happening is just the opposite. funneling effect into their campaign. they're paying overhead costs, spending millions of dollars for low dollar donors. there is one statistic, they spent $4 million to raise $3.2 million and low dollar contributions. it should be looked into, there should be transparency. john: are you suggesting they
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are violating the fund-raising limits? questionink that is a that needs to be investigated. there is a limit of 27 hundred dollars for individual contributions. we need transparency. we certainly, i tell you this, our campaign is not going to be involved in a system that is not in full accordance with the law bernie's concern that many of the things, the reforms that president obama try to of lament with party fundraising, not taking money from lobbyists, that we are moving away from that. he feels should we be moving in the opposite direction. hasrds a kind of system he developed himself and implemented in this campaign which is to move away from super pacs and for lianting tu people to fund the campaign. john: let's talk about the race. a secret he had document showing the past nomination for bernie sanders. assuming you do not win 60-40 tomorrow, is there still a mathematical path? tad: there is.
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i see the skepticism of this among the ranks. follow it very closely. i've spent a lot of time county delegates through the years. just in the last couple weeks, we have made ground. we picked up a few delegates over the weekend in colorado. a lot of our people showed up even though there was a blizzard in denver. i believe we can get there by the end. by get there, i believe we can have more pledged delegates than hillary clinton. john: give us some example of some dates where your make a big -- some states where you will make scores of delegates. that's good. [all talking at once] 1675 pledgede delegates left a be selected. we have to make less than 200. in places like oregon where i think we will have a very strong victory. like we've had our west in other places. there's 807 pledged delegates on
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the seventh of june, including california. winould be in a position to across the board and california. and when a substantial victory and make up a lot of ground there. and caucus states. the caucus process is a living delegate calendar. it is as backloaded as the delegate allocation calendar is frontloaded. we are going to continue to win delegates in those processes. three or four there. you win for delegates and a state convention and your opponent, that is 8 delegates. that is how we are going to do it. in some places, a little at a time. and a couple of the days of voting, a lot of the time. john: answer the question -- every state i is seen so far when bernie sanders had time on the ground, he has close the gap and won those states. here, he has not moved the
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needle in new york. why has the needle not moved more? tad: we will see how far the needle moves to drop. the real clear politics average of michigan was down 21 the day we won. day. give him one more but i agree with you. we have not seen the kind of public poll movement we have seen elsewhere. i think that is due to a couple things. one, independents cannot vote in new york. restriction -- was many months ago when you could change parties before we began to grow. clinton'ss is hillary home state. and she is well known and well liked here. she has real standing with voters here. likelyhe electorate is to be 58-42 female-mail. -- female-male. if you were out there yesterday with 30,000 people and hopefully tonight we will have another, in washington square. you can feel it. bernie really does get things going.
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we hope to have a good day tomorrow. and next week we have got five contests and we want to win all across the states as well. john: you are not predicting a win tomorrow? tad: no, i'm not. you caught me saying we're going to win wisconsin. and i did, i felt that we could win there. even the clinton poling said we were 25 down in nevada month out. decided we were going to take a long and difficult road to the nomination. by the way, we are beginning to at theator bennett colorado convention -- senator leahy said the same thing -- senators endorsing hillary clinton saying, i'm going to take a look at who has the most pledged delegates when this is over. i think the more people who start saying that in doing that the more it is going to be apparent that there is a road for us to begin to pick up more. role back and forth on the of super delegates. totally fine from your point of view to witness by having superdelegates put you over the top? tad: both candidates will
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need superdelegates. has more pledged delegates, you think it is totally fine to reverse the lead by winning more superdelegates? i thinko, because they're superdelegates have an obligation to do what is right for the party. john: up next, barry bennett from the trump campaign after this. ♪
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john: what bb king is to the blues. barry bennett, senior adviser donald trump's campaign joins us on set. explain to me how it is that the assertion your campaign is making 1400 pledged delegates. explain how that is actually plausible. youy: once you get to 1238, probably have 1600.
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the parade starts and people start jumping on board. this phenomenon -- we see now with an explosion in the polling the last few days. ted cruz is now finishing last in all of the northeast states. john: that would suggest you're going to get to 1237 before june 7. one is that going to happen? what day do we get there? barry: i think it is in june. john: what contests are there? barry: we have on pledge folks. tweetdoes mr. trump's represent the position of the campaign, that you think that ted cruz and john kasich should quit the race? barry: he admitted yesterday there is no way for him to get to 1237. he's been disbelieving the laws of math for a while. i mean, if you can't win, there is no way him going to a second ballot gets him anything other than watching some established in person become the nominee.
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all these people who are helping them now, we'll pretend they never met him by the time we get to the second out. mark: i want to come back to the point you made, should they put the race over not? have: i think they campaign really hard but ted cruz lost every county. finish last in every county in new york. mark: can i get you to look at the camera and say ted cruz, john kasich, you should quit. barry: i think it is time. mark: they should quit? suggested if somehow you do not get to majority and i know some say you will get to the majority, but let's say you did not, you said that ted cruz would not win on a second or third ballot, someone else would? barry: no, he's a trojan horse for the establishment. ryan, mitt romney, marco rubio, whoever they choose. ted cruz, as you guys both know is one of the most unpopular persons in washington ever. they did not fall in love with him. they are using him.
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john: but washington does not take the nominee, the delegates do. barry: the establishment, they are the ones trying to get to a second ballot. mark: he has got the second delegates. he is still winning delegates. barry: third ballot, everyone is up for grabs. john: you concede you guys might not get to 1237. barry: no. possibility,s zero it is guaranteed you will get to 1237. 100%. mark: haley barbour says it is less than 50%. barry: i don't work for haley barbour. mark: explain the confusion because you have a vested interest, in saying of course she will get it. says you will never get there. but haley barbour seems impartial in this. he seems pretty friendly towards mr. trump. he says not a done deal, less than 50%. where is the disconnect between those who are disinterested
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parties who say you definitely will and those who say less than 50%? barry: because they are not looking at current polling. if you look at what is happening in the states in the last 10 days, ted cruz is really falling hard. i don't know why take a look at the fox national poll, he fell 10 points. now he is finishing last behind kasich in rhode island and maryland and pennsylvania. it's, connecticut even. he's just not connecting with voters. mark: who's running her campaign now? barry: donald trump, first of all. corey and paul both. mark: who do you report to? barry: i report to paul. john: you used to report to corey. barry: they are both higher on the food pooll than me.
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john: who told you you are now working for paul as opposed to corey? barry: corey. the washington offices under paul. ofk: there has been a lot reports about friction, a lot of contention in your campaign about this change, -- paul was hired to run the convention. now he seems to have a bigger role than that. at the level of contention right now within the campaign on the scale to one-10, with 10 being the most internal friction, where are you at? barry: everybody i talk to, there is so much work to be done. people are just doing their job. john: everyone is happy. if they are turned off. mr. trump giving a foreign-policy speech in washington next wednesday. barry: you would expect them to give more policy speeches in the coming days. mark: what other topics? barry: whatever policy issues present themselves. is there teleprompter set
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up in his office for him to practice? barry: don't know. i am not in his office. he was very good on the teleprinter. mark: is there teleprompter set up in trump towers? barry: not that i'm aware of. mark: you guys are going to start spending more on tv ads. when will that start? barry: starting right now. mark: will you advertise in all 15 remaining states? statesthe proportional going from 45% to 50% get you two extra delegates. i would not spend $2 million to do that but i would in california and indiana. mark: do you have polling in nebraska? barry: no. john: is there any other state that you think you can win? barry: um, no. john: they are all winnable. know endorsements are not a huge deal. you did get the endorsement of
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this christie and ben carson. no other big-name has endorsed since those. maybe 10 congressman. you know what i'm saying. no senators, no governors. why not? are you all not soliciting them? barry: we are not soliciting them. mark: why hasn't anyone come forward? you would think someone would say, hey, that idea to get on board. barry: we hear from someone every day. time, we have enough are campaigning for delegates. not campaigning in washington -- mark: chris christie mentioned texas. ben carson is working very hard to arabic name people that would get a lot of attention who want to endorse and you have held them off? barry: they are members of congress. you can decide whether or not -- senators -- the house guys. john: i want to come back to
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this. kind of amazing, 15 states, still to vote and yet you are guaranteeing you you're going to have to 1237. you stake your reputation on it. barry: yeah. you have six or seven different paths to 1237. john: we can put you in a dunk tank? your should the rnc let campaign play a bigger role in planning the convention? barry: i think they have a role to play and they have got to be neutral. we will get there. the program is the most important part of the convention for us. we are working hard on the rules committee. a lot oft experience of that. we will be fine. mark: have you been giving input on the convention? barry: we have been getting updates. we're waiting. mark: till you go over. as sayingwas quoted that the rnc does not enough -- have enough showmen.
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barry: we are not like the democrats who have people with a lot of entertainment experience. mark: clint eastwood? barry: we could bring out "god bless the usa" back out one more time. the chair -- john: barry bennett. i am looking forward to that dunk tank. don't.you go in if i john: you can also listen to us on the radio at bloomberg 99.1 f.m. we will be right back. ♪
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mark: next week we will be laser focused on some big primaries, maryland and connecticut. we will see if donald trump and hillary clinton can lock this up soon. in this election, anything can
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happen. lots of great guests, starting monday on "with all due respect" thanks for watching. sayonara. ♪
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