john: i'm john heilemann. mark: and i'm mark halperin. and with all due respect to the traditional etiquette, that escalated quickly. ♪ mark: hello from washington, d.c. on this very amusing wednesday after donald trump's five state conquest. he and ted cruz trying to get media domination. donald trump gave a major speech on foreign policy, complete with teleprompter, following that up with a rally, featuring chair-throwing basketball coach bobby knight in indiana. today, cruz had his own.

in indianapolis late this afternoon, the texas senator short-circuited the process by naming carly fiorina, formal republican presidential candidate as his running made. >> after a great deal of time and thought, after a great deal of consideration and prayer, i have come to the conclusion, that if i am nominated to be president of the united states, that i will run on a ticket with my vice-presidential nominee, carly fiorina. [applause] mark: fiorina also spoke. after being introduced, she took a shot at the republican front-runner, donald trump. >> donald trump and hillary clinton are two sides of the same coin. they are both liberal, we know that. but, hillary clinton, like so

many politicians, she has made her millions selling access and influence from inside the system. and donald trump has made his billions buying people like hillary clinton. mark: so what does donald trump himself think of this pick? he gave a window into his thinking this morning, more than nine hours before cruz made the formal announcement, as rumors swirled. hisbillionaire was making sleepy voice victory lap into some morning shows and reacted to the possibility of fiorina, on "good morning america." >> i think it would be a bad choice. i mean, she did not resonate, not because she is a woman but carly did not resonate at all with the people. she will not do the trick. i like her and she is a nice person, that she never resonated. she did not do well. she was very low in the polls and by the end she was an insignificant player. bring carly back

it is ok but that is not the right person. mark: following the fiorina announcement, his son eric tweeted the following. this is truly one of the greatest acts of desperation i have ever seen. eric trump was not the only one to say that. so john, was this a good move for ted cruz was this well executed? john: i have seen a lot of desperate acts in my time, i work in journalism. but this is pretty desperate, the desperate act of a desperate campaign. police said previously the cruz andbetween ted kasich is desperate, this is double-dog desperate. it gives off a wiff of weakness. it changes the conversation a little bit between trump's win last night, and may be useful in the short-term. but i do not think fiorina will help cruz one iota. john: the press is saying it is

desperate, gimmicky. i think fiorina has the potential. the two of them get along, to go out there and help them when indiana. this is a stage by stage thing. get throughneed to this next stage of they want to stop donald trump. i think she is an aggressive campaigner and could help with the female voters around indianapolis. the press will say this is negative because it looks desperate, but i think it is positive. i do not think it will help much. the race you pick a good running made is to prove you have good judgment. trump will attack us mercilessly. i think the main challenge for cruz is to dominate the conversation. he will dominated today with the gimmicky pack -- pick. most of the things he has pointed out about carly fiorina, despite her looks, the fact that

she did not resonate with republican voters, was not a successful candidate, the notion that she did not get anything done as a presidential candidate suggest that the help she is going to give is minimal. i think running mates for actual presidential candidates do that much for their candidate. the top of the ticket is what you are voting for. this is hypothetical. mark: this would've helped more if it was a surprise. this has been the worst kept secret in republican news four days. if they had done this in a huge rush as a huge surprise, it would've been a better deal -- bigger deal. i fall their execution. donald trump, billionaire, give a speech of a very different tone than his typical exercises. the front runner was relatively --e and had a helicopter

teleprompter, describing in broad strokes how they would handle the troubled areas in u.s. adversaries. >> i would like to talk about a new foreign policy direction for our country, one that replaces randomness with purpose, ideology with a strategy, and chaos with peace. ust offime to shake the res of american foreign-policy. america first will be the major and overwriting team of my administration. under a trump administration, no american citizen will ever feel that their needs come second to the citizens of a foreign country. [applause] >> i will view as president, the world through the clear lens of american interests.

i will be america's greatest defender and most loyal champion. we will not apologize for becoming successful again, but will instead embrace the unique heritage that makes us who we are. john: there are a lot of reactions to this speech, which we will talk about next. it is no surprise that one of the harshest critiques came from ted cruz's campaign which blasted one of his new advisors after claiming that trump failed the presidential test, the cruz statement continues, he must fully identify the role and involvement of mr. manna for that is recognized for his entanglement with corrupt foreign regimes and anti-democratic rulers. question, in terms of policy and politics, how do you rate the trump big foreign-policy speech? mark: the haters hate it, they

say it is not specific, it is inconsistent, it is not distinctive. if you took trump's name off it, and show the speech. it was well organized, well .elivered i thought it was just fine and presentation and delivery, and the terms of policy, taking away the hatred of trump and the belief that he is a fake and a phony, a lot of the things he was talking about, if the executed them, would reorient policy back in line with the public. i thought it was pretty good. compared to hillary clinton or george bush, fine. mark: come on. hillary clinton as a candidate gives extremely detailed foreign-policy speeches which we have praised on the show. this speech had done of that. mind, maybe a

speech he would give someone a pass on that was a republican candidate a year ago, i candidate standing on the brink of winning the nomination who expressed a bunch of bromides and did not say anything of substance, as your knowledge, i have no idea beyond general platitudes and principles. i have no idea how to apply those principles, and in some cases he sounds like an interventionist, restrained. he has a secret plan to do that, but will not tell you what it is. how can i possibly judge's argument? you, intee i could find am not going to look for, but i could find you three paragraphs that would give more specific detail than anything you could find in donald trump's speech. mark: for a first foreign-policy no more specific than -- john: nothing less speech gave

me the confidence for him to be commander in chief. mark: mixed reviews. the republican chairman praised his party's front-runner, calling the remarks an important step for the tone of the presidential race. others were not so nice. donald trump got his share of bipartisan panning from the right in the last joining together in anti-trump harmony. they criticize both his substance and style. former republican presidential candidate, the senator from south carolina, lindsey graham tweeted, are we sure the guy is running the teleprompter with the pages in the right order? also, he might be one of two people running our country, don't laugh people, go knock on some doors. john, a lot of negative reaction. i do not mean to overstate how good it was, but what does the

strong reaction, often similar from the left and the right say about what he will face on foreign-policy and the attacks in general if he is the nominee for november? john: he is unusual in this regard. normally a presidential candidate, hillary clinton gives a speech and the left likes it in the right attacks it. he has members of his own party in the establishment criticizing him. he is going to hear a lot of criticism when it comes to things, especially in these areas from people in his own party and that is what he will face throughout this entire race. mark: no one has faced the double-barreled criticism. a lot of this will be reflected. other weaknesses? of course. does it lack specifics? of course. would a speech like this normally face this kind of pounding from both sides? no, it would not. the corker thing was distinctive.

that is what he is going to me. he cannot win a general election if he is fighting a two front war every time he opens his mouth. john: i think that is what is going to happen. some of the criticisms that he is a stupid person, and unserious person, you could make an argument for those cases. but, the bottom line is on many issues of policy, people like lindsey graham disagree with donald trump. it is not just that they hate him. they think he is wrong. mark: i will say one more thing quickly. reporters checked their objectivity at the door. the guy is probably going to be the nominee and they mocked the speech in a way that was unprofessional. john: i don't think you would disagree that all major party nominees deserve scrutiny. and donald trump is owed it on the fact that he is not given a foreign-policy speech on any dimension. mark: agreed. john: when we come back, donald trump defending his comment that

hillary clinton is doing better in the election because of her gender. actually says she was only doing well because of her gender. we will talk about that and more after these words from our sponsors. ♪

♪ john: welcome back. with all the news, it is easy to forget that last night was huge for the front runners in both parties. let's start with hillary clinton who won four out of the five states. she is increasing her delegate

lead over bernie sanders is said in an interview with the new york times that he is planning to lay off hundreds of campaign staff members across the country and refocus all of his re-forces -- resources on california. donald trump did not just when all five states, but well above what we had projected at the high end of what he might rack up. that led florida governor rick "stop trump" these campaign to stop. he says if they don't stop now, their efforts will be nothing more than a contribution to the clinton campaign. where do these victories leave the democratic and republican races? mark: neither clinton nor trunk and secure for the last day of voting, but she got what she wants, her path now will be much easier. sanders saying he will lay people off only helps her. clinton could not have done any better. and trump could not have done

anything better in terms of the narrative. he was called the presumptive nominee last night. rick scott is on the cutting edge here. republicans are starting to say it is over unless he loses indiana, but trump is one win away from enough to say to people, and this thing now. the presidential race is about math in momentum. hillary clinton extended her insurmountable lead. bernie sanders will not win the pledged delegates. it is over on the democratic side, effectively unless there is a political lightning bolt. momentum wise she has it all. trump, it is all indiana now and largely over. there is one last shred of hope for the anti-trump. mark: trump dangled fundraiser -- fundraising in front of rnc members to help those this out. the speech was not the only thing that donald trump was getting flack for today.

by now, you have heard that part of his victory speech last night -- trump tower where he said hillary clinton is only doing well in the race because of her gender. we will show you this, even though your party seen it, because we have a hunch you will hear a lot about it if donald trump does become the nominee. let's go to the videotape. >> i think the only card she has is the woman's card. she has nothing else going. if hillary clinton were a man, i do not think she would get 5% of the vote. the only thing she has going is the woman's card and the beautiful thing is, women do not like her, ok? look how well i did with women tonight. with trump defended itself that comment on the morning shows but a lot of people are raising their eyes. it struck me as something that would be pounced on. will this hurt him questio? john: yes.

it will hurt him. he seems blind to female voters in the country. that was not the comments of somebody who understands that he is right now polling with 70% disapproval in women in the country, and he has to fix that problem if he is ever going to be president of the united states. the only made the problem worse. mark: bernie sanders can take on hillary clinton on a lot of fronts, but to question her qualifications, given that she was secretary of state, first lady, a senator from new york, it is not a winning tactic. there is no doubt this will rub a lot of men and women the runway. to say she is basically not qualified except by the virtue of being a woman, take mistake politically. john: that comment sounds off key and offensive. out,uart stevens pointed females in won with 2012 and donald trump has to fix

this problem. when we come back, our friends join us here right on the set, right after this.

♪ mark: joining us now, two guys we call the purple people, steve .cmahon and alex costello on they are our polling partners and a lot of who know a lot about politics. thank you gentlemen for coming in. alex, you have added trouble with donald trump being the nominee. are you now fully accepting the reality that that is what is going to happen or are you holding out hope that it will be interceded? alex: i think he had this thing won in march. he nearly lost it, and has won

it back. you are seeing the republican party becoming a lot more comfortable. the price of denying trump the nomination is so clear to everyone, that it would be so distracted. that is part of the bandwagon effect, rallying people around him. it would destroy the party to deny it to him. mark: is there anything he has done, that you say, surprises me, that is a guy that could win a general election? steve: he has gotten a little more daft, but this thing with cory lewandowski, reverting to his old self is an interesting one. every time he puts the fly seven ask presidential even a little bit, you can start to see a candidate that is evolving and perhaps maturing. but then he goes off like he did half the time last night and he seems to regress.

i think if he runs a temper tantrum campaign he will get destroyed but if he runs a good campaign, he will get beat. >> i think hillary clinton has never run against someone with 10 arms and eight legs. tell me what happened today with ted cruz, putting carly fiorina on the ticket. >> i think it was a clever strategy by ted cruz to ghettos delegates -- to get her delegates. i have no idea. it doesn't make any sense. this is the guy that asks the girl to the prom and she says no and he is still making dinner reservations. except not do anything demonstrate how irrelevant he is becoming, and he has value in the process for one reason, he was an alternative to donald trump. no one ever wanted ted cruz. when it turns out the donald trump succeeds or fails, we noun

do not need ted cruz. he is completely irrelevant. >> i think he got a little jealous because he heard john kasich was interviewing and having vice president for candidates betting -- vetting. help, hurt, or just a wash. irrelevanthe is so at it actually hurts him, it reinforces the fact that he is desperate and irrelevant. john: you both agree donald trump will be the nominee. there is no question in your mind? >> i have been hoping for some time this would be the case. >> this year, the impossible has a pretty happened, so who knows what can happen tomorrow. could he lose indiana? yes. there is a chance he falls a handful of votes short and still gets the nomination. maybe they steal 200 votes from

them and and i have the nomination and the party blows up. i do. think that is going to happen. i think he will be the nominee. mark: rick scott read a statement earlier asking to stop the stop trump movement. do you think after donald trump wins indiana, that will become more of a consensus in the party? >> i think you are right. the governor of florida is at the leading edge of the debate. it is beginning to sink in that the cost of denying donald trump the nomination is chaos in the party. political parties are like the stock market. they can go up and down, but the one thing you want to avoid is uncertainty and the republican party wants to bring some certainty to this process. alex talks about the cost of the republican party in denying that, and i completely agree with this, but on the other hand, a lot of your friends and mainstream

republicans are very worried about what happens if he gets the nomination, does the seneca wonder, does the house of representatives lose 30 seats and go democratic. donald.o, go, go >> if i were a senate candidate in a swing state in a have a choice of having ted cruz above me on the ticket or, trump, i would have a much better shot of being my own candidate under donald trump. ted cruz is the narrowest possible expression of being a republican, but he is a republican. donald trump the circus has come to town. look at me. [laughter] mark: thank you so much. standby. after this break, we will talk more about the democrats, after this. âi

♪ john: we're back talking to our democratic and republican strategists, steve mcmahon and

alex castellanos. guys, let's talk about the democrats here. we all agree hillary is going to be the nominee. forward,hallenge going how did she get the sender voters -- sanders voters to like her? alex: she has one great card in her pocket. that is us, republicans. if we can't unite the democratic party behind hillary clinton, nothing will. i am sure she is going to head in that direction. there is no passion there for her. this is a stay home election for the democrats. what can she do, put someone on the ticket like elizabeth warren, square the democratic party straight -- scare the democratic party straight? i don't know what she can do other than move to vermont and run a commune. john: she can point to donald

trump and say, look at him. look at him. look at him. >> look at bernie and all of the issues you raise. look at the campaign he ran and all the people he brought into the process. john: i think the underestimate these things that we are familiar with because you listen to send her supporters and a lot of them do not like her. they understand donald trump and they do not want him to be president, but what is the thing she could say to get them passionately behind her? steve: she can say i am a democrat. the differences between the candidates are usually so small that they get exaggerated. the fights become huge and the passions are very strong. people say the kinds of things that send her supporters are saying about hillary clinton right now, but at the end of the day they are going to have a choice, either hillary clinton, donald trump or not showing up. hopefully they will show up in not vote for donald trump. mark: there are those who say trump can't win.

there are some who say, be careful, donald trump is a wildcard in scrambles things. are those among the elite democratic strategist, roughly equal more camping are saying trump will win a flawless campaign and cannot win? >> i'm not sure i'm in that camp. i think hillary has an enormous advantage. she starts with about 241 electoral votes. there's a strain of donald trump's argument that is very similar to bernie sanders. one, you are a victim and you're getting screwed, working harder and working less and someone is taking your money. mark: what about the democratic elite? are you 80-20. >> i think it is more 60-40. a lot of people are saying he t, but toet any lif plan like that is crazy. mark: you have always thought that she is beatable.

does anything else needed happen? do we need an indictment or something, or do you think on the current trajectory donald trump can beat her? alex: i don't think she knows who she is. mark: if there are no big intervening events, donald trump can beat her? >> i do not think anything comes naturally to her. she does not believe in anything, is that she does not give people anything to be passionate about in her campaign. she has one card that connects her to the future of the country and that is the fact that we have never had a woman president. even that rings in authentically for her. mark: i do not know what that means. >> i am not going to go there. [laughter] well, the only thing she can take inject passion is to a listen with one, but that is not what she needs to do to go across the middle, so i think you have this force, stiff, and authentic candidate that does not inspire the base in a

general election of a democratic party and has no message to reach across the middle. i think she is eminently beatable in a general election. john: i would like to hang out in your offices sometime. thank you. coming up, a former ambassador dives into donald trump's big foreign policy speech. if you are watching us in washington dc, you can listen to us as well on the radio. we will be right back. ♪

♪ mark: to talk more about donald trump's foreign policy speech. we heard a lot about what he said is wrong with america was a

current foreign-policy and something dramatic about what he would do to fix america's standing in the world. here's a quick highlight reel. donald trump: the countries we are defending must pay for the cost of this defense. if not, the united states must be prepared to let these countries defend themselves. we have no choice. our president has allowed china to continue its economic assault on american jobs and wealth , refusing to enforce trade deals and apply leverage on necessarily to rein in north korea. i believe an easing of tensions and improved relationship with russia from a position of strength only is possible. absolutely possible. then there is isis. i have a simple message for them. their days are numbered. i won't tell them where i won't tell them how.

[applause] donald trump: we must, as a nation you more unpredictable. mark: joining us now is stuart holliday, former ambassador to the un for political affairs, bush 43. thank you for joining us. pointstart with the last that donald trump is that before and the notion that being unpredictable is good. president obama says we are sending 50 advisors into a place, and we should not be giving stuff away. is there a notion in respectable foreign policy circles that unpredictability in the commander-in-chief is a good idea? stuart: there's a difference between unpredictable behavior versus keeping her cards close as to how you carry out a certain policy. next in -- nixon surprised everybody with the normalization of relations with china. that wasn't unpredictable. in the sense that it made sense for our national interest.

it was a surprise. i think that he is looking at vladimir putin and the way he d and gotten on certain regional issues. seeing as plodding along and not really being nimble. john: do you hear a serious person in that speech about world affairs? stuart: i actually do. i think what i see is someone who believes that american leadership in the world has somewhat been eroded, and that is not an uncommon theme among republican candidates, that i also see a linkage between economic diplomacy and leverage. there has always been the effort to engage diplomatically over here and then maybe have sanctions, but you do not really do anything to link economic consequences, and he is a negotiator. what i think he is thinking, you can use exelon -- economic leverage to achieve political outcomes which is hard.

mark: some people look at what he is proposing. reagan tried to make allies pay more. is there a reason to think, he comes in totally iconoclastic, not beholden to the state department, that stuff like that could change under president trump? stuart: we saw with obama's cairo speech that he can set the agenda. the presidency is a powerful bully pulpit. if the president makes burden sharing the most important thing in his presidency, it will get a lot of coverage and attention. the question is how do you link what they pay for for their own national security, the refugee crisis, the middle east, is there a smart way to get them over the 2%? what strikes me with the speech are inconsistencies. places brady seems restrained,

hawkish and less so. here, and worldview identifiable realist, idealist, isolationist neocon. is there a worldview you can define? >> he sounds like a realist. he sounds like someone who views democracy promotion and idealism about universal values versus american interests. that takes me back to the 1970's in terms of how we view the world. i did hear inconsistencies. i think it is tough to have it militarilybe robust but not intervene. i did not think the timeframe he laid out for prosecuting the struggle against islamic extremism indicates that he has got this view of this as the new communist threat. he used containment, the term ," and building the

resources behind that will be important. if you could ask him one question now about his foreign policy what would it be? i think it would be when he would decide to use military force. he left that up in the air. we talk about american national interests and our allies, we have treaty obligations. south china sea. south korea. when would we act and under what circumstances? that is an fairly the highest responsibility of the president, and we do not know exactly where he stands on that one. mark: i do think we know that answer from anyone else that is running either. coming up next, hoosier state preview coming up with dan balz and jennifer jacobs. right after this. ♪

♪ john: here to talk more about the upcoming indiana primary and a whole lot more, are jennifer jacobs and the great dan balz, chief correspondent, of everything apparently, for the "washington post." guys, we teased the indiana primary. let's talk about that to begin with. dan, is this republican race daylights there some if ted cruz can win indiana? dan: if cruz wins indiana and does very well in california, you can make the argument that there is still some daylight left for him to seize on. every delegate you can deny trump is one less than 1237. it is not insignificant, but after what happened last night and donald trump far exceeded everyone's estimates of what his delegate was going to be, it is

awfully tough. it is awfully tough from this point. jennifer: trump climbed out of bed this morning the king of the world. he was calling himself the presumptive nominee. he is well known in the northeast. he is well known out here. this is not ted cruz territory. that is the bottom line. the selection of fiorina, but you believe that may not have been his first choice? jennifer: some people wanted him to check in with marco rubio. i did talk to a lot of republicans today who think that the carly choice was very smart. she is a she. he played the woman card. when donald trump was frustrated with hillary clinton for playing the woman card, no ted cruz comes out and placed the woman card. she is popular with donors. she is very well-liked in her home state of california.

she did not talk about california on the stump area much when she was campaigning, but she is well-liked there. she did well in a primary out there. she outperformed in the odor -- in voter registration. there are many different benefits for, and the big thing was, she helped ted cruz step all over donald trump's big day today which could've been one of the most important days for him in the campaign. isk: the republican primary tuesday. what do you expect to happen between now and then? no debates so what happens to determine who gets the leg up? coverage in part, the effectiveness of the two candidates and spending time in that state. in a sense, this question of whether there will be a consolidation within the republican party, slowly perhaps or grudgingly around donald trump as the likely nominee, as the presumptive nominee. mark: donald trump said all of

these people call me an attack me publicly that they want to be on board, and he refuses to reveal who they are. do you know anyone like that? do you think he is telling the truth? >> i am sure there are people that are not publicly on board with him. no doubt he is getting a lot of attention from people. i was struck by the statement that senator corker put out today, of the foreign relations committee about the speech. it was a very measured comment and took seriously what donald trump was doing. it was a very establishment republican and embracing donald trump forgive any serious speech. i think that is the kind of indication urc that people are beginning to wrap their heads around the idea that this candidate may be the nominee in we need to come to terms with that. john: jennifer, there is all indications, and i know you know something about this, there is still a lot of turmoil in in donald trump's world.

usually losing campaigns have a lot of turmoil. this is a winning campaign but the turmoil seems to get greater the more he wins. what is that about and how big of a threat is that to his enterprise going forward? versus themthe us tension between the old guard that have been with them and say over 60 months there was very campaignfighting about palace intrigue of the trump towers and now for the last three weeks since paul metaphor was hired, there has -- paul aniford, so me it is a fractured campaign. i think they are starting to learn to get along with each other and respect each other. we will see if that makes a difference. we will see if this succeeds in helping. donald trump waited a few

weeks until after he won these primaries, he may not have needed to hire paul manafort. y have been fine with his usual cast of characters. john: you've covered a lot of campaigns. what is your sense of the dynamic is and how debilitating it could be if that continues to be a source of tension going forward? >> there is going to be tension throughout this campaign because corey lewandowski represents donald trump on the stump. paul manafort represents the donald trump in one way or another has to reach some kind of record with the establishment part of the republican party. they want to have a smooth convention. he wants control over that convention if he can prove he has the delegates. when paul goese, into a closed meeting in florida and suggest donald trump is some fundament away

changes style, he rebels against that. i think he is playing both sides and he has to play both sides. i do not see any way that they can avoid attention. certainly they can learn to live with one another. these are people who have never worked together in a real way. they have to learn to do that. it is an inherent tension in what this campaign is right now. jennifer: it is interesting to see the reaction from republicans who are leery of donald trump. they are hearing him say one thing out in the stump and his campaign staff is saying different things behind closed doors. people are not sure what to believe. mark: is hillary on track to emerge stronger as a candidate for the general election? dan: not yet, no. sanders has exacerbated the problem that she has. if you look at the recent polls on her image, she has got problems that she has to deal with. the blessing she has is donald

trump's problems are significantly greater with the groups and constituencies where his numbers are underwater, but she does need to do something about that. on the other hand, we are in an environment with the fact that somebody has a higher negative than positive is not necessarily disqualifying. this is the nature of where politics is right now. people look at politicians and they do not look at them very favorably. bernie sanders has favorable numbers that they are marginally favorable. again, i think it is something that the clinton campaign cannot take for granted. there is going to be a tendency for them to look at donald trump and say, this guy is so eminently beatable that if we just play our regular game we are fine, but i do not think that solves problems or sets are up if she wins the presidency to be an effective president as she would want to be. jennifer: there were some olive branches in her speech.

mentioning sanders by name and saying she applauds him. in his speech, he never really mentioned her by name, didn't really even talk about the election at all. i am hearing a lot on social media from sanders backers who are heartbroken to get the news that he is laying off staff, so it will be interesting to see how hillary clinton embraces some of those people that are feeling really distraught at the news that the campaign could be falling apart. john: that is the question. dan, let me ask you this, how big a challenge did they think getting the party back together is from that point of view and getting the sanders voters to be enthusiastic for her? dan: two weeks ago i would've said they recognize that it will be harder than they originally thought. i think after last night given the size of her victory and the signals we are getting out of bernie sanders and the campaign,

it may be a little less difficult. this is not entirely unusual within democratic contest. we have seen splits between the progressive left in the establishment center or centerleft. they usually come together reasonably well. donald trump will be a big unifier for the democrats in the same way hillary clinton will be a unifier for the republicans. i would say they are able to do it, but we do not know what the bottom line is for bernie sanders and what he wants out of the convention, out of the platform. there is certainly a group of sanders voters who will be harder to bring around. they are there for bernie sanders. she will have trouble with them. thoughe have to go, even we have another question but i will save that for another segment. thank you both. john: we will be right back. ♪

♪ john: check out bloomberg politics.com. including a fascinating story about how a rival brand of oreo cookies was trying to benefit from donald trump is a success. mark: coming up, emily chang sits down with the revolutionary ceo, steve case. a lot going on in the wake of today's news. we will have it all for you tomorrow on "with all due respect." thank you for watching. sayonara. ♪

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