announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." you begin with sports and one of the biggest upsets in european football history is not sports in general. underdogs leicester city won the english premier league on monday after a consistently strong season. the upended traditional expectations, competing against wealthy clubs such as chelsea and manchester united. some of their players were competing in a amateur league's a few years ago. here to talk about this johntale championship is

mickelthwait. and we beginmyth with this. where he waslondon economist."f "the every year for 20 years he placed a 20 pound bet that leicester would win and every year they lost. pick up the story. john: they did not lose quite every year. when they were in lower divisions. in league 1, i did win a little bit. it was my failure to bed last year that was a disaster. charlie: there is no playoff and the odds are 5000 to one.

you put 20rand if pounds down. john: i used to do it every august 11 which was my birthday. pretty much the beginning of the english soccer season. this particular time once i this is do well, october, november. maybe i should have gotten to bet then. i miscountthing, related the odds so i thought i lost 10,000 pounds and sometime around january. i am a financial journalist and i still got it wrong. charlie: the fact that you did not make $100,000 -- you do it every year and you never imagine you're going to win. upsete: how big is the the season? how big is it to go from here to

here? >> this is the medieval ages we would be writing ballads and singing them for generations, , centuries. they have never come close to winning this trophy. english football is run by money. the common wisdom of the field, bank accounts determine success. it is a game of oligarchs. the amount of money they spend compared to the big giant is miniscule. the middle ofn the country. wichita, kansas is the equally -- equivalent. the englisher of potato chip industry and this team at this time last year and plus a week where the bottom of english football. unlike american sports, the team

that comes near the bottom, they go into single eight or aaa baseball equipment. leicester city were in that position. they never stop. they were favorites for relegation and to go down this season but they defied common wisdom. it was like watching for the past 36 weeks seabiscuit on the cleats winning race after race. that at at -- bet at 5000 to one, the premiership has always been won by these big clubs. and with liverpool he has never won it. and the next word leicester -- were leicester. to one.dds were 5000 charlie: 5000 21.

so how did they do it? >> they did it with hard work. they did it with honest endeavor, and they did it with a bunch of guys who wanted to play for manager who everyone ridiculed when he came in halfway through the season. as the tinker man when he was with chelsea. he made that many changes in a week. no one knew what the team was going to be. with leicester, he could not take those changes because he venture so hehe made 25 changes all year. if summary had said to me last year -- someone had said to me after that leicester would win i would say that tommy smith has a better chance of winning -- of riding the winner of the kentucky derby. it,nother way of looking at spring training, the phillies and the colorado rockies, the

odds of them winning were in 500 to one. leicester was less likely. when thethis is like american students, american college kids in hockey beat the russians. it is that they can upset. -- that is that kind of upset. >> you have to win, this is a marathon. this played out over nine months and i have spoken to leicester players all season, how are you doing it and they do not have a good answer. they talk about incredible team spirit. they talk about their chip on the shoulder, this ragtag bunch of journeyman has been discards and come together always something to prove and the manager who is this old wizened 29 years career, he is like -- enthusiasm packed into the body of gandalf.

his last job is to be the manager of greece. was a [inaudible] there was this dirty dozen effect. you take 11 players and this bunch of rejects and misfits. big clubs that the all have bad years. the last thing is they were something vaguely scientific, a little bit like money ball. they looked at the statistics and they looked at the plan they play -- plucked from the french version of football. they look at statistics on that. they brought him in for two years in a row. he was the highest-ranking for tackling. but no one looked at these statistics.

they always saw it from an unfashionable place. they bought some really cd players -- seedy players. they looked at the idea of the counterattack. -- you let the other team play with the ball. he headed for the 15 yard box quicker than i have ever seen anybody in football. doherty would say my tactics are this. when you have the ball you are an attacker. when they have the ball you are a defender. that is exactly the way leicester played. pounds tocost 400,000 put that in perspective, manchester city but a lad from germany and he cost 83 million dollars. this led cost 400,000 pounds and he was the catalyst of the whole

team. he would get set into position, but [inaudible] washis little man with -- playing in the equivalent of single-a for a team, he was earning $43 a week. he was part timing and working at a plastics factory. else had a lot of problems. very comforted a gentleman but a great hero.s do not take a we are heroes. we have so few nowadays. for this derailment to come through with an incredible chip on his shoulder, another great just turned 25, looks like a young omar sharif. he does not have the body.

never -- a never stopping midfielder. he was laying in the fifth -- frenchf fringe football. they piece this team together and watching them they never wanted the ball. they had one of the lowest percentages of her -- possession. they were waiting for that moment of possession. they were playing by completely different rules. >> when they -- they did this thing where it is usual to counterattack. it is unusual of having incredibly low possession because all the teams that people revere, barcelona, arsenal, they tend to have -- always have the ball. what leicester do is is you have it. >> everyone knew what leicester were going to do but no one could stop them which is a

hallmark of champions. everyone thought they would fade away come november or december. amerco is they never did. >> one of the things that was impressive is so many players from so many other teams say we want leicester to win. at the end they were saying the guy who scored the goal for chester, he won the champion for chelsea, he scored last night because he said before and again i do not want them to win. i want leicester to win. he has not paid out. >> i'd took a couple of games because it is hard to get tickets. scream abuse they to leicester supporters. when the game was over and leicester one, all the away fans

applauded because it is every football players dream, you never thought this is possible. a -- support a small club you never win -- winning the league is ridiculous. charlie: why did you hang on all those years? >> i grew up outside leicester and i still get back there. my mother lives there. >> most of these guys -- i my team. they are always going to be my team. i am never going to switch. thatwill to you in england guy might have an affair with his next-door neighbor but he will never go to see the team play. he will stay with the same team. your wife ore husband but you can never change the team you're born into. >> there would be me and one

other leicester guide. those times they were shown in pubs and they tended to be with huge clubs like liverpool and newcastle. he would be hopelessly outnumbered. -- and they would be hopelessly outnumbered. -- they arek winning money and endorsements. >> college has had more inquiries about open spots in their classes in the last two days. charlie: what is this going to do for soccer in america? >> more americans can say the word leicester now than they have in their whole human history. it is over the past 10 or 15 years the sport has been on a rise. since 1972.

tectonic plates of sports have shifted and thanks to the internet and the fact you can follow a team like leicester closely from leicester -- from new york or l.a., baseball grew in the golden age of radio. the nfl in the golden age of television. soccer is a great internet sport. do it again they next year? >> i would have to say yes. my heart says yes but my head says -- other culturally back and they will be bigger. if they finish next year in the top 10 that would be a great result. >> they go into the champions league and plan the competition with the rest of the champions. so they would have a lot of friends to fight on the year. i guess if they went the right way about it and bought the right players, maybe they can be up in the top four but i said it last year and i will say it again in my own risk.

i do not think they can win it. i said that last year, deny? charlie: it is amazing. we love sports for so many reasons and it is because of stories like this. where accommodation of things come together at one point and it is like a perfect season. >> is feels like america. i have been watching the parting of the red sea or walking on water over the course of 13 weeks. it makes everything in life feel possible. charlie: thank you. congratulations. great to see you. we will be right back. stay with us. ♪

" is the "the humans karam.from stephen calls it ark times" sad family drama about a family he ran the edge of the abyss. "the humans" was a file a list for the pulitzer prize drama. and nominated for two tony awards. -- director jayne houdyshell reed birney and

jayne houdyshell. about taking about this and what you wanted to do. by two right about the things that were keeping me up at night and i started by thing about how we all of us cope with our basement fears. the first impulse in terms of story was constructing a family that in which each family member an existential human fear like fear of poverty, ill health, failure, criticism, -- the wholeas point is that these are things

that we all at some point or another are grappling with. charlie: you take this one family and they go in for thanks giving dinner in manhattan. a real-time play. charlie: when you get this guy who is as good as director as there is anywhere around, it is true, coming how you approached it. what was it that you knew, you know you have a family and it is part comedy and part tragedy and part said and part funny. it is part about who we are as human beings. can have not think you that kind of pressure weighing on you when you walk into work every day so what you do is you cast billion actors and you have early in designers and you have everybodyt script and comes in shows up every day and together as a group you make this thing and we were fortunate in that we were -- we started

off that way. the set is a duplex. so we rehearsed from day one on the set. so for three weeks all caps moved into this chinatown apartment and we got to know each other really well. charlie: how long before you had your first show? joe: it was about three and a half weeks. it was quite. reed: joe asked us to be off book and know our lines on the first day. not all ofknow and us had done that but it was a fantastic challenge. charlie: some people say you have to have some celebrated actors who are celebrities and actors, period, whether they were so braided or not. -- celebrated or not.

light joe said having 6 billion actors, there is no better starting place. for a new play you end up learning so much about what works and what does not. charlie: take me through the process for a writer. you have seen what you have written in your mind and you are seeing it with real live actors who add something to it. there is value added at every step. of course. my favorite part is you -- you to taylor and make sure that the role fits each one of these impossibly special and unique human beings. you make sure that it fits perfectly. i feel like the energy that reed bring as complex, interesting, funny people, it definitely informs who they are.

charlie: they take on a life of their own. a gift. that is you want those actors who can in bu a role with something only they can. i think that is actually a gift. charlie: take me through your characters. married since high school which is a long time ago. with all the and down in green with your team. one of the things that is fantastic and brilliant about play, we are-- the fish out of water. to sit on.ry little no one is comfortable in the case submitted and whether that having it be at the family homestead there is this added discomfort which plays into the light. i think we are a great couple. i think, enjoys and sars.

is deep andove enduring and we share a very deep faith in the catholic church. anything i think that informs a marriage and how we whether things andrea indeed weathering things. relationship you are carried eric's aging mother who is living with advanced dementia and that brings challenges to the relationship. and one of our great challenges facing, extreme financial crisis. the catholicism that they shared is something that brings them through with a lot of strength and dignity and respect. charlie: take a look at the scene. here it is. this is the family singing a eric's irish song to

ailing mother. here it is. the >> we are waiting for you. you want to start us off? >> you always start off too high and you yell at me. >> that is a terrible thing. ok, mom. the money i had i lost it in good company that had been done oncell i've done for recallmory now i can your beers and raise your glass. all the friends that ere i had

maybe sorry that i have gone away ♪ i am a lawyer. [laughter] would wish me one more day to stay ♪ enoughd if i have money to spend and leisure time, there is a maiden in this town who sorely has my heart ♪ two challenges, to do it in real time. it made me realize why a lot of writers do not write real-time. to keep it active and joe has been incredible. --re is no lack out or sit lockouts or scene changes. it facilitates the idea that

exploring the horrors of everyday life, the horrors of these quieter moments, moments that might be blackout or occupy the blackout of other family dramas. charlie: are there big moments , joe? joe: it is interesting to hear us talk about it. we talk about it like it is a depressing evening in the theater even though it does deal with -- it is wildly entertaining. it truly is. it can attest to the fact create in some way i am always so impressed at how someone so young was able to write such a wise play that is extremely entertaining and yet about what is going on in our world today. about four took years. play your point about the

andg celebratory and funny kind of joyous, although i started from this -- i started talking about how it is from thereear-based place but is the way that this family comes together through this imperfect but deep love. you see the way that have this astonishing resilience. it's that is one of the things we have talked about, it is in accurate portrayal of this is what love looks like. sometimes it is missing. sometimes it is a vicious. and thatt side-by-side is the overriding thing the play that i think people respond to and when they say that is my family because it gets at something very true. charlie: let me bring in scott rudin. he saw this at what stage?

walks in and and says i want to take it to broadway. has 25 tony nominations. but it is incredible, for someone to be able to do that? >> it is unheard of in the landscape of broadway. it is unheard of that someone would move a new american play without movie stars to -- it is fantastic. he never wavered. he made the commitment before a single person had chimed in. charlie: it is also someone who knows his own mind. he does understand what is good and has some condonation of understanding quality and also understanding what the public will respond to.

>> i think he has a keen understanding. and shock atgreat how good he is at his job. charlie: he assembles you guys and says do what you're doing. if you do not put any pressure on me to change a syllable. any pressure put on me to change a syllable. he enabled us to do whatever we needed to do to make it better. charlie: have the characters changed you between day one and last night? jayne: the basic character in terms of who i am playing has not changed much. -- audience informants informs us, certainly but when you have the grace of playing a play over a long time and if the play is beautifully written as this one is, and really well

directed as this one is, you can only get better and better and deeper and deeper into the truth because we started from a very true template to begin with with the writing and the directorial health and concepts. the only way in which the character has changed for me is that i know her better and better. charlie: that is pretty big. >> i was a more affable, junior catholic farmer and joe has been leading me toc at a man who lives in a house full of women. i think a lot of those guys go away. they watch the game in the other room and he has taken a lot of that stuff away which was

absolutely right so that stuff that felt weird to me off broadway like i had not solved it now feels solved. do afterwhat do you the play has been established, after it has gotten terrific reviews, after it is going night tonight. you check in every couple weeks? >> if you are smart you hire an incredibly brilliant stage manager which i think we would all agree, you do because that is the person who on a nightly usis steps in for me and for and keeps it in shape. and early bonds is our stage manager and he is invaluable. he is there every moment. >> heard the conversations and they decisions so he will be the gentle eye to remind us that perhaps we have strayed a little

bit this week or pick it up. is perceptive and he has the gift of knowing how to speak to actors in a way that is that is nice to have a kind of presence watching over us. we feel safe. charlie: the more you can let go. jayne: that is right. >> what is thrilling for all of us is to be in a play that is speaking to an audience in such a profound way. it is a response we get afterwards. our audience members say they have never seen anything like this play. people feelt is it, something in a profound way. capturing something about what it means to be alive in america in 2016 in a family. at this moment. it is funny. even if it is not your socioeconomic range, you -- it

theo clearly recognizable, family dynamic. and i think people are not used to seeing that in a play. and it is thrilling. it is thrilling to do. >> we're living in a time where the middle class is disappearing , it ist is in some way what is remarkable about the play because you started it four years ago and somehow the play and the world have merged at the absolute right moment. charlie: were you thinking in terms of politics? no.hen: i do think there's something about the way that politicians are possessed with tapping into the fears of americans, especially during this election cycle. wasink -- the fact that i -- that people were keeping me up at night and people i love,

in that sense i can see how the two of them merged. i am from scranton, pennsylvania. i come from a place where politicians, although time. biden has connections there, hillary clinton. i feel like it is that kind of hardscrabble place. candidates sethe off especially secretary clinton and sanders on -- and several at even if they and had a different view of what was the solution to problems, the idea of what is happening to the middle class in this country today is as big as same as there is in politics. and it has to do with their fears about their lives that their kids are not going to have it as good as they did. the dream has been tarnished. whenou show this because it happens, whatever year,

whatever election cycle, it is about the core of people and the closest to them and how they're responding to the circumstances around them in basic human qualities. jealousy, fear, hope. it plays out. jayne: it plays out in this play. you see it in all these people. allowerlessness that we are terrified of and yet the play is incredibly hopeful about how we as humans injure despite all of this. charlie: you to have different ideas about the children. >> the characters of the children question mark we have two daughters so they are my little girls. i think they tend to bicker with the mother perhaps more and come to me for -- to decide. charlie: there was a little bit of that in the papers with the announcement that the

president's daughter is leaving the nest and he is talking about what a struggle it is. >> that is the thing that a lot of families, the fathers and daughters and mothers and daughters. daughtere mother and relationships are relatable for women who see this play. they are complicated to mothers relationships and it is not as easy -- they do not have as easy a time. they have to protect and give strength. jayne: and hopefully constructive criticism. to say,that is fair absolutely. had a friend who came to the plate and said it was a full to watch. the mother walks in the door and the first thing out of her mouth is some criticism of her mother. she cannot help herself

criticizing. back-and-forth and the mothers too, to the daughters, and she sought in the play and he was too close. responsee audience's is amazing. iople come up to you and say loved it and then they immediately start talking about their own lives. charlie: the connection. jayne: they have it. charlie: it helps people, gives zone a voice to people hopes and aspirations and fears -- people's hopes and aspirations and fears. jayne: it is a beautiful gift to receive it from audience members rather than talking about this person was so funny and i sure did like when that happened. they are talking about themselves and their real concerns and it is quite

beautiful, that phenomenon. is it the connection that makes it so real for the audience? >> i feel it my job is to just tell the truth. in this case in writing about a amily i care about very much has become a kind of mirror for a lot of people. so many people have told me that theirand reed are parents. and people from every single kind of religion. i think that is the best gift because in creating one mom and to hearis overwhelming the people that identify with this family. you are writing the adaptation of "the seagull." aephen: you are starting with masterwork. every second.ng

it was my first time working and having a film made. and that bening was the star -- star.e benning was the it is fun to turn on your puzzle brain. screenplays are more like puzzles, i think. ems.s are like homes -- po planes -- - in scree screenplays you think visually. charlie: it is a great honor. everybody that i know is saying wonderful things about it. i want to make sure that all the things are right here. it is at the helen hayes theatre at a has -- and it has no closing date and a town nomination for all of today's guests. ."u see -- go see "the humans

back in a minute. stay with us. ♪

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the mission is to build an army for kids. recently he launched two offshoots, the first called common sense education. the second called common sense kids, it evaluates political legislation on its potential to help or harm children. the organization lobbies for kid-friendly bills. called aarp for kids. great to have you here. i saw this note, i saw an e-mail from you. that is when i said we should do this now. my instinct in life is do it now. be on the east coast, let's do it. you came to doow this, to be an advocate for children. i grew up here in new york.

teacher in a school harlem and the bronx. charlie: your father was a big deal lawyer. truth is we grew up thinking with a mom who came home from harlem and the south good saying you got education but that is not the way it is for all kids. i got out of high school and went to exeter and i talked with my mom. -- taught with my mom. i went from one of the best high school student -- schools to one of the worst. i decided this is what i wanted to do with my life. i was 16 or 17. when i went to stanford, i went out to college and i went out because it once you go surf and stuff like that but the truth is i wanted to do stuff for an advantage -- disadvantaged kids.

the older i get the more i listened to mom at the divert -- dinner table waving her finger at us and telling us that we were very lucky to have the education we had and we needed to do some thing about it. we looked at our mom and both of our parents are dead and we would think, we have been really fortunate, we ought to do something about it and i was a civil rights lawyer, i ran the legal defense fund. i went to work on poor kid issues and it just happened. the truth is we were trying to build aarp for kids. organizationther called children now which was a policy advocacy group like the children's defense fund. we had no constituency base. babiesians love to kiss and sally's platitudes about how they care about children and at the end of the day the cut the widget for early childhood or

schools in kids are the poorest americans. kids do not have any power in the reason we built the media platform was to give stuff away for free to parents so they would join an organization and start advocating for kids. charlie: what are you proudest of that you have a top list? jim: raising four killed -- children. it is interesting. i would say one, the success of the media platform, we have 70 million users. we did not know that iphones and ipads and snapchat and facebook were going to happen. that whole digital world is happening over the past 10 years. common sense theirs to give parents advice. the other thing is holding political leaders and business leaders and people's feet to the fire and saying this out to be the number one priority in the society and it is not and i am proud of that. i will tell you this. i think at this time you look at

the anger out there that is going on in the presidential election and the frustration that 70 americans feel and i think we ought to top -- cap into this because most worry about their kids will be worse off than their parents. we havethe fact that pulled parents and kids and asked are you addicted to yourself cell phone and 50% of kids admitted they felt addicted were0% said their kids addicted. i will tell you digital devices are changing human relationships. changing the way parents and kids react. teachers, everybody. adults. comingust on the subway up here, everyone is glued to their iphone. professor.ford i had a couple of colleagues who did a study that was basically based on kids in their dorms who

would be having conversations and theyious issues would be looking down at their devices all the time. by're constantly distracted this device, you're not paying attention to the other person. if the is about face-to-face medication. one in: if i use circumstances like that i feel like i have to apologize. i have promised this person i would get back. otherwise do not do it. jim: kids feel they have to respond. -- they will get a text and they will pick up the device and i am like put it away but they said so-and-so just texted me. , you can getwhat back to them in an hour. it is a big deal. it has a big impact on everything and at common sense we have the chance to focus on changing people's behavior and that is a fun part of the job.

let's talk about your modus operandi. you are a guy who knows a lot of people. you have the idea that if you want to have some impact, figure out the 10 most important people and get to them. jim: that is right. i would tell you this. my number one job i believe is recruiting people who are smarter and more talented than me getting them to work at common sense and the reason we have been successful is there are more smart people who work for us than me. my job is to find them and let them do their jobs and not get in their way. i think i learned that from my mom. growing up in new york, she was 1950's cbs early news producer and she was a total connector of people. now that i look back i think i learned that from her. of gettings a lot stuff done in life in this society and a lot of places is knowing the right people. my job is to do that.

them.ing blunt with if you're talking about kids are education, it is not about you. you can get people interested area and whether they are business guys. charlie: do you go to washington to lobby? jim: we do. when it comes to kids you have to speak truth to power, as they say. politicians in washington is a group that has fundamentally failed kids. the poverty rate -- republicans and democrats. it is because they have simply not paid attention to their best interests. it is all short-term decision-making. at what ourlook society, how is it possible that and people are the poorest americans question mark how is it possible that we have a relatively poor public school system for half the kids? charlie: what is the biggest crime against children and it is a crime because it is something that is essential and something that the government ought to be doing or the government ought to

be stimulative the private sector to do it, government ought to be engaging the ideas or at least wanting to stimulate conversation, what is it that kids need they are not getting? jim: the basics. telefonicaf kids in to bed hungry at night. that is terrible. food. shelter. you have millions of homeless kids in this country. you have kids who do not have all the basics from birth to five. how can you learn, how can you start converting what you have no preschool education, no health care, no books in your house, your parents are struggling to keep their head above water. we as a society have failed our kids on so many different levels and politicians have set their and kissed babies and said they care and talk about the future but the proof is in the pudding. to me, bernie talks about a revolution and trump talks about

a revolution. i do not subscribe to either of but wehilosophies per se do need a fundamental revolution when it comes to investing with kids. charlie cullen and lots of areas. let's not allow kids to be at a disadvantage when they go to start their educational process. jim: that is right. make sure they have the basics that we had when we were growing up area of roof over their heads, enough food, people who care about them, love, but also good quality public schools. the idea that we defined food stamps for low income families or we leave millions of kids in the foster care system is a reflection of our fundamental priorities. this is ultimately about the political will or lack thereof in this society. not naive. are there is a significant additional investment which means money that needs to be

made here to the tune of billions of dollars a year if we are going to provide every child in california -- .im: alone with the right start. i live in a beautiful part of san francisco. it is an incredible statement it is to states. we are 49 out of 50 in terms of child well-being in california. educationalrom achievement, early childhood, health care. 27th of percent -- twice and percent live below the poverty line. $23,000 a year for a family of four. i spend more than that on one child's private education. 50% of kids live in what i would call poverty-like conditions. that is a fundamental choice that we are making in society and the losers ultimately are

all of us. that is the argument we have to make. charlie: how has technology been incorporated? grexit is interesting because on the one hand, people love common sense. you mentioned we have to 5000 soiews the you can check any -- so you can check any review and find out what age appropriateness it is, is there sex or violence or any concern usedlso technology, wisely, i think can transform schools because it allows you to do personalized learning. if you are in a school like i used to teach in in harlem with 35 kids in a classroom, you can target every kid with their ability to read and their ability to do math in an individualized way. so technology can be great for kids and for learning and it is facilitated -- has facilitated dramatic shifts. charlie: how close to you are your brother?

jim: we're close. we went to all the seams goals except he went to college at yale and i went to stanford. i think i convinced him to come out. i trust him and he has been my brother and we have done everything. ever since we were three, we shared that room and i trust him. he became very wealthy and has gotten involved in politics but he is the real deal. he does not care about money. he is a very non-materialistic person and he made a lot of it and what he wants to do is focus on the climate change stuff or he has been such a big activist and also on poverty. he sees like i see the difference in the lives we have had and the lives of millions of kids have. charlie: thank you for coming. jim: great to be here. had -- thanks for having me. charlie: thanks for joining us. see you next time. ♪

mark: i'm mark colburn. -- halperin. john: with all due respect to all of that bad blood, what a difference a single day makes. mr. trump: he cannot do it. he's a joker. >> very nasty. >> breaking tonight, senator ted cruz just ended his campaign for president. >> just so you understand, ted cruz, i don't know if you like me or does not like me, but he's one hell of a competitor. he is a tough, smart guy. ♪