john: i'm john heilemann. mark: and i'm mark halperin. "with all due respect" to speaker paul ryan, we have a feeling a brand-new nickname is about to come your way. ♪ leading our show, a latebreaking old-fashioned political bombshell. speaker of the house paul ryan, in an interview a short while ago, said that he is in effect not on board the trump train. when cnn's jake cap or as the speaker if he would back trump in the general election he said , this. speaker ryan: to be perfectly candid, i am not ready to do that at this point. i am not there.

and i hope to, and i want to, but i think what is required is that we unify this party. saying that we are unified doesn't in itself unify us. actually taking the principles that we believe in, showing a dedication to those, and running a principled campaign republicans can be proud about , and that can appeal to a majority of americans, that to me is what it takes to unify the party. mark: a source familiar with the speaker explained his words this way. "the speaker was not prepared to have to make a decision about what to say as trump as the nominee this early." he thought he was going to have more time, but john kasich and ted cruz abruptly handed their -- ended their campaign quickly. ryan and his advisers had a day to think about it after cruz got out. facing what this source called "difficult options," ryan took the position from his heart rather than pure politics. john, this is clearly the biggest repudiation of trump as a nominate from any current elected official. what happens now?

john: [laughter] well, we hinted at it in the cold open, that trump will lash out at paul ryan. that, in and of itself, will and 4 -- reinforce how difficult trump's challenge is in putting the party together. i'm sure paul ryan is being honest. the idea that he only had a day to think about it is ridiculous. the idea that trump would be the nominee, that he would have to grapple with this question has been clear for weeks. if he's not wanting to deal with that, he is in denial. he did not serve himself well. by not preparing for this. mark: i think it covers every member of the house, lots of other republicans. a few of the people say, i am not for trump yet, let's see how he does. ryan is trying to use a little bit of stick and carrot to say, hey, i am open for the guy. but it's another extraordinary spectacle to have the speaker of the house say, a guy that has

won fair and square the republican nomination, i'm not for him yet. that is going to sting and allow a lot of people to not be for trump, at least not yet. john: with a normal nominee, the strategy of what ryan does -- making people, and begged him beg me to do what you want, beg , me to be vice president -- to say, you have to earn my endorsement, that would normally be clever. given that it is trump, it is unclear whether it is clever or not. trump is so unpredictable in how he acts. i suggested before i thought he might lash out at ryan. knowing trump's temperament, he very well might. the idea that trump is now going to toady up to ryan, that may backfire. mark: they have had some conversations, and made public comments back and forth that have been friendly, some less so. the reality is paul ryan cares , about policy. trump's position on policy and

trade make it very difficult for ryan to say he should be the nominee. i guarantee you, ryan is surrounded by people, including one that will be a guest on the show tonight, that have extreme trump skepticism. john: what is trump going to do? there are big policy items. we have friends in the media and other places important , conservatives that listen to trump and say, if he doesn't change his posture on immigration, his posture on the muslim ban, if he doesn't do something like that, it will be hard for me to support him. i say that is a totally , legitimate position to take. what do they expect trump to do? these are positions that trump built his candidacy on. it is one thing to pivot in a general election towards the middle. it is another thing to repudiate the big headline, the policy proposals that made you popular with a certain party -- part of the party in the first place. mark: we will talk more about ryan later in the show. john: and paul ryan repudiating trump, not the only one.

it is time for today's uniter divider index update. a lot of action on the anti-trump front. we got this ryan news, but before that you had bush 41 and bush 43 having no part in this election. this afternoon, mitt romney announced he would be skipping the convention this summer. he said on this program earlier that he would never vote for trump. the republican senator from nebraska wrote a 1500 word facebook post that he could not vote for trump or hillary clinton. because there is no reason to believe either of the front runners a leave in -- believe in liberty. meanwhile, there are some republicans like mitch mcconnell, and governor brian sandoval and former minnesota governor tim pawlenty that have fallen in line. mark, my question, taking the uniter-divider elements on both

sides, what do we know about how things stand in trump's challenge of bringing the party together? mark: before ryan, i thought he was having a better day than worse day. the ryan thing tilts the thing. the two president bushs, it shows how much trump has changed our perception to have two former presidents -- one that was a chairman of the rnc -- they are acting like, oh, we are not weighing in, we are staying home today. john: they are weighing in. mark: for them to not say they are voting for the republican nominee is weighing in. john: bob dole said he will go to the convention, but is not committed to voting for trump. john mccain, we are not clear where he is. some audio came out that

suggests that trump will make his reelection more of an uphill fight. mitt romney, we know where he is. those are the living republican nominees. all of them. not a single one today is for donald trump. that is a huge statement. huge. mark: and even some people on the list, like mitch mcconnell, saying that they will support -- that is not the most full throated thing. john: mcconnell is saying, it's trump duty and obligation to unify the party. he still says trump has a lot of work to do. mark: what is happening is an extraordinary spectacle. i think the ryan thing gives people cover to not be for trump. can trump have a unified party in cleveland for the convention? we don't know yet. today and it up not being a great day for the uniter-divider index. after months of deriding his

rival candidates, donald j trump is looking to join the ranks. he will no longer be exclusively a self funder. today, the presumptive nominee announced a former goldman sachs partner and ceo of a private investment firm will be his campaign's national finance chairman, something trump did not have or need before. he has talked with the rnc about a joint fundraising agreement. there are lots of ways to raise money. how is trump going to do it, and what are the risks? john: we don't know much about the plan here. how much of the super pac is going to be part of this. his finance chairman is going to raise money for trump in the traditional way, through party committees, and individual contributions. the super pac is still unknown.

this guy is not that well known. he is not one of the people in the past cycles that has been a big player in republican funding circles. we don't know how good he's going to be at his job. mark: there are four ways to raise money. one is super pac money. based on this guy's resume, based on trump's rolodex, i think they can raise big checks. i don't think trump is going be raising $2500 checks. there is a fourth way, which is small dollars, mail, internet solicitations, which trump has been good at. i talked to one of the best fundraisers in the republican party. let's say he needs to raise $1 million. if he raises $50 from 10 million people--

i think he could get bigger checks and $50 from the low dollar donors. that is not an exact formula, but it is doable if trump start asking people for money more than he has. and if his new financier can go to rich people in las vegas, the sports world, and movies, and say, i need $5 million. john: a lot of people are focusing on this guy, that he has goldman sachs ties, that he is a hedge fund guy. i don't care about any of that, and i don't think anyone focuses on that stuff. trump has a powerful argument that he's made through the nomination-- he can't make that argument anymore. mark: the $10 million checks, he says, these are my brands, these are people that will never ask

me for anything. they will sign a pledge to never ask the government for anything. john: good luck with that. a preview with a party convention this summer. hillary clinton searching for the best strategy to be donald trump. and we will keep talking about paul ryan and his not-yet-trump position. all of that and so much more after this word from our sponsor. ♪

john: as we shift to the general election, hillary clinton's campaign is trying to frame donald trump as they are big matchup this summer and fall. one reason is not easy is that trump is a moving target. just today on this cinco de

mayo, trump tweeted a picture of himself eating a taco bowl and wrote "the best taco bowls are made in trump tower grill. i love hispanics!" hillary sent out a tweet critizing trump. there are at least two schools of thought about the best way for clinton to take on trump. one that paints him as erratic and too dangerous to be commander-in-chief. she used that tactic at the california african-american museum. sec. clinton: trump turns around and says, i don't care if other countries get nuclear weapons. that is the kind of risk this country cannot afford to take. that is dangerous. [applause] that is like a loose cannon that we cannot afford. john: there is another approach similar to clinton's tweet about the taco bowl.

that is to convince voters that a trump presidency would be downright awful for women, minorities, and other important demographic groups that matter in the election, especially pro-democrat. listen how clinton framed it this morning when calling in to a los angeles times editorial board. sec. clinton: the whole idea of "playing the woman card," which he charged i was doing, and by extension, other women, has lit a fire under women across the country. i think it is because they see in his attacks on the or on megyn kelly or on carly fiorina, or whoever else he is attacking at the moment, a much more broad attack on them. john: mark, hillary clinton has gone after trump in two different ways. she has gone after the loose cannon, attacking him on his

policies being bad for constituency groups. which is most effective, and does she even have to choose? mark: i am torn on this from talking to strategists in both parties who say on the one hand, trump is such a target rich environment for clinton to start to define him, and it's hard to choose. maybe it is better to figure out which one works. some say, now is the time to define him, focus on that. in the end, economics will be the best thing. she is going to need to show people that trump would not be starting a good economy. part of it is to talk about his record as a business person. in the end, that is what is going to define it. she will talk about how she can help the economy and he can't. john: in conventional politics, you pick a frame and decide the

one way that you go after your opponent in that frame. i have a feeling that, i don't know which is better, but i don't think they are going to choose. they will use multiple frames. they have a little time. they want to do this soon, but i have a month or so to test out some things, do some polling. having tried a number of frames, tie it all up in a ball. for mitt romney, they went after him on budget things, deportation and said, he is not in it for you. mark: it will say trump is not acceptable, just the statements that he's made, his record -- unacceptable. trump is going to come after her trump is going to come after her as crooked and old politics. some of her aides have already been interviewed in the fbi

investigation. you can bet trump will be talking about that. but the look in race essentially wrapped up. hillary clinton creeping closer to the delicate finish line. her attention will turn in earnest to the party convention this summer. both are in july. republicans gather first in cleveland from 18-21. after that, back-to-back weeks, the democrats need in philadelphia from the 2-28. republicans are meeting at quicken loans arena, or the cavaliers play. democrat day will be at the wells fargo center, some court for the for the sixers . sixers. both hold 20,000 people for sports, but big venues. john, what do you think a clinton and trump convention look like? john: to start, there's no question that the conventional wisdom has been flipped on its head. in the conventional widsom, republicans were headed for a disaster contested convention, riots in the street, and that philadelphia would be a love

fest. but it looks like philadelphia will be a contested convention and we won't have one of those in cleveland. the republican one is harder to manage given the chaos in the party. even though they have uprooted the spectacle of a contested convention, it will be harder in cleveland than hillary and bernie to get it together. mark: what will happen between now and then, but now you have the specter of paul ryan. the guy who is supposed to be in charge of the convention, speculation is going to revive. brian is doing this because he wants to still stop trump can be the vehicle to do that. -- can't be the vehicle to do that. the democratic convention is potentially going to be a showcase for people testifying on behalf of hillary clinton, just as they did in boston for mitt romney. they talked about romney's work

with people he knew. you'll see some of that. clinton has tried to do this in the past. here are people hillary clinton has touched. john: bernie sanders remains the wildcard. how he handles it matters a lot. up next, a man that is close with paul ryan. along with fabled gop strategist mary matalin. we will talk about the news of the day and much, much more after this. ♪

john: a quick update, moments ago, chris christie said he will reach out personally to paul ryan to see what his concerns are about supporting donald

trump. joining us from chicago to talk line this developing story is mary matalin an influential , republicans strategist. here in our studio, dan senor, long-time friend and advisor to the speaker. dan, i will start with you, you are not the horses mouth but you have a lot of encounters with the horse's mouth. tell us what is going to the speaker's mind at this moment when donald trump is trying to unify the party and the speaker seems to not be on board. dan: he believes it is incumbent upon donald trump to unify the party. it is not called ryan's job to do that, not mitch mcconnell's job. it is the presumptive nominee's job to unify the party. he was struck by these calls for party unity, that people should just fall in line. which he is not, in principle, he is not against getting behind a unifying figure. but if there is some sort of apprehension about unity right now, that is donald trump's job.

that is not paul ryan's job. john: a more basic question, asked whether he will support donald trump. he is a voter, a citizen. he says he is not there yet. what is required on donald trump's part? what does he have to do to earn paul ryan-- dan: he has serious question -- questions about donald trump's temperament to be commander-in-chief. he has serious questions about his judgment. his positions about issues. he is not providing a checklist, but he is saying, over the next six months in the election, earn my support. we all have to earn the support of those who are asking for our vote, then he should do the same. the way donald trump has behaved in the last few months rhetorically, temperamentally, , gives people a lot of pause whether or not he is worthy of having their support. mark: mary, john and i think this is a big deal. is it, or are we overreacting? mary: with all due respect, i think you're overreacting.

with all due respect i disagree , with your analysis that this is some white knight effort. palma -- paul ryan does not want to white knight the convention. mark: people might speculate about that. forget that piece of it -- just the notion of the speaker of the house withholding his support for the presumptive nominee of his party. is that a big deal or not? mary: indiana was two days ago. the call for party unity was perfunctory, but it is premature. primaries are always emotional. this one is particularly emotional because mainstream republicans, and certainly conservative republicans are very angry at the party. my analysis is that paul ryan is speaking to conservatives and saying, we understand that you are not about a party or a person, you are about principles. he would like to hear from donald trump, as many of us would like to, particularly those who have registered as libertarians -- more about his policy prescriptions.

i don't think he has to undo anything he has to flesh out , principles that comport with why people have supported the republican party in the past. mark: mary, when did you reregister as libertarian? where do you stand on voting for trump? mary: i am a never-hillary and provisional-trump. i like his strategic chutzpah. i like his attitude. gall tohat he had the put micro-messaging over micro-targeting. i like what i know of his economic policy. i just don't know enough. he could not only win, but win in a landslide if he would stop his high school boy antics with women. otherwise, it he is going to force women to hillary. i think he can peel off some african-americans, nontraditional millenial voters. i think he would be great if he reigns it in a little bit. john: we have to go to break, but mary, you reregistered as libertarian, and when? mary: today. john: why did you do that? mary: i am a republican in the

jeffersonian-madisonian sense. i am not a republican for a party or a person. the libertarian party continues to represent the constitutional principles that i agree with. john: so you reregistered at least in part over the specter that trump is the presumptive nominee. mary: no, i did not. john: the timing is incidental, -- not coincidently, is it? we are to come back. we have to go to a hard break. more from dan senor and mary matalin after this. ♪

mark: talking about all things trump, including the announcement by speaker paul ryan that he is not prepared for

now, to speak for donald trump. mary matalin and dan senor are here. is therearly explain, no connection in your view between trump being the presumptive nominee, and you're leaving the republican party? no connection? mary: let me make this clear, i'm never hillary, i'm always liberty. as you know, i have said it publicly, after two successive blowout elections or conservatives with a nonresponse from washington, lots of conservatives are angry with the party. the party was falling apart. i can still vote republican. i will never vote for hillary, and never trump means always liberty. mark: you left the republican party. mary: i am a provisional tr umpster. i don't know anything about him. mark: if your husband left the democratic party, would that be

a big story? mary: it would be a juicy story, and it would contribute to marital tranquility. immutable?at and going to dan now. is that immutable? you will never be for trump. dan: i'm never for trump. mark: paul ryan might be. what separates you? dan: paul thought this primary would go for a while. no one expected cruz to back out. i think everybody was taken aback. the notion on tuesday, to give of which i could provide a litany on tuesday, , donald trump accuses ted cruz's father being involved in the assassination of president kennedy, and on wednesday, people are outraged that paul ryan hasn't endorsed the person who has done these things to be a leader of the party is absurd.

chris christie needs to know the , the idea that chris christie is the bridge, that is amusing. but the idea that people need to actually find out what the problem is, this guy is a problematic guy, people have more questions and concerns. there is so much to talk about. the question of the bushes. john: this question of the bushes, the two presidents bush not saying they are going to stay out of it. that seems to me like an extra ordinarily big deal. dan: it's a huge deal. here's the point. to be clear. george herbert walker bush has been involved in every presidential election since he was elected president. and this is donald trump's problem. he has fractured the party and he has to figure out how he will win over these people. it is his job to figure it out. 's have you asked for anyone

advice? have they asked you for your advice? mary: i'm not going to comment that. some things in life trump gets , what he wants and if he puts together a good ground game i'm confident that trump will run. -- trump will win. can i say something in this ? trump's milieu politics, when it comes to the bushes, they are famous for their affections for each other. if someone said, if your son or what donald said about jeb bush, you would have the same reaction. it has less to do with politics and more to do with their family and affections. mark: the party is divided. the speaker of the house, the governor of the state of massachusetts said he will not vote for trump. a couple u.s. senators. if the trump campaign calls you for advice and they said, we want to win your vote, we want to win paul ryan's vote, what would you tell them they should

do? mary: three things. stop your high school antics and keep suburban women, give a guarantee on scotus, ironclad on that, and flush out your economic policies and stand up straight and comb your hair. mark: that is four. mark: -- john: the hair is one thing. dan, never trump for you. you have some connection to the very forces that used to constitute, or still do constitute, the never trump movement. the folks are still out there. is there still a never trump movement? is there any movement to try to stop trump from being the nominee? dan: i think there are some donors who will just sit on the sidelines and sit out of the race entirely, and there are some donors who are looking for ways to find an independent

candidate, a center-right candidate to be on the state with trump and clinton. mark: for they talking about? dan: i am not going to mention names. john: the kinds of people they might want to -- dan: ben sass is an interesting guy. the country hangs in the balance. we could use someone like him to -- for the next six months to help make the case for conservatives. and to make a point. to save the down balance to , potentially throw this in the house of representatives and win and to make a statement about the future of the conservative movement, it should not be in the hands of this guy who is hijacking it and doesn't believe in conservative principles and has the absolute wrong temperament for the job. republican should have someone, if they don't like trump, should have someone to vote for. trump,nors will go to some will. but they ask, i am not one to actually donate to him, he is

worth $10 billion. mark: -- john: mary you worked for president bush and donald trump sending a tweet saying i love hispanics. i am curious as to whether you think, this isn't in the category of high school hijinks. i want to know, what do you make of that as an attempt to, do what? reach, you know, outreach? i don't know what that is. mary: let me challenge, and thegree with all of y'all. reason donald trump was able to hijack the republican party. the underlying element is weak. the party was weak. the party has not been for several successive election cycles now, responsive to its base. , he can't, i think all of these antics could only be completed by him because he

has this unusual and unique capacity to flick off any attack which he will be able to do with hillary clinton. the more you attack him, the stronger he gets. mark: i appreciate the answer. you are a communications professional. what you think of donald trump's tweet today? mary: i don't tweet. i'm not a twitter person. i don't facebook. but i think that is what his people love. people like you don't like it, but i do not think it is a dispositive in any way whatsoever. i do think he will be able to shore up nontraditional republican voters including african-americans and millenials because he is a character and has a good message. if he would get back to it. thinks, trump could win a landslide. dan, you think trump has no chance. you guys debate that. mary: we are not going to debate . we love each other.

mark: what states do you think obama one that trump could win? mary: let me repeat something you already know. we have been wrong in every single juncture. mark: answer the question. mary: i didn't say trump is reagan. i am saying that people are sick of political correctness and identity politics, and i think he has a highly motivated, low-propensity voter base on which he can add -- john: what states will he win? guys have been moving into the purple category, colorado, new mexico, i do not think pennsylvania. but there are enough states. he has to win florida and ohio. and i think he could possibly win some of those northwestern states that have gone democratic lately. >> romney got 42%.

of the latino vote in florida. mark: what percentage do we think trump will get? 20%? 5%? he goes through these states. i am not asking trump to be reagan. i do not think he can preserve the romney. this will have huge implications. mary: right. currently. today. but we are political light years away from the convention in the general election. the capacity to act presidential and he has assets, not least being some professionals around him now, think he will get a greater percentage of nontraditional non--- nontraditional republican voters. i am not a pro trump person. i'm an anti-hillary clinton person. let's not get this mushed up. mary: one thing -- somewhatave all been

humbled by getting this completely wrong over and over. we have all gotten us wrong. the general election seems like a bit of a stretch. i findlook presidential, that, i mean, i see that in the press. lookingvoting to presidential. looking presidential is one speech, and reading attila prompter. time, that would address the issues paul ryan has. mary suggested trump's professionalizing. talk a little bit about his new finance chair, who you know. dan: this is someone who is not known for, in the political fund-raising circles. i just think, trump needs to raise half a billion to $1 billion in a few months. most people put these kinds of severalogether over years. it is a complex process. the idea that you conflict -- conflict a switch and do it in

several months, into-three months, he has chosen someone to do it who is not known or being able to do this. he may have access to small dollar donations but at the end , of the day, as much as everyone talks about small dollar donations you need to , build the resources. you need a high dollar bundling operation to run the campaign against hillary clinton. >> all super pacs and bundle. -- and web in a bundle. i will disagree with you guys. my proof existent. bernie sanders, ted cruz, they raise the money. unique capacity to get plenty of earned media. no one has ever gotten -- dan: i agree with that. john: mary agreed with mark. welcome to the libertarian party. congratulations. a new day in mary matalin's life.

still a republican. john: coming up, two former obama's speech writers weigh in. ♪

john: you are watching "with all due respect." we have john favreau and john lovett's. speechwriters to talk about donald trump and a lot more. we will be right back.

john: maybe we should have had our next guest read the teleprompter instead of me.

they used to put words and teleprompters. they are armor speechwriters, john favreau and john lovett. you guys are awesome to be here. it is an opportune moment. you are both highly qualified communications professionals. ask you first about the topic that everyone in the world is talking about, that we talked about already. >> climate change? >> climate change. i want to hear your views on that. but first, i want to ask you if it where you, and you were advising donald trump, would you have considered it advisable to send out a tweet celebrating single demaio eating a tocco bowl and saying, i love hispanics? exit would be hard. -- >> it would be hard. that is not a good tweet. actually an is not ethnically traditional dish, i don't think. it is sort of like a cuban on

white bread. you know what i mean? the: you seized on that is biggest problem. what is your thought about that? outreach strategy. >> i am sure when he said, i love hispanics, that had nothing to do with the toggle bold. it was a non sequitur. i don't know. it is funny, people started thinking a couple days ago, maybe we would get a disciplined donald trump. he will not be the person we saw in the primary. i don't know if you can actually pull that off to the next six months. it is who he is. mark: neither trump nor clinton are a perfect candidate. >> give me a break. positions. are issue in terms of political skill, in terms of performance, are the equal? is one better than another? don't say you object to the premise. does performance matter? >> sure it does.

we are in the middle of a national crisis. i don't want to treat him like a normal candidate. he is not. when a plane crashes, a bunch of things have to go wrong. all of the safeties and backups and hydraulics and the pilot has to make a mistake. we are one mistake away from the plane crashing into the mountain. is trump a good politician? i don't know. he is a nightmare. i don't know. >> i think his skills are overestimated. he has captured 40% of the republican primary in a 17 person field. nobody laid a glove on him for the first three months. in those three months, he was able to consolidate a certain bases of support within the party. it is a party that is broken. if anyone underestimated anything, it was the state of the republican party, which is much weaker than the democratic party. i want to double back to his skills. you say the republicans controlled the house, the senate, lots of governorships,

>> on a national level. it is only broken as a presidential party. wins a party the needs to national elections or win statewide in states that are purplish. was a better political athlete, hillary clinton donald trump? >> hillary clinton. she has been for many of these elections before. i think she will, look. i think donald trump will continue to send out tocco tweets for the next six months. he will turn off large, large majorities of people, and she won't. i think she has, her ratings are obviously slightly underwater now, but at the end of the day, you are not going to win a presidential election with 70% non-approval ratings. >> i will answer directly. mark: thank you for -- john: thank you for stooping so low. down donaldt

trump's in same policy positions, he does come off as authentic. he does things that are charming. you can forget all the other stuff. that's not what it takes. there is a value, a political value to being disciplined, to maintaining kind of a coherent agenda, and message over time, and also, by the way, not saying things that alienate 70% of the country. for all donald trump's qualities that have worked for him, he is not geared to it -- win a national election. a vivid memory, and we have at interchanges on twitter, one of the nights during the republican nomination went from did a disciplined performance. the first one in florida. you tweeted, that was well executed. urgede to democrats -- democrats to register, get ready for a big fight. are you saying that was not an

acknowledgment of the fact that the guy had some performance skills you considered estimable? , heess performance skills has certain messages that cut across party lines or traditional party lines. right? -- the populist nature of his message, anti-trade with anti-wall street, he cobbles together a message that, when very disciplined, can appeal to different kinds of people. a couple weeks after that, when the wisconsin primary happened, and he was totally up -- off message and he said a million crazy things, like, i think there is a world where, if donald trump could stay on his hisage and his is he -- issues message, he could be competitive, i think that time has passed. he has done so much damage him as somebody are paying attention, there are so many -- so few people who have not formed an opinion, the die is cast. as a democrat, shift the focus to hillary clinton. if you were thinking about, she

has a challenge going forward, right? she is likely to be the democratic nominee. donee sanders has something extraordinary. he has created extraordinary part of then a huge democratic electorate that she has not connected well with. >> compact -- john: he is winning young voters overwhelmingly. she needs to get a bunch of those people to vote for her. as a communications challenge in a policy challenge, what would you advise her to do to fix the problem? >> the most important thing she is going to have to do, and she is doing, is making clear to the bernie sanders supporters that she is on their side, and she is going to fight for them, that she and bernie, while they are theerent, sharing overarching goal. i think there will be an event with bernie sanders and hillary on the same stage and it will assuage that kind of worry. at the same time, the democratic primary has been ordinary. there is a traditional

candidate, an insurgent that is antiestablishment, more liberal. it is great. we will coalesce around the establishment candidate. the republican side is abnormal. that is scary. for the reservations people have a out -- about hillary, there is a sense of incredible purpose to getting behind her. you are excited about the prospect that trump could win, or the concept of him being the republican nominee? >> we all live with the threat of random chance and bad things happening. the great thing about our system is that, all these checks against that from coming to fruition. we are way too close to something very, very dangerous for my comfort. john: thank you. we'll be right back. ♪

mark: welcome back. what does donald trump make a paul ryan's statement -- about paul ryan's statement? trump wrote, "i am not ready to support paul ryan's agenda. perhaps in the future, we can agree what is best for the american people. they have been treated badly personal long, it is time for politicians to put them first. john: i don't feel like love is in the air. mark: we will have more on the wild presidential race all law -- all night. you can listen to this program every night on the radio, loopnet -- bloomberg 99.net. saldigital education with khan. ♪

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