>> welcome to the best of with all due respect, a decisive week in the republican primary season . some of cap is the last man standing in what was once a field of 16 candidates. his final rivals fell, ted cruz and john kasich called it quits after donald trump dominated the indiana primary. >> bernie sanders scored an upset in the hoosier state. he could possibly soldier on to the convention in tilde via. -- in philadelphia. >> we talked to strategist about

new political realities. ,oining us now is mary matalin influential republican strategist and dancing your -- dan senor. you, telll start with us what is going to the speaker's mind at this moment when donald trump is trying to unify the party and the speaker is not on board. >> he believed is it incumbent upon donald trump to unify the party, not his job or mitch mcconnell's job, it is the nominees job. he was struck by these calls for party unity. like everyone should just fall in line. he is not against getting behind a unifying figure but if there is some apprehension about unity

now, that is donald trump's job. >> asked whether he would support donald trump, he is a voter and a citizen, he is not there yet, what is required on donald trump's part? dan: he is serious questions about donald trump's temperament to be commander-in-chief and judgment. >> what does he have to do? dan: he is not providing a checklist but saying over the next couple of months, earn my support. trump has behaved in the last few months, rhetorically, temperamentally, gives people a lot of pause about whether or not he is worthy of having their support. >> we think this is a big deal, is it? mary: with all due respect, you

are overreacting. with your analysis that this is some white night effort. >> we said people might speculate about that. forget that, the notion of the speaker of the house withholding support of the presumptive nominee of his party, is that abigail -- is that a big deal? mary: indiana was two days ago, it is premature, it time errors are emotional and this one in particular is emotional as mainstream republicans and regular republicans and conservative republicans are very angry at the party. my analysis is that paul ryan is speaking to conservatives and saying, we understand that you are not about a party or a person, you are about principles and he would like to hear from donald trump, as many of us would like to, particular we who

registered as libertarians, more about his policies. he has to flesh out some principles that comport with why people have supported the republican party in the past. >> when did you reregister as a libertarian and where do you stand on voting for trump? mary: i am a provisional trump because i like his attitude. i like his strategic that's the -- hutzpa. he but mastro -- macro messaging over micro-targeting. enough.o not know he would win in a list got -- landslide if he stopped with women. he could get some african-americans and millennial bottles -- voters. it would be great if you rated in a little bit. >> you reregister as a libertarian when? mary: today.

>> why? mary: because i am a republican in the jeffersonian, madisonian sense, not for a party or a person, the libertarian party represents the constitutional principles that i agree with. clearly explained, is there no connection in your view between donald trump being the presumptive nominee and you leaving the republican party? mary: let me make this clear. i am never hillary, always liberty. i have said it publicly, after two successful blowout you like -- successive blowout elections for conservatives with a non-response from washington, a lot of conservatives are angry with the party, i can still vote for republicans but i will never vote for hillary. >> you have left the republican party.

nothing to do with donald trump? know enough about donald trump, i know three things about his economic policy. if your husband that the democratic party, would you think that was a big story? mary: it would be a juicy story for me and contribute mightily to marital tranquility. [laughter] never drop -- donald trump? dan: i will never before donald trump. >> what separates you from paul ryan? thought that the primary would go on for a while, no one expected ted cruz to drop out dues and night. the notion -- to drop out tuesday night. , on tuesday, it donald trump accuses ted cruz's

father about being involved with the assassination of john f. kennedy and wednesday, people are outraged that paul ryan has not endorsed the person who has done these things is absurd. chris christie needs to know, he will call paul ryan, the idea that chris christie is the bridge to paul ryan is amusing. the idea that people need to find out what the problem is, this guy is a problematic guy, people have concerns. >> so much to talk about. this question of the bushes. bushes saying they will stay out of it, a big deal. dan: a huge deal. >> george herbert walker bush has been involved in every presidential election since he was president. dan: i get it. problems,nald trump's

he has fractured the party and it is his job to figure out how he will win over these people. ary, have you talked to anyone in donald trump's world, have they ask you for advice? mary: i will not comment on that, if he gets to put together a good ground game, i am confident he will win. , some thingsething trump politics, that his family, for their are famous affections for each other, and if someone set of your son or brother, what the donald said about jeb bush, you would have the same reaction. less with politics and this has more to do with their family affections. >> the party is currently divided, the speaker of the house, the governor of massachusetts said he will not vote for donald trump. >> a couple of u.s. senators.

>> if the donald trump campaign calls you for advice and they say we want to win your vote and paul ryan's vote, what would you tell them they should do? mary: stop your high school antics. williaman keep suburban beard -- women. if a guarantee on scotus. mike lee./ stand up straight and comb your hair and flesh out economic policies. >> dallas for msu call hair as part of the index -- that was actually four unless you call hair as part of the antics. >> you have connection to forces with the never trump movement, they are still out there, is there still a never trump movement, not like i will not vote for him but to try to stop

him from being the nominee? dan: some donors will sit on the sidelines and stay out of the race. some donors looking for ways to find an independent candidate, center-right candidate to be on the stage with donald trump and hillary clinton. i will not mention names. people who might want to have -- dan: ben sass is an interesting guy. him.uld use someone like to help make the case for conservatives. ballot anddown budgets will he throw this in the house of representatives and win and you make a statement about the future of the conservative movement that it should not be in the hands of this guy who is hijacking in and does not believe in conservative principles and has the wrong temperament for the job, republicans can have someone to

vote for if they are uncomfortable with donald trump. some donors will go to donald trump, butor donald they will not donate because he is worth $10 billion. work for au president bush to 140% of the hispanic vote, donald trump sent out a tweet on cinco de mayo eating a talk of all saying i love hispanics. saying i love hispanics. what do you make of that -- what, latino outreach? mary: let me challenge and disagree with all of you. the reason donald trump hijacked the republican party is the same reason any hostile takeover is successful, the underlying element is weak, the party was weak, the party has not been for

several successive elections responsive to its base. that is why in walks donald trump. please antics -- these antics could only be completed by him because he has this capacity to attacks which he will do with hillary clinton, the more you attack them, the stronger he gets. >> what do you think about donald trump's tweet? mary: i do not tweet. i do not facebook. that is what his people love to -- that is what people loved. people like you do not like it. nontraditionalto republican voters including african-americans and millennials because he has a good job message and he is a character. >> i want you to talk amongst

yourself, mary takes donald trump could win but you think he has no chance. debate that. dan: we are not going to debate that. mary: we love each other. states you think obama one that donald trump could win? mary: let me repeat something you are a no, we have been wrong at every single juncture. people are angry. >> answer the question. mary: i did not say donald trump's ron reagan, people are sick of identity politics, political greatness, he has a highly motivated, low propensity voter base onto which he could add -- >> what states good u.n. -- what states could he win? colorado, new mexico, i do

not think pennsylvania. he has to in florida and ohio. florida and ohio and he could possibly win northwestern states that have gone democrat lately. 42% of the got latino vote in florida, what percentage do we think donald trump will get, 20%, 10%, 5%? i am not asking donald trump to be reagan, he cannot preserve and that has you down ballot implications. mary: currently but we are light years away from the convention and the general election. he has shown the capacity, we collectivity but he can act presidential. has professionals around him and he will get a great test

greater percentage of nontraditional republican voters , i am not a pro donald trump person, i am a liberty lover and an anti-hillary clinton person. been somewhatll humbled my getting this wrong over and over. although the general election does seem like a stretch. the idea he can look presidential, i find that -- i see that in the press, he is pivoting to looking presidential, like looking presidential is looking -- doing one speech. suggested donald trump is professionalizing, talk about his new finance chair. dan: he is not known in the political fund-raising circles. raiseald trump needs to half $1 billion to $1 billion,

most people put these armies together over a time of years, a complex process, the idea you can flip a switch and do it under six months. he has chosen someone to do it not known for being able to do this. he may have other access to small dollar donations. at the end of the day, you need to build the kind of resources, you need a high dollar bundling operation to run a national campaign you need against hillary clinton. >> all super pack and web. not going to bundle. mary: i will disagree with you guys. my proof is bernie sanders, ted cruz, they raised money. capacityump's unique to get plenty of earned media. >> i agree with you. >> let's finish on that because

mary agreed with mark. >> welcome to the libertarian party, congratulation. s. >> breaking news. >> still ahead, we breakdown the state of the democratic race with the clinton campaign chief strategist. ♪

vonnie: our -- >> our next guest is joe bennett. from hillary clinton's campaign. take donald trump's name office candidacy, if he can improve his standing with women voters and hispanics, what kind of achievement would that the in the annals of politics? joe: if i had wings i comply, it

is an uphill climb. downefinition around him is of his own making -- now is of his own making. it is hard to undo, when you have solidified your image on your own efforts. >> is a possible, could he is standing with women and hispanics enough to win, do you rule that out? >> i do not rule anything out completely but when you look at how this is built up and have solidified it is, when you look at when he first started talking about running for president and the things he has been saying over the last four or five years. these ratings have been steady. will pose aing that challenge for donald trump is, he has never shown a propensity to work on his own image, he

spends most of his time with adjectives, little substance and most of his time attacking everybody else. >> there are many things that he has said that has alienated groups, change versus more of the same, she is running as the the third term of the obama administration and he wants to blow up everything when massive numbers of people think the country is on the wrong track or are frustrated at the leads and the establishment. joel: the country being on the wrong track, the numbers on wrong track were higher in 2012 when barack obama was elected. these things are choices. not a simple as change versus more of the same. people feel they have gotten to a certain point. they want to know who can get stuff done who can make a difference in their lives.

residential elections are about the future and not the past, their lives not your lives as a candidate. ofn you look at the range things that affect their lives from greeting good jobs, getting their kids educated, bringing out college debt, hillary clinton is waiting more votes than -- winning more votes than anybody else. >> what to say those of voters are more his stock than four years ago -- pissed off than four years ago? voters?p for grabs ssed off.joel: less pi the repercussions of citizens united and what that has meant in terms of spending and money troubles them. which is an advantage for us. hillary clinton was the first candidate in this election cycle

to call for overturning it and appointing judges who would reverse it and a constitutional amendment if that did not happen. that has people concerned. economically, people are not where they want to be. they feel they have figured out a way to make it work in their own lives, back a little bit closer to where they want to be but they know they are not at that level of security they work before the economic crash and they want someone to look out for their interest and make a difference in their lives and probably help create a better future for them and their kids. >> your head -- or candidate is ahead of donald trump four months in a general election poll, to you expect that to change -- do you expect that to change? joel: i do not, when you look at the reality and what is happening in the republican tweets andrray of commentary from establishment republicans about their dissatisfaction.

including the chief consultant for john mccain, mitt romney, people like mitt romney, who have run before, lindsey graham. their party will make this very difficult to change the numbers on that side of the equation. we have more swing voters, more states will be in play for us. a lot of the swing voters are not just moderates, ideologically, they are modulated in their temperament, they do not like hyper-politics and the hyper-politician is a donald trump character, not hillary clinton. she is a nose to the grindstone, get the work done, make a difference. >> the obama campaign what always say we would already -- rather have our hand in their hand, what does donald trump have that you in the -- that you envy?

>> the media has not treated him republican, megyn kelly criticize the media for let him phone into sunday shows. things that were unprecedented, his unconventional candidacy has had the media offguard. it is game time now and he will face the scrutiny in the questions. anything besides his ability to be unconventional? joel: not right now. >> what about his support with male voters? hillary clinton is running even among male voters. i have mixed views about public polls -- >> you do not. [laughter] >> i am just trying to preempt you. >> when we come back, more democratic poly politesse party

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>> when we talk about a rigged system, it is important to understand how the democratic convention works. we have one 45% of pledged delegates but we have only earned 7% of superdelegates. [boos] >> the way the system works is you have establishment candidate who wins virtually all of the superdelegates, it makes it hard for insurgent candidacies like ours to win. >> dallas bernie sanders in evansville, indiana this morning

railing against the democratic party nomination process. joining us to talk about that is debbie wasserman schultz. nice to see you. why is he wrong? rep. wasserman schultz: he is wrong because we have had these rules in place since 1984 and we have had two types of delegates, the delegates that are pledged, elected by voters, that represent voters. then party leaders and other elected officials who have been in the trenches for a long time and have a role in choosing our party's nominee and the unpledged delegates have never played a role in selecting our party's nominee. >> does that explain why he is wrong? i understand the history and the system exists. his critique of the system is that it is stacked so that establishment politicians

benefit, is that wrong on the substance? rep. wasserman schultz: of course because our party's nominee has never been selected by superdelegates. >> why do you have them? we will take them. excuses you give him an to stay in, he is doing her harm. chaos. all these he is doing her harm. donald trump is picking up these lines of attack to a much larger audience, why can't you control his desire to stay in past the point? rep. wasserman schultz: this will be decided by voters who will vote because they care about who will open -- help them reach the middle class, the general election will be handled that way. and ourpropriate

democratic national committee members have decided it is appropriate for us to have elected officials and party leaders have a role at our convention. the pledged delegates who are selected the voters. both important and this is also important to note, which i have it was decided a long time ago in part to have superdelegates because otherwise you would have, at the district level, activists and other people who want to go to the convention and become a delicate, it's the only way to become a delegate was for everyone to run at the district is an active is going to compete against an elected official who is much better known. gamen you play a fantasy with me. if she loses by a little bit too donald trump, is it fair to say if sanders had not done damage to her by questioning her ethics and honesty and qualifications all spring, it might have turned

out different? rep. wasserman schultz: no, hillary clinton has earned 10 million votes. coming out of the last five or seven of our primaries, our voters have consistently said they are enthusiastic about either one of our candidate, 15% of the -- 58% of pennsylvania republicans thought their party was harmed. wins, noald trump fault of bernie? rep. wasserman schultz: i do not think you will win -- he will win. make a decision based on who will move us forward and build on the progress we have made. registration, -- rep. wasserman schultz: there is irony in him criticizing a process that he now wants to use to become the nominee. >> irony alert.

is there an argument against same-day registration for democratic reimers -- democratic primaries? rep. wasserman schultz: i support that. we are the party that believes we should maximize people's opportunity to vote and republicans think we should strip the electorate because the only way they can win elections consistently is by having fewer people vote. >> open primaries versus closed primaries, sanders says these -- democrat should have all open primaries to get in independence. rep. wasserman schultz: that is decided by state law. >> how do you feel? rep. wasserman schultz: i believe a party's nominee should be chosen by a member registered with that party, we should not have republicans or independents playing games. >> you are against the open primaries? you would like to get rid of

them? rep. wasserman schultz: the party's nominee should be chosen by members of that party. i would not suggest we start trying to change that in states but we certainly should not have any more than exist. it is up to the states. about whetheralk you think it is a problem that bernie sanders was not a democrat. rep. wasserman schultz: we welcomed him with open arms. >> have to stop trump movement right out of options.

>> joining us is kellyanne conway. she ran ted cruz super pacs.

takers, a genuine -- ted cruz, a genuine conservative, outsider, how could he have failed? the bottom line why he failed? kellyanne he succeeded over 15 other candidates. when you have everybody against you, that is successful. being in it -- being in the senate for even a short time is an insider for an electorate that really want an outsider, somebody not part of the system, it needs you raised money -- it means you have raised money, cast votes that people do not like. peoplemazing to think of wanting an outsider that wanting an outsider with no political experience. feat.s a remarkable last summer, then carson was doing very well as a political

outsider with zero experience in washington. donald trump carry the narrative forward in places and with non-college-educated voters and evangelicals that was surprising to me. said you were not just getting delegates but reading the system, it part of a system that works against us. donald trump did a smart thing early on, he logged on to voters who felt that when he was being attacked, they were being attacked, they feel part of a larger cause. >> you have known him for a long time, do you plan to support him? kellyanne: i will support him and i hope others will do, i am part of a never hillary camp, i am disappointed in my republican friends who say they will support hillary. i understand why some say they cannot support donald trump yet that i am a party girl and i have been a party girl when we

had other nominees why did not see has genuine conservatives. >> what are the building blocks of donald trump's come back with female voters? kellyanne: so much of that show much has been written about the on thegap, if he focus issues, in polling, it shows the economy is number one but what do women talk about about the economy, long-term financial security. they mean the cost of food and fuel and paying tuition, the mortgage, the rent and long-term financial security. donald trump should say about hillary clinton, you will -- you have been a public office for 30 years, a typical, conventional politician who has improved her own status and wealth and power and has done precious little to help women across the country. i think he should force a two way conversation on abortion. --t would defant that issue

defang that issue, who is the you who says abortion for anyone, anytime, anywhere, no restrictions for partial board abortion -- partial birth abortion. taxpayer-funded abortions. if he forces a two way conversation you are dealing with unpredictable donald trump against fairly non-resilient status, hillary clinton. >> is she the favorite or he? kellyanne: she is because of the democratic blue wall but donald statesakes some of the obama, he president put some of the voters in play. you look at pennsylvania, he had

thousands of democrats and independents switching their registration to vote for him, that is not nothing and that coupled with mrs. clinton not being able to put away bernie sanders including in these rust belt states, they cleared the field and she still does not have the nomination, donald trump was the 17 out of 17 choices and here he is with the nomination. >> still ahead, a preview of things to come.

>> the front runners in both parties are trying to shed their primary challengers. to talk about that and what we can expect in the coming days is a man who knows general elections well, al hunt. , we talked about this contest to go until june in both parties because neither front-runner will have a majority, are either better

positioned to run out the nomination process and turned to organizing for the general? al: the primary is over after tonight. electione a general matchup, clinton in stronger shape now. do, ihas a lot of work to do not think losing in indiana tonight will make much difference for her. they both need to get ready and donald trump has more work to do. >> what are the ways you think, there is a story that talks about this, in the various ways donald trump is behind, how will it be hardest for him to catch up? al: i do not agree with that story, money matters, organization matters. challenges, his total ignorance about issues, ultimately they matter, you

cannot go to a general election not knowing much about national security, taxes, the budget, and so forth. for all of the attacks, most of which have been counterproductive, some issues have not come up, racism, you have to go back to george corley wallace to find any presidential candidate who has played the race card the way donald trump has, it may be attractive to some, it will turn off independents and young voters. partyre is money that the -- do you think he can turn to the kind of fundraiser the republican party has had? al: he has to try, he does not have much experience. i talked to a few of it isnaires, not many, quite clear that donald trump does not have the liquidity or inclination to fund his own campaign so he has to try to do that.

how well he does that and how much some of those big donors would like to figure out a way to focus on the congressional races rather than the presidential race will be important. >> stay with that, today and rollins will join a pro trump super pac, is the solution for him to go big on the super pac front. you do not need that many billionaires to write big checks to get up to the billion dollars you need for a general election, is that the play for donald trump or does that undercut one of his key messages which has been i am not bought and paid for, i do not own anything too special interest? al: donald trump has never been impeded by consistency. he will not be this time. that, id rollins doing interviewed him for charlie rose two weeks ago, donald would be a disaster in the general election, ronald reagan would be mortified but now he wants to play.

super pacs may be the only way that trump can go and there may be a way, a couple of big sugar daddies that so hate hillary clinton that they will fork over. >> what about what ted cruz did today in response to what ted cruz -- donald trump said about his father? scarlet fu al: al: --al: it probably was not helpful, if anyone said that about my dad when he was alive, as outrageous as his racist comments. thenational enquirer may be trump house organ that to go on a radio show and say that, i can understand why ted cruz did what he did. , a question we talked about earlier, watching the way ted cruz has performed over the last week in indiana with all begin next and hail have maybe one

the state if he performed better in indiana? , thosere is that big mo northeastern primary wins were so big, so overwhelming that i think it is doubtful. it did not work but he threw a hail mary passes because when you are behind, that is the only path you can throw. you can throw. he did not have a lot of choices. >> a theory by a smart republican, the reason donald trump this outrageous thing today about ted cruz's father is to signal to republican, get him out of the race, the more the party will be divided the more he stays in the race, force him out and let me be the nominee and i will say this stuff about the clintons. al: and i think he will, they are the have. ted cruz has to make a decision.

he went in thinking i may not win this time but i will be well-positioned for next time and you win a couple and you think this could be my year. i am sure he has not given up the future thoughts and i think he will stay in -- to stay in if he loses badly will be bad for him. he will focus on hillary clinton, he will say the same things but people can talk about can trump change, no, he has not changed in 45 years. --if you are washing watching us on washington, d.c., you can also listen to us on the radio. ♪

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