>> welcome to the traditions of the best with all due respect for it it was a big week for the republican party. a health -- high-profile meeting between donald trump and party leaders and original shortage of press coverage. ryan, ryan previous, and donald trump behind closed doors. the donald visits d.c. >> mr. trump goes to washington. >> mr. trump goes to washington. >> why didn't we think of that? mr. trump goes to washington.

in event so big it requires not one box, not to come enough five. not four, not day inas quote, a great d.c. > that's how donald trump described his meeting with leaders in capitol hill. the press got there early report trump's major meetings. percy met with ryan and pre-bus. he also spoke with mitch mcconnell. ryan and trump released a joint statement that that impart quote, while we were honest about our differences, we recognize they were many important differences where there was common ground.

we are totally committed to working together to achieve that goal. trump later tweeted quote, great day in d.c. things working out really well. reportedlyoon, trump met with james baker and lindsey graham, the senator from south beenina who had anti-trump. you may recall that graham may seem to be forming to trump. why if anything -- what if anything was accomplished to date with trumps visit along with paul ryan? ryan is a rising star in the republican party.

i'm more intrigued by the potential political opportunity of donald trump beginning to get on nationalld security. realist than of a towards by the view bush -- george w. bush. >> there's no doubt that the isus of the rhine meeting the focus. he also met with senate told him how he can win. with that -- the fact that he had asked ended meetings and listened a lot. paul ryan said trump was very gracious and personable. i think he did himself a lot of good. me minute women in the party

want someone they can trust. women in thed party want someone they can trust. nicolle: why is ryan so accommodating at this moment? >> i'm surprised at how far he went. he really tried to accentuate the moment. a bunch of republicans have endorsed trump the last several days. a bunch of committee chairs. -- they cank those be anti-trump. i think ryan realizes now that trump can win and he wants to have trump a partner in governing. mark: it is interesting to me that trump and ryan are different on policy as ryan and be.ary clinton may

the policy and trade, title meant reform, you could go on and on. back.k when you look it is when people reach across the partisan divide. this made the rare instance where republicans are doing the longer grab. >> they do agree at some things. mark: i think you're grasping at straws. -- and of both donald trump paul ryan said they still have differences. you mentioned some of them. which do you think are the ones that will matter? which of those immerses do you think cannot be tapered over? nicolle: having covered

campaigns, it is the economy. i think that winding some economic message, it does not aboutaul ryan cringe donald trump's trade wars. i think those are differences that are so fundamental. >> why couldn't trump rewrite his tax plan? nicolle: while trump can, paul ryan cannot. trump -- >> i think they will have to agree to disagree on immigration. the entitlement reform, i think ryan can move. i think trump can make the switch. i think we'll know more

about his appetite for doing something that is very unpopular. don't want to hear that they will get less when it comes to entitlement. >> you can pretend it's not going to be less, it is just going to be different. the big thing for me is tax reform. i think trump could change his plan and ryan could be happy. nicolle: i think you're right about that. so, all of this said, the you think the rhine endorsement endorsement is almost imminent or probable? is they don't want to make it a big deal. he could sort of ease into it. i think he went a long way today. it is inevitable now. i don't imagine he could back down, particularly because so many of his colleagues have gotten on board. i think he can say i have gotten to know him and i am now

comfortable with him being a better president than hillary clinton, but someone that we can work with to change the country. trump was running not just against washington, but against the republican party. bill clinton did the same in 1992 and then he turned a little bit. once he reaches that point, i think ryan will endorse him. nicolle: i think it's likely. i don't take it imminent. i think ryan is such an intellectual horse and i think there is an element of their -- i think there is an element of their p/e -- therapy. andpeaks to his talent complexity that we did not know he has. >> up next, a trump advisor and a rhine advisor will be here to talk about their meeting in washington after this break.

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>> i think we are off to an encouraging start. it is important to get ourselves at full strength. it takes more than 45 minutes. >> that was house speaker, paul ryan, answering a question i

asked about donald trump. derailment, welcome. -- gentleman, welcome. -- : mark: what would you say was accomplished today? i think a lot of them got to meet donald trump for the first time. pre-conceived notions start to erode away. that causes you withy that you won't stand

-- outcome would have been for him to come endorsed trump for outcome three which is him saying no i will not endorse him or outcome three of which is what occurred. effectively, donald trump is on trial and i'm going to work with him. republicant senior to come out of a meeting with the presumptive nominee and say i'm so not ready to endorse is not inconsequential. mark: what is the implication of it if his going to endorse? >> i don't know that he will. i think he probably will. but he wants to see if he and trump 10 work together and get trump educated enough that he feels comfortable that he is actually a conservative.

i don't believe he is. i don't think a lot of people think he is. i think what would have been in dangerous -- would have been dangerous is for him to endorse him and then trump revert back to his schoolyard antics. and then have all out there sort of completely embarrass because he have endorsed -- has endorsed this guy who is bouncing around. skepticu were a trump when you were working for ben carson. when you look at this, what is the psychological profile you see? [laughter] >> he's at the final stage. when john mccain was running, i was never mccain. there is no way i'm a know-how. no how. was no way,

mark: you're comparing trump to mccain? saying we did not like our eventual nominee. mark: there's not a single issue that donald trump has embraced that is a self respecting conservative say that i actually believe that. and that he will govern with. >> that is your opinion. nicolle: so you and i worked for a lot of the same people. i believe that the people we work with believe at the time. where did we lose the base of our party? >> there's a complete crackup going on in the economy and the electorate across europe and the united states are it everyone is saying this intense --

look at what is happening with the republican party. we are experiencing the symptoms of an accurate -- electorate across the board. i think there's a lot to learn on this process that we have lost some of our party as the democrats have. the idea that the vessel for frustration, that loss, should be a guy who does not believe in anything. cost to beat the trump campaign to not have all rhine right now? to not have the bushes, to not have mitt romney? is there a cost to winning? last few look at the

polls, frankly, not much. home.publicans are coming it should not be surprising to anyone. bushes for mitt romney do not live in washington. nicolle: i think his supporters view going to washington and trying to make up to the establishment as a potential landmine. 2008 after mccain had the nomination locked up, he was 7-10 points ahead of obama. of these pollsot is a mistake. saidump came out today and i'm for expanding obamacare, not shrinking it. not expanding it, basically

taking the position that bill clinton has per it if trump is that would you be ok with it? >> no. i don't believe it is a complete let. -- blip. flip. -- >> he said you're not going to get the tax cut that i want. you have to go through congress to get it. >> what about title meant reform? he said i don't want to do what entitlements. >> i don't want to waste my time to convince you. all he wants to do is make sure nobody gets hurt and we can do that. >> that is not what he has said. >> i'm telling you what he wants

to do. >> can i ask you a question? is what he says publicly different from what he wants to do? >> i think the way you interpret things for forward -- >> i do. when politicians run for office, their words matter. he has set a lot of words. you're asking me to discard his words. feelings asre your an analyst about whether or not trump has a chance to win the election? think trump has a 30% chance, a 40% chance of winning? die think he is an above 50% chance? no. analyst, you look at it and say he doesn't have a shot.

if you look at the idea of someone like donald trump as commander-in-chief, i think the message it would send to the world is that the 30% scares a. that is actually high. mark: what if he chooses someone as his running mate who is respected? visor, buta closer he picks positions them up and then drops them. whether it is issues or people, he picks them up and drops them. at the end of the day, he is the commander-in-chief or could be. he has to reassure voters, the country that he has the chops and credentials, the judgment and temperament to be commander-in-chief. i don't believe the running mate changes it.

mark: bob gates were his running mate it would have to affect the review. nicolle: i want to ask you both. was there any part of paul ryan that was dying on the inside/ crying -- part of these men that was dying on the inside for both of these men? >> i don't think so. >> paul ryan is a political leader of ideas. watching the conservative movement unfold, i think is difficult. he is also the leader of a party. dawn trump used paul

ryan's name as a last line at his event could will he keep doing that? not expect him -- i mean there are suddenly all these brand-new conservatives that have not -- i have not seen at the meetings for decades that are conserved -- concern. >> i agree that it is laughable. i think it is a rare fatigue that washington republicans have not then concerned with developing a real agenda. >> let me tell you something. politics are important. how we talk about them are far

more important and that's where we really have failed. the reason we get 45% is because nobody thinks we even care, let alone listen. thank you guys both. great discussion. up next to the general election game plan of the super pacs supporting hillary clinton. ♪

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we're going to try to break that today and speak the truth or it looking at the weight republicans ran against donald trump, what have you learned from what works? >> not much. mark: four what did not work? >> ignoring him did not work heard wedding to the last minutes of not work, but i also think what did not work is having an electorate comprised only of republican primary goers. i think there are some super pac adds that will be successful. mark: like what? >> i think the at talking about his comments around women, the comments around prisoners of war. i think they are pretty powerful. one of the great things is that they gives us an opportunity to our own at in

testing. we are thankful for not only the money spent, but for helping us as we get ready for the general. mark: is it true you will eventually show ads showing american workers that were, in their view, hurt by chumps economic business -- donald trump's economic business? >> i think we will show a whole host of people that were or would be hurt by his policies. he attacked hillary on trade, but brags about hiring workers from english and china. we will focus on his business record. on his temperament and character, and on how he approaches national security and foreign policy. mark: you believe if early advertising is effective it will limit any chance for him to win? >> i think we will have to go until the end.

donald trump knows no boundaries. he is not a conventional candidate. he does not wage a conventional campaign. and not to just do it on television. we are investigating -- investing $40 million online. unlike a lot of previous efforts, that is going to be a big part of our operation. his lack of convention has been on display for several months. he attacks president clinton, president clinton's personal life. what does your research tell you about the -- about those kinds guest: i think you can look at the fact that 1998 was the only election in modern history where the incumbent

presidents party did not thin. i think mark's point was incumbente -- president posh party did not lose. way to be done on chump is not to become him and to try to lift the content of this election, the content of this -- the stone of the selection -- the tone of theis election. been other tests that show that the right combination internet reachnd voters. i don't think investing 90% of your money in broad cap television works.

around 60-40. >> campaigns look at the performance of their super pac by the end of the campaign and said they didn't do what we wanted. are you going to avoid that? exam ofnk 2012 with the a super pac doing great work. the work priorities did very early on. day the ad washe the top testing ad of the cycle. our job is to tell the truth about donald trump. are confident we have a path forward on how to do that. >> $90 million of reserved airtime. thatly what percentage of 91 million do we spend on negative ads? >> it is still pretty early.

quarter, one third positive. i think a lot of work the clinton campaign will do will be positive. >> but you don't make any pretenses to the notion that recorders will be negative, that doesn't indicate the tone of the campaign? talkingor us to be about his record, i do think it is ok for us to contrast record to tell the truth about our opponent. he will never talk about his divorce. we will take a look at his whole business record. in terms of personal life, that is not something we are going to do and i don't think it would work. >> i know you are not going to answer this, but where'd you think she is most vulnerable? them i do think there is a misconception about her record on trade.

in the senate she voted against trade agreements she thought weren't fair. one of the things we learned from the primary and the last five days is you never know what he is going to say. our job is to be as prepared as we camped to take him on. we are going to go on the air earlier. >> thank you for being here, always a pleasure. add in mark to the equation, the great mark mckinnon.

>> hats off to our next guest, mark mckinnon, former media advisor to john mccain and cohost on the showtime show.

thank you for coming. ask you to look into the soul of donald trump and then hillary clinton. trump is kind of reading his situation now. classic situation where you get somewhere on your own instincts and got and everybody tries to say you have to leave, you have to pivot. have your family saying let donald b donald. he has that dynamic going and the reflexes to be donald trump and what brought him here, which is what we continue to do. saying, onebeen thousand decisions he has to make in a short period of time.

you have to get a convention up and going, get a vp pick. they can be thinking about message and strategy, he has all this blocking and tackling. they have been a leading arguer to say we need to bring in this. familythey can take some . the best thing that can happen to any candidate is lose an election. that there are only two ways to run. which is to run scared and run a opposed. she and the whole campaign understand you have to run like you are 10 points behind. trump is a different sort of thing to face because there is no point book. >> we talked earlier about the

fact that trump is heading to cleveland. ittalked about the fact that was an extravaganza unlike any convention in the history of the republican convention. >> i have been the republican guy with the jurisdiction of conventions. this is going to be different, we are going to get out of the box. and then just the mechanics and physics set in. a background in entertainment, understands how to do things differently. he just hired a talent agency to -- you are going to have trouble finding a list entertainment that must be featured at the

republican convention. >> what has been true so far as trump has enabled not to attract hollywood stars, he is able to get sports figures. going to get to be on hiserals side, the hollywood actors and rock stars. guest: coaches, sports figures, tom brady. celebrity to be on his side, the -- element of celebrity he will bring back to the table. a lot of people were coming for the celebrity. there is an element of that to keep out trump rand. -- trump brand. >> howard stern. >> give me three factors. i think he will do better than clinton. give me three factors that will in determining against

trump. event, martian invasion, something unknown. an economic cataclysm of some kind like what happened in 2008. in many cases we say the vp doesn't matter. i think it will make a difference. >> what about three things they can control? >> the most important thing they can control is the debate. this will be the most watched the bait in history. people would be watching this around the globe, not just the united states. that is going to be the most important thing of this campaign by far. you wrote about some of these new lgbt laws and how a republic in runs out of those issues. it seems to me trump wins where

he wins and decides to deviate from republican orthodox. drums cultural liberalism as a new yorker may in a fit him with some of these generational issues. i think that is one of his assets. need to belicans more progressive and compassionate, he is heading for the right direction. that are happening in north carolina, for example, when we think about all of the the republican party has trouble with strategically and what it ought to be spending its time concerned about in terms of policy, lgbt bathroom lights is -- bathroom rights is on nobody's list. how would you enforce that? it is not a problem and you can't enforce it. this sends the message to voters

republicans have their heads in the sand. good term for trump, that he is shying away from some of those. >> do you think other republicans have not moved on this issue because they are doing it out of principle or because they are worried about a backlash of their base? >> i never want to exclude the possibility this was political correctness. i think many cases, there was at least some element of political population. trying to bid voters because of their views on other issues. i think in order to be president they will have to. thatu have no doubts

george w. bush would have supported gay marriage as president even though he wasn't publicly for it? >> a lot of people -- like a lot of people he came to discover it. he got enlightened about overtime. >> you said the vice president thing matters a lot. if trump said to you i can get anybody i want to say yes, who should i pick? >> i think the latest rumor about bob corker, that is a sensible approach. >> anybody. trump says magically anybody will say yes. national security, >> given thecans? mess -- given his position on john mccain very sympathetic to donald trump. : powell.

>> condoleezza rice. is thatresting thing the conventional route to go is to shore up their weakness. geographic diversity, ethnic diversity, geological diversity. there is some value to the notion going into the convention that goes the bill clinton route. i think they will put some value into looking into that for trump. .> mark mckinnon when we come back, a very special presentation from a friend of the show, jeff daniels.

a friend of the show, jeff tonyls, to only -- award-winning star -- he was previously the star of many things, including hbo's the newsroom. seen thatu haven't show you will probably see the most famous scene from its very first episode, the moment when mcavoy props into a tie right about whether america is the greatest country in the world. was willingf if he to reprise that seen in the context of the 2016 race. that, let'sow you take a look at the original to refresh your memory. >> can you say in one sentence or less why -- you know what i mean. can you say why america is the greatest country in the world? >> the new york jets.

>> no, i'm going to hold you to an answer on that. what makes america the greatest country in the world? i'm not letting you go back to the airport without answering the question. why is america -- >> it's not the greatest country in the world, professor. that's my answer. >> that's how it starts. let's take a look at how -- let's take a look at our special updated version. >> can you say in one sentence or less -- you know what i mean. can you say why to munch on this case scenario for hillary clinton? is the bestd trump case scenario for hillary clinton? >> for the first time i think an opponent will donate to her campaign. the peskykes trump

scenario for hillary clinton? -- the best case scenario for hillary clinton? i'm not letting you go back to the airport without giving me an actual ancestry at -- actual answer. >> he's not the best case scenario. donald trump is a fact bending loose cannon. attentionnstant media for free. there won't be a day from now until november when trump is on every tv channel. you are going to tell me electing a woman is unprecedented? germany elected a female chancellor. norway, poland, korea, 22 sovereign states in the world have argued beat us on that. guy, in case you actually find yourself writing a third book, there are things you should know. there is absolutely no evidence

to support the statement that trump is the best case scenario for hillary clinton. 37% gave her a favorable rating. 37% said she is honest and trustworthy. and 22% of democrats say she is not enthusiastic about being the nominee. on a personal e-mail server -- that aside. you ask what makes trump the best case scenario? i don't know what you are talking about. his tiny hands? >> we will be right back.

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