? mark: welcome to this edition of "the best of all due respect." it was a setback for hillary clinton. a week from republican leaders into you'd, sometimes the begrudging expression to donald trump, and the two front runners offer a preview for the fall. hillary clinton -- >> officials in needed today said an act of terrorism was more likely to cause the issue. before many details were known, donald trump jumped out and

talked about his social media account and treated, looks like another terrorist attack. the airplane departed from paris. when will we get tough, smart, and vigilant? great hate and sickness. he said his candidacy is buoyed by the perception and protection of strength in times of global instability. as he said on an interview after the terrorist attacks in brussels in march. donald trump: every time we have a problem in this world, i do better. it is not that i wanted. i would rather not have any problems, and that is my choice. i would rather have no problems. every time we have a problem in the world, i do better. you have seen it. whenever there is a national security type problem, i go up, because people see me as stronger. >> hillary clinton waited until this afternoon to weigh in on the crash today, using an interview with chris colon on cnn to highlight this.

hillary clinton: it does appear it was an act of terrorism. exactly how, the investigation will have to determine. he says a lot of things. he says a lot of things that are provocative, that make the important task of building this coalition, bringing everyone to the table and defeating terrorism more difficult. >> why? hillary clinton: when he sends bar all muslims from coming to the united states, that sends a signal to nations we have to work with to defeat terrorism. he has advocated for more countries having nuclear weapons that kind of unpredictable dangerous rhetoric and the policies that he throws out there for whatever hope he has to get people to respond to him make us less likely that we are going to be as effective as we need to be going forward. chris colon: do you think donald

trump is qualified to be president? hillary clinton: no i don't. the kinds of things he is stating, and even the consequences of his statements are not just offensive to people, they are potentially dangerous. >> potentially dangerous. john, this is a preview of the general election fight to come, and the perfectly encapsulate trunk being trump and clinton trying to use all that trumpiness against him. if they do continue to use these approaches, who has the upper hand? john: first of all, nicolle, great to be here with you today. this does encapsulate what it will look like. you are talking about an election that is quite likely to pivot around a lot of national security issues. you have hillary clinton's outing every bit the traditional

sober, serious, tough-minded diplomat and national security figure that she is. trying to, as you say, use trump's impulsiveness and impetuous miss, saying, he is too risky. when you have trump saying over and over again, first of all, trump being trump. but then you have him making basically the argument that donald trump -- ronald reagan made about jimmy carter. you will have him saying, you feel safer now than you did eight years ago? all of that kind of old-fashioned diplomacy and sobriety, all of that hillary clinton talk, we are no safer now. we are more imperiled, and we need a different approach. maybe it seems reckless, but my approach is what more americans want to see. nicolle: i would not have agreed with you a few months ago, but after watching the mood in this

country, after san bernardino, the mood in this country, people that are not ideological players in a campaign here, they say, what is going on? people do have a fear that is not always addressed by the democrats. and trump has rushed to build this vacuum. i feel that what he said with you and mark and mara lago has been true going back. this election will turn on whether it remains true between now and november. john: i don't know how it is going to turn out. i am not making a prediction. i don't know who has the upper hand areas in any traditional year, trump rejects strength and is impulsive and does things like tweeting at 6:00 in the morning this morning, something no normal nominee would do, which is the presumed facts and evidence before any official has spoken on the matter, that would all be considered a liability, and it still may be that donald

trump does not know that much about the world. some of the areas clinton can portray as ignorance make him seem like too risky about. i do not know at this point. it will be a very close fought thing on this topic. nicolle: something we will talk about many more days after today. donald trump as long warned that he would not hold back on personal attacks against bill clinton. he has already pushed things pretty far and pretty early in the race on that front. last night in a fox interview with sean hannity, he took this bubba bashing to a new level. the accusations made against him in the new york times article. donald trump: you look at what clinton has gone through and all of the problems and all of the things he has done. >> how big an issue should that be in the campaign? i looked at the new york times,

are they going to interview broderick, colin jones? in one case it is about exposure, another it is about groping and fondling and touching against a woman's will. and rate. nicolle: at what point will this backfire on him? john: i don't know how soon, but going as far as to play the rape card, there was at accusation of rape against bill clinton. that is not false. but trump is not saying elected -- alleged rape, he just goes ahead and says it. the new york times is not likely to be interview all of those women because clinton is not running for president in 2016. hillary clinton is, and don't -- and although trump will try to tie her to those issues, this will not help him with very many

voters who are not already in his column. nicolle: i agree with you. ivanka trump has to be cautious in this area. i would not give him any advice on this is the line of attack. it would be to narrow the arguments. the arguments he wants to make for hillary clinton is that she participated in sort of making the women part of the target. she focused her ire on monica lewinsky, who she said was a narcissistic looney tune. and she portrayed the women you could argue were victims of his power and sexual appetite, if you will. narcissistic looney tune. so i think trump has to, he has

made clear this line of attack. he is already engaged. he will keep it up, and if he thinks it will do him good, it needs to be narrowed on the campaign. it is ironic we are talking about before the facts were known, he was shooting from the hip on national security, but when it comes to sex you need to be more specific areas that is where we are in this bizarre race. a blockbuster story in the new york times, bernie sanders' campaing will inflict damage on hillary clinton. even if it bruises her for the general election. he is sharpening his tone on the campaign trail and making it known he will not quit. dozens of supporters started to protest the party's national convention in philadelphia. last night at a rally in vallejo, california, he said he would be the better general election candidate that clinton could ever be by going after presumptive nominee donald j trump. bernie sanders: we will not accept a candidate for president like donald trump.

they will not accept a candidate who insults mexicans and latin americans, a candidate who insults muslims, a candidate who insults things every day, women. who insults veterans. who insults the african-american community. our message to the democratic convention is that they want to see trump, and together we must defeat trump together we are the campaign to do it. nicolle: is there anything clinton can do to put this race americans, a candidate who away and prevent a chaotic convention john:? john:yes, there is. i think she can go and beat bernie sanders handily in california and new jersey. the one thing that comes through in the new york times story you talked about is that there is still a little sentence in the

senders campaign -- sanders campaign for all that he has been saying, all of his aggressiveness, there is still a question about how much longer he wants to go. after june 7. if he loses in both of those big states, especially california, where he is putting a lot of effort and energy. if he lost decisively, the wind would come out of the sanders, out of the sanders sales. that would be the best thing to help her cause, beat him badly in that big state. nicolle: but why are the sales even up? this sailboat is -- he cannot be the nominee. he cannot since mid-march. what i cannot get my brain around is why there aren't more figures in the democratic party -- where is elizabeth warren? why should the people he respect -- i would think president obama would energize the same swath of

young college kids. why doesn't anyone stand up and they, it is over, uncle bernie. go back to the senate and make mischief. every time the dust that you cement into undecided voters minds that she is corrupt and part of a rigged political system, you weaken her, and she is now standing in a heated contest against donald trump. if she loses by this much, we can look back at this period as when the most damage was inflicted on her. john: i think calling him uncle bernie will go down very well. mark: we get the update on the great gop unity project 2016. that and more right after this. ?

mark: with us from the canon rotunda on capitol hill is david jolly from florida. he does not yet have both feet on the trump train. he is trained to become the senator from florida. he has a lot going on. thank you for joining us. david jolly: thank you for having me. mark: tell us where you stand on public deliberations on about whether you will be enthusiastically for donald trump rather than just or him because he is not hillary clinton? david jolly: i am not there yet. i do hope he can do it, but my issues are conservative issues in addition to tone. paying off the debt or renegotiating the debt instead of pulling out of nato, one of the great security forces in the history of the country. they are strong policies. i supported another candidate,

but donald won it fair and square. i think you saw some movement on his behalf last week. i hope we get to november and have a unified party. we know hillary clinton's policies, at least on our side, are wrong for the future of the country and foreign policy. willie: what could donald trump possibly say in the weeks or months to you on a phone call or meeting that would convince you he is a true conservative? david jolly: i have serious policy concerns. i would like to see those addressed. i mentioned money to pay off the national debt. concerns about targeting women and children, bringing back torture, i don't think it is necessary to secure the border. we should have a security test but not religious test. i would like to see movement in that direction, but also in a very credible way. one of the reasons i have withheld support as of today is to really see who is donald trump in november? you asked me and may i will

support a candidate in november not knowing what the platform will be, i am not prepared to do it. am i going to stand in the way? no, he has won the nomination. we should begin to look for leadership. i hope it is leadership i can support in november, but i am not there yet. mark: you made one of your signature issues something we talked about, the stop act, trying to break the next this between incumbency and raising money. incumbents can still raise money under your plan, but you cannot ask for campaign contributions. looking at donald trump, the presumptive nominee of your party and how he is approached fundraising, is he bear on these issues? david jolly: will he said what could donald trump do to get my support? endorsed the stop act. it is right in line with this. he has to so many new voters, he

is saying let's get washington back to vote -- back to work. this would directly solicited a campaign contribution for the party. a lot of state legislatures do it across the party. judges on the ballot are directly prohibited from raising money. it is less campaign-finance reform than more congressional reform. incentive spending 20 to 30 hours of great -- a week raising money, let's have a congress that gets back to work on issues like border security and immigration reform, transportation, tax reform. it is called the stop act. we have a website, stopact.com. i need the support of donald trump and bernie sanders to get this over the finish line. mark: but you only have eight cosponsors. if they really were serious about campaign finance reform, they would jump on board this. the american public listens to you. why haven't you found more support?

david jolly: i joke it is seven more than i thought we would have. it is heartbreaking on how little actually gets done up here. it is also a heartbreaking reflection on how money controls reelections. i am not judging or criticizing my colleagues. i am trying to get work on the priorities we came here to work on. when i mentioned the stop act, they see the relief, the breathing room, they want to be helpful. and then you see the reality of big money sink in, and they need to spend time raising money. their political survival relies on raising money. no incumbents don't want to talk about it. we are starting a movement. when we came out with the stop act, people coast-to-coast, democrats, republicans, a third grader understands, get back to work. work on the issues your constituencies asked you to work on. so a retiree sent a letter in iowa saying here is five

dollars, you get the stop act done. we need political leaders. the own leadership in congress but also political candidates to say the stop act is one small step to implement right now. we can then tackled a very complex issue of broad-based financial -- financial reform. mark: thank you very much. coming up, bernie sanders campaign manager jeff weaver after this quick word. ♪

mark: trying us now from burlington, vermont, jeff weaver who joins us again. jeff, thank you for coming on. jeff: my pleasure. mark: we were pretty surprised by senator sanders' statement in

nevada and his calling out what he thought was bad practice. just tell people, what is the worst thing that happened on saturday that really voters should know about and care about? jeff: well, the way the convention started i think if , you watch the video online, you can see it, and it is confirmed by senator nina turner who was there in the room a , former senator from ohio, where they try to pass temporary rules to shut out debate. asking for the jays and nays, the voice vote people said in , the room that the nays won it, at worst not decisive, and they overruled it. they said the ayes had it and then presided just proceeded to go under this debate. mark: so what is the difference between the outcome now and the outcome that according to you would have happened if it had been done fairly?

jeff: i am not sure how the outcome would have been different, but i don't think that is really the issue. the issue is if a huge segment of the democratic party is going to be treated with fairness. i don't think that has happened. bernie sanders has run in states all across this country, and by and large, the state democratic party have been extremely fair and tried to be evenhanded. that was just not the experience in nevada at the state level or at the clark county convention that happened recently where tried to depose against some of their own rules and almost got arrested because there was a perception that they chair was being too fair to the sanders people. it was not just saturday. there were a lot of events leading up to it. i think there is a lot of frustration. obviously, our campaign does not support threats or violence. but clearly there has been a level of unfairness in nevada we have not seen in other states. al: jeff, this is al hunt here. tell us about the harry reid-bernie sanders conversation. jeff: i don't really talk about

people's conversations. i think there are positive conversations. they are friends, they have served with each other in the senate for many years. there is a lot of mutual respect. i am not really going to get into -- al: but senator reid clearly did not anticipate what senator sanders said this afternoon. i mean, it was all from what senator reid said beforehand. jeff: right, well, you know what senator sanders said is he obviously condemns violence. he wants the people who support him to be treated fairly. there are 9 million people in this country who have supported him. there certainly is resistance among some establishment players in the democratic party, whether in nevada party or certainly at the dnc who are not as welcoming of all of these people who have come into the process. all these young people, democratically aligned independence who have come out in many cases, whoever would , come out to support senator sanders' message to support the

campaign finance and the rig economy. al: do you include the clinton campaign in that criticism? jeff: no. i mean, the clinton campaign has not weighed in on this per se, but i think people perceive themselves as operating in the interest of the clinton campaign. mark: given the success you have had and will likely have the remaining contents, are you going to go with the posture of trying to do everything you can to win over super delegates in philadelphia, and so philadelphia will be more about or at least partially about fighting for the nomination rather than coming together behind secretary clinton and fighting donald trump? is that fair to say? jeff: well, i think what is fair to say whoever comes out of the convention as the nominee will come out with a united party

that is prepared to take on trump and the republicans. i think that is certainly fair to say. you know this process has a long , way to go. to see if the delegate margin can be taken down substantially. there certainly would be an appeal to superdelegates, and the senator has said that himself, that there are other issues that have to be dealt with, including looking for ways to open up the nominating process and deal with many of the things we have seen over the course of the year in the various states that are not the result of malice but sort of institutional impediments to people of being able to fully participate. mark: i am not trying to instigate a fight here, but it seems to meet ul -- you all have had enough success tonight -- whatever happens in june, your posture seems to be -- i am just trying to confirm that -- you have disputes about who the nominee is going to be, who to superdelegates should vote for, what should be on the platform, how the democrats should nominate their candidates in the future, that that is up for you all, that that is what philadelphia is about, rather than uniting at the beginning of

jeff: i think at this point, that is exactly right. the convention is about nominating the candidate of the democratic party for president of the united states. that is the whole point of the convention. mark: so you're not looking for to showing up in philadelphia, if hillary clinton seems anointed by the media. you are not looking forward to saying let you out when senator sanders is going to give his big speech endorsing her? jeff: it has been clear that that will have in the day that senator sanders announces. he has said he is going all the way to the convention. you don't need to it from me. he has said it repeatedly. al give us one or two of the most important planks for the sanders' campaign. jeff: many of the issues he has been talking about. universal health health care, $15 minimum wage. free institution -- free tuition. i can go on.

dealing with climate change. mark: ok, jeff. last question, has to be quick. what additive would you use to describe the mood in your headquarters right now? jeff: determined would be the additive i would use. mark: jeff weaver, thank you. when we come back, we are joined by director james roche. ♪

♪ >> you can forget about poverty. you can forget about civil rights. is that what you want?

i am trying to turn this country around and prevent a major war. >> why the hell did i consider you for my vice president? first sign of trouble, you cut and run. >> that was a scene from the film "all the way." about president lyndon johnson. it debuts on sunday at 8:00 p.m. we will watch another clip and talk about the incredible film you may. this clip depicts johnson and gilbert humphrey. >> you don't go and tell a horse about it being blind in one eye. >> this isn't about principle, it's about votes. that is the problem with you liberals. you don't know how to fight.

>> so james roche has made another great film about america. this one with our greatest actors. tell us about why you are interested in lbj. james: he's a complex guy. unbelievable politician. someone who believes you can do with the government and got a huge amount done. we forget looking back through vietnam looking backwards through what he accomplished in 1964, 19 65 -- he accomplished the civil rights bill of 1964, and to take that on it that time when he was seen as the accidental president after jfk's assassination, was an incredible story. mark: and bryan cranston -- >> he got his physicality. it is pretty amazing to watch. al: i saw the movie last night at the national archives. it was absolutely brilliant. you are so right about cranston.

there were times you would see cranston and go back to a lbj scene and you did not know which was lbj and which was cranston. i thought j edgar hoover was absolutely phenomenal. robert carol's great work. >> our playwright became our screenwriter and the adaptation of his own tony award-winning play. he had done of research before the play. i got to inherit that. we did our own research.

we went out and spoke to a number of people directly. a number of the civil rights leaders. ambassador andrew young was a consultant on our film and a number of people in the johnson administration at the time. al: you mentioned vietnam earlier. lyndon johnson does poorly when asked about the public view of presidents. i don't think there is an airport in the country named after him. do you think this will begin to educate people on the other side of lyndon johnson that probably did more great work since roosevelt? >> that is how i describe it. i was 10 or 11 years old in 1968 when he decided not to run again due to the unpopularity of the war. i had forgotten. if you look at the work he did in 1964, medicare, medicaid

quadrupling the national financing of education. npr, pbs, he passed more legislation in those few years than almost any president has since fdr. i think what people will notice when you watch the film is just what it was for people believe government can improve the lives of americans and spent his life doing it incredibly well in those early years. >> this film has and incredible cast. i am just impressed with bryan cranston. this is the most basic question -- what makes him so good at this? >> he did not become famous right away early in his career. he was a great character actor for so many years. i like to work with actors who are great at drama, but also great at comedy.

he has that range. johnson was a priced or sometimes. to get you to jump on his side and pass a bill, he might tell you a ridiculous, off-color joke, or drive you around in his amphibious car to throw you off balance and pressure you, or bully you to get things done. cranston -- brian's range, from the suspenseful moments all the way to the big larger-than-life, texan johnston -- texan that johnston can be, you need a guy like that going into a story like this. >> the play was extraordinarily well received. are there models for that? >> it does not always work out. in this case, you open it up. what i love about johnson's

character, he would get in your face a few inches and put so much pressure, they called it the johnson treatment, or the texas twist. to make it more cinematic, it might go smaller, get in there with the lens and watch this great performance, and then you forget he is bryan cranston. >> the great franklin angelo as woodrow wilson. to get great performances and be right in there in a privileged position. al: you capture the dark side. the really extraordinary insecurities. one point, he said he would quit before the 1954 election. was that hard for cranston to capture? he certainly did it vividly. >> those few days to the

democratic convention when he is curled up in bed like you said, sure that he is going to lose the election depending on lady bird to give him courage to get out of bed, self pitying. heard all of that in the phone call. there were these incredible many -- there were these many incredible phone calls. you can see that on stage. film, you can get a sense of how vulnerable and great the personality and psychological swings were for him. brian, he's got it all. he's got that range. i was not too nervous about pulling that went off very -- pull that one off. >> we are getting sick of your success. >> still ahead, a frank conversation with frank boerne of the "new york times." we will be right back. ♪

♪ >> joining us to discuss some of the big news of the day, "new york times" columnist frank bruni. thank you for being here today. i want to start with today's news. we got the essence of donald trump tweeting before any of the morning shows. we have to be stronger. then we have the essence of hillary clinton waiting for more of the facts to be known. what you think? frank: he said it right there. we are going to find out in this election. do americans want to feel disorderly about this stuff and

not disorderly? that is pretty dangerous. they still in a place where they could be more cool headed? that is the story of this election. we going to be going with and animal instinct, or our brains? >> i worked for a politician who was criticized for responding in the face of terrorism, get them dead or alive. but he finally -- that is the strength people hunger for. has that changed? frank: people hunger for passion. hillary clinton is struggling and continues to struggle was capturing and projecting a passion that people can connect to. and i would not say that it's come's edge -- trump's edge. my prediction is we don't know anything. there is a real difference between george bush and donald trump. >> definitely. frank: i am trying to imagine george w. bush up at night

tweeting as soon as something arises. he was a much more reserved guy. >> in my judgment, he was the perfect combination of understanding what people were feeling, but waiting for all the facts to be known and very cognizant of the impact on the allies. frank: i wouldn't use the word perfect. but i definitely think there was a sense of responsibility of the office and a much greater awareness of what impulsiveness could do in terms of damage. that is a great quest the dow about trump when it comes to presidency and foreign policy. has we had -- have we had a president as impulsive as he is? will within me for national security?

>> in the words of the great salt n pepa, let's talk about sex. [laughter] i was taken with your column back on may 7, you had a column called "sex and the single paw." i would like you to summarize the thesis of that column. then i will ask you a couple of questions. frank: we had many candidates for president that had run from sexual paths. we did not have one where the path was so well known and not in contest, no intent to deny it. that is a real turning point in american politics. so many candidates spend so much energy denying things that trump has said out loud on the howard stern show through the ages. it is interesting seeing him not being penalized to the extent one might expect by the electorate. >> a lot of democrats, frank, thought it is crazy for trump to

throw rocks at bill clinton's house when trump lives in a rather glasshouse on this matter. after the "new york times" story this weekend on trump and women, he is no less emboldened or brazen about talking about bill clinton's indiscretions as before. how do you see this whole dynamic playing out? frank: it will be very interesting to see how voters respond. yes, he has had his playtime with many women. and maybe the nature of his relationships with some women does not fit the ideal a lot of people would have. he accuses bill clinton of being an of user and of sexual assault

and adding another element, in terms of how it gets perceived, he is painting hillary as bill clinton's enabler and challenging her credentials as a feminist. that is a delivered thing he could he makes -- he needs to make up ground with women. he needs to get everyone to mail in america to vote for him to make up for the gender and racial gaps. >> i want to stay on sex because it is so much more fun than what we talk about. i feel like the one person who got under trump's skin was marco rubio when he talked about the size of trump's pants.

and trump spent two days responding to the size of his pants. is there a level where someone could sort of get to him by questioning the sorts of things he is trying to turn into an asset? frank: what you saw in those two days when he was crowing about his beautiful, long fingers. [laughter] it is crazy because he is showing what really matters to him. that goes back to the column i wrote. we have never had a politician that got this far, i nominee of one of the two parties who was this candid and naked about his reputation, his desired reputation as a swordsman, shall be say. [laughter] >> fingers, hands, i can't take it. >> the phallic imagery is just getting out of hand. here is hillary clinton standing in the middle of this. donald trump on one side. bill clinton on the other. also have very colorful pasts. what is the way in which he could profit from this environment in which these two out for males are engaged -- two alpha males are jousting over these matters have been discussing? frank: she has to do what she

has been doing. unfortunately, it is boring. she has to focus on the job she has held. people disagree on how well she has done in those jobs. she has a dazzling resume as any presidential candidate we have had in the last quarter-century or half-century. the more she can keep directing people toward that, that is her biggest painted over donald trump. the end of the day, if voters want her, they will want her for that reason. >> thank you very much. a very, varied conversation. >> if you are watching us in washington d.c., you can listen to us on the radio. we will be right back. ♪

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