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love the 90's. glaxo wellcome, you've got mail -- e, you got mail. john: talk to the hand, sports fans. on this time traveling, 2k,owback episode, forget y we're talking about donald trump and his rhetoric over bill clinton. it is now as quitting his personal attacks on hillary clinton by dredging up 20-year-old allegations of sexual misconduct. womeneased audio from two who accused pope and and of sexual assault years ago. also, other conspiracy theorists are calling the suicide of the

vince foster "very fishy." he says people continue to bring it up because they think it is absolutely a martyr. this is of course not the first time trump has released these suspicions. its not a comedic gave him much attention in the last 24 hours, right? >> he is bringing forward allegations against former president bill clinton. >> it features the voice of monica lewinsky. also providing conspiracy theories about the vince foster, saying there could be foul play. x he is going all the way back to the 90's in order to escalate his personal attacks against bill clinton. not hillary, but bill, his behavior with women. >> his message here, every time you bring up the economy and bill clinton, i will turn the conversation to this other

thing, every single time. >> i think we will see it all from him. if we are in the gutter now, by the time this is over, we will be in a subterranean a simmer because there is nothing he will not say. various hosts have been asking whether trump has gone too far in his attacks. and bill reilly, no stranger to clinton-bashing, told trump he should probably ease up. if."d answer was "as about put stuff up hillary clinton and bill clinton, it is tawdry stuff. i am not sure it is a good thing. to do that. >> i am only responding to what they do. she has been very nasty. >> i understand what you're trying to do is inhibit mrs. clinton from attacking you personally, i think, if you play that game, i can come back 10 times harder.

i understand that. makes theow it country look bad abroad, and things like that. that is what worries me. >> i don't like doing that, but i have no choice. when two hits me on things, i have no choice. they have been dirty players, historically, and i have to fight back the way i have to fight back. there's been a lot of spin on this issue from both sides. so frame the question before us, from the lead singer of the 90's band, spin doctors. >> is bill clinton's history during the 90's a pocket full of kryptonite for hillary? [laughter] mark: is that really the question? you? yes, what say mark: a lot of them are fair many are allegations

and conspiracy theories that the internet will go wild on, and people on broadcast tv can use as an excuse, it is all over the internet. truth, and stand for we should say that what he is doing, he should not be doing. just as he should not have been the leader of the birther movement. jamming the system by doing this stuff, it makes it hard for hillary clinton to gather a head of steam. fostering about vince more disqualifying than talking about the birther movement? him will say it will cost the election, i am not so sure. john: i'm not sure if it is disqualifying, the vince foster thing is nuts. the bill clinton things are real things, and there is an argument that the left and right have put forward over her complicity in that.

so it is an issue. the question is, whether it is effective. from the polling we discussed yesterday, the fact that he is consolidated republicans and they arents, i think parked with him. but they are still kicking the tires on donald trump. these are not available for persuadable voters to help trump to eventually become the president of the united states. that is my argument for why it is a dumb argument. been a generaler election candidate before. does he have a great feel for america? he has some. leaving aside the repudiation one must engage in, you cannot deny he has defied people's expectations about what works and what does not. he has gone after things people care about, but some voters will tune it out. we all ignore knowledge this is a different electorate. one of the things the clintons

have done well, i think you will agree with, the people who win the presidency and the u.s. when it by talking about the future, and not the past. well, clinton campaign is talking about the past, as well. 2000 six,g back to the clinton campaign has released its own blast from the past. a video about donald trump. it includes audio from the real , saying he hopes the housing bubble will burst so we can make more money. today, the clinton campaign dispatched in army of surrogates, including angressman ryan, to hold conference call with reporters and blitz their media markets with criticism of trump's remarks on the financial crash. here is the talking point on the immediate call. >> it is very clear to me that donald trump is only out for

himself, at the expense of working families here in tampa, florida, and across america. i am not sure you make america great again by rooting for to fail so you can make a quick buck. >> these are real human beings in real communities that are just trying to get ahead. they need a president who will root for them, not root against them. when it comes to messaging and tactics, this is a very clear example of asymmetrical warfare we can expect between the clinton campaign in the trump campaign, at least for the for seeable future. trump tweeted his video about of free and got gobs air time, while the better organized clinton campaign followed the playbook. you disseminate opposition research, send out a press video, or two, send a and dispatch surrogates with one, unified, coordinated message. what the clinton campaign get a big bang up for their buck using the old model, or is it outdated

against the strategies of donald trump? john: they are both important. the clinton campaign will try to turn donald trump into mitt romney. i don't know how successful that will be. mark: or as a man out for himself. john: not on your side. and made gobs of money, a plutocrat. we will reserve judgment on whether or not it will work at this point. what they have, trump has a huge advantage in terms of how he plays a free media. what the clinton administration has is a financial and marketing advantage in the way obama did in 2012, and how most do. they will find the swing states and communities and districts stick in ais targeted way against trump. i think that is their advantage, just as trump has another -- in being able

able to get all the free media attention. which is going to get more attention? donald trump tweeting about bill clinton's personal life, or the targeted messages about trump and the housing situation? i'm not sure, but the media well at least put part of this story. either targeted messages with a lot of sophistication. eventually, we will be back up by direct mail and digital advertising, where trump is way behind. john: way behind. where thes the place story was missed by a lot of people, where obama gutted romney in virginia and other places. mark: we will see if it works. trump is more from animal on twitter then mitt romney. in 2016.are now back donald j trump billion or is out --new mexico today, where is

he is holding a first official fundraiser for his campaign. the new york times -- they night, thatws last a financial chairman would be raising money for trump. the rnc announce that what he johnson and some of the parties most influential donors will be part of a committee that plans to raise as much as $1 billion for donald trump and other republican candidates for the fall campaign. that list includes many of trump's primary rivals, including jeb bush and chris christie, folks who raise a lot of money for them. just focusing on today's news, to what extent do you think that today's news it suggests trump is breaking through what seemed to be the final wall of republican resistance to his candidacy? mark: this is a super impressive list.

it parallels the political situation. you have your romneys, your bushes. it is an impressive list of people, and this is an establishment list of huge republican bundlers and supporters. john: it has been staggering to see the way in which elected officials and others in the consultant class, intellectuals, and now these donors, who three weeks ago said never trump. they are all collapsing. i am stunned by it. it is still the case that donald trump is a huge financial hill climb. he gets half of the most impressive donors, he is still missing half. that other half will mean money that is not coming through the door for him. koch brothers,he how others and up. mark: there are others i said

would sit out the cycle. but donald trump now have a party that is pretty unified on the financial side and on the political side, and maybe on the voters decide. that is quite achievement in a very short period of time. lewandowski and trump deserve credit. an underrated skill, working with donors. speaking of trump, the presumptive republican nominee, another video on social media today, defending himself against criticism that he reportedly has not donated enough to veterans groups as he is claims. that is nothing compared to the backlash by the veterans affairs secretary, bob mcdonald. he compared long waits for veterans to the lines at disneyland. hillary clinton spoke with fallon, we own more for verans

than the excessive weight times a.'ve seen it the -- at the v. he says it is not worthy of the veterans that serve. mcdonald spoke back and said, he was misunderstood, and added that wait times are important, but said there is more to the veterans' experience than wait times. put this thing to bed, or is it something republicans will continue to talk about, as trump surely will? ton: no, he did not put it bed. other republicans are calling for his resignation. that was not even a decent apology for what was obviously a gratuitous political misjudgment. i think the guy has to go. president obama's approval rating is up,. mark: and that is a blessing for hillary clinton. but, there are still some areas

is it a disgrace on policy grounds? that prompts the veterans administration, rightly so, these are heroes that deserve the best possible treatment. obama spent some time on it, the department has gotten good marks, but he messed up here. this is only going to make the issue more front and center. the wait times are not the totality of what they have experience, but when they wait in line for months, that is the totality of their experience at that moment. this guy has to be attentive to those people at all times. mark: hillary clinton has good relationships with of the top of the pentagon. veterans and veterans of families, lets the see how donald trump does with them. ton: bernie sanders wants

read total vote totals from that close primary a week ago. i comes the day after hillary clinton refused to debate sanders in california, head of the primary there. about the big-time discord in the democratic party, after word from our sponsors. ♪

john: by now, you've probably heard that federal authorities are investigating democratic virginia governor, in part on whether his donations violated the law. they are looking at his time of board member of the foundation. today, he told reporters he was shocked by news of the investigation and that it has nothing to do with the clinton foundation. ally andlongtime fundraiser of the clintons and the very big way.

for those not aware of his reputation as the most aggressive muckraker of the modern era, he is -- here is how he described his own modus operandi in a speech. >> what makes me different than any other candidate, i am farther over on the spectrum of because i will stop at nothing to try to get a check from you. me, ieone says no to won't raise $10,000, that is only the opening gambit of eight to her three-week process. i level when people say i won't give you a check, i hate you out, i hate your candidate, get out of my office. to me, that is the beginning of the negotiations. there is a presumption of innocence, we don't know the details, it is all murky. my question for you on the basis of what we do know, what is the worst case scenario for hillary clinton in this investigation.

mark: i have read the stories and talk to some folks, i don't know what this is about. clearly, there are some buzzwords that are bad. lyndon foundation, chinese money, tax returns, etc.. i will say, he has played politics exactly as suggested, as fast as hard as anyone in the country. if, however, this investigation it is just bad news for her, because it takes the symbolism, and you have an ally, the governor of virginia, i stay is counting on to be elected president. , that video does not even do him justice. there is a video of him wrestling and alligator for president carter. he pushes everything to the limits. i don't know if he broke the law, i have no idea.

but he is a huge ally for her, and if he is distracted for the next six months, that is bad for her. on top of that, he is being sued , over valid -- felons being able to vote. think itublicans who is politicized, this is a overrat investigation democrats, which is not something you see in a lot of countries. it is quite something. john: members of the same party. mark: when we come back, strategists to talk about the unity project, after this quick break. ♪

john: our first to get -- guest guests. is two conway, thanknne you for being here. we have been talking about the trump donor score. how do you do? kellyanne: it is impressive. i think mark is right. he vanquished 16 opponents. these are businessmen who deal in the free market. mark: and a lot of women on this list. on their: they went very first successful outing with the rnc. it is important and impressive because it shows that party unity starts at the top. mark: you are for trump, and you are not. mark: you with knowledge this is an impressive list.

shouldn't you give up, if he can put together a list like this? dan: i think right now, donors falling to basically two categories. most major donors, are just staying out of it. whether they are open to funding a candidate, or sitting in the timelines. the other group, are people who are signing up. some of them are saying they will do more work, others say they don't want to be seen as being disloyal to the party. so i am giving my name and him on board, but of not doing real work. for either one of two reasons, either i don't like trump, or he does not need my money. push comes to shove, if this race is truly winnable for donald trump and he is short on resources, he has the capacity to fund it. why do these guys need to raise money? mark: update us where the search for a third candidate stands. dan: no update.

i think you will find a millionaire heart before you will find a third candidate. a 30% to 40%say chance that a third-party candidate will margin next few weeks. he have a minute, i want to ask you both. if the people on the new york times list who will never donate, and those that will, is this enough to give trump the amount of money he needs? kellyanne: it is an and amazing -- an amazing start. there is a binary view, that those who are going to give have not yet given. wheree trying to decide, is the safe, comfortable vehicle to put my cash. does it exist for me, or should one be created? here, ay the magic word lot of folks are for hillary, and will come off the stump to help the democratic nominee. and: if the koch brothers

others stay off the field, will trump be up to raise enough money to be competitive? think so.'t hillary clinton will raise north of $1 billion. it is a good start, but not a fraction of what hillary clinton can raise. a a primary you have to get ton of our and media, which i am skeptical of. resourcescompete on this late, this is may -- guys come we are not done with you yet. we will talk to in a moment, right after this. ♪ . .

mark: we are back with two republican strategists. thank you for saying.

yesgoing to give you some -knows. was president obama born in the united states? >> yes. vince foster commit suicide? no. i mean yes. mark: if donald trump says you should keep talking about these things -- >> he hasn't talked about where president obama was born for a couple of years. vince foster is -- he's he isding in kind saying a sex and massages and he is responding in kind. 1990's, theying is main thing he is talking about is women and bill clinton in the 1990's and you have women googling apologize. -- what people are going to focus on is this is a man and power and he was having

affairs with subordinates in the white house. look, the man lost his law license in the state of arkansas. are you concerned about him going to these places? dan: it is ludicrous. it amazes me that we are in 2016 and we're going to have a nationala lack -- election about bill clinton in the 1990's. if i thought the state of the republican party was pathetic as i do now, it would be -- i believe he just gave a speech about guns and no one covered it. they only covered what i said about bill clinton. john: these are just a couple of facts -- bill clinton was impeached over his affair with monica lewinsky. by the time he left office, he had democrats winning in the mid-term election, and aiming seats, almost unprecedented, and him exiting office with an

approval rating north of 60%. how is it possibly politically savvy to relitigate something that didn't work the first time and try to relitigate it. say for thee just record that i hope the campaign is fought on issues. nobody has asked me to compare the health care plans of hillary clinton and donald trump. this is what people are covering now. --ald trump continues to see to steal news cycles away from hillary clinton. i would nor donald trump if i was hillary clinton. about comparing bill clinton as a sitting president with a good economy it's ace abroad, i think reasonable response to say in the 1990's, all of a sudden, it is the royal we. it wasn't even in her announcement. -- now it is the royal we

she was the president's wife. dan: can i ask a question? agree that this will jostle the clinton campaign, short-term, tactically, it will throw them off, but honestly, what voters is he appealing to with that message? maybe consolidating the hard right, which if he has to do that in late may, that is problematic. who is he speaking to with that? : i hope that he gets her on health care and the fact that she has been in public life for 30 years and has done nothing to improve the lot of women. own lot.mproved her she got millions of dollars to give speeches and she's not even that interesting to listen to. you can get that for free and no

one wants to listen to it. reallyhow who is extreme. -- do you know what this does? it reminds people how long the clintons have been around and that is a not so subtle point. they have been around so long and you ask yourself they are promising to do these things and you have to ask what have they done? john: i will say that i think she has done some stuff to help women. e: she doesn't talk about it. paul ryan may be on the precipice of endorsing dollars -- of endorsing donald trump. dan: i know nothing about it. john: are you trying to talk him out of it? about myll not talk

conversation. i think all republican leaders should ink twice about endorsing someone who it has traffic and racism, who has traffic and misogyny. he met with him and says he shares a conservative agenda and is a nice guy. withheldyet he still an endorsement. john: do you die a little bit inside? dan: i'm not going to comment on that. when you see rick perry whose views of donald trump -- let me finish. rick perry had the same views and now rick perry has endorsed -- dan: he called him a cancer on the republican party. john: why would it not be equally pathetic of paul ryan said it? thinking is he think

he can actually sway and educate trump to be a more responsible candidate in the months ahead, which will help house republicans, if he is able to get donald trump to endorse the house republicans john -- agenda and act like an adult -- i am skeptical. how do you think donald trump going to react to that? : i agree with speaker ryan that if you don't like something, and sit of standing outside and stomping your feet, go inside and try to help. a distinction that is important. there are more politicians like rick terry than paul ryan. rick terry not only called him a cancer on the party but is his choiceunning for as vice president. the republican establishment's craven and will do anything for fear of missing out and rick perry up the demise is that.

-- epitomizes that. we are going to vegas, we are putting the money on who for donald trump's running mate. kellyanne: i will say tom cotton. mark: all the money on your friend. dan: bob corker. mark: never trump? you say trump forever? headwe come back, we will west and check-in what is going on with bernie sanders. if you are watching in washington ec, you can listen to us on the radio radio on 91.9 fm.

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john: pointing us now from riverside, california, where bernie sanders is campaigning today is kelly o'donnell and is jenniferere jacobs. i want to start with you in california, my home state -- senator sanders and his campaign are obviously unhappy that senator clinton has denied them the opportunity to debate in california. it is my understanding there was an agreement between these campaigns and why is the sanders campaign not making more of the fact that she's not just saying no but reneging on a deal? kelly: it is curious because it's not the thing we have been hearing bernie sanders hammer on. we have heard him say this is

the most populous state and that voters have seen the debate move toward them and there should be a discussion of these issues in the context of what it means to california. he is speaking right now and the auditorium at this california mission in riverside and there are many people out side wrapped around the block who were unable volunteersnd we saw occurring that -- encouraging them to go to san bernardino. also has a california ad and is trying to work this by adding more events and highlight the difference, that he is here and wants to talk about these issues, but he has not hit secretary clinton on this point. he does talk in his remarks about the oligarchy he thinks is something voters and we can certainly say from talking to sanders voter, it's not an everyday word you see, he uses it all a time to suggest the clintons are part of the establishment connected to the money in the system and he is

trying to break that with his vision of change in campaign finance and so forceful top so far, we have not seen them go after secretary clinton as hard. i know advisors are frustrated that she is not agreeing to this . from the clinton point of view, they are trying to move on to a general election and not give sanders another forum, not give him another opportunity to look like he still has a chance in this race. by foreclosing that, they will hope voters will see she is inevitable. toders supporters are trying get as many delegates and running up the score and perhaps even winning in california, so you will see him on the ground here a lot. we have seen him adding events to make that point. it's totally subjective, but as you have listened to them and talk to them, are they looking for unity, or are they looking to bring some barricades to philadelphia?

kelly: it is anecdotal, but i talked to them at every event and raise that issue. some bristle at the notion you ask about unity. they are not there yet. they talk about the fact that there movement has to be respected in a way that has not been done yet even if sanders has been able to get some inroads into the pot form at the convention, but, person after person will say to me they don't see themselves voting for donald trump but are not ready to sign on with clinton yet. there is an emotional lag time, especially here where this is their first time to see him in person and feel the experience. jennifer, you broke last , a hugee name on this fundraiser for mitt romney. sensesndering what your

of the reaction to this list of impressive names of all who will help the trump campaign raise money? jennifer: there has been a lot of reaction today and i've talked to several people in the trump campaign that this is a sign that am my break and the trump fundraising may not be as anemic as some might think and there could still be top name republicans who hold out on opening their wallets for donald trump because they think he's a menace to the gop. but you have big names like woody johnson and this list of 20 that the trump campaign released today, a who's who list republicans, scott walker, ted cruz, jeb bush -- it is an impressive list. they have ties to the evangelical world and it is a wide variety that tends a signal to people that you've got small

to raise money and putting their names behind donald trump. take me inside the minds of some of these donors. we saw donors who were frustrated. they gave a bunch of money and did not know where it went and they gave off money about this cycle. what did they say about the money that's going to get spent? jennifer: it is interesting -- it gives the donors some cover even if they don't adore donald trump, they can say they are giving money to the national republican committee which will help support local and national gop as well as the trump campaign. as far as what they are asking for from the trump campaign, i'm not sure. mark: right now, a lot of debate

about whether trump last tactics are a good idea. what is your sense of whether they things are on track or do they have anything that is functional that needs to be fixed? think they've got the structure of the campaign right where they want to be. they have figured out who is on top and who is answering phone calls and making decisions for the campaign. they've got a schedule planned planned.policy speech they've got their first fundraiser tonight in new mexico and a second one tomorrow night. they haveaid told me gotten $5 million worth of commitment from these on razors they are scheduled to hold, so they are very pleased with that. they say they would like to hold fundraisers in the future. the aides i talked to today were

very pleased with where the campaign is going right now. campaign, inders california, are they making progress? i know it is a big target for them. kelly: they talk about that explicitly, certainly with the labor overlap, the nurses union and so forth, he is trying to make inroads there. hadton has historically some inroads there. when we come back, we will take you to a battleground within a battleground. ♪

mark: if donald trump wants to be president, he's going to have to do better in the key swing states than mitt romney did. we crunched the numbers and we think we found the ultimate swing town in the ultimate swing state of ohio. it is near the states eastern border. it's voters worse lit right down the middle. that is where we sent griffin hammond to see what it is like to live in a battleground village in a battleground state. got pictures of when the main street was muggy tracks. i was born in new waterford, 90 teen 24. >> it is a nice, quiet place to live and great place to raise your kids. >> friendly. you can go down the street without waiving at somebody.

>> what brings me here is the ,lectric here was evenly split 263votes for romney to votes for obama. >> we don't talk politics. we talk a lot how we can solve our problem. >> there are two things in life you never want to argue about. politics, the other is religion, the other is women. >> so perhaps this is the perfect ground village. >> it is probably absolutely true. >> if it comes to that, i don't know what i will do. >> we have always voted one way

and we have now changed the way we vote. hillary has a long way to go to get me to come back and vote democrat. donald has tell it like it is attitude, which you like, but sometimes you don't. >> i'm not a heart to heart democrat, but i'm registered democrat. republicanred as a so i can vote against mr. trump. >> when i look at mr. trump, he has good ideas but he needs to tone it down and not swear. things i hear, i'm all for it. i want people to work and i don't want all these illegals coming here. it is killing our country. >> my thinking is i will vote for trump in 2016 unless some

major bombshell happens or if things implode or if there is something that comes out where he says something way outrageous. next i will vote for her before i vote to him. next her husband is not a good example as a president. >> i will have to stick with the democratic side of this time. i'm very flexible on that. >> i guess there is a lot of good and a lot of had -- i don't know what they would have to do to win over the town. jobs are very important. national security is very important. i guess people would rather the government stay out of their lives and let them live. that seems to be the attitude. mark: that is a town or moved from the northeast, removed from the daily media. it is incredible how this

election is going to permeate every town and city in this country because of the personalities. ton: we have never seen candidates as famous as these candidates and as polarizing. you are going to see a lot of, kratz and republicans voting by allegiancer party ease. there's also economic anxiety and a bunch of people in the middle who are up for grabs who are going to be open to both arguments. anguish may be too strong a word but you hear a real searching in the words -- they are not happy with the choices. our thanks to the great griffin hammond and the people of new waterford, ohio for chatting with him. we will be right back.

john: what do you most miss about the 1990's? mark: bellbottoms? i can't member anything from the last century. john: one word, four syllables macarena.ena -- there's a great story about why the biggest unions in this country are not taking sides in the condition just democratic race. aboutming up, talking right hailing apps on "bloomberg west." ♪

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