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surrendered all e-mails dealing with government business before you dealt with-- are you a spy? this appears to be a very serious issue. i'd love to respond to your e-mails. unfortunately it has already been -- deleted! now on with the show. ♪ mark: hello everyone. today we are talking about e-mail. the inspector general released a report on hillary clinton's use of the world's most famous private e-mail system while she was serving as secretary of state. the scathing report confirms a lot of things we already knew, like that her e-mail practices violated state department roles, but that she was not the secretary only to do business on

this account. this tough report written by barack obama's government told us some things. and -- clintonon herself and some of her aides to not cooperate with the investigation. when staffers raised questions about e-mail practices, they had been told it had been reviewed and approved by the department's legal staff, despite findings that there was "no evidence that the staff reviewed or approved secretary clinton's personal system." the clinton camp says, nothing to see here. but republicans were quick to jump on the news and condemn the front runner's judgment. yes, of course, those questioning her judgment include her likely general election foe, donald j. trump, the unit. -- trump, billionaire. mr. trump: as i say, cricket hillary. she is as crooked as they come.

she had a bad news today from some reports. they weren't so good. not so good. the inspector general's report -- not good. but i want to run against hillary. i just want to run against her. look, i don't know if you are going to be able to. it could be we are going to run against crazy bernie. mark: not good says donald trump in anaheim about this report. we'll talk about it during the show all night. this has been a low-grade fever for her campaign. what has it become now in the wake of the report? john: i don't echo donald trump that much, but this time -- not good. the report is scathing, as you deemed it and it does conform a lot of things that we knew before, all of them bad. it raises new things, which is followed reporting -- follow up reporting about those in the

state of urban being told "nothing to see here" at the time. will there be some criminal charges brought against any clinton aide, etc.? that is the big kahuna, politically. this brings it back to the surface and brings something trump to seize on. mark: it's not a legal indictment, but a indictment of her judgment by an independent investigator. we will see if the clinton campaign attacks the investigation. she should cooperate. i am sure her lawyer is exciting you cannot cooperate while the fbi is investigating. if she wants to get all the facts out, she should have cooperated with the investigation. john: 2 key things. for a year we have heard this is not all that unusual. this report makes it clear it was unusual. the presence of a home private server. and secondly, they made a big

point of saying that she always wants to incorporate with everyone. -- to cooperate with everyone. she has offered to testify down the and ozzie committee, meet with the fbi. her being willing to address these issues is an important political talking point. not only should she have done it for the sake of good governance, but on politics. mark: the romanian hacker that claims that he breached her server pled guilty in federal court. john: as part of a deal with federal authorities. mark: the report says there was one instance in which the server seems to be under some threat by someone hacking into it. that will be looked at, too. clearly the fbi will have subpoena power. john: we both think that if there is a proven intense without server was hacked -- pr oven instance where that server was hacked, that is a big problem. ever since it has been clear

that donald trump and hillary clinton would be the respective nominees, the republican side has been a tale of two trumps. what is the size of the new trump -- one is the new trump brand, dividing conventional wisdom by uniting his party farther than expected. then the other line, trump c lassic, whose campaign event still spark unrest, as seen in new mexico last night that is where demonstrators. clashed with police outside a rally in albuquerque, reportedly throwing bottles and rocks, sitting things on fire, and smashing a glass door. protesters repeatedly interrupted trump before being removed. instead of trying to diffuse the tension, trump did what he also -- what he often does -- inflame it. mr. trump: get em out. bring them home to mom. go home to mommy.

get them out of here. he can't get a date so he is doing this instead. go ahea,d get them out of your. this is exciting, isn't it? the kid looks like he is 10 years old. i have never seen this. john: today trump tweeted about those events. "the protesters in new mexico were thugs who were flying the mexican flag. the rally inside was big and beautiful, but inside, criminals!" at a rally in anaheim, trump was interrupted by protesters more than once. it looks like this is back, the trump disarray at some of his rallies. it is a different world in a general election context. how much more problematic are the optics of this for trump in the new context? mark: i am a big fan of the first amendment, including the right of speakers to speak.

if this continues day in day out, it will allow clinton to paint him as a chaos candidate. his conduct in those clips is not a winning formula. it is trump being trump. in the general election contest, it is a net negative. but it does rally is based. they will pay more attention to it than those who are voting on other issues. john: i think his base is already rallied and will be for a long time. i don't think that really helps him. i think that, who are the persuadable voters? for those that are movable? do they look at that donald trump, not mocking donald trump, gardless what -- re you think about the protesters. they are not allowed to disrupt in the too disruptive, but the bottom line is that is inflaming it rather than trying to tamp it down. for persuadable voters, that is not a look that is appealing to

them. mark: i agree in the first flush that that is correct. again, this is a guy that has said and done many things more outrageous. john: i agree. mark: and he is in the polls. is that behavior at rallies going to decide this election? on the margins, it is not helpful. i think the press will obsess about it more than it matters in the outcome. john: i am not obsessing about it and i don't think it will be decisive. but if you think about the way the clinton thing feeds this, images like this are not going to make-- mark: it's the images themselves. john: i think both. his reaction is not helpful for him. and the images are bad. mark: i don't love his reaction. donald j. trump, billion or, is working on another brand. he has been pretty successful so far at consolidating support inside the party. or at least doing it a lot

faster than many expected. the latest news is key and reported first by our bloomberg colleagues. they reported late last night that house speaker paul ryan is telling confidants he is ready to end his standoff with donald trump and endorse him as the party nominee. ryan said he still has not made up his mind. a spokesman for ryan center dot the speaker and trump will speak by phone this evening. meanwhile, mitt romney is still being mentioned as someone that might consider jumping into the race as an independent candidate. john, if ryan does endorse trump, which we expect he will do, how will that impact any calculations romney has about getting in the race? seriouslyn't know how mitt romney is thinking about this race. a lot of people are courting him to try. it will make it harder. it would be a lot easier for romney on two levels. having ryan would make it easier

for him to get into the race if he wanted to. two, in any scenario which he becomes president, it's certain that it would be a race decided in a house of representatives. not that he would get the 2670 electoral votes on his own. -- 270 votes on his own. that would make securing the presidency a lot easier. but having ryan -- than having ryan be unofficial trump backer. mark: the stop trump movement depends solely if mitt romney decides to do this. it's difficult for him to do. it clearly becomes much harder. it's already hard for people in the anti-trump movement to say, i'm this, but a lot of people are endorsing trump, etc. for romney to say, this is a moral outrage, the notion of donald trump be our nominee, when the guy he picked as his running mate, whose judgment he

has celebrated endorses him, that cuts the legs out from romney's moral position. john: i think that is completely right. ryan is more than just his running mate. he is in many ways the highest elected republican officer in the land. he has been the architect of a lot of what conservatives view now in the modern era. difficult for romney in this instance. i can't help but wonder how lonely romney feels. he went on a limb and took a stance of real principle and some bravery in opposing trump. now he looks around and sees all of these people-- john:f including a lot of his big donors. john: who he thought were with him. not only have they flocked to trump, but have abandoned romney. now it seems that ryan might do the same. very hard. hillary clinton might have any surrogate in the corner, massachusetts senator elizabeth

warren who has stayed on the sidelines of the clinton-sanders contest. and on what she said, trump's response after these words from our sponsors. ♪

john: the endorsement of elizabeth warren would be-- last speaking at the center for popular democracy annual gala, warren upped her anti-trump

rhetoric. yesterday we talked about team clinton coordinated strategy of fanning surrogates out to criticize the presumptive nominee for saying and 2006 that he hoped the housing market crashed so that he could make more money. now warren is joining in that course. sen. warren: donald trump was drooling over the idea of a housing meltdown. it meant he could buy up more property on the cheap. what kind of a man does that? what kind of a man routes for people to get thrown out of their house? what kind of men roots to get thrown out of their jobs? to root for people to lose their pensions? i will tell you exactly what kind of a man does not, it is a man who cares about no one but himself. [applause] small, insecure money grub

ber who doesn't care who gets hurt so long as he makes a profit off of it. [cheering] what kind of a man does that? a man who will never be president of the united states. john: so mark, trump attacked warren less night. my question relates to the democratic party. hillary has to bring the party together and bring the sanders people in. if elizabeth warren is speaking that kind of rhetoric and not much in sync with brooklyn, will that make it easier appreciably unity?lary to pull off mark: we don't know how much elizabeth warren's following, how big it is to bernie sanders at this point. we know there is a lot of overlap. we know that bernie sanders is more likely to be in her tent if

he sees elizabeth warren doing that. if she keeps it up, it will bring sanders into the hole faster. if warren steps it up, it won't matter nearly as much. she is the only person on the left that could perform this role. if she keeps that up, the clinton people will be happy. john: there is no doubt elizabeth warren is a huge asset as a surrogate to the left of the democratic party. bernie sanders and his people are still somewhat frustrated that elizabeth warren, despite aligning with bernie sanders, decided not to endorse him. they are suspicious on her motives. i know that her presence will do anything to sanders' head. but it helps clinton to have that kind of surrogate. in the end, it's about what bernie sanders wants. he is more tea to unity -- more key to unity than she is. mark: does he want a movement out of the -- after the

election? he has eclipsed her to some extent. he will be fighting a much more uphill battle at the convention and beyond. a legendary ad, l.a., fred davis out in joins us right after this. ♪

mark: joining this is fred davis, a republican campaign strategist and legendary ad maker. he recently worked for the super pac trying to get john kasich the republican nomination. mr. davis, thank you for coming back on the program. fred: gentlemen, great to be here. mark: i think we all intuitively say the hillary clinton e-mail report is a problem. what makes you certain that it is a political problem?

fred: it's a problem, but it's just one more drip in a constant faucet of drips that she's had for how much? 2 years now? the more drips that come, soon it will be a big puddle. one day it might just drown her. mark: let me run a theory by you as a look at the general election. for all of trump's floss is a candidate, he is simply a better performer and has a better capacity to try the new cycle where he wanted to go than she does. that matters as much or more than anything else on the two sides. fred: i think that is right. he is far better at that. not only that, but he is sort of the new thing, the new shiny object. hillary, you can't really say that. she has been around forever. her family has been around forever. if you combine the two, it advantages trump to me.

john: fred, we are going to ask you later to lead us through what you think an ad maker would do for donald trump if he were working for him. you worked for the john kasich super pac. he said a lot of things about donald trump not being the right guy to lead the party, forecasting doom if you were the nominee. he still has not endorsed him. a letter of republicans felt strongly that trump was thrown guide to be the nominee, not just someone that would have problems with the general election, but some of that is deeply wrong.you have major peace with that . -- made your peace with that. explain how you have acquiesced to the notion of supporting him. fred: a couple things. number one, it is a given that he's going to be the nominee. i heard a bit of your show prior to this, and i think you guys agree with me. number 2, he brought in this excitement and a whole group of

new people into the party. there are a lot of balls that say these are really -- polls that say these aren't really new people. some gentlemen have been reporting that theory. he has brought excitement and interest and newness to this race. all he has to do is pick up the establishment. in other words, all these people that the republican party has been trying to get, he got. but in the process, he missed the solid regulars. he missed the john kasichs. that is where the work comes that he needs to get back. they are going to be easier to get than the add-ons, because no one has been able to touch them before. john: you call yourself conservative, right? fred: absolutely. john: and you think donald trump is a conservative, and by what metric? fred: i don't. i would have to say he is a republican. [laughter] that is all i can say. we have heard liberal things, we've heard modern things, conservative things out of his

mouth. who knows what he really is? but that is what elections are about. i think people like you will push until we know what the real donald trump is like. mark: you've met a lot of republican clients for statewide office. which, if any, remind you of donald trump? fred: do you remember the name morry taylor? mark: sure, president of candidate in 1992. fred: 1996. that was the first essential campaign that i did. he remind me exactly. i love morry. he remind me exactly of donald trump, but without the name recognition. mark: he was a successful businessman. magnate,ot get -- rubber tires. fred: steel, but then he got into tires. not only was he a businessman, he was outspoken.

you could call it outrageous. he still is to the state. he to attention, but he did not start with 100% name i.d. if he had, he likely could have been a great contender. that is the one to remind me most. mark: do you have those in your life that are holdouts against trump? do you think they will stay that way, or, rent? -- or come around? fred: i think the shocks are the dyed in the wool republicans that are now backing trump. a gentleman thought the republican party needed a major shakeup and that trump was the shakeup that was needed. you could have script me -- scraped me off the floor. i was amazed that someone that was this big ceo could make that decision. i think there are many more that will as well. mark: i talked to one religion

who said -- one republican who said trump's supreme court list was enough for him. that was enough for that person to go never-trump to, he's better than hillary. fred: better than hillary right now is the only hurdle to get over. that might not be very difficult if you are republican, or moderate, or indie. mark: we will break down what fred thinks trump can do to improve his brand even more. we will talk about that after this. ♪ . .

mark: we are back now with republican strategist fred davis , who recently boarded the trap

-- the trump train. let's talk about trump's brand. if you were so on the trade and that you are making his ads, what would your posture be? how would you conceive that project? you remember, about a year ago, a representative of the trump campaign did call us, so i got to go through that exercise once upon a time and i was exactly right at the time, but i was a year ahead of trump. i said he had to not need donald trump. the apprentice guy. he couldn't use his helicopters and airplanes, and that was probably the worst advice i've never given anyone. i think the helicopters and the air lanes became icons in the primary race and did great service for donald. the right now, he needs to get to what i was recommending one year ago, which is he can go on and use the plane and helicopters and do the rallies

that he does so well. he can still be a little outrageous and that has attracted a certain type of voter to the donald trump group and that is a winning coalition. but he needs to get me. he needs to get establishment types on board. to do that, he needs to be presidential. you hear that a lot. i'm not the only one who says that. rallies.aybe in his those guys are doing good job getting him more presidential in that direction, but real quickly, he has to shifted to be more about me and you and more about the american voters and donald trump. i'm tired of hearing how successful he is, but if he continues in his rally, how it makes him look presidential and talks about what his brain is

going to do for me. is it going to help me pay my mortgage or make my car payment? more about me and less about trump. and finally, because people vote for who they like and both hillary and donald have a real upside down problem in their likability, he's dehumanized a little bit. i have never met him but i have talked to people who have met him and his dinner conversations, he's pretty normal -- eating at mcdonald's and all that kind of stuff, but you wouldn't expect that unless you heard it from someone who actually went and dined with him. keep doing what you are doing because it's working in the rallies but then let the rest of have a serious, presidential side that will help make my life better. just i want to pretend you drank an entire bottle of sour mash and now you are looking at me and you have morphed into

donald trump and you walk into my office and i say those are some interesting general ideas, i'm thinking about hiring you to be the ad guy. how would you execute that? give me your pitch about what you would specifically do? what kind of adds and you put on the air, what duration, etc.? fred: i would start with a race defining film. it is not that hard to define hillary clinton and donald trump is two different people. come, andt i can hollywood this is used a lot, is defining it taste on something else. mine would be mourning in america for ronald reagan. ronald reagan was not in those ads, but people were. people who got married, people who got their first home. people who are able to put their kids through college because ronald reagan had president. thiswas passed tents, but

could be future tense. there's a lot of tension and i don't take donald trump would be the nominee if people were happy with washington. they are not. way more so than at any of our lifetime as proven i donald's ascension. he needs to show how his successes help me and from everything i know about donald trump, that is a pitch he would probably appreciate. john: so you would go with a long film and get up with a bunch of 60's were a bunch of 30's -- what would it look like? i would start with a long film and make a 60 out of that and run it heavily on broadcast and cable. remainder of the campaign, you have to contrast with hillary somewhat. donald rossk in case has to do it as much as others. thing he canrtant

do is say i'm going to make your life better. it doesn't have to be what's wrong with hillary. the press does a good job of that. he needs to come off as presidential and maybe he's not even in his ads. maybe it is just people talking about their hopes and dreams and helponald trump can fulfill them. i think people thought that about barack obama in 2008 and four years later, they were disappointed, their mortgage wasn't paid, they didn't have a new car and some of those things . i think donald trump is possible -- he could make people's lives better and he could sure sell the story. or two youme a thing think the clinton campaign is doing well now. and we have a whole minute for me to fill? my point being, i don't think they are doing very much. mark: do you see anything they are doing well? far. i really don't so

i anticipate them doing something -- what do you think they are doing well? mark: raising money. you this -- tell they are not leaking. stories about tensions in the trump campaign, the clinton campaign, you don't hear much about strategy, even as they are under a fair amount of rusher. john: she's also not going out of her way to offend a large sector of the american public. up next, mr. barry bennett from the trump campaign and senator rubio's former spokesperson right after this. ♪

very joining us now is bennett, one of the many right hand men of donald trump campaign and marco rubio's manager.mpaign we won't talk about the size of either one of your hands. thank you for being here. 90's speciale yesterday talking about your campaign. there was a report in the go about one of your campaign operatives reaching out and saying we want to make an issue out of whitewater. explain the political sense entailed in what seems to be a campaign that is almost entirely negative about hillary clinton and negative about anxiety happened in the 1990's. there's a lot of ammo

there, but i don't think that's what the campaign is going to be about. it is certainly what is keeping them off-balance right now, but this campaign is going to be about people who are in pain, the heroine problem in ohio alone -- john: then why are we talking about accusations of bill clinton and vince foster -- apparently we are going to be talking about whitewater. are we talking about these things? i think right now, we've got them totally knocked back. john: what is the evidence? what's the evidence they seem knocked off of their game? what makes you feel you are winning this argument? run last newt cycle that they won. tell us where you are in

your evolution toward whether you are going to support your nominee or not. say -- stillill staying neutral. i'm not going to vote for hillary clinton but i am not endorsing donald trump. susanna martinez happen to endorse marco rubio and is a big governor and rising star in the republican party makes me more leery of donald trump. here's your chance -- win him over. guest: i've been in his chair. i held my nose and wrote a check to mccain and to romney. but i don't expect to put pressure on alex. party soldier and come far caught -- come fall, i know who he is going to vote for. john: the best argument is to hold his nose and vote for donald trump? guest: he needs to take his time and he will come to it. mark: what is trump doing now?

guest: i don't really matter now, who matters are people like paul ryan and ted cruz. i think they are not supporting him and that's a cause for concern. they should be doing everything they can to unite the party. what is donald trump doing that is getting you closer? him putting out his supreme court list, i like his speech to the national rifle association. i want to be convinced he will govern as a limited government conservative and there's a lot they can do. it's two days that he has not held out a lot of his agenda yet. people right now look at donald trump as a businessman and celebrity. are starting to look at him as a potential president and we don't really know what a trump presidency would look like it. to their credit, they have taken

some affirmative steps, but they -- it doesn't help them when they take steps back like yesterday and the clinton campaign is working overtime to define what a trump presidency would look like. i'm asking you to try to explain things that confuse me and i will use alex as a jumping off point. we all noted on this show that trump has done a shockingly good job come the speed with which the party has unified around him. unificationis project, why go to new mexico and insult, denigrate and beat up the republican governor of that state? guest: i don't think it was his intention to do that. think she's ever going to be for trump. they have a very bad relationship and hopefully over time it will get better. john: why not say nothing? what is the benefit of donald trump being update prominent

republican woman latino governor of a swing state? guest: nobody walked out of the arena last night. by-- he's not going to abide the old rules. he has this new formula and he's done very well at it. i'm going to ask you both three questions -- one word answers. mitt romney running for president. guest: not could happen. guest: silly. mark: tom cotton as don -- is donald trump running mate. tom cotton is great. i won a next-generation conservative who's serious about governing. guest: like. mark: that's good. that's one word. this ig report about hillary

clinton's e-mails? guest: confused. guest: devastating. mark: is this today's new cycle or does it linger? the most important part is that these rules are propagated to cover the law. it doesn't mean it's a felony and she's going to prison, but it is clear the law is broken. john: you are not there yet with mr. trump. does it surprise you how many people who called him a cancer on the party have come to embrace them? after this last cycle, nothing surprises me in republican politics any longer. he's in the nominee for almost two months and there are still major republican leaders, and if you look at the polls, 85% say they are supporting him but i bet there are a lot of other people who no longer self identify as republicans.

he needs to get that 290 plus. mark: who do you like besides paul ryan? guest: i think paul ryan will be there. davis is right about a lot of things all the time but we start with we already have the people we spend millions of dollars to try to attract. now is got to get those voters and they will come. always a pleasure to have you here even though you have not resolved some of my confusion. thank you both and we will be back in a moment to talk about donald trump's golden state rally after this quick rake. usember if you are watching in washington dc, he can listen to us on 99.1 fm. we will be right back. ♪

seniorur next guest is a from the brookings institute. he wrote that hillary clinton is still the strong favorite to do feed donald trump in the general election. give us your thesis why democrats who are all freaking out over these polls should not be freaking out quite so badly. i made three points with evidence. number one, we are looking at an apples to oranges comparison right now. the republican primary contest the democratic nominating contest is still going on. suspectis over, i

democrats will unify almost as fast as republicans have. number two, i argued secretary clinton has some important structural advantages having to do with things like party edification, the way the public isards the two parties which more favorable to democrats, the electoral college edge, and the fact that president obama has moved into positive territory in job approval. the third point i made is if you look anything the headlines in the surveys, you see a lot of good news for secretary clinton, both in the area of dealing with issues and personal attributes. your firstee with two attributes, but it is your third point where i think there is some debate. donald trump could be behind in

certain traits but it suggests it may be a dangerous foe to her even with the ad numbers which he might be able to improve. bill: i do mean to suggest this isn't going to be a spirited, tough race. ins not for democrats general or the clinton campaign in particular to sit back and relax. i was making an argument that -- i don'treak out think the evidence will support that. isn't it the case at the fact he's tied in the horse rate behind in all these traits suggest a point of strength, not a point of weakness? perhaps so but my argument is all the raw materials for a strong, victorious clinton campaign are present in these data. an effective clinton campaign

will make use of her strengths against donald trump's weaknesses. the beginning be one example post"he abc/"washington hole. 66% of americans say hillary clinton is prepared to be president -- to be president. donald trump is going to have to persuade 15 million people to vote for him as president who do not think he's qualified. i don't say it is impossible, but it won't be easy. all of thosek at attributes and all attributes are not created equal. in some election cycles, one attribute matters more than others. sometimes it is empathy. leads is where trump the ability to shake up washington, as a change agent. is it not possible that although she could lead by most traditional metrics that it

turns out in this cycle, at this moment in american history that people value change and that catalytic effect he holds out? and that it renders them more obsolete? it isi can't say that impossible but i can say to his improbable. the american people know that the choice of president is a unique political choice unlike any other. they know that because among other things, under article two of the constitution, the president has extraordinary powers when it comes to issues of four and peace, being able to send young americans into combat , and those powers have been stretched by custom in recent decades. process.wo-step step number one is change versus the status quo. there's no question about the fact that the american people

want change. they signaled that loud and clear. but there is a second question -- is this change safe enough to take a chance on or, despite the fact that someone offers change, to trust himky with the powers of the office. i really think it's going to come down to an assessment of risk. of the ighe wake report about hillary clinton's e-mail practices, what do you think about what she did? did: i think about what she what she thinks about what she did. namely, she was his she hadn't done it and i agree. do i think it is a dagger plunged into the heart of the candidacy, no, i don't. channeling hillary clinton i think accurately. we will be right back. ♪

mark: based on the totality of our discussions, where do you think the hillary clinton e-mail stand? john: i don't think it is a tagger, but i do think it is a dark cloud and will not be helpful. it's almost bad for the sanders voters. our deep divet into the inspector general reports over hillary clinton and her use of e-mails. coming up, alphabet chairman, eric schmidt. until tomorrow, thanks for watching. sayonara. ♪

mark: i mark crumpton. let's start with a check of your first word news. the head of the transportation security administration acknowledges weight times at airport security check point have increased significantly.

but he told the house homeland security committee that more than 760 screeners will be hired by mid-june. >> clearly the summer travel season will be busy and the tsa and congress and travelers working together can improve the passenger experience while we maintain the security we need. most screeners will be sent to chicago, new york, los angeles and atlanta. a state department audit blames hillary clinton in previous secretary of state for poorly managed e-mail practices and systemic weaknesses related to communications that started before her tenure as secretary e-mails wereher single doubt. an aide to donald trump says there's a call to break a weeks long impasse over an endorsement from the speaker, which trump aides believe is imminent. a jailed ukrainian pilas