john: "with all due respect" to ross and rachel, you have nothing on trump and ryan. ♪ ["friend's theme" playing] mark: paul ryan first said he was not ready to endorse donald trump, then he met with trump and said he would vote for trump. but now he is acting like someone with cold feet and not consistent with totally heartfelt not equivocal --

heartfelt unequivocal endorsement we saw yesterday. take ryan's reaction today, that a federal judge in the trump university lawsuit is biased because he is "of mexican heritage and has a conflict of interest." what would someone who is fully onboard the trump train say about that? >> the comment about the judge the other day was out of left field. i completely disagree with the thinking behind that. he clearly says and does things i don't agree with. i've had to speak up from time to time. >> trump responded to his critics today. >> if you are saying he can't do his job because of his race, is

that not the definition of racism? trump: he's proud of his heritage. i'm building a wall. i think i'm going to do very well with hispanics, because i'm going to bring that jobs and they are going to get jobs. i think am going to do very well with hispanics, but we are building a wall. he's a mexican and we are building a wall between here and mexico. the answer is he is giving us a very unfair ruins. -- rulings. this case should have ended years ago on some rejection. i have spoke to so many lawyers, they said this is not a case, this is a case that should have ended. this judge is giving us unfair rulings. i say why? i'm building a wall, ok? and it's a wall between mexico, not another country. >> he's from indiana.

donald: mexican heritage, and he's proud of it. john: we will get to the political applications of paul ryan hitting donald trump the way he did on this issue the day after endorsing him. first, let's talk about the wisdom of trump - most people have been quite critical. do you see any possible political upside in trump attacking the federal judge in this way? mark: donald trump -- it has been said too much of his private company going public. i suppose if donald trump wants to get the judge to recuse himself from the case, but that is not a political benefit. this is picking fights not just with paul ryan, but across the board with people. it is helping to block out any message he wants to drive. it is giving people inside the republican party and even in his own campaign a feeling that he is not disciplining himself at all. i see so much downside, i could

list the downside through the hour of this program. john: thank you for agreeing. let's say this first of all, when trump does what he did in that interview, he kept calling curial a mexican. it is just pure racial politics. it is racial politics. it doesn't matter whether mexico is a race, it is stirring up people who do not like hispanics. eventually you can get trump to acknowledge -- on top of that he is a potential president of the united states who has issued biggest threats, saying the judge should be investigated. it is wildly inappropriate and of course there are no political benefits.

both it is racially tinged and wildly inappropriate for someone who could be president of our united states. i am fully aware mexico is not a race, but you can invoke things like that to stir up racial and a mess. -- animus. mark: there is a lot of things this week that would lead donald trump to believe he is increasing his chances. -- decreasing his chances of being presidnet. -- president. i could see in the context of a legal fight or if he is looking for attention, this could be a positive thing. in the context of trying to get elected as president of the united states, this is -- the foolish thing is his top priority needs to be reassuring republicans -- he can get elected president and be a good president.

john: criticizing trump is not like a liberal position paid it is not an anti-trump position. many republicans are watching this in horror. and there are people within trump's campaign who are watching this with horror. it is dumb on every possible level. mark: one of the things donors are most concerned about is trump shooting his mouth off and no one around him stopping him. why are we raising money for a guy who would say things on provoked, unnecessary, no political upside, massive political downside. it is not just the top republican in the house who has endorsed trump. it is also the gop leader in the senate. the kentuckian is out on a book tour, so he is doing a lot of interviews and can't seem to ratchet up that --

trump enthusiasm to 11. >> donald trump is going to be the republican nominee. you may fantasize about somebody else, you may support some of the else in the primary. >> you are worrying now that -- now that donald trump will do to latino voters what barry goldwater did to african-american voters? >> going after susanna martinez, the republican governor of new mexico, the chairman, i think those a big mistake. it is the time to be gracious and bring the party together. >> other places where you are different from donald trump? >> i said i didn't think we should be banning muslims coming into the united states. i said the other day it has become fairly common for candidates who become president to release their tax returns. i don't agree with them on a

number of things. we had 17 people competing for the nomination. donald trump won the most primaries and caucuses. it is pretty clear the republican primary and caucus voters wanted something very different. i think it is safe to say donald trump is very different than what we are accustomed to. mark: does this lukewarm backing matter to chomps -- two trump's chances of winning? john: a lot of people don't care for congressional congress, congressional leaders. i don't think those two guys will move votes one way or the other when it comes to election day. one of the things trump needs is he needs defenders, he needs people in the party who will step forward. those two guys do not seem to

have much of a stomach for it. mark: you are to have rob portman in ohio and candidates for reelection. when republicans get asked about the top of the ticket, it will be helpful for messaging. did bill clinton agree everyone was running on 92? absolutely not. i think this is a problem for trump. this kind of stuff with the signal from the top two republicans, i have never seen that kind of repudiation. >> ryan was not asked about the judge, he brought about his criticism of trump with what he said about curial. unbidden. the day after endorsing him, he sent a very clear signal. raising it on his own -- he maintains his right to criticize

trump going forward. and that is not just defending trump, that is being in the cheap seat. hurling criticism at him. mark: he could have answered many of those questions without criticizing trump, and yet he chooses to criticize, and it is going to hurt trump. john: when we come back, what is more important, new jobs numbers or the numbers regarding obama's job? ♪

mark: in the obama white house and clinton campaign there are two numbers that get a lot of

attention, the number of jobs added to the economy every month and president obama's job approval rating. today one of those numbers came out and it is not so great. that is well below expectations even with what the edmund stray -- the administration was hoping for. it is the worst monthly job gains since 2010. trump calls it a bombshell. there is another important number doing much better on the democratic side, the president's job approval rating. it has been 50% consistently now. if you look at these two numbers, and the president's job approval rating, which one matters more for the clinton campaign? the economic situation is still pretty grim. john: i will take the first one first. if these jobs numbers are the

beginning of the sign that the economy is slowing, it is an -- enraging. but if these job numbers are a leading indicator of what we are going to see, flat employment and may be -- they are by far more important than barack obama's approval rating. these will have been relatively meaningless and obama's approval rating will matter more. it is not part of a trend yet. mark: if the jobs numbers stay -- not this week. if this stays weak, the winner of the election will make some more compelling cases, they have to make the economy grow faster. nobody is happy with this level of job growth. slower growth, these kinds of jobs numbers open the door for the candidate of change. hillary clinton is going to build on the success. but i agree with you, bad job

numbers are going to matter more. 50% approval rating is pretty good. why has the approval rating gone up one the world is still a pretty messy place? mark: donald trump and hillary clinton. you see the circus that has been the republican nomination fight. two presumptive nominees at historically high levels of un popularity. for people in the middle of the electorate who have seen all of the negativity. rising above the fray and this happens often with presidents. they get a little bit of the nostalgia even before they leave office. mark: republicans are targeting him less then hillary clinton now. that gives him that halo effect. boy the job numbers are bad. and for americans who are worried about their economic

situation, it's cautionary. coming up, the former chairman of the republican party to help us sort it out. ♪

john: joining us now to talk about the protests in san jose and much more are former rnc chairman and political analyst michael steele, along with former head of ted cruz's alliance super pac, kellyanne conway. mr. chairman, i want to ask you this.

with a lot of people watching the images last night from that trump rally in san jose, not the first time we have seen these clashes outside, who is to blame and what would you advise the republican nominee? what would you advised him of trump to do to try to deal with these images, which are not pretty and helpful for anyone involved. michael: i would advise him he needs to send out the message very clear, as we have seen and heard others do, that this is not the way democracy proceeds. this is not how we engage in political discourse. there will be people who disagree with us, people who will disagree in a way that they to express that openly, but violence is different. we will not tolerate that as a campaign. if he sends them message, it takes away the sniping and the backbiting.

donald trump's attitude, his message and word has already condoned this. in terms of what happens last night, it is clear that there are others who want to stoke these passions and flames. they are not necessarily sanders supporters or hillary clinton supporters, they are agitators, people looking for a fight. they had a way of redirecting that energy. the trump supporters move through one door and protesters threw another. all of these things need to be taken and totaled. john: do you think he trump campaign is handling this issue well or poorly? kellyanne: they are handling it well, the burden on donald trump to rein in the supporters of donald trump? -- the protesters of donald

trump? hillary clinton should be asked, are these your peeps? yesterday throwing eggs at people and in some cases you will see the man with the blood across his skull, people being attacked. a female reporter had her arm wrapped. we can't hillary clinton or bernie sanders or debbie wasserman schultz to of valve or disavow these protesters. why is it solely the responsibility of donald trump to rain and protesters of donald trump? mark: hillary clinton did denounce the activity, but you're absolutely right, the onus should not be on donald trump. do you see any upside to his criticizing the judge and continuing to refer to him as a mexican, even though he is not mexican but someone who was born

in the united states. kellyanne: i don't appreciate insults based on race or gender or -- he showed that the judge had a bias against him, maybe, but only because that is part of donald trump's narrative. he wants a more accountable and transparent system that works are we the people. if he shows the judge has it out for him and has a vendor data for him, it is inappropriate for any judge. -- a vendetta for him, it is inappropriate for any judge. it is not healthy to see this being litigated out in the press. mark: but the judge is not doing that, donald trump is doing that. the judge hasn't said anything as far as i know outside the

bounds of normal judicial activity. do you know some thing i don't know about. kellyanne: maybe, maybe not. i would go to something that was said in terms of private gathering, where snarky comments are made. that is a general comment about judicial restraint. the judiciary, people are catching on to this. they are not just lawyers. i think he has a right to say this judge might have against him without those racially -- mark: i'm not sure it's going to help get him elected president. would you agree or disagree with hillary clinton's -- how it showed a pretty good performance level and increased her chances for winning? michael: not so much the latter part of the first part absolutely. i thought it was a well done

speech by the hillary clinton. it did establish a narrative that she did want to establish with donald trump. she wanted to do the slicing and dicing directly. how do you sustain that over the next five or six months. that speech was a speech to the foreign-policy community, to the political intelligence on the right and the left. i have something to say about this crazy man donald trump. the question for the hillary clinton campaign is how do they make this thing work? how do they establish this narrative so she appreciates what she appreciates in a way that will benefit her in november. i don't see that part of the narrative coming together at this point. >> i want you to assess the week for donald trump.

he has repeatedly attacked this federal judge and at one point suggesting he should be investigated. certainly not handling in an aggressive way -- reporters. defense on the trump university case. then reporters. then you have this hillary clinton thing, which prompted trump to basically go back to cook at hillary again. -- to lying hillary again. we have been long about the press. i'm going to ask the question in an open ended way, was this a good week for donald trump? kellyanne: it is a mediocre week. you are listing a number of things that went his way. everybody expects we will have the same kind of -- as the impreza's fundraising list. list.ressive fundraising

donald trump is something that hillary clinton has never been, he is the presidential nominee of his party. while she was still fighting bernie sanders in california, she has the moment him. -- he has got the momentum. he is expanding into other mature campaigns. if you cherry picked the list, it looks like a mediocre list. to your last point where he is calling her cook at hillary, shingining allary, light on protestors, they don't have a right to assault people with eggs or their fists. donald trump said leave them alone, don't hurt them. he has changed his rhetoric towards these protesters. john: nobody is suggesting hillary clinton supports them, it was kind of unfair being affiliated --

kellyanne: i think it is incredibly unfair to say it is donald trump's responsibility. the segment started with do you think donald trump's campaign is doing a good enough job? i just don't want people to be hurt. looking at cleveland, i am very concerned. john: we have a hard break here. thank you, and we will be right back. ♪ okay, ready?

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anoint a king, maybe a queen. from california, -- hillaryrt with clinton out there now for the duration, along with her husband. talk about how the campaign seems to be feeling after a widely well received speech. >> they are feeling good about the speech yesterday. they feel like it was a good moment for hillary clinton. it is not a turning point, but it was a significant marker. it was the sharpest attack we have seen from her against donald trump. him while taking

seriously,proposals so she had it taken down of each policy proposals. this is the push a lot of democrats were waiting for her to give. the party is feeling invigorated. the second point is about california and the primary. -- if she wins here, she takes away senator sanders cost less argument staying in. it's going to be close in california. that is why she upped her visit here by a day and scheduled all of these events, this five-day campaign swing. she is crisscrossing the state. former president bill clinton here as well. they say it will be close. saying they think she has a good shot. he will be down to the wire for sure.

>> i want to get your reaction on this question of the speech yesterday and how each of the campaigns and candidates you cover sought. chris, you first. did they react at all to what she said? >> i was surprised to tell you the truth. one of the best lines bernie sanders had was when he talked about the contrast between himself and hillary on foreign policy, the war in iraq in particular. one last night in chico, and he had a huge crowd there, but he did not take the opportunity. it's been interesting for me watching him on this last push, and he's been unrelenting, attracting thousands of people. he often hasn't spoken really specifically to the subject at hand, the news of the day. he did answer some questions today. he has been doing news conferences. he was asked about donald trump calling him a total nut job. he said he should look in the mirror. so he will react in that sort of

situation, but when he has a huge crowd and the opportunity to take on hillary clinton, he has not done it. >> we saw his reaction last night. do you have a sense over all whether the trump campaign looks at that speech and think they need to react in a different way. does that give them cause to think a new of hillary clinton and her candidacy? >> donald trump's aides would like him to react and a more coherent, cohesive, and strategic way that he's doing right now, more talking points laying out his record and policy ideas rather than necessarily going after her for the personal attacks alone. he can do those as well, but i think there is some feeling they would like to have seen him go out yesterday in san jose, even redding and talk about his ideas and his

positions rather than only slamming hillary clinton for the way she talks. he did an imitation of her today. he talked about not wanting japan to have nuclear weapons when he did say that repeatedly , in a few different interviews. he has now repeatedly denying that he ever said that, so the campaign has had a rocky week and it's just continuing on. i thought the easiest thing in the world to do would have been to grab out the text on the foreign-policy speech he gave a few weeks ago and revise some of those lines. john: i understand crooked, lying hillary. on this question as we discussed yesterday of whether donald trump meets the bar, you will have to engage her on substance. that wasn't a huge substantive speech she gave yesterday. i want to go back to chris jensen and ask you out there in california with these sanders

campaign i know there's been a , lot of talk on the ground about superdelegates today. tell us what that chatter is about or what you're hearing on the sanders side of the street on that discussion. >> we heard from jeff weaver on nbc today, pushing back really hard. in my conversations with top aides and bernie sanders himself, not only do they push act against the whole idea of superdelegates being out there for hillary clinton, that it is going to be decided on tuesday night, but yesterday when he had a press conference, and i really pushed him on superdelegates and said, you will need to turn 300 plus superdelegates. he simply said, i've answer the question, and he walked away. the math of it, while they understand it, they feel as though other people don't understand what they are doing, which is drawing crowds, getting people to say we need an alternative, and that he really believes if he wins california, he can go and make arguments to

those superdelegates even though there hasn't been at this point any indication that there are massive numbers of superdelegates waiting to make a turn. let me make just one more quick point. yesterday i talked to one of his circuits,h profile susan sarandon, and she said matter-of-factly that things would change when hillary clinton got indicted. when i pointed out to her there was no indictment or any proof that there was going to be an indictment, she basically dismissed what i said. and i will say for those who are bernie or bust people, that's not an unusual thing when i talk to people that they truly believe something huge is going to happen that's going to change the trajectory, the numbers between now and philadelphia. it seems to me -- injecting analysis into this -- and i know that the clinton campaign believes this -- the argument that the bernie sanders from a position where he really

hillary clinton has beaten him in raw total votes by 3 million, that bernie sanders will be able to make an argument to superdelegates that they should overturn the will other democratic electorate has always struck me as a little nuts. why is it they are still so intent on winning california, deploying money, the time of the candidate and the candidate's spouse to win out there? she couple of points, one, thinks if she can win this state, the most populous state, she takes away senator sanders' argument that he's gotten anywhere close to her in the pledged delegates. and so she essentially takes that argument off the table that he should stay in this race. you has to do with something else. it has to do with having a strong finish. i been talking to a lot of her surrogates, a lot of democrats

who say it is so vitally important that she competes here, that she really tries to win here so she can head into , the convention with as many delegates as possible and with a win in a state this big and diverse, and that has everything to do with party unity. if on wednesday secretary clinton wakes up and she has won california, i think you are quickly going to see president barack obama, who is eager to get into this game, indoors her. i think you will see in short order that he will get out on the campaign trail. i'm told he's anxious to do that, and that speaks to party unity. that is really what she is missing right now. all of the scenes come together, and that is what makes california so vitally important to her. john: earlier in the show i confidently asserted there were people in donald trump's world who are beating their heads against the wall watching him make these comments over and over again about this federal judge. what do you know about how trump world is reacting to seeing the

their boss say these things over and over again? chris: there's a group of aides in the trump campaign that are extraordinarily straight at, frustrated. that these comments are unnecessary. sarcastically i was told by one, it's not as if we have a latino problem. these are the sort of things that could take down this campaign. the unnecessary negative attacks a garner negative publicity, especially with somebody in charge of appointing his own judges, and somebody who does not seem to understand that separation of powers in this country and the independence of the judiciary is of great concern within the campaign and in some sectors of the campaign, and there are folks within the campaign right thetrying to mitigate

unfavorables with latinos, women it comesand also when to veterans. last week, i was told that they have hundreds of people lined up ceosdorse donald trump, that are women, latino farmers, and decorated veterans. none of those endorsements were announced. to donald not get trump in california because his campaign manager and his communications director did not deliver the press releases to the candidate. there is an fighting in the campaign that seems to be making it unnecessarily hard for them to come together and find a strategic and coherent message that doesn't just include donald trump insulting his opponents and claiming that he will make america great again. headquarters versus the road, very big issue and that trump campaign right now. thanks to you all.

stay cool in california. when we come back, bernie sanders and a voice from hollywood. don't forget that if you are watching is an washington, d.c., you can listen to us on the radio radio. we will be right back. ♪

mark: one pretty interesting storyline in the 2016 democratic nomination fight has been the celebrities who have lined up by sanders, sarah silverman, danny devito, susan sarandon, and more. when john and i were out in l.a. this week and we caught up with one of the supporters.

he has joined sanders all over the country across the country and on a 12 city tour along the mexico border and into california. we talked with him why he likes standards, his thoughts on hillary clinton, and his decision to jump into politics. thank you for joining us. this is the first time you've done politics. what caused you to get off your couch and get involved with this particular presidential campaign? >> i don't spend much time on my couch. mark: i meant metaphorically. >> i get it. i still don't feel like i'm involved in politics. got into it because i saw he was an activist. act of his work. to be honest, politics drain me. there is an overarching feel of within his movement, and politics to seem to play a part in it.

it is easier for me to get involved because i standing up am for the disenfranchised and marginalized people in this country through this movement and championing things i was already involved in, like black lives matter. john: why do you think senator sanders had such a hard time for a long time with african-american voters? why do you think he was not able to make the sale? >> >> it's kind of this are that -- bizarre that -- i don't know any african-americans that support her. even in houston, where i'm from. but i do -- speculation would be, she's had decades of campaigning. she campaigned with her husband, she went down there and shook hands, she did a lot of pr. kleenex, likeft, a brand name. you go to that first, even though it may not be the best

thing for you. it may have chemicals that you should not be putting in your mouth, but you know craft. a lot of people, especially in the southern states, are not on the computer 24/7, they are not on social media. these are older people, especially old black women who are voting for her or who have voted for her. even now some of them tell me that if they would have known who he was, they would have voted for him. he has so much area to cover that she's covered for a couple of decades now. i think that is the main reason. he just hasn't gotten out there and been able to talk to these people and look them in the eye. >> you just described her as a tube of toothpaste with chemicals that you should not put in your mouth. do you think of her as a less good choice than bernie sanders? ivc, you prefer him, but she's fine. she will be great. you will be happy to support her

as the democratic nominee? or do you think hillary clinton is part of a corrupt system, part of the oligarchy, part of what is wrong with american politics today? >> i do think she participates in what is wrong with american politics today. when people ask me this question, i can't ever bring myself to vote for someone who i believe would hurt the people i love, or has a hushed history of doing that. john: you think she falls in that category? you think of a clinton would be actively detrimental to the people you love? >> from what i've seen, yeah. john: what is the history that leads you to that conclusion? >> black and brown people are the first to go to war. they are most likely to join the military, most likely to be targeted by the war on drugs. crime bill. you know, i just haven't seen -- it's more so about bernie and the work he's done with civil rights.

i did not think that he is this white politician who i don't think has any draw towards anybody who looks like me. then i was slapped in the face by all his work in the civil rights movement. being the chairman on racial equality when he was in college marching with mlk, and from what , i've read, in high school he a platform of raising scholarships for korean war orphans. it was just like, what draws you to stand up for these disenfranchised and marginalized people and reach outside your community? that is so impressive to me. that he action cares about these people. he actually cares about people who look like me. he's done more for black people than any person i know. he's done more for latinos than any latino i know personally. what draws you to do that for decades? what draws you to do that before it is popular? what draws you to stand up for gay people in 1971 and 1974?

and run on a platform of including gay rights in the civil rights bill when that was not a thing. that shows me foresight and that he really cares and he loves these people. john: our great thanks to kendrick sampson. you can watch him on abc's "how to get away with murder." the presidential race means for your weekend. ♪

♪ >> here in america, we don't let our differences tear us apart. not here, because we know our greatness comes when we appreciate each other's strengths, when we learn from

each other, when we lean on each other. because in this country it's never been each person for themselves. no, we are all in this together. we always have been. mark: that was first lady michelle obama today taking what has been seen as a jab at donald trump during her commencement speech at the city college of new york. and now we will go back, looking , at the week, and then forward into next week. this was one of the biggest weeks so far for the 2016 campaign. let's talk about some of the moments that seem to have impacted the race, including, starting with hillary clinton's foreign policy speech. john, there was the david french bombshell. david french's candidacy did not take off this week. it's in kind of a holding pattern. john: that's true. you saw michelle obama there. hillary clinton, barack obama all going after donald trump this week. hillary clinton the most important. there's a story in "the new york times" with staggering quotes

from democrats cheered by hillary clinton's attack on donald trump. republicans worry about it. is that a performance she can replicate? if she can or can't, what are the implications? mark: she can't do it every day. the campaign was smart. they took her off the trail so she could practice. they did a bait and switch. they got everybody to watch the speech. it turned out to be a series of attacks. she has given democrats such a shot of confidence that she can perform when needed. so going into the convention, i thinkto the debates , people will be much more confident path that one speech. the flip side of that is republicans within trump's world and the broader republican world are very upset not just with trumps performance, but the campaigns. they did not see a commence or at response. john: the question of whether

clinton could rise to the performance was an open question. we have the california primary coming on tuesday, that's pretty important. we have hillary clinton, bernie sanders, and donald trump, looking at next week, would you thinking about? tuesday night, i expect them to be in new york. how does sanders react? does he continue to basically campaign or does he move towards unity? the drumbeat has already started with harry reid and others calling for him to get out of the race. john: the six inches between bernie sanders' ears and what happens on wednesday morning, when he wakes up, where is his head at and what does he do going forward? mark: yeah, we will be back. ♪

john: a quick word on mohammed ali. he's been in the hospital for the last few days with a respiratory illness. probably goes without saying, muhammad ali's 74 years old but he will live forever as the greatest of all time. mark: amen. coming up, emily chang sits down with the cofounder of micromax. we will see you back here same bat time, same bat channel. sayonara. ♪

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