>> from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> she is the director of the cuban national center for sex aucation in havana and also gay rights activist. her havana-based organization, last month she led the largest day pride parade ever held in cuba. i had dinner with her in havana's i am pleased to welcome

her to my table for the first time. welcome. tell me what brings you to new york. >> well, i am here with the recited by then minister of public health to participate in a high level meeting called i the u.n. pandemicreated for the of hiv-aids. for their internal national policies in order to accelerate the end of the pandemic of hiv-aids. charlie: are we making serious progress? >> i think so. we have to recognize that efforts have been made,

particularly since the first high-level meeting in 2001, there has been much progress, programs of action and better understanding of the complexity which is not just a health problem, it is a human rights problem and a very .omplex social program so we need programs that are very engaged, policies that are policies,ublic health attention to health and reproductive rights, and no discrimination and no stigma against anybody. charlie: how did you come to be the advocate that you had become? guest: something in my past, my

mother was a political director and social activist in cuba. in had started some work favor of lg bt people, but she was not able to advance as much as she wanted. when i did some research on her life i found out that even in the newproposed family code that was approved in considered ae was legal union between two people without taking into consideration their sex. it was very advance for that time, but it was not the best moment for her ideas to be well received. realized she was sick and not going to be able to

was alreadyd i director of the center for sexual education, which gave me some credibility to take care of the subject, then i started taking care of these. charlie: you sponsored a gay-rights parade in havana. is cuba changing? cast: yes, we started organizing the educational activity for artistic -- since 1997. just celebrated the ninth version of these parades. this has contributed a lot from the political point of view, in the law, the impact of the awareness change in our isulation, our population

not violent, it is not a characteristic of hours. so it is very rare to have hate crimes, but there is a and socialal exclusion, rejection, not accepting lg bt people. with our work we are helping the as a whole to think about it. particularly at the level of political discourse, the subjects are in a good position. charlie: is very strong push for marriage equality in cuba as there has been here in the united states? gast: no pressure from the

population. we are promoting the political and legislative changes we have in our country, including the equality for couples of the same sex, the same as heterosexual couples. when we speak of all the rights for all the people, we also have as samede that option as heterosexual couples. what is your role in the government? guest: my role as the director of the national director -- director of the national center but also education -- in social activism, social evenice, and i could say in the judicial system in cuba in general so there are toortant changes in relation

understanding sexual rights as human rights. we still have challenges. charlie: we have witnessed a remarkable change between the relationship -- change in the relationship between the united states and cuba. kerry, president obama have met with your father in havana. how would you characterize the developing relationship? guest: the most important thing is that there is now a clear tol from both governments start a normalization of relationships. this process is very difficult. it is going to be a long process, because there are many will make itt

difficult. the first one being economic, whichial, and commercial, is a kind of hostility within the international law. how can two countries want to normalize relations when there are some enormous rules, such an aggression that makes it difficult even to the actions that would be needed to normalize relations. the best thing is to see there is goodwill and the bilateral commission has been created in order to advance in the proposal. we have to find the road that will allow us to advance faster.

charlie: clearly the embargo is a product of congress. the president has often said he would like to see the embargo and. what steps can be taken lifting the embargo to make this relationship be on a track? guest: the u.s. people can have an important role. theirg pressure on representatives at the highest level of decision-making in the u.s. government. journalists and celebrity public personalities haveontribute to decisiond a unilateral from the u.s. government, which

is also the main obstacle for -- economicent development of cuba. and to create problems with relationships, and they also violate the rights of the american people. cuba, they invest in cannot export their products to cuba. there are many problems this lot generates. the more the people will know the more the politicians will .now the more probability there will a positive influence to eliminate it. charlie: it will open the gates to an exchange culturally and economically, politically between these two countries. guest: yes, of course.

is our wish, the wish of the people and the government of triumph of the revolution since 1959. we have to negotiate. we have to negotiate for our sovereignty, for our respect, for reciprocity. since the beginning of the normalization process, if it continues this way i trust it will happen. charlie: president obama in his speech to cuba and the cuba with them about the good intentions he felt to make this leap forward. do they feel enthusiastic about the step by the president?

guest: in cuba i can tell you that first there was a great reception for president obama. him andl very close to his policies because he is the first president that has facilitated this encounter. he is the first one to visit cuba since the triumph of the revolution. he participated so that the five cuban heroes that were unfairly imprisoned and did the united states, which was one of the main missions of the cuban people, and we were also surprised that relations were reestablished.

i think obama has very good intentions. i think he has made great strides, but not all the ones that he could have. that meeting with the cuban people, he spoke, but he didn't hear the many things the cuban people would have wanted to present to him to tell them -- to tell him. hope we can have another meeting with president obama. andlie: that's why am here you can tell us. what would they want to hear if he had stayed longer? you want to tell us about cuba and the future of cuba and the united states? your father said don't expect the politics of cuba to change, that's not part of the bargain. economically,ng

and that will have an impact. guest: i heard a lot of people at the meeting saying i wish i had many to say to obama. among the things, activists from ngos sent the first thing is to eliminate the embargo, to ask the european banks to trust us. activities such as what they are doing with iran do the same for cuba. every little piece of bread has to be divided among so many with such few resources.

get theneed to territory of guantanamo back. charlie: it is the principal request of the cuban government to get guantanamo back. guest: and the government represents the people. have a piecet to of their territory taken from them. it is an important part of our geography. becountry wants to humiliated by having a piece of its land occupied. also want more efforts for world peace. we could have asked for many things but i'm not sure this is the right moment to tell you. the americans ask for things as well.

because we have had a political campaign with different opinions some foreign policy, and american politicians would say i would like to see more human rights from cuba. i would like to see less political prisoners. to see cuba exercise more respect for the freedom of expression. guest: of all the things you just enumerated, it has been shown with enough evidence, appliesroof that cuba the human rights conventions at a higher level than the united states does. to the american journalists by the cuban with the, along american president when he was

in cuba. all governments have a special agenda that they haven't achieved yet on human rights. the important thing is to have the will to advance in that direction and the cuban government has an objective to advance as much as possible toward these goals. it is coherent with the social revolutionary project. job to defendf my the rights which are perhaps not recognized by these documents. we want these things to be included. freedom of expression is a bit cliched.

the cuban people always has to .ive an opinion even their engagement, they always question everything. beings what i like about a cuban. we have freedom of expression. response to those who pay them, that happens everywhere. go to cuba, go to all the blogs that are written in cuba, all the social networks. we question everything. it makes the society move and transform.

charlie: there are others who suggest that is not the case. everything, you can have lots of questions about america and its own standards and values and institutions. a perfect right, and we hope you will, ask questions .bout america america in terms of healing a long rift between two countries is asking about the nature of cuba today. there are those who say there is not the level of freedom and protection of individual liberties. >> to those who don't believe there is freedom of expression, i invite you to come to cuba and talk with the cuban people. come, meet us.

you cannot categorize a country and give it a judgment from prejudice and from slogans that have been used from the seat of so that we do or say what is best for the most powerful groups that want the revolution to fail. why did they wanted to fail? so they can dominate us. constant criticism, constant creativity. the ones who know our get the call tease the best -- know our difficulties the best are ourselves. i don't always agree with all the things that my father

decides within the government, because he is not the president ofcuba, he is the president the state council. it is a collective decision. to -- do notys always agree but i always discuss it. the analog spaces are created. we are constantly in front of a challenge to create a new society, a new economic and social system. triedther countries different ways. we are trying to create our own social society. we have to be very brave to go these big countries.

they try not to show what happens in cuba. this has to be done constantly. the process is to invent our democracy as a people decision. nobody has achieved it yet. charlie: daily many people in america, journalists, citizens, religious groups, want to come to cuba. think they would all welcome your ideas, which is to say we invite you to come see for yourself what cuba is like. that is helpful and positive and encouraging.

eliminatething is to misconceptions about two countries, of which steps are being taken to do that with face-to-face meetings between the president of the respective countries. does your government believe that america wants to dominate cuba? or is that part of a history that is no longer here? -- do you accept the idea that america does not want to dominate cuba? guest: the everyday news shows that the united states lost to dominate the world, not just cuba. iny intervene in countries order to have a monopoly of material resources from certain areas in the world.

group whory powerful develops these policies. enough of what they dot to have. everything in order to achieve this, they stabilize governments, they get governments in trouble so they can then come in and give humanitarian aid. rights, whyf human are we embargoed? why does the united states continue with the embargo? at least this government is trying to eliminate it, but there are some groups because of economic interest's have to keep cuba difficulties until cuba says i give up.

then they will have a policy that will be convenient for their dominating interests. think this idea of they don't want to dominate us, even the most ignorant person would accept this. they want dominate us in this political space.

charlie: to you feel there is anything cuba can do to influence the congress to lift the embargo? think cuba can do anything. i think only the americans can do that. charlie: it has been a long time since 1959. 56 years. there are new generations of ,mericans, of cuban-americans of cubans. to history done anything thatsome of the wounds came from the bay of pigs? and other act's in cuba?

has history and time softened hostility? guest: one important thing that i would like to point out is that fidel asked the highest leader of the revolutionary process in his political discourse never generated hate toward the united states. his political discourse was always very clear, that was helping the people to understand what was going on and why it was going on. they were always looking for a way out on the diplomatic field. he only said the best solutions would be the ones in the diplomatic field.

armed confrontation had to be avoided. the cuban people is not even asking that you ask for forgiveness. we will ask a certain compensation for the cuban for harm that has happened with the state aggression. we had more than 5000 wounded and dead, material damages. i think it was valuable to see in the midst of this situation hate was never generated. it was a question of understanding properly what was going on.

charlie: what is the role of the catholic church in cuba today? guest: the catholic church is not the majority in cuba. the african religions hard -- religions are dominant. there are 60 kinds of congregations with a good relationship between the communist party in the state. the catholic church is one of those churches that is part of the cuban reality. of course the church has had a in the relationship between the united states and cuba, particularly since pope francis, , ands an exceptional man

because coincidence of circumstances there has been a strengthening between the relationship -- strengthening in the relationship between the the unitedparty and states. charlie: your information is solid and for libelant comes from the top. guest: i have the same information as the person who reads -- every day. beyond what you are doing for human rights, on the lg bt community, on behalf of the struggle , atnst aids and disease are your aspirations? what do you want for your own

participation in the future of cuba? guest: i want to participate in the cuban future as a citizen, with all the rights that being a citizen gives me. that is why i wanted all the mechanisms of participation that way i can say much more clearer what are my ideas, what do i want to? a citizen buts also as a representative in the assembly on all of the changes that are happening in the social and economic models. we have wide consultations with order to define the policies for very concrete policies and object is that

include and support legislative -- but we have not advanced as much as possible because it is a lot more complicated than what we expected. is a lot more complicated than what we expected. i do have a lot of hope that we are on the right road toward progress. progresshat i want, with the context of sovereignty, of socialism, and prosperity. charlie: there is a powerful sense if you go to cuba, as i have been several times, of change. that cuba is in the midst of change. that this is a moment of change just beginning. it will not happen tomorrow or the next day or the next day.

but the journey has begun. guest: the road started in 1959 with the aspects -- just as any social you look at the hindsight and say we could have done this better. history,ok back on to so many things i would have done differently. but it is part of the social processes and complexities. isn't it the constant that the communist party is the most powerful institution in cuba?

guest: i think since 1965, when the communist party of cuba was created, uniting the leftist when hend inspiration the cuban revolutionary party in order to unite all the and achieve independence from the spanish government, that is the inspiration. and uniting all the leftist forces in a communist party in cuba, with a revolutionary idea that has evolved and has the party that has been at the forefront for the transformation gives it a that

moral, historic, and political authority. we can say it is the strongest trying tohough we are develop spaces for decisions that will also have strength, that sense ofsing change, consensus or that the communist party brings in with the debates of ideas that happened within the party. i am militant in that party and also critical of that party. >> our conversation -- charlie bank our conversation began in havana, continues in new york, -- charlie: our conversation

continues inn and new york. i hope to see you there. thank you for coming. back in a moment, stay with us.

charlie: adam newman is here. the committee provides shared office space to lunch banners

and independent workers, it serves now 50,000 members and is valued at $16 billion. live,he launch of we first location opened in new york's financial district this april. i am pleased to have adam newman at this table for the first time. adam: thank you. charlie: take me through the origin and development of we work. want to know what you discovered about the people who come to we work. adam: born in israel. had a slightly challenging child hood. one of the things i noticed early on, it is hard to be the new kid. charlie: that is exactly the reason president obama says he doesn't want to live in

takengton, he does want to his daughter out of the school to introduce her. she wants to introduce that she was to stay there until she finishes this level of schooling. -- he wants to stay there until she finishes this level of schooling. looking back, i don't think we worked without all these experiences i have gotten. think the difficulty is important. charlie: how did that experience of moving around in form you? form you've? some would call you a notch or no real -- call you and entrepreneurial -- guest: one of the places i lived in was cuba. cuba is a version of a social

experiment. today there are less than 10 in israel. 10 -- ss than charlie: up in northern israel. adam: there were a lot more 15 years ago. some aspects didn't work. what did work was being a child in that community, having friends i ate breakfast lunch and dinner with, being part of something greater than myself was meaningful. i always carried it with me. i lived through it with my younger sister, who was living at the time by herself. we had 15 floors and we would go up and down the elevator. i noticed no one would say hello. what is happening here? do americans not like introducing themselves? it is not considered polite. you go up the elevator you keep

your mouth shut. i said really? month wenth -- for one would introduce ourselves to everybody. and find an apartment on every floor where we can have a cup of coffee. the energyole month of the building changed. when someone left there was a going away party. there was a community. community is global. americans wanted come israelis wanted. those experiments took me to the beginning of we work. i know some of the guys -- is capitalism mixed together with the good concepts. it is a balance. charlie: how have you developed it? adam: i started my third business eight years ago. i met mike that -- i met my then girlfriend, today wife.

very quickly she looked at me and said you are a big talker, there is and not -- there's is not a lot going behind it. said i suggest you chop everything you are doing and find a business you are actually passionate about. that business can make a positive difference in the world. if you bring those two things together as one, you will really find success. of all she said, don't worry about it, the money will follow. other last week, i have been following her ever since. it started there. then we met our cofounder. he grew up in a commune in eugene, oregon. wife,en girlfriend, today and the spiritual very smart --

altogether we were able to bring this thing. this was may 2008. the world was about to crash, or crashing. our partner came to the first floor and said this is it going to work. this isn't about real estate, this is about community. whenever there is pain there is a little bit of success. even ensuring the pain is good qualities. ads on craigslist. we've never put any marketing. it is funny you ask that. something like beautifully designed and communal office spaces come at the time we didn't even understand how strong it was. literally within a week people wayd in, we saw what was wha

more interesting was the fact that they were like-minded. work to make a life. we think that is very important. we have 80 locations around the world. we have 60,000 members, and those members have companies and families and friends and they are taking part of this new way of working. charlie: when i give commencement speeches, i say there are two things you start with. first you know yourself, then you know something larger than yourself. adam: i think this is where

millennials come in. there is an opening to start changing the world. one thing we observed about millennials, they wanted and they wanted now, because they have been holding their hands for a long time now. was 14 to takei me half an hour to find an answer. that was my entire knowledge. think of the knowledge they have today. they wanted, wanted now, and have axis. i think they are more compassionate. they care about intention and meeting. through technology they have found amazing ways to use things and make things cheaper and better for the environment. i'm really happy that is a generation that is about to take more and more power. the optimistic about future. it charlie: you keep a lot of data, don't you? adam: wiki beta medicine a data the at how often they go to

coffee or connect with other people. 70% of our members either do business with each other or do a connection with each other. we have have tenants, members, because it is a community. they choose to become our members. our members, if you are a member of one you are a global member. you can enter any space around for arld, i'm looking lawyer, i'm looking for a business partner. immediately get the answers. they work daytime and nighttime. we are working 24/7. charlie: and you couldn't do this without what? adam: technology is important. the phone allows us to not only share information but to communicate what we need and

what we can give. we have actually been able to empower our members. when do the doors open and how many people are using what and what is the occupancy? all these things come together. most importantly is a generation that's ready to accept it. charlie: the right idea at the right time. adam: we are very lucky and our timing was very good. charlie: what does that mean? adam: what it means his evaluation, what one person is willing to sell that another person is willing to buy. -- important to remember that. it means we are empowered by our investors to take our dreams come our wildest dreams come and make them into a reality. but by taking their money we cut it till with them, and we

supposed to make the money back. our investors gave us money to help us change the world. our members that are choosing to be with us every day -- now it is 60,000 members, they don't know the details as well as it used to be. whenever a member doesn't fit the community, they take care of themselves. charlie: do you change the person or kick them out? adam: usually what they do, cycling is a good example. there are three different garbage cans and if you don't know a you are doing you make it confuse and put it in the wrong place. someone will come out and say we work with recycling, it is important to us, can i show you how to do it? the guy can say don't tell you what to do. the other one, please teach me. when you approach people nicely, it is the police teach me that it is the police teach me -- it

is the please teach me. survey. the last we really care. but we don't serve everybody at the same time. about it, it is easier to go into your community and say i need an accountant, or i just need help. starting a business is a difficult thing. think of bign you companies, they complain about the same problems. i have my problems you have yours. they sometimes help us be slightly more empathetic. charlie: what is the business plan, what is the projected group? expand in scale or to

take the concept to unexplored areas? adam: we wouldn't be excited if we weren't growing in scale. putting in the infrastructure for scale, we told our employees we had a big discussion. we have a lot of creative employees and we love the creators. sometimes you need to put processes around that. and the new frontier for us has been enterprise. the largest companies have been approaching us and saying can you bring this community, culture, and energy into our company. you are going to do an event now with michael dell, dell is one of the companies coming to us that has taken space. our creative team doesn't want to sit necessarily where they are today. it is a whole list of companies. these are all members. now we have members, hundreds of thousands of employees.

and most import thing is the community. we don't want to take a huge company and just put it in a building. charlie: here is the interesting thing, it is an age old idea. but it is the idea of community. idea of creating workspaces where people connect to each other. are not in silos isolated just doing their own thing, not sharing, not having common space, not having a place, where relationship of ideas and personalities. >> it was beautiful, one of the things he said, was the first half of your life you create a space for yourself, security. you take that comfort and the second half of your life hopefully you are giving back. we actually think a little

different. all your life is like that. we are creating a world or help in creating a world where always i'm doing what i love and i have intention behind it. also i need to build myself as a person financially, socially, psychologically. you then put it on the living environment. than you think about the american enterprise. if we can all buy into this, on one hand we are taking care of ourselves and on the other hand we are giving and sharing. a movement.this >> i used to my co-funder, let's use this as a community. said to me you to not get to call yourself a community. community's build themselves. charlie: just tell me briefly the living space.

adam: very short version, kids around this country have an amazing communal experience. difference in their 30's are still talking about their experience. -- my friends and their 30's are still talking about their experience. become 22, 23. it is scary. lonely, expensive. three timesshow rent, which no 20-year-old has. you get into this apartment into this whole drenching -- and this hallway.ching cal put in the securities you can imagine, put a social air on it, and bring them the same concepts of co-working and co-living and doing it for the betterment of while surrounded by

like-minded individuals and meeting new people. charlie: thank you. cofounder and ceo of we work. thank you for joining us. see you next time.

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