♪ >> from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. charlie: welcome to the program. we begin this evening with the president of the united states in orlando. president obama: i am pleased to hear the senate will hold both on preventing individuals with possible terrorist ties from dying guns, including assault weapons. i truly hope that senators rise to the moment, and do the right thing. i hope that senators who voted no on background checks after newton have a change of heart. i hope the house does the right thing and help to end the plague

of violence that these weapons of war inflict on so many young lives. i have said this before, will not be able to stop every terrorist. we cannot wipe away hatred and evil from every heart in this world. but we can stop some tragedies. we can save some lives. impact of ae the terrorist attack if we are smart. act, we will keep seeing more massacres like this. because we will be choosing to allow them to happen. said, we do not care enough to do something about it.

here in orlando, we are reminded not only of our obligations as a country, to be resolute against terrorism, we are reminded not only of the need for us to implement smarter policies, to prevent mass shootings. we are also reminded of what unites us as americans. bet what unites us is far stronger than the hate and terror of those who target of -- target us. here, many people lesbian, gay, bisexual, nightclubr, the pulse has always been a safe haven. a place to sing and dance, and most importantly to be who you truly are.

'scluding for so many people who's families are originally rico.ertigo -- puerto sunday morning that thanks where he was violated. whatever influences let the killer down the path of violence and terror, whatever propaganda he was consuming from isil and qaeda, it -- and al was a act of terrorism and an active hate. it was an attack on the lgbt community. americans were targeted because we are a country that has learned to welcome everyone. no matter who you are or who you love. hatred towards people because of , regardlesstation , it is ait comes from

betrayal of what is best in us. joe and i were talking on the breaker here, you cannot up the world into us and them, and denigrate, and express hatred towards groups because of the color of their skin, or their faith, or their sexual and not feed something very dangerous in this world. if there was ever a moment for all of us to reflect and ,eaffirm our most basic beliefs that everybody counts and everyone has dignity, now is the time. it is a good time for all of us to reflect on how we teach -- treat each other.

and to insist on respect and equality for every human being. we have to end discrimination and violence against our brothers and sisters who are in the lgbt community. here at home, and around the world, especially in countries were they are routinely prosecuted. we have to challenge the oppression of women, wherever it occurs -- here or overseas. there is only us, americans. , the men anddo women taken from us, those who left them -- loved them, we see some of the true character of this country, the best of humanity coming roaring back with love, compassion, and the fears resolved that will carry

us through this atrocity, but through whatever difficult times may confront us. it is our pluralism and respect for each other, including name young man -- including been young man who said you -- he was super proud to be latino. the love of the country, the patriotism of an army reservist who is known as an amazing officer. it is our unity, the outpouring of love to so many across the tontry that have shown that our fellow americans that are lgbt. the display of solidarity that might have been unimaginable even a few years ago. moments,is darkest of that gives us hope. seeing people reflect. seeing people's best instincts come out. maybe in some cases minds and hearts changing. it is our strength and our

resilience. the same determination from a man who died here who traveled the world, mindful of the risk as a gay man, but who spoke for all of us when he said, we cannot be afraid. we are not going to be afraid. strength inhat same our own lives. -- we all find that same strength in our own lives. maybe we find that same wisdom and how we treat one another. may god bless all who we lost here in orlando. may he comfort their families. wounded.al the solace tong some those whose hearts have been broken.

may he give us resolve to do what is necessary. -- necessary to reduce the hatred of this world, to curb the violence. may he watch over this country that we call home. thank you very much, everybody. ♪

♪ charlie: he is co-chief

executive officer and vice chairman of kissinger associates. he began his career as a journalist, his new book is called "the seventh sense, power , fortune, and survival in the age of networks." it explores the ways our rapidly connected world exports the future. welcome. let me ask why did you leave journalism,? love being a journalist, i loved working for walter isaacson. i had the kind of personality i wanted to go deep. i have a little bit of may an academic streak in my personality. as i looked around the world and saw what was going on, i said it would be fascinating to know more about china. i moved to their. -- there.

i would never haven't is a paid i would fall in love with the country. i never would have anticipated i would've fallen in love with the country. i was very opportunistic. i was the tech editor of "time." i had seen what happens when you have a giant force that emerges and changes the rules of the game. charlie: as it did in technology. joshua: i looked covering that. i looked around the world and said, what other stories are like this? in 2000-2001, it seemed like china. it has done that. charlie: you'd went over there to do what? joshua: i do i wanted to leave journalism and get into the commercial world. i also needed to learn the language. i took a year sabbatical. i didn't know what i would do at the end. i was lucky enough to get it -- an advisory job working for john thorton. . it is very deep.

henry, who is the iconic westerner offered me a partnership in his firm. that was not anything i would say no to. since then it has been an incredible education. charlie: how much time is spent their? --there? joshua: it is down to 40% of the time. i still have that feeling. i never feel like i do not want to get on the plane to china. it is the most interesting place in the world. charlie: it has not changed? joshua: it is more interesting is a story now. a gets more complex and interesting. before i move to china, someone gave me advice -- they said as important as being bilingual is being biased cultural -- is being bicultural. that is true. every time i go back there, you feel you are reentering this incredible puzzle that is fascinating. the emergence of a new superpower is kind of a once

every 200 or 300 years phenomenon. it is not clear how this will work out. the chance to sort of observed that from zero distance range is really very special. charlie: it is an interesting point. it is going to be disruptive, but we do not know what the ramifications are. joshua: i think we do not have an intellectual model. it is one thing to say, people compare it to the emergence of germany and britain a few years ago. the industrial world rules of power are different. we cannot compare it. there are things we can learn, but the background in which this is happening is not an environment where nothing is changing. possibly part of the largest revolution since the industrial revolution. it has another level of complexity. charlie: one of the interesting things -- he talked about the cultural differences, your closeness to kissinger, he is

always -- in conversation with me, understanding cultural place. political leaders come from that. joshua: i have never found someone a more acute student of psychology than henry. that was one of the things when i started working there that was surprising. the amount of time we spend trying to understand, what is the landscape he spends? what is the historical and intellectual and cultural landscape in which someone operates? it is important and his diplomatic perspective. the stakes are high. it totally changes the way you look at a problem. you do not look at a commercial problem, because ours is commercial as the problem itself. you understand the concept. it turns out that happen to be a key to success for any likely to succeed commercial project in china -- it is better informed it has that background. charlie: what is your product? joshua: helping people navigate in china complex commercial transactions.

--is, as you probably know charlie: to understand dynamics. joshua: it is a dynamic, rapidly changing environment. sustainable-term that benefits everyone, it takes understanding of partners and environment. it takes understanding of tactical issues. it is part of the process of the chinese evolution. i do not think there is any more interesting way to kind of take the pulse of the country than havingeals there and watched a decade and a half of the evolution of what a transaction in china looks like today, as opposed to 15 years ago. charlie: more open today? joshua: yes. in certain areas. you are seeing the emergence of chinese firms and executives who are much more capable of operators of businesses when i moved there 15 years ago. the general maturity of the

system is growing. having said that, it is in the midst of the most complicated economic reform program in human history. peoplelifted 400 million out of poverty, they have this problem of how do you get more people into the middle class? charlie: they bring demands which drives the economy. joshua: one of the interesting things about china, the minute you get out of shanghai, you see what is going on in other parts of the country. you watch the seeds of reform trying to come out of the ground and grow. you really get a sense of both the potential, but also the incredible challenges. charlie: tell me about the seventh sense. subtitle, power, fortune, and their survival in the age of networks. we have gone to the industrial, informational revolution, therefore it has created new shaping institutions, alliances, and relationships which have more impact some people argue than any other sort of element.

to try towanted understand -- the question i was interested in is what is the scale of what we are going through? coming from the world of journalism where we have seen the incredible upheaval in that space because of technology. you look at so many different world and see them being changed by connectivity. i wanted to understand what was going on inside the systems. why was it that some people have the ability to see the dynamics? connected system and a network of any kind is any set of connected points. it could be people, voters, citizens of unite -- of new york, businesses that operate in bitcoin. we live in a world where you're seeing an explosion of these linked meshes. charlie: the mutuality of interest? joshua: the idea is you have many systems operating together. they often create surprising results. if we set here year ago and said

who is most likely to be the republican nominee. you would've thought the guy with two presidents in the family, for decades of political experience. charlie: jeb bush. joshua: as opposed to the reality tv background guide. that connect to networks. charlie: if you want to explain, you would argue from that -- if you want to explain donald trump's success in the primaries, york slain his reliance on twitter -- you explain his reliance on twitter because he created his own network. joshua: not only that. we know that network's creek -- crave certain things. we are constantly checking e-mail or facebook. if we think about financial markets, they move instantly. charlie: and what is trending today. joshua: we don't mean just the internet. one of the things these networks want is constant updates. trump's ability to be in the

headlines always is a property of a network. charlie weis it is interesting now because the polls in the last few days as we taped this on wednesday afternoon, it is there is a growing gap between secretary clinton and donald trump. joshua: it will make the election interesting. you start to see networks opposed to the trump network. it is a battle of networks. one of the things people say about networks, it takes one to defeat another network. one way to understand this election, almost anything these days is that of the various networks and how are they interacting? that is part of the idea of the book. charlie: i assume it is also about members. you could argue part of that network, one the ascending democratics. latinos, women, young. she owns more than he does. , when theu can watch remarks about the judge came

out, you could eat as other network running -- forming and -- you could see this other network forming and creating opposition. charlie: we mentioned earlier, i was at the china developer forum , and you were as well. all we wanted to know, american politics. specifically donald trump. they created a session for me to dare, just to talk about donald trump. it is amazing -- for me to do, just to talk about donald trump. it is amazing. joshua: the first question is why does american politics matter so much? it turns out this is another network property. that is one of the things that happens in networks. there are certain systems that become essential for the operation of the network. they often have a lot of concentrated power. if you look around the world there are eight different connected systems with more than one billion users, facebook, youtube. have a unusual property,

the more successful they get, the more of a monopoly that become. there is no second place to facebook or youtube. it turns out everyone thinks, the networks distribute power to everyone. at the same time it creates incredible concentration. all of those platforms are american. analyze the to world in network terms, not just internet platforms, currency trade, all of these things, the u.s. turns out to be essential for everywhere in the world. not an industrial terms because it is the central network. for the chinese understand is that issue -- the importance of how the united states operates. i think there are a few reasons they are fascinated. one is this one, they know that so much of the international system depends on the healthy functioning of the centralized system. the second, like everyone, they are trying to understand what is happening with u.s. politics. charlie: it influences them.

--hua: the deeper question which is in the book, what is the future of big and i've states in the international system? is the international -- what is the future of the united states in the international system? will it continue to be a superpower with a dominant position. where entering a time there is a theory and international relations where every 100 years power is handed off. so the dutch handed to the spanish. charlie: the rising power -- joshua: that is an accurate discussion of the last 500 years. the u.s. took over from the british. people wonder now who takes over from the u.s.. if you look at all of human history, particularly a chinese perspective, you find countries and the systems that dominate for hundreds of years. a core question of the chinese philosophy is, where is the united states? is in a declining power?

joshua: it is the rising power against the establishment. charlie: the interesting thing about this is in the last week as a commercial transaction, microsoft bought linkedin for $26.2 billion. what does linkedin have? it has 320 million people who are part of the network. that network. these are people in business and enterprises, not like facebook, which is every teenager in everyone else. joshua: it also has data. that come in the future turns out to be valuable. what is the next of these billion user platforms. we know that the more people that use facebook, the better it gets. we will see that happen in the world of artificial intelligence. that is probably the next greatest platform. linkedin, in that world, suddenly becomes a wonderful data mine for how people

interact, where they are going, how they think. charlie: you also say anytime you want anything into the network, you forever alter its nature. joshua: you are what you are connected to. the main example for all of us now, we see this now with this horrible domestic activated theorism in orlando is that minute you connect to the world, you have no idea you are connecting to. it brings risk. at the same time it brings opportunity. you have to accept that as a feature. charlie: and you have no idea. i was struck by the language of the gunmen in orlando. he had been inspired, he had been influenced by, he was, i --nk you said, he was connected to isil. tohua: that is the ability remotely, my last book i began with spending time with the chief technology officer at

hezbollah, if you think about that from al qaeda to isis, your mapping the technological elements. charlie: we know this because of in sans happened bernardino represented one of the questions, but also paris, they're using apps that are encrypted, providing a huge new problem for law enforcement. joshua: it changes all of the technology. charlie: and bad guys use it the same way good guys do. joshua: it changes the fun and all nature, having said that, if you think about the long-term position of the u.s., the greatest threat is not terrorism. it will not wipe out the u.s.. it is not a nexus until -- it is not an exit potential threat. -- existential threat. the only threat is the emergence

of networks, for dna and data. as long as the u.s. maintains that position -- charlie: and technological superiority. any guarantee we can do that? joshua: it depends on the quality -- charlie: the u.s. has 18 of the best educational institutions. joshua: the values of a society that encourage innovation, it is not an accident those platforms are all american. if you asked -- if you had to have a picture of the international system in your head in 15 or 20 years, we know it will be different because the one thing we know is today the legitimacy of every institution is collapsing. something will have to be built. a not bad picture is a set of these interconnected communities , gay cap worlds that run on certain values. they will all have this property that he more people that use them, the better it is. charlie: i interviewed president obama not long ago. dom asking this question,

you believe the u.s. has the best military and technology, the biggest a comedy -- biggest economy -- down the line, what could go wrong? he said, our politics could go wrong. we have to fix our politics. politics are frozen. even notwithstanding networks and everything else, there is the limit on the capacity to apply all of the networks. joshua: henry kissinger, the acid test of any foreign policy is the ability to withstand a mystic politics. the networks are doing to politics in economics things that are not helping. we have to learn to design them in a better way. charlie: congratulations. " is the book.ense he wrote another book, "the age of the unthinkable." thank you.

joshua: thank you. charlie: back in a moment, stay with us. ♪

♪ cofoundere is ceo and the new generation virtual assistant powered by artificial intelligence. the goal is to open ai to the world. " enable everyone to talk to everything. writing for the medium, john

is trying to create is a platform shift on the scale of google search or apple's app store. a new way to interact with the internet itself. he served -- he previously cofounded siri, purchased by apple in 2010. i am pleased to have them at this table for the first time. welcome. ai assistants. layout the landscape. >> so, actually the vision for this type of paradigm has been inspired by hollywood. hal 9000.days of only nicer this time. apple came out with an inspiration for everyone in this business, which was a kind of scenario that they visualized that talked about, had the

person come into a room and was essentially the virtual assistant we are all shooting to build today. now we have, we launched this .ndependently in 2010 soon after, apple acquired us and really brought this to the world. dag: ever since then, every one of the top tech committee's -- companies is spending billions for this race. charlie: what does that mean? dag: it means that when you can talk to something, a computer or device, it knows you. it is a natural interaction. it is a simpler way to do things. because of that, more and more devices and services want to be a part of being that simple to use. that sort of becomes a paradigm in and of itself. talking to things becomes the future way to interact with almost any kind of device and any kind of service. it is simpler. charlie: five near-term -- five

years from now we will be doing what? dag: everyone starts and thinks about the phone, because of but you will be talking to your card. there is wasted commute time sitting in traffic in the u.s.. why not christmas shop when you are there. tell it what to do, what to put on the card. ordering food that will be ready , 10 minutes behind you when you get home. that would be an in car scenario for what the systems might do. charlie: you said the goal for viv is ubiquity. dag: yes. we want to enable all of the device makers. people like toy companies come to us and say, i want a teddy bear that helps us teach our children how to do math. it is a cool idea, i just don't know how to do the talking part. this is a scarce resource that

we want to unleash and let anyone who wants to apply it to any kind of device do that. and building marketplace of services. developers can come in and plug-in essentially and become thousands of times more powerful. charlie: did you develop siri outside of apple and it was purchased by them? dag: correct. the technology for it was originally stanford research. we spun that out in 2008. we started a company startup and works down and perfected that to consumer products we launched in 2010. about three weeks later i was going out to lunch. my business guy came in and said, scott from apple would

like to talk to you. i said, great. my phone rang. i saw was from cupertino. if you have an iphone, of course you know how you have to swipe it. they kept bouncing back. it would not answer. it was on the seventh swipe, i picked it up, it was a gentleman that said, hey, this is steve jobs. charlie: what did he say? dag: in a nutshell he said we love what you are doing, can you come over to my house tomorrow. would love to talk to about it. charlie: what did you do? dag: i grabbed my two founders and we spent hours with steve talking about the future. he made the case how iphone would win the smartphone wars and how we could work together to change the way people interact. charlie: when did they want to buy it? we have some back-and-forth negotiations, but a few months later we decided to move forward. charlie: what role do you think it has played in the iphone? dag: i think it was a crucial

part of it for us launch. it was introducing a new paradigm in a what -- in a way that only apple knows how to do properly. it was interesting to watch our baby is taken on an international stage. charlie: why did you leave to start another company? dag: i left for other reasons and eventually came around to talk to other entrepreneurs couple of years later. we were brainstorming what was going on and we alternately all of thet siri and other assistants are really just chapter one of a bigger, more important story. we started thinking about, what do we need to do to really scale this up. how do we make this ubiquitous? what are the key aspects? charlie: what technology do we need? what are other things we need? dag: we start with what is missing.

charlie: what ability? dag: what market function would have to get involved in what technology would enable it? what i liken it to you is the launch of the iphone in 2007, where they launched with only apple apps. eight.re 8 -- there were they opened up the app store, and that change the world. unleashing third parties. that is sort of where the artificial intelligences. if you look at all the players out there, they do a few dozen things, and they are similar. we want to take that and make it -- occupy a fiveapps majority of the business? dag: facebook and if you others, and messaging. dominate a few that the attention and downloads and time. charlie: is this the next

paradigm? dag: we believe so. apparently everyone of the other top tech companies believe so. i think everyone sees with this is headed. it is sort of a world that starts to move beyond the app itself. if you think about this internet of things that you are hearing is -- that does not work in anapp world. to will not download apps your refrigerator or mirror in the bathroom, you need something in the cloud. charlie: on a scale of 0-100, where are we invoice for -- in voice-recognition? dag: so, are you familiar with merrymakers? charlie: sure. dag: she is great. 90%-90s we are between

5% in voice recognition accuracy -- 95% in voice recognition accuracy. as we approach 99% quality, it becomes a more mass-market phenomenon. that is one of the keys. you have to get past a certain threshold of quality. it suddenly becomes a natural thing to do. charlie: we have done that? dag: we are not there yet. we're getting close enough, where most people if they speak relatively clearly, it works well for. that is evidenced by the fact that siri gets 100 billion queries a year. -- just announced charlie: what will viv do that sir cannoti? dag: it will allow any third party to build something new to it. the difference is, today, most of these folks decide what their roadmap will be. a project manager will lay out a

roadmap. they will build it. now we are talking about artificial intelligence in a wikipedia model. anyone can decide that they want to build something be at a large company, a bank could create a new way to interact with customers. any individual could plug-in johnny's soccer schedule and what field are we using saturday. the difference is this system is built from the ground up to be able to handle the world of people and developers to teach. that allows for this explosion of capabilities. charlie: i saw you do a demonstration at cbs this morning which will be on tomorrow. ,asically you are able to say viv show me the flights leaving in the next half hour for san francisco. the thing about it was instant. with viv. can do what

dag: we have a set of showcase domains. things like travel, hotels, flights, car rentals, things associated with travel. decision-making things. ride like uber. events. what should i do this weekend? get me tickets through ticketmaster. conversational commerce. we find out that typing or speaking in itself is seven times faster than typing. that makes it more efficient. when you can streamline the whole process. just a few words and you get something done. believe me, you do not go back to the old way once you have tried it. you want to get a hotel room, you say, get me a room at this place friday night. charlie: and these are the specifics of what i like. in the front, on the waterfront. -- once are hitting on

you have shown some pattern towards preference on one of those it will start to learn. it will ask, or you can tell it. charlie: is the technology for echoes, which is amazon, whatever google is doing, siriver apple will do with , is the technology the same? dag: no. it is definitely not all the same. charlie: it is not the same. that would determine who wins and loses in the endgame. dag: in part. i think you have -- different companies have different strengths. speech recognition, some people are really good. google is the best in the world. nuances in microsoft is getting there. apple is getting there. charlie: why did you call it viv ? dag: it actually means life. it will breathe life into the intimate objects and devices in

your life through conversation. charlie: your choice? dag: yes, we found it -- we chose it as a founding group. charlie: you said it is about taking the way that an human beings have naturally interacted with each other for thousands of years and applying it how the interactive services. that is the key. you took the way we talk to each other and said, that will be the model. dag: you do not need a direction on how to use it. it comes naturally. you move to a place when there is enough scale here where it is almost as if you are talking directly to the internet. it is doing things on your behalf. a gets to know you. the whole thing -- it gets to know you. the whole thing becomes natural. compared to what we take for granted today. world, to even know you can do something with an app, someone told you about it, you had to download it and sign up for it.

you had to learn that particular user experience. there are all of these things. there is a future where you will essentially talk to the devices in your life and ask for it to do something. that helps discover new capabilities. charlie: how much will be mobile? practically speaking, a large percentage of people would use their mobile phone. you will also talk to your house through things like alexa. you will see lightbulbs. charlie: the first thing i do likei get up -- it must be no one or everyone, the first thing i do is say, alexa, what is the temperature in new york city today? dag: why do you do that? charlie: i do it because i want to know instantly. their genius was alexa's voice was pleasant. dag: it is a fabulous piece of technology. they spent a lot of time building what they call far

field microphone so you can speak and they can understand from across the room. you can talk on top of music. it can hear you on top of music. again, like you said, the text to speech, it feels like a human almost. those little details getting close to human -- charlie: if i get up and say i would like to hear this music, it is there. all of that. i believe, i know nothing about marketing and these kinds of things, but the success of echoe, by amazon. we make life much better for everybody else. it shows the possibilities. say, i want too give people what they don't even know what they want -- even know they want. now, because of echo they know what they went. i don't know of anyone who has experienced this that does not

say is addition they appreciate. that is the role of the future. dag: you are scratching the surface of what the future will look like. they have come up with a great piece of technology, but imagine what that can do thousands of times more things without having to think about it. that follows you. when you leave the house, that is in your car. everywhere you go, it is in your pocket. this is the world that we are seeing. think everyone is starting -- charlie: this is elizabeth in the washington post, over the next five years that transition will turn my phones and perhaps smart homes into virtual assistance with supercharged conversational capabilities. powered by artificial intelligence and unprecedented volumes of data. they could become a portal through which billions of people connect to every service and every business on the internet. this is the way we will connect

to everything else on the internet. dag: the rise of the assistance changes several fundamental things. it changes how you interact with the digital world in general. user behavior. of course, the byproduct of that is going to be how it changes how revenue flows on the internet. we will move from what i call this discovery economy, which is let me give examples -- travel deals. the biggest customers of the search engines are travel companies because people still go to search engines first for deals. when they can talk to an assistant, some of the largest travel companies will have a travel agent that we can enable for them. you will say, find me a place to take my three kids in the last week of march in the caribbean. you will start a conversation and it will no your kids ages.

it will know the last five trips you took. it will no roughly what your budget is. charlie: this is because the increasing capacity of data mining. dag: and personalization and how you apply that to getting to know you. the ability to do more. it becomes this entity and partner in your life. a digital sidekick. important,th this so isn't it hard for you to resist the billions of dollars they will throw at you because the five big companies, amazon, apple, google, facebook, microsoft, they are all looking for an advantage. they have the money to afford one. earlier, ouraid goal is ubiquity. we are not going to figure out exactly what road will take us there. we feel it was a good decision to go with apple with siri because apple brought this entire paradigm. they had a smartphone.

they are incredible marketers. they did it in a compelling way. don't know exactly how this is going to pan out yet, charlie, but we are going to go for it and finish the job that we started. charlie: beyond this. broadening out to a larger canvas, where is artificial intelligence going to take us? dag: that is a broad question. think we can start to comprehend all of the different applications that will come out of this. more andstart to see more applications like the applications -- we saw things like the deep mind. against -- alpha go. charlie: in my right? dag: that was supposed to be 10 years from now when a computer

figured out how to -- charlie: that complex. dag: you cannot compute out all of the possibilities. it was a combination of classical techniques. that was a surprise. it was a surprise that that happened so soon. charlie: why did it happen so soon? dag: you have some very smart people at deep mind that have applied these new techniques to this problem that and the compensation power that brings along with it. let's not get too out of control. i don't think that ai is going -- we are doomed. that's a whole other subject. we will teach machines to be smarter than we are, and therefore that will put us at risk. dag: broadly though, what you can see today are things like, , in a are in a flight

relatively new model of plain, if both pilots dropped dead in their seats, most of those planes will literally fly themselves to the destination and safely land on their own, with no help. charlie: now or soon? dag: now. charlie: because of artificial intelligence. yes, they have figured out how to fly a plane on its own, land, the only thing they don't do is put reverse thrusters and. they have not -- thrusters in. they have not figured out how to do that safely. charlie: how to the land? dag: land on longer runways and things like that. self driving cars -- that will be one of the biggest disruptive forces. charlie: larry talked about using $100 million on a car that could fly. larry page. dag: i love the idea. i love flying. charlie: does anyone identify with that besides larry? current thinghe

is trans. -- drones. delivering these things is the closest thing to flying everything. i think that will create serious disruption. you might be getting your pizza from a drone. charlie: they will just leave the pizza place and -- if it falls on your head, that's a bad day. if a car does, that's a different issue. charlie: what are the impediments to the forward propulsion? in viv's case, we have to build a market. we are competing with people that have billions of users. probably they do not have as much of a platform. that is our particular challenge. getting the critical mass.

charlie: you have a platform with not many users, they have users, but not the platform. dag: in most cases, yes. that is where we are today. in general i think people will get more and more -- charlie: what about mergers? dag: who knows. i think people will get more comfortable talking to their phones. i have seen some conflicting studies about that. the millennials are getting more comfortable. charlie: here is what we are not talking about, but i am doing pieces about this for 60 minutes. you will have people walking and talking to a machine about their health. the machine will know so much and be able to refer to so many different kinds of cases and analyze them, and be back to you that it will blow your mind. someone with that kind of medical information. they can tell you a range of things going on because of its capacity to commute -- compute.

because of all the data mining that it can do. dag: you want that, don't you? charlie: yeah. of technology enabling you to live a more efficient life so that you can combine that with time freed to do a range of other things. whatever it is. dag: that is the large-scale impact of success. we have been talking about sufficiency and delegating the things you do not want to have to do manually. it is freeing up time to do the things you want to do. i think that is ultimately where we are going. charlie: when do you launch? dag: early next year will be the first showcase. then we will bring developers then to go to town and build things we cannot even imagine today. depending only

being open to developers to show all of the possibilities. one person up after the other -- one person after the other seeing how they can combine. dag: since some of the articles about what we are doing are coming out and showing the demo, so much more inbound interest then we could ever possibly handle that we really want to get it ready and open so people can do this in a self-service way and really start building. there is an incredible, every , travel company, e-commerce, consumer electronic companies, they see this is the future and they want to be a part of it. ♪

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