♪ announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: welcome to the program. we begin this evening with the president of the united states in orlando. president obama: i am pleased to hear the senate will hold both on preventingotes individuals with possible terrorist ties from dying guns, including assault weapons. i truly hope that senators rise to the moment, and do the right thing. i hope that senators who voted no on background checks after newton have a change of heart. i hope the house does the right thing and help to end the plague of violence that these weapons

of war inflict on so many young lives. i have said this before, we will not be able to stop every tragedy. we cannot wipe away hatred and evil from every heart in this world. but we can stop some tragedies. we can save some lives. we can reduce the impact of a terrorist attack if we are smart. if we do not act, we will keep seeing more massacres like this. because we will be choosing to allow them to happen. we will have said, we do not care enough to do something about it.

here in orlando, we are reminded not only of our obligations as a country, to be resolute against terrorism, we are reminded not only of the need for us to implement smarter policies, to prevent mass shootings. we are also reminded of what unites us as americans. and what unites us is far stronger than the hate and target us.tose who for so many people here, lesbian, gay, bisexual,

transgender, the pulse nightclub has always been a safe haven. a place to sing and dance, and most importantly to be who you truly are. including for so many people's's whosemany people fromies are originally puerto rico. sunday morning that thanks where he was violated. whatever influences let the killer down the path of violence and terror, whatever propaganda he was consuming from isil and i -- and al qaeda, it was a act of terrorism and an active hate. it was an attack on the lgbt community. americans were targeted because we are a country that has learned to welcome everyone. no matter who you are or who you love. and hatred towards people because of sexual orientation, regardless of where it comes from, it is a betrayal of what is best in us.

joe and i were talking on the way over here, you cannot break up the world into us and them, and denigrate, and express hatred towards groups because of the color of their skin, or their faith, or their sexual orientation and not feed something very dangerous in this world. so, if there was ever a moment for all of us to reflect and reaffirm our most basic beliefs, that everybody counts and everyone has dignity, now is the time.

it is a good time for all of us to reflect on how we treat each other. and to insist on respect and equality for every human being. we have to end discrimination and violence against our brothers and sisters who are in the lgbt community. here at home, and around the world, especially in countries were they are routinely prosecuted. we have to challenge the oppression of women, wherever it occurs -- here or overseas. there is only us, americans. here in orlando, the men and women taken from us, those who loved them, we see some of the true character of this country, the best of humanity coming roaring back with love, compassion, and the fears resolved that will carry us

not just through this atrocity, but through whatever difficult times may confront us. it is our pluralism and respect for each other, including name man whoding the young said he was super-proud to be latino. the love of the country, the patriotism of an army reservist who is known as an amazing officer. it is our unity, the outpouring of love to so many across the country that have shown that to our fellow americans that are lgbt. the display of solidarity that might have been unimaginable even a few years ago. out of this darkest of moments, that gives us hope. seeing people reflect. seeing people's best instincts come out. maybe in some cases minds and hearts changing. it is our strength and our

resilience. the same determination from a man who died here who traveled the world, mindful of the risk as a gay man, but who spoke for all of us when he said, we cannot be afraid. we are not going to be afraid. may we all find that same strength in our own lives. may we find that same wisdom and how we treat one another. may god bless all whwe lost here in orlando. may he comfort their families. may he heal the wounded. may he bring some solace to those whose hearts have been broken. may he give us resolve to do

what is necessary to reduce the hatred of this world, to curb the violence. may he watch over this country that we call home. thank you very much, everybody. ♪

♪ charlie: he is co-chief executive officer and vice chairman of kissinger associates. he began his career as a journalist, his new book is called "the seventh sense, power, fortune, and survival in the age of networks." it explores the ways our rapidly connected world exports the future. welcome. let me ask, why did you leave journalism? what's wrong with you? [chuckling] i love being a journalist, i loved working for walter isaacson. i had the kind of personality i wanted to go deep.

i have a little bit of maybe an academic streak in my personality. as i looked around the world and saw what was going on, i said it would be fascinating to know more about china. i moved there. i moved there. i would never haven't is a paid i would fall in love with the country. i never would have anticipated i would've fallen in love with the country. i was very opportunistic. i was the tech editor of "time." i had seen what happens when you have a giant force that emerges and changes the rules of the game. charlie: as it did in technology. joshua: i looked covering that. -- i loved covering that. i looked around the world and said, what other stories are like this? in 2000-2001, it seemed like china. it has done that. charlie: you'd went over there to do what? joshua: i do i wanted to leave journalism and get into the commercial world. i also needed to learn the language. i took a year sabbatical. i didn't know what i would do at the end. i was lucky enough to get it -- an advisory job working for john

thorton. the iconic westerner offered me a partnership in his firm. that was not anything i would say no to. since then it has been an incredible education. charlie: how much time is spent there? joshua: it is down to 40% of the time. i still have that feeling. i never feel like i do not want to get on the plane to china. it is the most interesting place in the world. charlie: it has not changed? joshua: it is more interesting as a story now. a gets more complex and interesting. before i moved to china, someone gave me advice -- they said as important as being bilingual is beingortant as

bicultural. that is true. every time i go back there, you feel you are reentering this incredible puzzle that is fascinating. the emergence of a new superpower is kind of a once every 200 or 300 years phenomenon. it is not clear how this will work out. the chance to sort of observed that from zero distance range is really very special. charlie: it is an interesting point. it is going to be disruptive, but we do not know what the ramifications are. joshua: i think we do not have an intellectual model. it is one thing to say, people compare it to the emergence of germany and britain a few years britain a few hundred years ago. the industrial world rules of power are different. we cannot compare it. there are things we can learn, but the background in which this is happening is not an environment where nothing is changing. possibly part of the largest revolution since the industrial revolution. it has another level of complexity. charlie: one of the interesting

things -- and you talked about the cultural differences, your closeness to kissinger, he is always -- in conversation with me, understanding cultural place. political leaders come from that. joshua: i have never found someone a more acute student of psychology than henry. that was one of the things when i started working there that was most surprising. the amount of time we spend trying to understand, what is the landscape? on what is spends the historical and intellectual and cultural landscape in which someone operates? it is important and his diplomatic perspective. the stakes are high. it totally changes the way you look at a problem. you do not look at a commercial problem, because ours is commercial as the problem itself. you understand the concept. it turns out that happen to be a key to success for any likely to succeed commercial project in china -- it is better informed it has that background. charlie: what is your product? joshua: helping people navigate in china complex commercial transactions. it is, as you probably know -- charlie: to understand dynamics.

joshua: and to figure out and because it is a dynamic, rapidly changing environment. to find long-term sustainable that benefits everyone, it takes understanding of partners and environment. it takes understanding of tactical issues. it is part of the process of the chinese evolution. i do not think there is any more interesting way to kind of take the pulse of the country than doing deals there and having watched a decade and a half of the evolution of what a transaction in china looks like today, as opposed to 15 years ago. charlie: more open today? joshua: yes. in certain areas. you are seeing the emergence of chinese firms and executives who are much more capable of operators of businesses when i moved there 15 years ago. the general maturity of the system is growing. having said that, it is in the

midst of the most complicated economic reform program in human history. having lifted 400 million people out of poverty, they have this problem of how do you get more people into the middle class? charlie: they bring demands which drives the economy. joshua: one of the interesting things about china, the minute or get out of beijing particular, you see what is going on in other parts of the country. you watch the seeds of reform trying to come out of the ground and grow. you really get a sense of both the potential, but also the incredible challenges. charlie: tell me about the seventh sense. the subtitle, power, fortune, and their survival in the age of networks. we have gone through the industrial, informational revolution, therefore it has created new shaping institutions, alliances, and

relationships which have more impact some people argue than any other sort of element. joshua: i wanted to try to understand -- the question i was interested in is what is the scale of what we are going through? coming from the world of journalism where we have seen the incredible upheaval in that space because of technology. you look at so many different worlds and see them being changed by connectivity. i wanted to understand what was going on inside the systems. why was it that some people have the ability to see the dynamics? connected system and a network of any kind is any set of connected points. it could be people, voters, citizens of new york, businesses that operate in bitcoin. we live in a world where you're seeing an explosion of these linked meshes. charlie: the mutuality of interest? joshua: the idea is you have many systems operating together. they often create surprising results. sat here a year ago and

said who is most likely to be the republican nominee. you would've thought the guy with two presidents in the family, for decades of political experience. charlie: jeb bush. joshua: as opposed to the reality tv background guide. backgroundity tv twitter 5 million followers. charlie: if you want to explain, you would argue from that -- if you want to explain donald trump's success in the primaries, york slain his -- you explain his reliance on twitter because he created his own network. joshua: not only that.

we know that networks crave certain things. we are constantly checking e-mail or facebook. if we think about financial markets, they move instantly. charlie: and what is trending today. there is a growing gap between secretary clinton and donald trump. mean just the't internet. one of the things these networks want is constant updates. trump's ability to be in the headlines always is a property of a network. charlie weis it is interesting now because the polls in the last few days as we taped this on wednesday afternoon, it is there is a growing gap between secretary clinton and donald trump. joshua: it will make the election interesting. you start to see networks opposed to the trump network. it is a battle of networks.

one of the things people say about networks, it takes one to defeat another network. one way to understand this election, almost anything these days is that of the various networks and how are they interacting? that is part of the idea of the book. charlie: i assume it is also about members. you could argue part of that network, one the ascending democratics. latinos, women, young. she owns more than he does. joshua: you can watch, when the remarks about the judge came out, you could eat as other network running -- forming and -- you could see this other network forming and creating opposition. charlie: we mentioned earlier, i was at the china developer forum, and you were as well. all we wanted to know, american politics. specifically donald trump. they created a session for me to -- for me to do, just to talk about donald trump. it is amazing. joshua: the first question is why does american politics matter so much? it turns out this is another network property. that is one of the things that happens in networks. there are certain systems that become essential for the operation of the network. they often have a lot of concentrated power. if you look around the world there are eight different connected systems with more than one billion users, facebook, youtube. they have a unusual property, the more successful they get, the more of a monopoly that

they become in a sense. there is no second-place to facebook or youtube. it turns out everyone thinks networks distribute power to everyone. at the same time, it creates incredible concentration. all of those platforms are american. if you begin to analyze the world in network terms, not just internet platforms, currency trade, all of these things, the u.s. turns out to be essential for everywhere in the world. not an industrial terms because it is the central network node. what the chinese understand is that importance of how the united states operates. i think there are a few reasons they are fascinated. one of them is this one, they

know that so much of the international system depends upon the healthy functioning of the centralized system. the second, like everyone, they are trying to understand what is happening with u.s. politics. charlie: it influences them. joshua: the deeper question -- which is in the book, what is the future of big and i've states in the international system? what is the future of the united states in the international system? will it continue to be a superpower with a dominant position. are we entering a time where there is a theory and international relations where every 100 years power is handed off. so the dutch handed to the spanish. the spanish to the french. charlie: the rising power -- joshua: that is an accurate discussion of the last 500 years. the u.s. took over from the british. so a lot of people now wonder, who takes over for the united states? is that china? if you look at all of human history, particularly a chinese perspective, you find countries and the systems that dominate for hundreds of years. a core question of the chinese philosophy is, where is the united states on that scale?

is this a declining power? -- which is the rising power against the establishment. charlie: the interesting thing about this is in the last week as a commercial transaction, microsoft bought linkedin for $26.2 billion. what does linkedin have? it has 320 million people who are part of the network. that network. the network linkedin. these are people in business and enterprises. it is not like facebook, which is every teenager and everybody else. joshua: it also has data. that come in the future turns out to be valuable. what is the next of these billion user platforms. we know that the more people that use facebook, the better it gets. we will see that happen in the world of artificial intelligence as well. that is probably the next great that form. so linkedin, in that world, suddenly becomes a wonderful

data mine for how people interact. where they are going, what they think. charlie: you also say anytime you want anything into the network, you forever alter its nature. joshua: you are what you are connected to. the main example for all of us now, we see this now with this horrible domestic activated terrorism in orlando is that the minute you connect to the world, you have no idea you are connecting to. and so it brings a risk factor at the same time it brings opportunity. and you've just got to accept that as a feature. charlie: and you have no idea. i was struck by the language of the gunmen in orlando. by,an, he had been inspired he had been influenced by, he was, they use the term of he was connected to i so. : yes, connected. in that is the ability to

remotely -- my last book i began when spending time with the chief technology officer at hezbollah. that from alabout qaeda to isis, your mapping the technological elements. charlie: we know this because of what has happened in san bernardino represented one of the questions, but also paris, they're using apps that are encrypted, providing a huge new problem for law enforcement. joshua: right. into just changes all of the technology. we are going to of issues with drones and all of these things. you thinkd that, if about the long-term position of the united states, the greatest threat is not terrorism. it will not wipe out the united states. it is psychological warfare. the only existential threat that faces the united states today is

the emergence of these networks. charlie: and technological superiority. any guarantee we can do that? joshua: it depends on the quality -- charlie: the u.s. has 18 of the best educational institutions. joshua: educational institutions. i think also the values of a society that encourage innovation, it is not an accident those platforms are all american. if you asked -- if you had to have a picture of the international system in your head in 15 or 20 years, we know it will be different because the one thing we know is today the legitimacy of every institution is collapsing. whether it is the congress or -- and it is not a bad picture, it is a set of these interconnected communities. and they run on certain values. they will all have this property

that he more people that use them, the better it is. charlie: i interviewed president obama not long ago. i am asking this question, do you believe the u.s. has the best military and technology, the biggest economy down the line. what could go wrong. and he said, our politics could go wrong. we have to fix our politics. politics are frozen. even notwithstanding networks and everything else, there is the limit on the capacity to apply all of the networks. joshua: a great line of henry kissinger's. the acid test of any foreign policy is the ability to withstand a mystic politics. -- withstand domestic politics. the networks are doing to politics in economics things that are not helping. we have to learn to design them in a better way. charlie: congratulations. "the seventh sense" is the book. he was the author of the another book, in international bestseller titled "the age of the unthinkable." thank you. joshua: thank you. charlie: back in a moment, stay with us. ♪

♪ charlie: he is ceo and cofounder of the new generation virtual assistant powered by artificial intelligence. the goal is to open ai to the world. "enable everyone to talk to

everything." writing for the medium, john said, what it is trying to create is a platform shift on the scale of google search or apple's app store. a new way to interact with the internet itself. he previously cofounded siri, purchased by apple in 2010. i am pleased to have them at this table for the first time. welcome. ai assistants. layout the landscape. >> so, actually the vision for this type of paradigm has been inspired by hollywood. since the days of hal 9000. only nicer this time. apple came out with an inspiration for everyone in this business, which was a kind of scenario that they visualized that talked about, had the person come into a room and was

essentially the virtual assistant we are all shooting to build today. now we have, we launched this independently in 2010. soon after, apple acquired us and really brought this to the world. ever since then, every one of the top tech companies is spending billions for this race. charlie: what does that mean? dag: it means that when you can talk to something, a computer or device, it knows you. it is a natural interaction. it is a simpler way to do things. because of that, more and more devices and services want to be a part of being that simple to use. that sort of becomes a paradigm in and of itself. talking to things becomes the future way to interact with almost any kind of device and any kind of service. it is simpler.

charlie: five years from now we will be doing what? dag: everyone starts and thinks about the phone, because of siri, but you will be talking to your card. there is wasted commute time sitting in traffic in the u.s.. why not christmas shop when you are there. tell it what to do, what to put on the card. ordering food that will be ready, 10 minutes behind you when you get home. that would be an in-car scenario for what the systems might do. charlie: you said the goal for viv is ubiquity. dag: yes. we want to enable all of the device makers. we have had people like toy companies come to us and say, i want a teddy bear that helps us teach our children how to do math. it is a cool idea, i just don't know how to do the talking part. this is a scarce resource that we want to unleash and let

anyone who wants to apply it to any kind of device do that. and building marketplace of services. developers can come in and plug-in essentially to viv and it becomes thousands of times more powerful. charlie: did you develop siri outside of apple and it was purchased by them? dag: correct. the technology for it was originally stanford research. we spun that out in 2008. we started a company startup and works down and perfected that to the first real consumer products we launched in 2010. about three weeks later i was going out to lunch. my business guy came in and said, scott from apple would like to talk to you.

i said, great. my phone rang. i saw it was from cupertino. if you have an iphone, of course you know how you have to swipe it. they kept bouncing back. it would not answer. it was on the seventh swipe, i picked it up, it was a gentleman that said, hey, this is steve jobs. charlie: what did he say? dag: in a nutshell he said we love what you are doing, can you come over to my house tomorrow. would love to talk to about it. charlie: what did you do? dag: i grabbed my two founders and we went and spent three hours with steve talking about the future. he made the case how iphone would win the smartphone wars and how we could work together to change the way people interact. charlie: when did they want to buy it? dag: we have some back-and-forth negotiations, but a few months later we decided to move forward. charlie: what role do you think it has played in the iphone?

dag: i think it was a crucial dag: i think it was a crucial part of the 4s launch. it was introducing a new way that only apple knows how to do properly. it was interesting to watch our baby is taken on an international stage. charlie: why did you leave to start another company? dag: i left for other reasons and eventually came around to talk to other entrepreneurs couple of years later. we were brainstorming what was going on and we alternately -- ultimately decided that siri and all of the other assistants are really just chapter one of a bigger, more important story. we started thinking about, what do we need to do to really scale this up. how do we make this ubiquitous? what are the key aspects? compared to what is out there today? charlie: what technology do we need? what are other things we need? dag: we start with what is missing.

-- it is an allergist to -- to --t is analogous charlie: what ability? dag: what market function would have to get involved in what technology would enable it? what i liken it to you is the launch of the iphone in 2007, where they launched with only apple apps. there were eight. they opened up theapp store, and that change the world. unleashing third parties. that is sort of where the artificial intelligences. if you look at all the players out there, they do a few dozen things, and they are similar. what we want to do is take that and make it -- five apps occupy a majority of the business? dag: facebook and if you others, -- into a few others, and messaging.

there are a few that dominate the attention and downloads and time. charlie: is this the next paradigm? dag: we believe so. apparently, every one of the other top tech companies believe so. i think everyone sees with this is headed. it is sort of a world that starts to move beyond the app itself. if you think about this internet of things that you are hearing hearing about, talking to devices in a natural way. to will not be downloading your refrigerator or your mirror in the bathroom. you need something in the cloud. charlie: on a scale of 0-100, where are we invoice for -- in -- where are we invoice recognition? -- where are we in voice recognition? dag: so, are you familiar with merrymakers? charlie: sure.

dag: she is great. she says we are between 90%-90 5% in voice recognition accuracy -- 95% in voice recognition accuracy. as we approach 99% quality, it becomes a more mass-market phenomenon. so, that is one of the keys. you have to get past a certain threshold of quality. into then suddenly it becomes the natural thing to do. charlie: we have done that? dag: we are not there yet. we're getting close enough, where most people if they speak relatively clearly, it works well for. that is evidenced by the fact that siri gets 100 billion queries a year. 22 billion queries -- they just announced -- charlie: what will viv do that siri can't? dag: it will allow any third party to build something new to it. the difference is, today, most of these folks decide what their roadmap will be. some product manager will layout the roadmap.

and they will build it. but now we're talking about artificial intelligence in a wikipedia model. anyone can decide that they want to build something be at a large company, a bank could create a new way to interact with customers. any individual could plug-in johnny's soccer schedule and onch of field is the game on saturday. so, the difference is this is built from the ground up to be able to handle the world of to teach.developers a cambrian explosion of capability. charlie: i saw you do a demonstration at cbs this morning which will be on tomorrow. basically you are able to say, viv show me the flights leaving in the next half hour for san francisco. and the thing about it was it was instant.

so far you can do what with viv? dag: we have a set of showcase domains. things like travel, hotels, flights, car rentals, things associated with travel. like, where should i go? decision-making things. ride like uber. events. what should i do this weekend? get me tickets through ticketmaster. we are great partners and by me flowers. what we call conversational commerce. we find out that typing or speaking is in itself seven times faster than typing. so that makes it more efficient. when you can streamline the whole process. just a few words and you get something done. believe me, you do not go back to the old way once you have tried it. you want to get a hotel room, you say, get me a room at this place friday night. and it is done. charlie: and these are the specifics of what i like. in the front, on the waterfront. dag: you are hitting on -- once you have shown some pattern towards preference on one of

those it will start to learn. or it will ask you, or you can tell it. ofjust starts taking care business. charlie: is the technology for echoes, which is amazon, whatever google is doing, whatever apple will do with siri, is the technology the same? dag: no. it is definitely not all the same. charlie: the underlying technology is not the same. what will determine who wins it and loses in the and game? dag: in part. i think you have -- different companies have different strengths. speech recognition, some people are really good. google is the best in the world. and nuance is right there and microsoft is getting better. apple is getting there. charlie: why did you call it viv? dag: it actually means life. it will breathe life into the intimate objects and devices in your life through conversation. charlie: your choice?

dag: yes, chose it as a founding group. charlie: you said it is about taking the way that an human beings have naturally interacted with each other for thousands of years and applying it how the interactive services. that is the key. you took the way we talk to each other and said, that will be the model for how we talked. dag: you do not need a direction on how to use it. it comes naturally. so you move to a place when , there is enough scale here where it is almost as if you are talking directly to the internet. and it is doing things on your , behalf. it gets to know you. the whole thing becomes this natural flow. compare it to what we take for granted today. in an app world, to even know you can do something with an app, someone told you about it, you had to download it and sign up for it. into then you had to learn that

particular user experience. so there are all of these things. in the future, you will just essentially taught to devices in your life and it will be done. it will help you do it. it will help you discover new capabilities. charlie: how much will be mobile? dag: practically speaking, a large percentage of people would use their mobile phone. you will also talk to your house through things like alexa. i think you will see light bulbs -- charlie: the first thing i do when i get up -- it must be like no one or everyone, the first thing i do is say, alexa, what is the temperature in new york city today? dag: why do you do that? charlie: i do it because i want to know instantly. their genius was alexa's voice is pleasant. dag: it is a fabulous piece of technology. they spent a lot of time building what they call far field microphone so you can

speak and they can understand from across the room. you can talk actually a the top of music. it can hear you on top of music that is playing. again, like you said, the text to speech, it feels like a human almost. those little details getting close to human -- charlie: it is everything. if i get up and say i would like to hear this music, it is there. all of that. i believe, i know nothing about marketing and these kinds of things, but the success of echoe, by amazon. will simply make life much better for everybody else because it shows the possibilities. as steve used to say, i want to give people what they don't even know what they want -- even know they want. now, because of echo they know what they went. i don't know of anyone who has experienced this that does not

say it is an addition to my life that i appreciate. it is the rollout of the future. dag: you are scratching the surface of what the future will look like. they have come up with a great piece of technology, but imagine what that can do thousands of times more things without having to think about it. that follows you. when you leave the house, that is in your car. everywhere you go, it is in your pocket. this is the world that we are seeing. i think everyone is starting -- charlie: this is elizabeth in the washington post, over the next five years that transition will turn smart phones and virtualsmart homes into assistants with supercharged --versational capable capabilities. powered by artificial intelligence and unprecedented volumes of data. they could become a portal through which billions of people connect to every service and every business on the internet.

this is the way we will connect to everything else on the internet. dag: the rise of the assistance changes several fundamental things. it changes how you interact with the digital world in general. so, user behavior. and of course, the byproduct of , that is going to be how it changes how revenue flows on the internet. so, you know, we are going to move from what i call this discovery economy. let me give you some examples. travel deals. so, the biggest customers of the search engines are travel companies because people still go to search engines first four deals. so, when they can talk to an assistant some of the largest , travel companies will have a travel agent that we can enable for them. you will say, find me a place to take my three kids in the last week of march in the caribbean. you will start a conversation and it will know your kids's

ages. it will know the last five trips you took. it will know roughly what you're budget is. charlie: this is because the increasing capacity of data mining. dag: and personalization and how you apply that to getting to know you. the ability to do more. it becomes this entity and partner in your life. this digital sidekick. charlie: with this so important, isn't it hard for you to resist the billions of dollars they will throw at you because the five big companies, amazon, apple, google, facebook, microsoft, they are all looking for an advantage. they have the money to afford to pay for in advantage. dag: as you said earlier, our goal is ubiquity. we are not going to figure out exactly what road will take us there. i mean we feel it was a good , decision to go with apple with siri because apple brought this entire paradigm. they had a smartphone. they are incredible marketers.

they did it in a compelling way. so, you know, i don't know exactly how this is going to pan out yet, charlie, but we are going to go for it and finish the job that we started. charlie: beyond this. broadening out to a larger canvas, where is artificial intelligence going to take us? dag: that is a broad question. well, i don't think we can start to comprehend all of the different applications that will come out of this. but you are going to start to see more and more applications like the applications -- we saw things like the deep mind. that was against -- alpha go. charlie: mi right about that? dag: that was supposed to be 10

years from now when a computer figured out how to -- charlie: that complex. dag: you cannot compute out all of the possibilities. it was a combination of deep learning and some other classical ai techniques. surprise.as a it was a surprise that happened so soon. charlie: why did it happen so soon? dag: you have some very smart people at deep mind that have applied these new techniques to this problem that and the computation power that brings along with it. let's not get too out of control. i don't think that ai is going -- that to we are doomed. willie: that sometimes we teach machines to be smarter than we are and therefore that will put us at risk. dag: broadly though, what you can see today are things like, if you are in a flight, in a

relatively new model plane, if both pilots dropped dead in their seats, most of those planes will literally fly themselves to the destination and safely land on their own, with no help. charlie: now or soon? dag: now. charlie: because of artificial intelligence. dag: yes, they have figured out how to fly a plane on its own, to its destination, land, the only thing these do not do is put reverse busters -- thrusters in. they have not figured out how to do that safely. charlie: how to the land? dag: land on longer runways and things like that. self driving cars -- that will be one of the biggest disruptive forces. charlie: i read about larry who will not talk about this but he has been using $100 million on a car that could fly. larry page. dag: i love the idea. i love flying.

charlie: does anyone identify with that besides larry? dag: i think the current is drones. delivering these things is the closest thing to flying everything. i think that will create serious disruption. you might be getting your pizza from a drone. charlie: they will just leave the pizza place and -- dag: the pizza if it falls on your head, that's a bad day. if a car does, that's a different issue. charlie: what are the impediments to the forward propulsion? dag: in viv's case, we have to build a market. we have to build networks. we are competing with people that have billions of users. probably you could argue, we do not have as much of a platform. that is our particular

challenge. getting the critical mass. charlie: you have a platform with not many users, they have users, but not the platform. dag: in most cases, yes. that is what i think. that is where we are today. in general i think people will get more and more -- charlie: what about mergers? dag: who knows. i think people will get more comfortable talking to their phones. so actually, i have seen some conflicting studies about that. but the millennials are getting more comfortable. charlie: here is what we are not talking about, but i am doing pieces about this for 60 minutes. you will have people walking and talking to a machine about their health. the machine will know so much and be able to refer to so many different kinds of cases and analyze them, and be back to you that it will blow your mind. someone with that kind of medical information. they can tell you a range of things going on because of its capacity to compute.

and because of all the data mining it can do. dag: you want that, don't you? charlie: yeah. i will use anything. i mean, the idea of technology enabling you to live a more efficient life so that you can combine that with time freed to do a range of other things. whatever it is. dag: that is the large-scale impact of success. we have been talking about all day is efficiency and delegating the things you do not want to have to do manually. it is freeing up time to do the things you want to do. i think that is ultimately where we are going. charlie: when do you launch? dag: early next year will be the first showcase. then we will bring developers in to go to town and build things we cannot even imagine today. charlie: really depending on being open to developers to show all of the possibilities. one person up after the other --

after the other seeing how they can combine. dag: since some of the articles about what we are doing are coming out and showing the demo, so much more inbound interest than we could ever possibly handle that we really want to get it ready and open so people can do this in a self-service way and really start building. there is an incredible, every car company, travel company, e-commerce, consumer electronic companies, they see this is the future and they want to be a part of it. ♪

david: welcome to "bloomberg businessweek." i'm david gura. lisa: i am lisa abramowicz. in for carol massar. the hunt for genes to fight disease. david: all that is ahead on "bloomberg businessweek." ♪ david: here with ellen pollock, editor-in-chief of "bloomberg businessweek." let's start in the global economic section. you have a nice graphic showing how folks in the uk and outside feel about the oncoming referendum. it seems like e